I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence
in the middle of the carpark.
It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the lock and
left it behind.
When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of the car
park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is no-one on
gate duty during the day.
Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your bike
there.
There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
> I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence
> in the middle of the carpark.
> It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the lock and
> left it behind.
> When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of the car
> park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is no-one on
> gate duty during the day.
> Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your bike
> there.
> There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
> We have a lot of bike parts. What are the legal limits we could modify a
> bait-bike to fall-apart/explode/**electricute/spray-paint-**everywhere?
> On 23/05/2012 16:23, Billy wrote:
>> I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence
>> in the middle of the carpark.
>> It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the lock and
>> left it behind.
>> When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of the car
>> park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is no-one on
>> gate duty during the day.
>> Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your bike
>> there.
>> There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
Who's joking? A fake bike that sprays UV dye everywhere when a chain is cut sounds like a damn good deterent.
If building management is unable or unwilling to adequately secure the area, we should at least also look into extending our own CCTV system to cover outside areas.
> Let's keep joke suggestions to a minimum, please.
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com
> <mailto:s...@sci-fi-fox.com>> wrote:
> We have a lot of bike parts. What are the legal limits we could
> modify a bait-bike to
> fall-apart/explode/__electricute/spray-paint-__everywhere?
> On 23/05/2012 16:23, Billy wrote:
> I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence
> in the middle of the carpark.
> It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the
> lock and
> left it behind.
> When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of
> the car
> park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is
> no-one on
> gate duty during the day.
> Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your bike
> there.
> There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any
> suggestions?
Although if the hackspace people with their infinity wisdom cannot come up
with a bike rack that makes bikes unstealable in what every way they deem
inventive I shudder for the world! Surely if we put wind powered CCTV on the
bike racj with a battery that's also the wind chime/generator move of the
balcony taken car of:)
[mailto:london-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter "Sci" Turpin
Sent: 23 May 2012 16:38
To: london-hack-space@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [london-hack-space] Bike theft from the car park
Who's joking? A fake bike that sprays UV dye everywhere when a chain is cut
sounds like a damn good deterent.
If building management is unable or unwilling to adequately secure the area,
we should at least also look into extending our own CCTV system to cover
outside areas.
On 23/05/2012 16:30, Mark Steward wrote:
> Let's keep joke suggestions to a minimum, please.
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Peter "Sci" Turpin > <s...@sci-fi-fox.com <mailto:s...@sci-fi-fox.com>> wrote:
> We have a lot of bike parts. What are the legal limits we could
> modify a bait-bike to
> fall-apart/explode/__electricute/spray-paint-__everywhere?
> On 23/05/2012 16:23, Billy wrote:
> I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal
fence
> in the middle of the carpark.
> It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the
> lock and
> left it behind.
> When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of
> the car
> park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is
> no-one on
> gate duty during the day.
> Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your
bike
> there.
> There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any
> suggestions?
With low-cost hardware nowadays it'd be an interesting project to just have
a googlemaps overlay of the paths stolen bikes and the like take. The cops
dont really take bike theft seriously as its a considered a petty crime
like nicking your car stereo. But you gotta wonder. How many gangs are
really nicking this stuff? Is it all one big freaky looking dude or tons of
opportunists.
I'd just _love_ to hear the interview with the guy who nicked the bike....
On May 23, 2012 4:37 PM, "Peter "Sci" Turpin" <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
> Who's joking? A fake bike that sprays UV dye everywhere when a chain is
> cut sounds like a damn good deterent.
> If building management is unable or unwilling to adequately secure the
> area, we should at least also look into extending our own CCTV system to
> cover outside areas.
> On 23/05/2012 16:30, Mark Steward wrote:
>> Let's keep joke suggestions to a minimum, please.
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com
>> <mailto:s...@sci-fi-fox.com>> wrote:
>> We have a lot of bike parts. What are the legal limits we could
>> modify a bait-bike to
>> fall-apart/explode/__**electricute/spray-paint-__**everywhere?
>> On 23/05/2012 16:23, Billy wrote:
>> I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal
>> fence
>> in the middle of the carpark.
>> It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the
>> lock and
>> left it behind.
>> When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of
>> the car
>> park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is
>> no-one on
>> gate duty during the day.
>> Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your bike
>> there.
>> There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any
>> suggestions?
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 08:23:47AM -0700, Billy wrote:
> I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence in
> the middle of the carpark. There's got to be a better way of dealing
> with this. Any suggestions?
There are a few Sheffield stands by the traffic lights on Kingsland Road.
