Hackspace clean up - Junk clearance

[Charles Yarnold]

Hello all,

So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of longer serving members should know better by now.

So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to fix what I see as broken with the space.

First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with no details:

The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have now added extra signs around the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2 weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday the 23rd I will be removing all DNH items from the space that have no contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even have a non completed DNH sticker.

No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.

My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be easy to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.

I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is something I will have to live with I guess.

Sol

p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make things can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone else to improve the space and our community.

[Adrian Godwin]

++

-artag

[Sam Kelly]

++.

I strongly suspect there's at least one DNH'd project with my name on
it, that got buried and timed out and suffered from a severe case of
MBCS (Maker Being Crap Syndrome). If I don't manage to excavate it &
render it down for parts myself soon (will try, but usual excuses
apply) then please hide the evidence.

Sam

--
Sam Kelly, http://www.eithin.co.uk/

That's it.  We're not messing around anymore, we're buying a bigger
dictionary.  -  Tibor Fischer, The Thought Gang.

[Naomi Lehane]

"Part of the issue of integration of new members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do".

As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly showed me around, I acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit, but it was a bit off putting, although once past that initial awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.

It is a brilliant space, don't get me wrong, and one I will use, but as I said can be intimidating, also can take time to figure out, for example on the wiki you have a sewing machine, but I can't seem to find and I am not sure where I would use it in the space anyway, the person I spoke to suggested I spoke to Claire, what would be the best way of contacting her?, on list I'm not sure, just an example.



Cheers

Naomi

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Adrian Godwin <artg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Michael Stevens]

+1

(I'm trying to be nice as a new member, but personally I'm afraid to
touch anything for fear of pissing someone off)

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:09:41PM +0100, Charles Yarnold wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
> longer serving members should know better by now.
>
> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit the
> space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to fix
> what I see as broken with the space.
>
> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with no
> details:
>
> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have
> nowadded extra signs

> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around

> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday

> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no

[Charles Yarnold]

On 12 June 2012 22:45, Naomi Lehane <naom...@gmail.com> wrote:

"Part of the issue of integration of new members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do".

As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly showed me around, I acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit, but it was a bit off putting, although once past that initial awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.

Hi Naomi. I'm sorry you had that experience. But I think that this happens way to often at the moment. It seems that most peoples reaction to the doorbell these days is to unlock it and open the door, then return to their work. Can I ask if it was a Tuesday open evening you came to? With a community that went from <50 to >450 so quickly, and partly to our liberal open door policy for non members, its quite hard to know if someone ringing the bell is new, a non member or a member that has forgotten their card. Personally I make the point of saying Hi when answering the door and finding this out, but I don't think this is how most people do it. Its another thing on my list, but I'm not the natural person to take the lead on this, but will if no one steps up with a plan (not to say things haven't been started, or that no one works toward fixing this)

It is a brilliant space, don't get me wrong, and one I will use, but as I said can be intimidating, also can take time to figure out, for example on the wiki you have a sewing machine, but I can't seem to find and I am not sure where I would use it in the space anyway, the person I spoke to suggested I spoke to Claire, what would be the best way of contacting her?, on list I'm not sure, just an example.

I think the next big sign to make in the space is 

"Got a question? 1) Ask people in the space 2) Search the wiki 3) ask IRC 4) email the mailing list"

Hopefully this will help newcomers that want to know more find what they are looking for. But to answer your question specifically, Clare is my other half and she is on the mailing list, it would be best to start a new topic with your questions and I'm sure she will reply.

And lastly "WELCOME!" I hope you have fun at the space and make some awesome things, I'm one of the trustees of the space, normally found in a labcoat named "solexious" and wearing a large bushy beard (for the male geek striotype ;)

Charles

[tom]

i'm all up for revisiting the idea of "members only unless its a tuesday" again, at least that way its a designated time where we can show people around and guarantee we'll get nothing done :)

[Earthshine]

On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:45:56 PM UTC+1, naomijlea wrote:

As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly showed me around, I acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit, but it was a bit off putting, although once past that initial awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.

This was actually said to me on Saturday at the Helicopter Picnic. Two people independently told me in the pub afterwards that they had gone to the space, on a Tuesday social night, but felt intimidated as nobody greeted them, nobody tried to talk to them and most people had earphones on whilst staring at a laptop. Nobody offered to show them around and they were wondering what part of the night was the social bit. They hung around for an hour or so but left after this as they felt like a gooseberry. They said they did not feel like they wanted to come back after this and havent been back since.

Read into this what you will.

[Clare Greenhalgh]

Hi Naomi,

I'm Clare, and please do email me any questions you have.

It will be great to meet up and chat (I am really busy with work at the moment, so sorry!) but if you see me there I have cat's eye glasses and red/black hair.

Do email and I will happily advise here too,

Have fun at the space, we are just trying to make it a better place to be,

Clare 

aka

Noko

On 12 June 2012 22:45, Naomi Lehane <naom...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

Does this cover the items being stored in the "junk" room by the
laser-cutter? Some of the parts for the Vacuum Station have been very
hard to find, and I wouldn't want to see them chucked out. Especially
since we're very close to having all the required bits.
I would offer to store them at my home instead, but there's no ready
space here.
I'd hope there is some special exception for ongoing projects for the
benefit of the space, particularly when no end-point is easy to predict.

I should note I have found a helium gas canister that should make a good
vacuum chamber. It's a little undersized, but close enough in the
absence of other parts. Probably a good candidate for using the new
plasma-cutter on.

Sci

On 12/06/2012 22:09, Charles Yarnold wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or
> bother to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And
> alot of longer serving members should know better by now.
>
> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want
> to fix what I see as broken with the space.
>
> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
> no details:
>
> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have

> nowadded extra signs
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around

> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday

> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no

[Naomi Lehane]

I'm Clare, and please do email me any questions you have.

Cheers Clare, will do.

