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From: SamLR <sam.lindenrat...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:59:58 +0100
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They shouldn't. Rule 2 <http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Rules>[1][2]
exists for a reason and REALLY shouldn't be broken. If someone was caught
doing this I'd consider it something that they should get a warning for.

That being said, with the exception of an incidence about 6 months ago
involving the 3-in-1 I can't think of any cases of people breaking rule 2

S


[1] http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Rules
[2] "Don't defeat or hack safety features/equipment. This is for other
people's safety as much as yours."

On 30 June 2012 11:05, Akki <belovedgodd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How long before someone hacks it so it no longer needs the key? Place
> your bets now! ;)
>
> ~Akki
>
> On Jun 30, 1:44 am, Simon <skl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > OK
> > the degausser is now in the space.
> > I have however removed the key for now until we can establish how it
> > can be used safely without destroying anything (like pacemakers,
> > laptops, oyster cards etc)
> >
> > I won't have time for a while to sort out the documentation and
> > training but I will happily hand over the key to someone who wants to
> > look after this etc
> >
> > On Jun 28, 10:36 pm, Nick Bradbeer <nickbradb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > That's absolutely disgusting. They must have data for the tests they
> >
> > > have performed, if not I would suspect they didn't perform any tests.
> >
> > > > I wrote to my MP recently as a result of a campaign someone in the US
> > > > was having about the susceptibility of medical appliances and was
> > > > assured that the UK system was much more thorough (this was shortly
> > > > before the story about breast implants broke ..). Call them out on
> it,
> > > > and if they don't provide data, make a formal complaint.
> >
> > > Actually, they've been incredibly helpful in the past whenever I've had
> > > questions. When I wanted to learn welding they sent a technician out
> with a
> > > diagnostic computer to test how the pacemaker responded, and whenever
> I've
> > > called their contact number with a question involving numbers they've
> put
> > > me through to engineers not customer service people.
> >
> > > They're required to do tests to ensure that their hardware can operate
> > > safely in some standard BS?) environmental conditions - the problem is
> that
> > > I keep wanting know how it will perform in unusual environments, like
> near
> > > welding gear, or under 4 atmospheres of pressure. In the latter case
> they'd
> > > done pot tests to a pressure greater than they were required to, and
> were
> > > able to advise me unofficially on what they suspected it would be okay
> to,
> > > but they'd have been taking on a hell of a liability if they'd given
> me a
> > > guarantee. I don't want to make them out to be bad guys here.
> >
> > > >>The manufacturers of the degausser recommend that person with
> > > >>pacemakers should not be closer than 1m to the operating degausser.
> > > >>http://www.veritysystems.co.uk/degaussers/healthandsafety.asp
> >
> > > Ahh, that's good enough for me. Cheers.
> >
> > > Nick
>

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They shouldn&#39;t. <a href=3D"http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Rul=
es">Rule 2</a>[1][2] exists for a reason and REALLY shouldn&#39;t be broken=
. If someone was caught doing this I&#39;d consider it something that they =
should get a warning for.=A0<div>

<br></div><div>That being said, with the exception of an incidence about 6 =
months ago involving the 3-in-1 I can&#39;t think of any cases of people br=
eaking rule 2</div><div><br></div><div><div>S</div><div><br></div><div>

<br></div><div><div>[1] <a href=3D"http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view=
/Rules">http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Rules</a>=A0</div><div>[2]=
 &quot;<span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Don&#39;t defeat or hack safety featur=
es/equipment. This is for other people&#39;s safety as much as yours.&quot;=
</span><br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 June 2012 11:05, Akki <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:belovedgodd...@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">beloved=
godd...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

How long before someone hacks it so it no longer needs the key? Place<br>
your bets now! ;)<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
~Akki<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Jun 30, 1:44=A0am, Simon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:skl...@gmail.com">skl...@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; OK<br>
&gt; the degausser is now in the space.<br>
&gt; I have however removed the key for now until we can establish how it<b=
r>
&gt; can be used safely without destroying anything (like pacemakers,<br>
&gt; laptops, oyster cards etc)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I won&#39;t have time for a while to sort out the documentation and<br=
>
&gt; training but I will happily hand over the key to someone who wants to<=
br>
&gt; look after this etc<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Jun 28, 10:36=A0pm, Nick Bradbeer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nickbradb..=
....@gmail.com">nickbradb...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; That&#39;s absolutely disgusting. They must have data for th=
e tests they<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; have performed, if not I would suspect they didn&#39;t perform an=
y tests.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I wrote to my MP recently as a result of a campaign someone =
in the US<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; was having about the susceptibility of medical appliances an=
d was<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; assured that the UK system was much more thorough (this was =
shortly<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; before the story about breast implants broke ..). Call them =
out on it,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; and if they don&#39;t provide data, make a formal complaint.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Actually, they&#39;ve been incredibly helpful in the past wheneve=
r I&#39;ve had<br>
&gt; &gt; questions. When I wanted to learn welding they sent a technician =
out with a<br>
&gt; &gt; diagnostic computer to test how the pacemaker responded, and when=
ever I&#39;ve<br>
&gt; &gt; called their contact number with a question involving numbers the=
y&#39;ve put<br>
&gt; &gt; me through to engineers not customer service people.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; They&#39;re required to do tests to ensure that their hardware ca=
n operate<br>
&gt; &gt; safely in some standard BS?) environmental conditions - the probl=
em is that<br>
&gt; &gt; I keep wanting know how it will perform in unusual environments, =
like near<br>
&gt; &gt; welding gear, or under 4 atmospheres of pressure. In the latter c=
ase they&#39;d<br>
&gt; &gt; done pot tests to a pressure greater than they were required to, =
and were<br>
&gt; &gt; able to advise me unofficially on what they suspected it would be=
 okay to,<br>
&gt; &gt; but they&#39;d have been taking on a hell of a liability if they&=
#39;d given me a<br>
&gt; &gt; guarantee. I don&#39;t want to make them out to be bad guys here.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;The manufacturers of the degausser recommend that person =
with<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;pacemakers should not be closer than 1m to the operating =
degausser.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<a href=3D"http://www.veritysystems.co.uk/degaussers/heal=
thandsafety.asp" target=3D"_blank">http://www.veritysystems.co.uk/degausser=
s/healthandsafety.asp</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Ahh, that&#39;s good enough for me. Cheers.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Nick</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>

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