I locked my bike there when visiting the Space yesterday. I don't know
what CCTV is like there, but it's got far more foot & vehicle traffic than
the carpark, as well as being a more solid anchor point than the fence.
If those are full, there's a lot of stands just up past the Geffrye
Museum, also on Kingsland Road. Not as highly trafficked, but still fairly
exposed.
Billy that is seriously shit. I know exactly what it feels like. You have all the extra positive karma I have going in your direction (probably not much tho').
My bike was locked to the same fence (I think) - the one beside the refuse collections/bins, in front of the wood work/carpentry place by the front entrance? Was your a mountain bike with a carrier (and possibly a rear-view mirror)? If so, it was there when I left around 17:10 yesterday evening.
<rant>
See, this is where I'd say f&^k the rules the landlord has - if they cannot guarantee security of bikes/cars then they have to give an alternative. I know thats not a very groovy point of view, but I have had about £2,000 worth of bikes stolen over the years, and every time I hear a bike being stolen I can only wish and hope that the thief dies in a horrible way involving maximum pain.
Whats a CCTV camera system going to do? It certainly won't get it back. And if you've had a bike stolen, and you've watched the little pieces of scum stealing it, on CCTV, it does you absolutely no good. And don't mention reporting it to the police.....
And regarding the guys who stole it there are either two normal types: a) the scumbag piece of sheeet who sells it "down the market", or if its a "good bike" b) the organised thief who either breaks it down for parts, or steals it to order. They normally have bolt cutters stuck down the leg of their trousers and it takes about 8 seconds to slice through heavy duty bike lock. I watched as the guy who stole my Kona Cindercone on CCTV, pulled a 2-3 ft bolt cutters out of his pants leg and cut the (obviously not hardened enough) hardened twisted core bike lock.
> Who's joking? A fake bike that sprays UV dye everywhere when a chain is cut sounds like a damn good deterent.
> If building management is unable or unwilling to adequately secure the area, we should at least also look into extending our own CCTV system to cover outside areas.
> On 23/05/2012 16:30, Mark Steward wrote:
>> Let's keep joke suggestions to a minimum, please.
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com
>> <mailto:s...@sci-fi-fox.com>> wrote:
>> We have a lot of bike parts. What are the legal limits we could
>> modify a bait-bike to
>> fall-apart/explode/__electricute/spray-paint-__everywhere?
>> On 23/05/2012 16:23, Billy wrote:
>> I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence
>> in the middle of the carpark.
>> It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the
>> lock and
>> left it behind.
>> When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of
>> the car
>> park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is
>> no-one on
>> gate duty during the day.
>> Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your bike
>> there.
>> There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any
>> suggestions?
=====
Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb
IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org
> Billy that is seriously shit. I know exactly what it feels like. You have
> all the extra positive karma I have going in your direction (probably not
> much tho').
> My bike was locked to the same fence (I think) - the one beside the refuse
> collections/bins, in front of the wood work/carpentry place by the front
> entrance? Was your a mountain bike with a carrier (and possibly a rear-view
> mirror)? If so, it was there when I left around 17:10 yesterday evening.
> <rant>
> See, this is where I'd say f&^k the rules the landlord has - if they
> cannot guarantee security of bikes/cars then they have to give an
> alternative. I know thats not a very groovy point of view, but I have had
> about £2,000 worth of bikes stolen over the years, and every time I hear a
> bike being stolen I can only wish and hope that the thief dies in a
> horrible way involving maximum pain.
Yeah, I'd like to compile a list of all confirmed bike thefts we've had.
Anyone else?
> See, this is where I'd say f&^k the rules the landlord has - if they cannot guarantee security of bikes/cars then they have to give an alternative. I know thats not a very groovy point of view, but I have had about £2,000 worth of bikes stolen over the years, and every time I hear a bike being stolen I can only wish and hope that the thief dies in a horrible way involving maximum pain.
> Yeah, I'd like to compile a list of all confirmed bike thefts we've had. Anyone else?
This is a good idea.
Would it be feasible for the LHS to put some of the welding skills together to solve this issue ourselves and build a bikecage on the premises:
Again, I'd happily chip in for some funding, although by the looks of those (retail) prices, a bike pulley in the HS might be cheaper (subject to the usual health and safety mumbo jumbo / tenancy rules)
Bernard
=====
Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb
IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 08:23:47AM -0700, Billy wrote:
> I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence
> in the middle of the carpark.
> There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
I've been locking mine up outside Hoxton station, there's at least two
CCTV cameras in the area (one of which is specifically covering the bike
racks) and plenty of foot traffic.