I didn't actually visit on Tuesday it was on Monday, I joined before I visited, I loved the idea of the space that
much!, thanks for taking my comments so well, I feel a bit better now.

And lastly "WELCOME!" I hope you have fun at the space and make some awesome things, I'm one of the trustees of the space, normally found in a labcoat named "solexious" and wearing a large bushy beard (for the male geek striotype ;)

Thanks and I would be very disappointed if there wasn't any geek stereotypes:)

Cheers
Naomi

[Jim MacArthur]

On 12 June 2012 23:44, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
> Does this cover the items being stored in the "junk" room by the
> laser-cutter? Some of the parts for the Vacuum Station have been very hard
> to find, and I wouldn't want to see them chucked out. Especially since we're
> very close to having all the required bits.
> I would offer to store them at my home instead, but there's no ready space
> here.
> I'd hope there is some special exception for ongoing projects for the
> benefit of the space, particularly when no end-point is easy to predict.

Put a do-not-hack sticker on them with a guess as to it's completion.
If it takes longer, you can put a new sticker on. If things aren't
being worked on frequently enough to update the stickers on them, then
I don't think they should be in the space, beneficial or not.

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

Tshirts with "Official Guide" or such on would be pretty cheap to
get/make. Would make the space seem more organised (hehe), and make it
obvious who to go to when someone new arrives on a Tuesday.

The tri-weekly LondonFurs meets have several people with bright red
"Staff" T-shirts, and it really helps that even newbies can instantly
know who to go to if there's questions or problems.

[Charles Yarnold]

We do actually have a tour guide high vis jacket, just that no one wants to wear it. We used to be great at welcoming people on a Tuesday, we just need to get that spirit back and less "drop in and tune out" users of the space imho

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

Maybe scheduling events on the open evening? Something to focus around
rather than ad-hoc tours?

On 13/06/2012 00:01, Charles Yarnold wrote:
> We do actually have a tour guide high vis jacket, just that no one wants
> to wear it. We used to be great at welcoming people on a Tuesday, we
> just need to get that spirit back and less "drop in and tune out" users
> of the space imho
>
> On 12 June 2012 23:58, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

I'll see if I can scratch up some extra boxes to tidy the parts up more
and come in saturday to update the stickers.

[Mark Steward]

Thanks!

[Akki]

I'd love the "junk room" converted to more members box storage. It's
horribly under-utilized space.

~Akki

On Jun 12, 11:44 pm, "Peter \"Sci\" Turpin" <s...@sci-fi-fox.com>
wrote:

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

Or alternately perhaps it could store things for space-usage? Like those
uninstalled power-strips that were laying about last week? Or other
parts needing instalation. Basically a stock-cupboard of "official" bits.

[SamLR]

+1 to this. 

Also, sol in the workshop is my shelf to attach to the metal working bench. All the bits are there but I've kept forgetting to get hold of the long screws needed to attach it. Feel free to ditch it or attach it yourself (or put it near my box and poke me to fix it when I get back).

S

PS the idea was to attach a shelf that crap could be cleared into from the bench top to aid in times when people leave their shit out.

[David Murphy]

I dropped in to visit for the first time last night and I apparently had an unusually good experience, got shown round, found out about the awsome stuff going on met lots of people.

Will definitly be joining.

[Simon Howes]

Can we get rid of some of the trolleys? We only need one multiple 2x2foot platforms with wheels on are a deathtrap.

And the damned barstools. Unless they sprout metallic batwings in the next 48 hours then they have not had even one metric millifsck of hack done on them.

Plasma cutter should be here by friday so maybe we can slice up offending metallic items into a ready supply of material. Or make lots of metallic H's and stick them on pikes. As a warning. Like Vlad the impaler, did. :p /troll

[Akki]

Which bar stools are you referring to, because they were gone by
Saturday if they're the ones that I'm thinking of? The round ones with
blue leatherette cushions? The DNH had expired on them.

Enforcing policies is what all members have to do. If you see someone
storing something large, don't be afraid to ask them if they've asked
the mailing list about storing it.

I'm all for getting rid of that awkward trolley that is made of black
metal tubing and has a push handle like a shopping trolley. It takes
up a lot of space. Not sure if I'm describing it properly :)

~Akki

On Jun 13, 9:18 am, Simon Howes <simonhowes...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Can we get rid of some of the trolleys? We only need one multiple 2x2foot
> platforms with wheels on are a deathtrap.
>
> And the damned barstools. Unless they sprout metallic batwings in the next
> 48 hours then they have not had even one metric millifsck of hack done on
> them.
>
> Plasma cutter should be here by friday so maybe we can slice up offending
> metallic items into a ready supply of material. Or make lots of metallic
> H's and stick them on pikes. As a warning. Like Vlad the impaler, did. :p
> /troll
>

> On Jun 13, 2012 9:06 AM, "David Murphy" <murphy.da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I dropped in to visit for the first time last night and I apparently had
> > an unusually good experience, got shown round, found out about the awsome
> > stuff going on met lots of people.
>
> > Will definitly be joining.
>

> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:18 AM, SamLR <sam.lindenrat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> +1 to this.
>
> >> Also, sol in the workshop is my shelf to attach to the metal working
> >> bench. All the bits are there but I've kept forgetting to get hold of the
> >> long screws needed to attach it. Feel free to ditch it or attach it
> >> yourself (or put it near my box and poke me to fix it when I get back).
>
> >> S
>
> >> PS the idea was to attach a shelf that crap could be cleared into from
> >> the bench top to aid in times when people leave their shit out.
>

> >> On 13 June 2012 07:18, tom <bollocks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> i'm all up for revisiting the idea of "members only unless its a
> >>> tuesday" again, at least that way its a designated time where we can show
> >>> people around and guarantee we'll get nothing done :)
>
> >>> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:09:41 PM UTC+1, Solexious wrote:
>
> >>>> Hello all,
>
> >>>> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
> >>>> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
> >>>> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
> >>>> longer serving members should know better by now.
>
> >>>> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
> >>>> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to
> >>>> fix what I see as broken with the space.
>
> >>>> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
> >>>> no details:
>
> >>>> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members

> >>>> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have nowadded extra signs

> >>>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around

> >>>> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
> >>>> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday

> >>>> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have

[Michael Stevens]

I had a similar experience, and was only saved by already knowing akki
and sully. Admittedly this was not a Tuesday.

