New mill/lathe training

[Simon Howes]

Hello folks,

Spooq and I have finished unpacking and cleaning the new big lathe/mill and she purrs beautifully. Apart from a few floor bolts and a bit of running in we're now nimbly into the start of "ready to use".

Nows probably a good time to talk about training - very much a must on this type of machine. I wont pump the FUD regarding accidents, you can research that yourself (and may want to if you feel particularly abashful: google lathe accidents). Unfortunately theres no safe way to give a 15 minute safety brief, T-shirt and a well wish as its really necessary to have proper hands-on training with this type of machine. In the distant past machinists would do whole apprenticeships to learn how to use these machines.

Training needs to be done with a relatively small group (5 people including teacher feels about right - but we wont know till we try). In the interest of this I'm happy to run the first session on this sometime next week. Also, we'd like to try and "torrent" this by training up the most suitable seeds so that they can train other people. The more people around who know about something, the better it is for everyone.

We'd like to try and strike a fine balance here - if you've pledged and really want to use the machine then we can probably get you into the first session and if you have prior experience working with lathes and are willing to teach then this would be even better. Candidates? :)

Peace out and no hatin'
AK

[Elliot West]

On 6 April 2011 14:59, Simon Howes <simonh...@googlemail.com> wrote:

We'd like to try and strike a fine balance here - if you've pledged and really want to use the machine then we can probably get you into the first session and if you have prior experience working with lathes and are willing to teach then this would be even better. Candidates? :)

Hello,

I'd very much like the training if there is space - but am happy to wait if there are previous mill/lathe users to train up first. I also imagine that the relevance of the training to particular groups will improve with each session.

Cheers - Elliot. 

[Kieran]

> > We'd like to try and strike a fine balance here - if you've pledged and
> > really want to use the machine then we can probably get you into the first
> > session and if you have prior experience working with lathes and are willing
> > to teach then this would be even better. Candidates? :)

[...]

> I'd very much like the training if there is space - but am happy to
> wait if there are previous mill/lathe users to train up first.

I'd also very much like to learn to use the lathe(s) and other metalworking
tools; however as I have no previous experience and am only at the space once
or twice a month, I'm also happy to wait until any potential trainers have had
theirs.

[tomwj]

Hi,

I would be interested in getting trained mainly to help train others
as I already have some experience with milling/lathe use and currently
don't have any machining plans, however I didn't pledge. I don't know
where I would fit in the fine balance.

Tom

[Tim Hutt]

Very keen! Didn't pledge but I totally would have if I had known about
the hackspace then!

My lab has lots of random blocks of metal, and no way to recycle them
(I know it's stupid), so I can bring some to practice on/use if people
want.

[Brendan Hickey]

I would be very interested participating (£) in a workshop on this.
Better to part with money than appendages.

Brendan

[bobby]

I would love to do the training although for the moment I am happy
using the
little mill, so I don't mind waiting whilst people who helped buy the
machine
(I wasn't a member at that time) get trained up.
There is a decent metal
suppliers near me (south acton) so I could speak to them about getting
bulk
orders of steel/ali/brass stock for the teaching with if needed.

bobs

On Apr 6, 2:59 pm, Simon Howes <simonhowes...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Nows probably a good time to talk about training -

[Sam Cook]

Really want to learn how to use this. 

S

[Lester Hawksby]

I would really like a mill/lathe lesson. I was not in the pledge, so I
should not go first, but I will happily pay, donate, or pledge for
tools/accessories in return for training.

Regards

Lester

[Toby Catlin]

I would like to register my interest. I have little prior experience and didn't pledge so i guess i am bottom of the heap.

t

[cepm...@yahoo.co.uk]

Dear All

A lot of members have expressed interest in a short introduction to the
small lathe and the mill/drill.

This is not intended to replace proper training on the new three in one,
This is being organised by the team who are doing sterling work setting up
the Combo, rather, it is just to give you a basic grounding in how to
turn/mill without damaging your work, the machine or yourself!

I shall be doing this tomorrow (Thurs) at 20:00 and anticipate about an
hour to complete. If you cannot make it, do not despair as I shall be
repeating (if wanted) a few times at different points over the next few
weeks.

