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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:44:38 +0100
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Subject: Re: [london-hack-space] Members and non members?
From: Adrian Godwin <artgod...@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Dave Ingram <d...@dmi.me.uk> wrote:
>
> Thinking about tool access control... what about (when the vending machine
> is up and running) selling short-duration access passes for the expensive
> tools? Keyed to work one specific tool for a specific amount of time? We
> would then at least know that misuse could be due to someone using one of
> those passes rather than a member.
>
Charging for tool access is a problem when the tools are not formally
maintained - they generally only work new or when someone cares enough
to fix them. The laser cutter is an exception .. possibly because it
has a well established charging mechanism and is actively maintained.
In fact, the system fell apart somewhat when it wasn't so actively
maintained for a short while.
I think this shows that it can work, but needs a strict regime. It's
obviously appropriate for high-maintenance or expensive tools. The
effort might not feel worthwhile for some levels of tool (eg portable
drills, dremels, some manual tools).
I don't have a solution for this but think it's important to keep in
mind if there's a general policy of paying for tool usage. If you pay
explicitly for something, you have a greater expectation that it will
be working.
-adrian