Michael

[Elliot West]

++

Broken windows etc.

[Akki]

I'm going to bring this up again randomly...

http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/New_members_guide

If we put this as a pdf on lovelace and print some out and have it
noticeable for new people, it might help them understand that we're
not a service[1] - we're just people/members using the space. It's not
necessarily a friendly or not friendly thing. We don't always like
giving tours out of the hours of tuesday night social night because
we're busy working.

Also, I might update the wiki on visiting the space to try to make
this point clearer - you're going to have to make yourself obvious if
you're new, you're in a sea of probably 500 other people who use the
space (members and nonmembers). We cannot possibly know everyone who
comes through that door.

~Akki

[1] "Hi! May I take your order?"

On Jun 13, 10:14 am, Michael Stevens <mstev...@etla.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 03:19:35PM -0700, Earthshine wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:45:56 PM UTC+1, naomijlea wrote:
>
> > > As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the
> > > space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even

> > > acknowledged by any one, except person who kindly showed me around, I

[Naomi Lehane]

[1] "Hi! May I take your order?"

I never expected a welcome committee, I knew I was not coming in on a social night, but it did feel awkward, but surely an acknowledgement of someone else coming into the room is not to much too ask Akki?, that would surely add to the more positive environment no?.

Naomi

[t...@christwithfries.net]

I think if this is the attitude we're going to take, we should probably
label Tuesdays "anti-social night"?

On 2012-06-13 11:22, Naomi Lehane wrote:
> [1] "Hi! May I take your order?"
>
> I never expected a welcome committee, I knew I was not coming in on a
> social night, but it did feel awkward, but surely an acknowledgement
> of someone else coming into the room is not to much too ask Akki?,
> that would surely add to the more positive environment no?.
>
> Naomi
>

> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Akki <beloved...@gmail.com [3]>

> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to bring this up again randomly...
>>

>> http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/New_members_guide [1]

>>
>> If we put this as a pdf on lovelace and print some out and have it
>> noticeable for new people, it might help them understand that
>> we're
>> not a service[1] - we're just people/members using the space. It's
>> not
>> necessarily a friendly or not friendly thing. We don't always like
>> giving tours out of the hours of tuesday night social night
>> because
>> we're busy working.
>>
>> Also, I might update the wiki on visiting the space to try to make
>> this point clearer - you're going to have to make yourself obvious
>> if
>> you're new, you're in a sea of probably 500 other people who use
>> the
>> space (members and nonmembers). We cannot possibly know everyone
>> who
>> comes through that door.
>>
>> ~Akki
>>
>> [1] "Hi! May I take your order?"
>>

>> On Jun 13, 10:14 am, Michael Stevens <mstev...@etla.org [2]>

> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/New_members_guide
> [2] mailto:mstev...@etla.org
> [3] mailto:beloved...@gmail.com

[Michael Stevens]

I don't claim to be totally representative, since I went there with the
specific purpose of talking to you and sully.

However I think the current policy of opening the door and wandering off
without saying anything is perhaps a bit too unfriendly.

Plus, I might be a thief, come to steal the hackspace, etc.

Michael

[Andrew Delamare]

LOL!

You're asking technical and coding people to have social skills?

That’s great! Good luck with that:)

Andrew

[Mark Steward]

Erm, that's kind of the point of the space.  A lot of us have spent too long outside a creative atmosphere and are fed up of working that way.

I also don't think people are anti-social on Tuesdays: there are usually a group of people welcoming newcomers.  However, it can be a daunting environment, and it's easy for unforceful people to slip past unnoticed.  We just need to bear that in mind and remember that newbie Tuesday is, well, full of newbies.

Mark

[Lindsay Morrison]

hiya,

   i am a new hackspace member, and i was wondering if anyone could tell me how i could go about getting an induction/safety training to the welder and metal-working tools? i gather from the wiki that i need to do this before i can start using the workshop space, but i couldn't work out from the website exactly how to go about this, or who to get in touch with?.....(admittedly i am not the most technilogically minded person, but i did find the wiki a bit unclear in this area)

any advice would be much appreciated!

thanks,

lindsay

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Andrew Delamare <ajdel...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Akki]

There's a high turnover of people coming in and out of the space and
rooms at all hours. Like I said before, it is actually difficult and
you'd not get much done if you were constantly acknowledging every
person.

[pad...@padski.co.uk]

A a long day spent answering the door 5 times an hour, to mostly familiar faces lacking their own door-opening device, can seriously affect one's social skills..

Sent from my thing.

----- Reply message -----
From: "Michael Stevens" <mste...@etla.org>
To: <london-h...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [london-hack-space] visitor etiquette
Date: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 11:25


I don't claim to be totally representative, since I went there with the
specific purpose of talking to you and sully.

However I think the current policy of opening the door and wandering off
without saying anything is perhaps a bit too unfriendly.

Plus, I might be a thief, come to steal the hackspace, etc.

Michael

[Nick Rosen]

There seems to be a gap between those who IRC and those who dont - it
feels like the IRC is the inner core and if you dont IRC you are not
"one of us"

On Jun 12, 11:19 pm, Earthshine <mikemc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:45:56 PM UTC+1, naomijlea wrote:
>
> > As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the
> > space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even

> > acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly showed me around, I

[William Hay]

On 13 June 2012 11:22, Naomi Lehane <naom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [1] "Hi! May I take your order?"
>
> I never expected a welcome committee, I knew I was not coming in on a social
> night, but it did feel awkward, but surely an acknowledgement of someone
> else coming into the room is not to much too ask Akki?, that would surely
> add to the more positive environment no?.
>
> Naomi

I suspect that a lot of people are attempting in the hackspace are
attempting to maintain a state of flow.