I shall be covering the basic safety actions and the limitations of the
two machines with an emphasis on things such as correct fitting of tools,
appropriate securing of workpieces etc. An important part of the input
will be around what NOT to do and a (non destructive) demonstration of how
the machines react to mild abuse.

If time permits, I shall also run through some of the hand held power
tools in a similar way.

See you all tomorrow

Phil

[amx109]

i too would like to learn how to use this. and as with some others, i didnt pledge so am expecting to be towards the end of the list.

[Adrian Godwin]

Like Tom, I've got some experience and would be happy to help others once I've been taught the idiosyncrasies of this particular setup. Not urgent as I'm not at the space often enough to be a useful secondary trainer - just willing to help if someone needs it whilst I'm around.

-adrian

[Tim Hutt]

I could video the training... Might be useful as a reference...

[Billy]

Add me in to the training workshops.

Once trained, i'll happily pass the teaching on. I'll want someone to
keep an eye the first few times, to make sure i haven't missed
anything vital though...

On Apr 6, 6:51 pm, Tim Hutt <tdh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I could video the training... Might be useful as a reference...

> On Apr 6, 2011 6:06 PM, "Adrian Godwin" <artgod...@gmail.com> wrote:

[asc]

Count me in on some training, my pledge was tiny compared to others so
bump me down the priority list.

The training I would need would be be pretty much everything from just
above scratch up to a level that I can do basic semi precise shaping -
as well as safety.

Perhaps training could be grouped in to say newbie, semi and competent
levels to best cater for differing types of people.

Thanks must be given to the chaps who organised the pledge, to the
people who contributed and to the generous people who have put their
hands up to help with training. I don't know all your names, but I
(and I am sure others) truly appreciate your work and enthusiasm in
driving this pledge forward and making a success of a great tool that
everyone will enjoy for many years.

-Steve

[Sci]

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May be of use that Tubal Cain, who quite literally wrote the book on
hobby workshop machining, has a YouTube channel if you want to learn
more in-depth machinging skills, particularly on lathes and mills.
http://www.youtube.com/user/mrpete222

MIT also put up a series of workshop tutorials I've found very very
useful indeed. Starts here:
http://techtv.mit.edu/genres/24-how-to/videos/142-machine-shop-1

I'm sure others have useful sources too. All the more information on
using these tools well, the better, yes?

~ Sci

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[Sam Cook]

I may be along to this tonight

Thanks, phil, for this and all the other amazing work you're doing around the space! (seriously the damn place has changed every time I come in now; tis nuts!)

S

[Don B]

  I'd like to do the training as well. I'm usually in hackspace a couple of times a week, and would be happy to pass on the training. Had some previous experience with the mini-lathe, though not with larger lathes.


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Don.

[chris-robot]

Count me in for training, I've worked with many mini lathes and some
big ex-navy ones, but need to learn our one.

Chris Paton

On Apr 6, 2:59 pm, Simon Howes <simonhowes...@googlemail.com> wrote:

[Errant]

Also very interested in learning, have experience of wood-lathes only,
am student-poor, fiscally not responsible and consequently low-
priority ;) Not sure how much of an ace teacher I'd be but happy to
if considered worthy.

[spooq]

Hello future machinists,

I'm very happy to see the response from everyone, it is good that the
machine will be widely used :)

I've updated the tooling pledge page slightly. Could all those who
would like training, and did not pledge towards the machine, please
read it and take a moment to consider if they would like to add their
names to the list? Even small amounts will go a long way. Rather than
a target amount, we either close the pledge in a couple of months, or
leave it running in some shape or form.

http://wiki.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Pledges/Lathe_Milling_Machine_Combo_Tools

The highest priority person so far is Phil (cepmender), as he is
already giving lessons on the small machines, followed by Adrian and
Tom. If anyone else thinks they belong in the category of "primary
seeds" by virtue of having prior experience, then please put your hand
up :)

Neither Abby nor myself will be at the space tonight. If you want to
use the machine, talk to Russ. I expect it is going to be madness
there tonight, so you probably won't get much done :)

Cheers,
Luke

[spooq]

Oh and Chris Paton is in that group too, if he wants to do some
teaching, sorry Chris!