William

[Mark Steward]

I wonder whether we should start turning people away who aren't members/visiting for the first time/delivering goods.  Is getting membership still a problem for anyone?  If so, what can we do to fix that?

Mark

[Charles Yarnold]

Lets move this part of the discussion over to the "visitor etiquette" thread and keep this thread for discussing the clean up of items.

[tom]

use irc then? Either" become one of us" or dilute "the group" down so its not a problem

Its not just IRC, we get too many people that dont read the list or wiki too, were just a place to torrent TV shows and make tea in :/

[Tim Reynolds]

I don't think its unreasonable to turn people away that arent delivering something or coming for a first time tour outside of Tuesday nights. If you need access, become a member. 

[Akki]

The tower bridge picnic referred to wasn't organised on irc anyway. It
was done on a more personal level outside the hackspace. It just so
happened to involve some hackspace members.

TBH, IRC is a good discussion tool without bothering the 1500 members
of the mailing list like I'm doing right now. Also quite a lot of the
people on IRC meet up in the space regularly anyway. You're welcome
to join in the discussion there at any time.
http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/IRC

~Akki

[Akki]

sorry!

er yeah, so, I'm joining the clean up crew on the 24th (because
dorkboat is the 23rd)

Let's get this space TIDY!

~Akki

[Charles Yarnold]

As Akki has said, the date for this has been pushed back one day to the 24th due to dorkboat.

[Zoe Plumb]

Yes, I don't presume to know everyone who is a member so when people turn in the middle of the day esp not on a tuesday I expect they are probably members who've forgotten their door thing...would probably start asking people if they were new visitors from about 6pm on a tuesday though.

[tgreer]

Not anymore. I firewall off torrenters when they start killing the
net.

Just my 2 cents as a fairly new member:

I came down with the aim of meeting like minded (amateur radio) people
and I succeed as I knew others, I didn't get a tour, infact nobody
spoke to me. It was only when I piped up that I was new and asked
about the laser cutter training that Charles introduced himself and
invited me to the laser training session.

Most people from the space I met via IRC. I know socialising isn't the
geek's strongest point, but maybe we all just need to speak up a bit
more, members and non members alike.

My problem with continually answering the door is I get nothing done
if I'm running up and down, and last I checked, I came to the
hackspace to get things done.

If you're a non-member/new person, instead of expecting the people
there to know you're new, maybe you could pipe up and say 'Hi! I'm new
here, can you show me about'. I have no issues showing people about,
but unless I know you're new (which I don't, I'm not magic), then I
wont.

Regardless, I think restricting non-members/visitors to Tuesday nights
would be better off, as otherwise we're just going to descend into a
state where members won't come down because they're sick of spending
their time dealing with newbies as per the expectations laid out.


T.

[Clare Greenhalgh]

I agree!

[dave brenneman]

RE: Visitors

Would it be useful to get a packet of HELLO MY NAME IS stickers, so
that anyone visiting for the first time can stick one on, write their
name, etc.


As a new member, i understand that it's a bit intimidating to walk
into a room full of people you don't know, with no idea of what to
expect.

I joined the hackspace because i wanted a space to work and access to
tools - the social elements are secondary in my mind.

[SamLR]

I'm sure this will be shot down in seconds but never mind:

Would people be interested in setting up a sign-in/out sheet/google-doc/something and putting it beside the door and getting non-members/people who forgot their card to sign in? 

I'd not ever propose that people use their real names if they don't want to (although sticking to a single sign in would be nice) the reason I suggest this is I'd be genuinely interested in how many non-members are using the space and when. 

Also having to sign in might help encourage members to remember their cards ;)

S

[Monty]

But if you're new how would you know about the stickers and where to find them especially if we've run out and no one has bought more?

[Mark Steward]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:20 PM, dave brenneman <dub...@gmail.com> wrote:

RE: Visitors

Would it be useful to get a packet of HELLO MY NAME IS stickers, so
that anyone visiting for the first time can stick one on, write their
name, etc.


As a new member, i understand that it's a bit intimidating to walk
into a room full of people you don't know, with no idea of what to
expect.

I don't think labelling yourself will make that easier.  Better for people to show people around and introduce them to each other, than to work around the broken case of people being fed up with answering the door because of lazy regulars.

 

I joined the hackspace because i wanted a space to work and access to
tools - the social elements are secondary in my mind.

That's interesting, as I don't believe the space wouldn't work if all we had were the tools.

Mark

[Dave Ingram]

On 13/06/12 13:17, tgreer wrote:
> My problem with continually answering the door is I get nothing done
> if I'm running up and down, and last I checked, I came to the
> hackspace to get things done.
>
> If you're a non-member/new person, instead of expecting the people
> there to know you're new, maybe you could pipe up and say 'Hi! I'm new
> here, can you show me about'. I have no issues showing people about,
> but unless I know you're new (which I don't, I'm not magic), then I
> wont.

This. I'm more than happy to give tours etc as long as I know that
some{one is,many are} new and I'm not hugely busy. The space has more
than doubled in size in the time I've been a member, and it's impossible
to keep up. Especially if I only visit the space once a week or so.

<troll>Either that, or we tattoo the Hackspace logo onto the faces of
members so they're easy to identify.</troll>


D

[pad...@padski.co.uk]

When their door thing is their oyster card I wonder how they got here....

[Michael Stevens]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 01:27:47PM +0100, Dave Ingram wrote:
> <troll>Either that, or we tattoo the Hackspace logo onto the faces
> of members so they're easy to identify.</troll>

I propose a simple technical solution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human)

[Dave Brenneman]

Note their existence on the wiki? Tell visitors to bring their own sign?

It's not an ideal solution, just trying to think of how to address the "I would welcome visitors if i was aware they were new" bit of the issue.

[Dave Brenneman]

agreed, the hackspace is more than simply a work area; I just meant that, personally, if I had to choose between being acknowledged as a new visitor vs getting some work done on a project, I'd choose the project. Others may feel differently. 

-dubold

On 13 Jun 2012, at 13:25, Mark Steward wrote:

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:20 PM, dave brenneman <dub...@gmail.com> wrote:

RE: Visitors

[Dave Ingram]

Ah, but facial tattoos are instantly recognisable without additional
technology. As a bonus, visitors can immediately identify members...
without requiring special training!

[Andrew Delamare]

Just thinking out loud..

 

Perhaps we should put a video camera up and someone should put a copy of faint (http://faint.sourceforge.net/) on the sign-in machine so when you register you also have a picture taken and when you come in it gives you a salutation.

 

If it doesn’t know you it captures the face and reports it to the admin people. Then we can tally up people coming with their times and also stuff going missing etc.

 

Then people tracking can be done.

 

Andrew

[Dave Ingram]

On 13/06/12 13:25, Monty wrote:

But if you're new how would you know about the stickers and where to find them especially if we've run out and no one has bought more?

Large sign: "ARE YOU NEW HERE? LABEL YOURSELF"
Big arrow to nearby Sharpie attached to the wall. Sticky labels optional.

[Charles Yarnold]

I think I mistook your post on first read and read "social elements" to mean "part of the community"

[Dave Brenneman]

I can see now that might have been unclear from what I wrote. I appreciate you mentioning it; my intent wasn't to imply that the community isn't important.

[Earthshine]

How about we have the Social Night once a month instead of once a week? That way it affects paying members less and can be organised specifically as a social night instead of 'just another Tuesday in which new people may also turn up'. it gives more time to prepare things too. Members would be obliged on that one day a month to answer the door, be civil, do tours, be prepared to talk about what they are working on, bring in things to show off, etc.and also be prepared to not get a lot of work done but to be 'social' instead. Maybe even have a mini talk or something?

[Kimball Johnson]

My first thought to that, is a month is a long time to wait if you are
wanting to visit the space, and so may but off new mwmbers, but then
as we have 480 paying members that may be a good thing!

The concept is certainly great though - open day style is likely to be
good for newbies if we can organise it well. It could end up being
like running an mini maker fair once a month though, which would be
seriously hard work.

K

[David Murphy]

There is the downside that it can be much harder to make a once a month event. miss one and you have to wait another 12th of a year to see the hackerspace.

[Clare Greenhalgh]

Maybe ever other week would give people a better chance to find the space (and not forget about it after they have found out) but also let members have a break from it so we can get on with stuff too.

We should start a new "meal" event too - that always brought people together more!

Sprinkles,

Noko

On 13 June 2012 14:49, Earthshine <mike...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Charles Yarnold]

I'm quite for making the space members only (not including first visits) most of the time at the space with weekly Tuesday open evenings.

I think its also a question of managing expectations. If someone comes into IRC and asks about visiting they are told that they should try and visit on a Tuesday as its the open night, and doing so on another night means they shouldn't expect a huge welcome. It seems we need to find out how people are finding about about the space and make sure they try to come on a Tuesday. (of cause this means we also need to fix the welcome earchshine's mates got)

Sol

[Adrian Godwin]

Every other week might be a good frequency, but it's a pain to get in
sync. Much better to choose something like '1st & 3rd tuesdays'.

-adrian

[Nigel Worsley]

> I'm quite for making the space members only (not including first visits) most of the time
> at the space with weekly Tuesday open evenings.

Me too, I have never understood why non members are allowed such free access to the space.

Nigle

[pad...@padski.co.uk]

+1 here...

Sent from my thing.

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[Dave Ingram]

On 13/06/12 15:01, Charles Yarnold wrote:
> I'm quite for making the space members only (not including first
> visits) most of the time at the space with weekly Tuesday open evenings.

+1, in theory. How would this interact with the various subgroups that
often attract external visitors, e.g. biohackers and mindhackers?


D

[Kimball Johnson]

Bonafida guests are fine, so it's still not free access - it's guests
of members in said group.

K

[Akki]

So we have to get into the swing of answering the door and asking
people if they're members and telling them to go away until Tuesday if
not?

~Akki

[Benjamin Blundell]

I have been guilty of this. Generally I dont challenge people but I think I will start from now. If I answer the door I'll be asking.

B

[tgreer]

+1

On Jun 13, 3:01 pm, Charles Yarnold <charlesyarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm quite for making the space members only (not including first visits)
> most of the time at the space with weekly Tuesday open evenings.
>
> I think its also a question of managing expectations. If someone comes into
> IRC and asks about visiting they are told that they should try and visit on
> a Tuesday as its the open night, and doing so on another night means they
> shouldn't expect a huge welcome. It seems we need to find out how people
> are finding about about the space and make sure they try to come on a
> Tuesday. (of cause this means we also need to fix the welcome earchshine's
> mates got)
>
> Sol
>

> On 13 June 2012 14:54, Clare Greenhalgh <claregreenha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Maybe ever other week would give people a better chance to find the space
> > (and not forget about it after they have found out) but also let members
> > have a break from it so we can get on with stuff too.
>
> > We should start a new "meal" event too - that always brought people
> > together more!
>
> > Sprinkles,
> > Noko
>

[Samuel Keating-Fry]

I'd just like to add my thanks to mattp for being a good host a few
Tuesdays ago when I first came along.
As Naomi mentioned, it can be a bit intimidating. Especially after
browsing the mailing list archive :-)
When I called in Matt was there sporting the hi-vis jacket, he gave me
a really interesting and enthusiastic tour. Had he not been so
welcoming, I probably wouldn't have been so keen on signing up as a
member.