Luke

[Nigel Worsley]

> I've updated the tooling pledge page slightly.

That list "vertical rotary table, for gears and other fun thing" - is
there a good reason why the existing
rotary table can't be used?

It also lists a fly cutter, there was a set of 3 of them supplied with
the existing machines.

"Target: Over �9000"

A bit ambitious, don't you think :-)

Nigle

[spooq]

On 12 April 2011 12:32, Nigel Worsley <nig...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I've updated the tooling pledge page slightly.
>
> That list "vertical rotary table, for gears and other fun thing" - is there
> a good reason why the existing
> rotary table can't be used?

I thought the existing table was only horizontal? If not, I will
change the page.

> It also lists a fly cutter, there was a set of 3 of them supplied with the
> existing machines.

If there are existing fly cutters, then again, no need to buy any more.

> "Target: Over £9000"
>
> A bit ambitious, don't you think :-)

Gotta aim high ;)

Luke

[Simon Howes]

Hi folks,

A bit short notice, i wont be in the hax tonight but I will be in tomorrow if any of our auto-sort eligible list of seeds are interested?

[James Brown]

I'm interested in learning to use the Mill/Lathe, as a new member I didn't contribute to the original pledge, and I'm a newbie so I'm towards the end of the queue.  But I'm around at short notice during the day, and am happy to contribute to the tool budget :)

Regards

James

[Nigel Worsley]

spooq wrote:
> I thought the existing table was only horizontal? If not, I will change the page.

It will do both, but I had a look at it this evening and it doesn't have any bolt holes for vertical
use and only has one for horizontal. I remember using it vertically, so I must have used bits from
the clamp kit to hold it in place. Have a look at it, but it might be worth buying a better one.

> If there are existing fly cutters, then again, no need to buy any more.

The holders have been misidentified as lathe tools and are living in the bottom left of the lathe
toolboard. The cutter bits are sitting in the wooden box with the indexable lathe tools in the
drawer underneath. They are rather longer than you might expect, about 60-70mm if I recall
correctly.

While poking around I had a look at the parting off tool, the cutting insert is totally knackered
and it should not be used until this has been replaced. It won't do anything useful and could
damage either the lathe or the user.

Nigle

[cepm...@yahoo.co.uk]

My fault, I mis-identified them as internal boring tools for the lathe.

[Nigel Worsley]

Just in case anyone doubts the ability of the workshop machines to kill
people:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/nyregion/yale-student-dies-in-machine-shop-accident.html?_r=1&hp

Nigle

[Simon Howes]

*shudder* and it was a lathe/hair accident too.
Theres a good reason we fitted a key to the new lathe...

I think we should consider a lathe rule 0 going forward:
do not be in the lathe

[spooq]

maybe a box of hair-nets for those with long hair?

Luke

[Tim Hutt]

Or scissors!

[Matte]

On 14 April 2011 17:05, Tim Hutt <tdh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Or scissors!

As we all know, scissors are for running with, not for using on hair.
 

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[Alfred L. Tennyson]

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[Mark Steward]

Please don't let's turn this into a generic H&S bikeshedding thread.

Mark 

[Sam Cook]

How do we know the bike shed is safe though? perhaps we should reinforce the walls....

S

[Mark Steward]

I know training's started, but can I suggest that the people are taught to use the hoover at the same time as the 3-in-1?  Shavings were spread up to 4 feet around the lathe, including the boxes of wires and linbins.

It's not fair to discount tidying from the time required to use machinery.  I dislike rules[2] as much as the next person, but this why we have rule 14.

Mark

[1] http://wiki.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/File:3-in-1_shavings.jpg

[2] http://wiki.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Rules

[Mark Steward]

On Apr 16, 3:47 pm, Mark Steward <markstew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> can I suggest that the people are taught to
> use the hoover at the same time as the 3-in-1?

Sam's going to buy some stiff-wired brooms specifically for swarf,
which will be left near the 3-in-1.


Mark