On 13 June 2012 00:01, Charles Yarnold <charles...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We do actually have a tour guide high vis jacket, just that no one wants to
> wear it. We used to be great at welcoming people on a Tuesday, we just need
> to get that spirit back and less "drop in and tune out" users of the space
> imho
>
>
> On 12 June 2012 23:58, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tshirts with "Official Guide" or such on would be pretty cheap to
>> get/make. Would make the space seem more organised (hehe), and make it
>> obvious who to go to when someone new arrives on a Tuesday.
>>
>> The tri-weekly LondonFurs meets have several people with bright red
>> "Staff" T-shirts, and it really helps that even newbies can instantly know
>> who to go to if there's questions or problems.

>>
>>
>> On 12/06/2012 23:19, Earthshine wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:45:56 PM UTC+1, naomijlea wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>    As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into
>>>    the space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I

>>>    wasn't even acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly

[Russ Garrett]

On 13 June 2012 16:40, Akki <beloved...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So we have to get into the swing of answering the door and asking
> people if they're members and telling them to go away until Tuesday if
> not?

This thread started because some new people were finding the Hackspace
unfriendly. Our conclusion is to turn them away at the door? What the
hell?

I've been to visit a lot of hackerspaces. The majority of them were
not particularly friendly when I visited them for the first time, and
the best I've got is a cursory tour. This is the nature of the beast;
a roomful of unfamiliar geeks building things is not going to the most
friendly group of people.

We should encourage people to be friendly at the door and to give
tours, but nobody should feel obliged to. Similarly we should make new
visitors aware that the space is full of people doing work, and they
might not get a decent tour unless it's a Tuesday.

New people should always be welcome to come in and take a look around
the space. What if they're only in town for a few days and can't make
it on Tuesday? A big part of the hackerspace movement is that if
you're in a foreign city, there's somewhere you can pop into which has
internet and a few like-minded people (even if they might not be
particularly welcoming to start with).

(There is another component to this thread, and that's non-members who
abuse our hospitality and our facilities. This is a problem, but
there's definitely no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater
by barring all non-members.)

--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk

[Paddy Duncan]

You have a very valid point there. I have no problem with newbies, and am happy to show them around, and they usually announce themselves as such by at the very least looking a bit lost. But.. most of the door-ringers of a typical recent daytime are not newbies, and slink past with a quick ta, making ignoring a door a preferred option. As Mark said, how can we fix that?
Paddy

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[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

A little plinth with a sign over it; "Not a member yet? Please sign the
guestbook and leave a message! :)" and a nice bound book laying open
under it.
Then we get both an idea of the number of non-members visiting and
feedback. Nice little engaging, personable, detail.

But if we just want cold hard data, we know how many times doorbot
activates, and we have the counter at the door measuring footfall.
Subtract one from the other and we get the number of apparent
non-members (well, those entering without using ID).
While that's possibly of some use, it's at best useless for dealing with
hospitality, and at worse exacerbates the issue of viewing non-members
as non-entities.

On 13/06/2012 13:21, SamLR wrote:
> I'm sure this will be shot down in seconds but never mind:
>
> Would people be interested in setting up a sign-in/out
> sheet/google-doc/something and putting it beside the door and getting
> non-members/people who forgot their card to sign in?
>
> I'd not ever propose that people use their real names if they don't want
> to (although sticking to a single sign in would be nice) the reason I
> suggest this is I'd be genuinely interested in how many non-members are
> using the space and when.
>
> Also having to sign in might help encourage members to remember their
> cards ;)
>
> S
>
> On 13 June 2012 21:17, Clare Greenhalgh <claregr...@gmail.com
> <mailto:claregr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree!
>
> On 13 June 2012 13:16, Zoe Plumb <deathz...@gmail.com

> <mailto:deathz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Yes, I don't presume to know everyone who is a member so when
> people turn in the middle of the day esp not on a tuesday I
> expect they are probably members who've forgotten their door
> thing...would probably start asking people if they were new
> visitors from about 6pm on a tuesday though.
>
>
> On 13 June 2012 12:44, pad...@padski.co.uk

> <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk> <pad...@padski.co.uk

> <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> A a long day spent answering the door 5 times an hour, to
> mostly familiar faces lacking their own door-opening device,
> can seriously affect one's social skills..
>

> Sent from my thing.
>
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> From: "Michael Stevens" <mste...@etla.org
> <mailto:mste...@etla.org>>
> To: <london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: [london-hack-space] visitor etiquette

> try to make

> > this point clearer - you're going to have to make
> yourself obvious if
> > you're new, you're in a sea of probably 500 other people
> who use the
> > space (members and nonmembers). We cannot possibly know
> everyone who
> > comes through that door.
> >
> > ~Akki
> >
> > [1] "Hi! May I take your order?"
> >
> > On Jun 13, 10:14 am, Michael Stevens <mstev...@etla.org

> <mailto:mstev...@etla.org>> wrote:

> > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 03:19:35PM -0700, Earthshine wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:45:56 PM UTC+1,
> naomijlea wrote:
> > >
> > > > > As a new member I can say it can be quite
> intimidating walking into the
> > > > > space for the first time, when I went in for the
> first time, I wasn't even

> > > > > acknowledged by any one, except person who kindly

> showed me around, I
> > > > > acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit, but
> it was a bit off putting,
> > > > > although once past that initial awkwardness, I felt
> fine on my own.
> > >
> > > > This was actually said to me on Saturday at the
> Helicopter Picnic. Two
> > > > people independently told me in the pub afterwards
> that they had gone to
> > > > the space, on a Tuesday social night, but felt
> intimidated as nobody
> > > > greeted them, nobody tried to talk to them and most
> people had earphones on
> > > > whilst staring at a laptop. Nobody offered to show
> them around and they
> > > > were wondering what part of the night was the social
> bit. They hung around
> > > > for an hour or so but left after this as they felt
> like a gooseberry. They
> > > > said they did not feel like they wanted to come back
> after this and havent
> > > > been back since.
> > >
> > > > Read into this what you will.
> > >

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

It is indeed a valid point. The answer to misanthropy is not more
misanthropy.

Suggested work-around; assume EVERYONE ringing the doorbell is a new
visitor to the space, and begin to show them around with a cheery smile.
If they say they're a member, ask their name and add them in a book for
people who have "lost" their entry card, so their security details can
be reset for safety reasons.

Suggested script;
"Hi, welcome to the London Hackspace! My name is XXX, have you visited
before? No? I'm afraid it's not an open-evening tonight so there's no
one giving official tours, but you can allways ask around if someone
seems to be taking a break from their project. Or alternately there's
the next open evening on this calender. In the meantime, visitors badges
are right here, which should make people a bit more forward.."



I know we have a large-format printer. I should be in the space on
saturday, so I'm inclined to print out a map of the space and make a
"reception" stand for visitors (and members who don't visit often) if I
get the time.

Do we have any clear sticky-back plastic? Want to make markings on it
changable as the space layout is.

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

That makes good sense. And such a timetable has worked for the 2600
meets for decades.

On 13/06/2012 15:02, Adrian Godwin wrote:
> Every other week might be a good frequency, but it's a pain to get in

> sync. Much better to choose something like '1st& 3rd tuesdays'.

[SamLR]

I'd say keep social nights Tuesday but maybe make an effort for newbies more on 1st & 3rd? Have sort of induction evenings (with hazing rituals ;) ).

I think Peter's suggestions for door script is good. As I said when I suggested the sign-in book I propose it more to find out who's using the space, when and why than as a method of hounding people. I think making the space members only for part of the day (i.e. 00:00->17:00) would be nice but in a much more relaxed way (first time visitors & people from other hackspaces are fine). 

I guess ultimately what I'm trying to construct is a situation in which we have a set of guidelines that most of the time we can ignore but can be pointed at people are taking the piss i.e. non-members who are using the space every day. 

S

[James Harrison]

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This makes a lot of sense to me.

Specifically listing induction evenings would help people wanting to join for sure, and making the space members-only on a more strict basis is absolutely something that should be done imho.

Would it make sense to be able to issue visitors passes /with RFID/, that visitors could keep? Essentially, the doorbell would be for "I'm a completely new person"; returning non-members use their visitors pass to enter, members use cards as normal. If the total cost of a pass is, say, £1 (RFID tag, bit of paper, and a pass holder that can clip on to clothing) then this shouldn't put a noticeable dent in the hackspace funds and would make tracking visitor usage much easier, both via doorbot and via being able to look around and spot visitors passes. It's a good social thing too, as Sam said - having a pass with your name on it will help people get acquainted and introduced.

If we had 'visiting hours' specified on the passes themselves that also gives a good quick reference to people wanting to visit; obviously doorbot wouldn't let visitors in outside those hours.

Cheers,
James Harrison

On 14/06/2012 02:55, SamLR wrote:

> I'd say keep social nights Tuesday but maybe make an effort for newbies more on 1st & 3rd? Have sort of induction evenings (with hazing rituals ;) ).
>
> I think Peter's suggestions for door script is good. As I said when I suggested the sign-in book I propose it more to find out who's using the space, when and why than as a method of hounding people. I think making the space members only for part of the day (i.e. 00:00->17:00) would be nice but in a much more relaxed way (first time visitors & people from other hackspaces are fine).
>
> I guess ultimately what I'm trying to construct is a situation in which we have a set of guidelines that most of the time we can ignore but can be pointed at people are taking the piss i.e. non-members who are using the space every day.
>
> S
>

> On 14 June 2012 10:14, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com <mailto:s...@sci-fi-fox.com>> wrote:
>
> That makes good sense. And such a timetable has worked for the 2600 meets for decades.
>
>
> On 13/06/2012 15:02, Adrian Godwin wrote:
>
> Every other week might be a good frequency, but it's a pain to get in
> sync. Much better to choose something like '1st& 3rd tuesdays'.
>
>
> -adrian
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Clare Greenhalgh
> <claregr...@gmail.com <mailto:claregr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Maybe ever other week would give people a better chance to find the space
> (and not forget about it after they have found out) but also let members
> have a break from it so we can get on with stuff too.
>
> We should start a new "meal" event too - that always brought people together
> more!
>
> Sprinkles,
> Noko
>

> On 13 June 2012 14:49, Earthshine<mike...@gmail.com <mailto:mike...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> How about we have the Social Night once a month instead of once a week?
> That way it affects paying members less and can be organised specifically as
> a social night instead of 'just another Tuesday in which new people may also
> turn up'. it gives more time to prepare things too. Members would be obliged
> on that one day a month to answer the door, be civil, do tours, be prepared
> to talk about what they are working on, bring in things to show off, etc.and
> also be prepared to not get a lot of work done but to be 'social' instead.
> Maybe even have a mini talk or something?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[Mark Steward]

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:

That makes good sense. And such a timetable has worked for the 2600 meets for decades.

I'd dispute that.

[Mark Steward]

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:

Suggested work-around; assume EVERYONE ringing the doorbell is a new visitor to the space, and begin to show them around with a cheery smile. If they say they're a member, ask their name and add them in a book for people who have "lost" their entry card, so their security details can be reset for safety reasons.

That doesn't make sense: if someone stops being a member their card expires automatically.   I currently say something like "Have you been here before/would you like a tour?" and then "Are you a member? You should get your card sorted out/drop some coins in the donation tin" if they're not a newbie.

The problem is the (non-member) regulars who try to walk straight past without making contact, and I don't think signing in or visitor passes will affect them.  We just need to use our discretion to nudge these people, and agree that nobody should mind being asked if they're a member - the space only works on some level of trust.

Mark

[Russ Garrett]

On 14 June 2012 08:34, Mark Steward <marks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem is the (non-member) regulars who try to walk straight past
> without making contact, and I don't think signing in or visitor passes will
> affect them.  We just need to use our discretion to nudge these people, and
> agree that nobody should mind being asked if they're a member - the space
> only works on some level of trust.

I agree with this. There's no magic solution to this problem, and
anything which relies on the member answering the door confronting
people isn't going to work - people will tend to avoid confrontation.

The simple solution is: if you think a non-member is taking the piss,
let the trustees know and we'll have a chat with them.

--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk

[Benjamin Blundell]

I'd agree with Russ that yes, the people in the space working are indeed, working and dont want to be disturbed by non-members. I say non-members here because there is definitely a difference between people taking the piss (who should be challenged) and people who are new. New people tend to walk in, look lost and sometimes ask for help. I've seen people give tours off the cuff for things like that and thats fine. Some people will always slip through the net.

"The simple solution is: if you think a non-member is taking the piss,
let the trustees know and we'll have a chat with them."

I'd go one further than the above and if you have to answer the door and you dont know the person just say "Hi, whats up?" and ask why they dont have a card or if they are a member if they are unknown to you. If they say they are new and want a tour, explain why you cant give one, or guide them around. Very simple, but requires a more pro-active approach.

B

[tom]

perhaps some kind of "Bat-Phone" where it randomly dials a trustee so we can report taking of piss?

[Simon Howes]

Like the Red Phone to the whitehouse?
Only to our glorious leader Jontie's haus insead?

[Benjamin Blundell]

+1 to this! :D Somehow linked into latitude or irc or something? Maybe just a recorder that sends messages to him via email?

B

[Dave Ingram]

On 14/06/12 11:00, Benjamin Blundell wrote:
> +1 to this! :D Somehow linked into latitude or irc or something? Maybe
> just a recorder that sends messages to him via email?

If you link it to latitude then you can send them a message via
carrier-quadricopter.

[Adam Page]

 

On Jun 13, 3:01 pm, Charles Yarnold <charlesyarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm quite for making the space members only (not including first visits)
> most of the time at the space with weekly Tuesday open evenings.

On Wednesday, 13 June 2012 17:23:52 UTC+1, tgreer wrote:
>+1

+1

Adam

[Jasper Wallace]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Akki wrote:

> sorry!
>
> er yeah, so, I'm joining the clean up crew on the 24th (because
> dorkboat is the 23rd)
>
> Let's get this space TIDY!

Does this include the networking kit in the quiet room?

There are 4 differnet types of thing mixed up in there:

1) network cables, sockets and patch panels etc for upgrading the network
in the space.

That project needs finishing, it's roughly a days work for 2 people?

We have loads more sockets than we need.

2) Cat5 cables, some fibre cables, and network test kit for EMFCamp.

This stuff is partly shared with 1) above. I can store all the EMFCamp kit
in my flat, but will need transport to get it there.

3) A bunch of stuff i'm taking to switzerland.

I hope to have this packed up and shipped out by the end of the week.

4) a load if ip/kvm switches.

People have said they would come and pick them up, and so far haven't. I
think if there are still any around by the 24th then they can be chucked
out

5) 3 x 1U servers, and a desktop machine

The desktop maching works well and would be useful as a 2nd lovelace, we
don't really have space for it tho, but since it works i'd rather not have
it thrown out, i can take it home if it offends people.

of the 3 x 1U servers, one is mine which i use for testing things, one is
Sols minecraft server which he has said we can use for emfcamp, and one is
Phils that we will also be using for emfcamp.

So i guess the real question is: can we store emfcamp stuff in the space,
and if not can someone help me transport it to my flat?

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[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

Went in tonight. Dropped in the contender vacuum chamber helium tank and
moved some bits around.
I made a protective cover for the big transformer to stop the feedthrus
from being damaged and got all but the backing-pump stored against the
rear wall of the "junk" room.
The backing pump could go on the windowsill, but there were some other
bits already up there. They looked like they might be part of something,
so I was ill-inclinded to move them to make space.

I couldn't see any DNH stickers anywhere, so I made and taped a sign to
the edge of the sink with my nick and todays date on. I hope that will
suffice for the momment. It's as neatly stacked as I could get it.

If not, please let me know. All parts back there are currently present &
correct.

Removed the junk fire-extinguisher Billy donated to the project as it's
no where near big enough. However Andy suggested using it as a mobile
drinks dispenser, so took it home to check for compatible fittings.
Also stripped down the old front-panel for the switches and process
control lamps. The remaining barren panel can go out but the skip seems
to have vanished from the carpark, so I left it against the workshop bin
for when it's back.

btw, did empty the recycling bin though. It was overflowing, and more
than a bit smelly.

On 13/06/2012 00:13, Mark Steward wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com
> <mailto:s...@sci-fi-fox.com>> wrote:
>
> I'll see if I can scratch up some extra boxes to tidy the parts up
> more and come in saturday to update the stickers.
>
>
> On 12/06/2012 23:57, Jim MacArthur wrote:
>
> On 12 June 2012 23:44, Peter "Sci" Turpin<s...@sci-fi-fox.com
> <mailto:s...@sci-fi-fox.com>> wrote:
>
> Does this cover the items being stored in the "junk" room by the
> laser-cutter? Some of the parts for the Vacuum Station have
> been very hard
> to find, and I wouldn't want to see them chucked out.
> Especially since we're
> very close to having all the required bits.
> I would offer to store them at my home instead, but there's
> no ready space
> here.
> I'd hope there is some special exception for ongoing
> projects for the
> benefit of the space, particularly when no end-point is easy
> to predict.
>
>
> Put a do-not-hack sticker on them with a guess as to it's
> completion.
> If it takes longer, you can put a new sticker on. If things aren't
> being worked on frequently enough to update the stickers on
> them, then
> I don't think they should be in the space, beneficial or not.
>
>

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

Oh, I also found the homemade vacuum degasser I donated in the wet room
with the reinforcing handle broken off, the internal lighting wires cut
and the internal carrier all bent out of shape.

While I did make it out of junk and didn't expect to ever take it back,
I am sad to see it looking so abused.
Also without the reinforcing handle the top will bow when under vacuum,
greatly increasing the chances of it IMPLODING catastrophically.

I put all the parts together in the wet room, as I didn't have any
two-part epoxy on me. I hope someone will repair it or replace it with
something better.