What was your bike locked up with? (D-lock / Flexi-lock / Chain / Etc)
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 08:23:47AM -0700, Billy wrote:
> > I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence
> > in the middle of the carpark.
> > There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
> I've been locking mine up outside Hoxton station, there's at least two
> CCTV cameras in the area (one of which is specifically covering the bike
> racks) and plenty of foot traffic.
> What was your bike locked up with? (D-lock / Flexi-lock / Chain / Etc)
i talked with Billy briefly the day the bike was stolen - it happened in the middle of the day, in a parking lot that has a security guard, so obviously the current setup is unsecure.
On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:28:14 PM UTC+1, Billy wrote:
> Nice idea to park there. Hadn't thought of that.
> It was a flexi-lock.
> On May 23, 6:56 pm, Jonty Wareing <jo...@jonty.co.uk> wrote: > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 08:23:47AM -0700, Billy wrote:
> > > I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence > > > in the middle of the carpark.
> > > There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
> > I've been locking mine up outside Hoxton station, there's at least two > > CCTV cameras in the area (one of which is specifically covering the bike > > racks) and plenty of foot traffic.
> > What was your bike locked up with? (D-lock / Flexi-lock / Chain / Etc)
On May 23, 2012 8:28 PM, "Billy" <bi...@billycomputersmith.com> wrote:
> Nice idea to park there. Hadn't thought of that.
> It was a flexi-lock.
Flexible locks (even the Abus Granit ones) are pretty much worthless,
I'm afraid. The lesser ones are easily cut, and I lost a bike locked
with a Granit neatly snipped, so clearly there's some common tool that
will do that. Kryptonite D locks on the orange and yellow ranges are
the way to go.
From: london-hack-space@googlegroups.com [mailto:london-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dubold
Sent: 24 May 2012 10:48
To: london-hack-space@googlegroups.com
Subject: [london-hack-space] Re: Bike theft from the car park
i talked with Billy briefly the day the bike was stolen - it happened in the middle of the day, in a parking lot that has a security guard, so obviously the current setup is unsecure.
i like the idea of a bike cage opened via RFID.
On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:28:14 PM UTC+1, Billy wrote:
Nice idea to park there. Hadn't thought of that.
It was a flexi-lock.
On May 23, 6:56 pm, Jonty Wareing <jo...@jonty.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 08:23:47AM -0700, Billy wrote:
> > I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence > > in the middle of the carpark.
> > There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
> I've been locking mine up outside Hoxton station, there's at least two > CCTV cameras in the area (one of which is specifically covering the bike > racks) and plenty of foot traffic.
> What was your bike locked up with? (D-lock / Flexi-lock / Chain / Etc)
> *From:*london-hack-space@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:london-hack-space@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *dubold
> *Sent:* 24 May 2012 10:48
> *To:* london-hack-space@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [london-hack-space] Re: Bike theft from the car park
> i talked with Billy briefly the day the bike was stolen - it happened in
> the middle of the day, in a parking lot that has a security guard, so
> obviously the current setup is unsecure.
> i like the idea of a bike cage opened via RFID.
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:28:14 PM UTC+1, Billy wrote:
> Nice idea to park there. Hadn't thought of that.
> It was a flexi-lock.
> On May 23, 6:56 pm, Jonty Wareing <jo...@jonty.co.uk
> <mailto:jo...@jonty.co.uk>> wrote:
> > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 08:23:47AM -0700, Billy wrote:
> > > I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence
> > > in the middle of the carpark.
> > > There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
> > I've been locking mine up outside Hoxton station, there's at least two
> > CCTV cameras in the area (one of which is specifically covering the bike
> > racks) and plenty of foot traffic.
> > What was your bike locked up with? (D-lock / Flexi-lock / Chain / Etc)
i'd game for chipping-in for *a container* - that is obviously the safe*est option! - and perhaps the most sensible, given the thefts; £300 seems a lot more feasible (30 ppl chipping in a tenner each);
the *bicycle parking outside Hoxton Overground station* seems okay, but i've seen bicycles less bits being left there; i'm suspicious that there is adequate CCTV coverage, as the last time i looked the camera was pointing at the entrance to the train station, instead of covering the bicycle parking;
however, the station does have a back garden area which would very usefully contain lots of cycle parking facility with properly placed cameras which would make stealing a bicycle anonymously very hard indeed; unfortunately though, there doesn't seem to be a hurry for this space to be used for such a purpose, although the employee sitting behind the glass beside the gates did advise me to provide feedback/suggestion via a form (which i did), :-)
lastly,
i'm currently working on a *bicycle-mobility-notifier project*, the idea being this:
if a bicycle were to move more than say 1cm (or a custom-specified tolerance), then feedback is sent to the bicycle owner via the receiver device, giving the owner a chance to negotiate with any potential bicycle thieves;
its entitled Project Fungus, i'm currently attempting to put together a working prototype via Arduino boards, which is making slow progress!
On Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:00:32 UTC+1, Sci wrote:
> If you don't mind welding up rust holes and dents, can be gotten under > £300 on ebay or even specialist sites. Delivery/collection may be tricky > tho.
> On 24/05/2012 13:48, Andrew Delamare wrote: > > Would they allow us to put a half size sea container in the car park > > which is about the size of a car??
> > Perhaps we should save up for something like this.. then get welding on > > it and put an RFID lock on it.
> > *From:*london-hack-space@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:london-hack-space@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *dubold > > *Sent:* 24 May 2012 10:48 > > *To:* london-hack-space@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* [london-hack-space] Re: Bike theft from the car park
> > i talked with Billy briefly the day the bike was stolen - it happened in > > the middle of the day, in a parking lot that has a security guard, so > > obviously the current setup is unsecure.
> > i like the idea of a bike cage opened via RFID.
> > On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:28:14 PM UTC+1, Billy wrote:
> > Nice idea to park there. Hadn't thought of that.
> > It was a flexi-lock.
> > On May 23, 6:56 pm, Jonty Wareing <jo...@jonty.co.uk > > <mailto:jo...@jonty.co.uk>> wrote: > > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 08:23:47AM -0700, Billy wrote:
> > > > I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal > fence > > > > in the middle of the carpark.
> > > > There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any > suggestions?
> > > I've been locking mine up outside Hoxton station, there's at least > two > > > CCTV cameras in the area (one of which is specifically covering the > bike > > > racks) and plenty of foot traffic.
> > > What was your bike locked up with? (D-lock / Flexi-lock / Chain / > Etc)
Before any fund-raising, will need to confirm that we can actually place one semi-perminantly in one of the parking spaces. And if so, what size we'll be limited to. I suspect 20ft would be the absolute maximum.
Also remember that £300 is an estimate and isn't likely to include delivery. A standard 20ft container is 6.058m long, 2.438m wide, 2.591m high and weighs 2200Kg empty. Moving one is non-trivial and best performed by professionals.
> i'd game for chipping-in for *a container* - that is obviously the
> safe*est option! - and perhaps the most sensible, given the thefts; £300
> seems a lot more feasible (30 ppl chipping in a tenner each);
If it were not possible to place it in the parking area "in general", would it be possible to place it in one of the LHS car park spaces, which presumably are "belong to us" as long as we pay rent? As long as it fits, etc...
Maybe I'm mistaken and the space isn't actually "ours".
I'd be willing to chip in some funds for it. Regarding the moving, yes, it's probably done best by a professional, who'd possibly be supplying it, so there might not be a problem...?
On 30 May 2012, at 01:49, Peter Sci Turpin wrote:
> Before any fund-raising, will need to confirm that we can actually place one semi-perminantly in one of the parking spaces. And if so, what size we'll be limited to. I suspect 20ft would be the absolute maximum.
> Also remember that £300 is an estimate and isn't likely to include delivery. A standard 20ft container is 6.058m long, 2.438m wide, 2.591m high and weighs 2200Kg empty. Moving one is non-trivial and best performed by professionals.
> On 29/05/2012 23:58, Howard wrote:
>> i'd game for chipping-in for *a container* - that is obviously the
>> safe*est option! - and perhaps the most sensible, given the thefts; £300
>> seems a lot more feasible (30 ppl chipping in a tenner each);
- --------------------------------------
Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb
> If it were not possible to place it in the parking area "in general",
> would it be possible to place it in one of the LHS car park spaces, which
> presumably are "belong to us" as long as we pay rent? As long as it fits,
> etc...
> Maybe I'm mistaken and the space isn't actually "ours".
> I'd be willing to chip in some funds for it. Regarding the moving, yes,
> it's probably done best by a professional, who'd possibly be supplying it,
> so there might not be a problem...?
> On 30 May 2012, at 01:49, Peter Sci Turpin wrote:
> > Before any fund-raising, will need to confirm that we can actually place
> one semi-perminantly in one of the parking spaces. And if so, what size
> we'll be limited to. I suspect 20ft would be the absolute maximum.
> > Also remember that £300 is an estimate and isn't likely to include
> delivery. A standard 20ft container is 6.058m long, 2.438m wide, 2.591m
> high and weighs 2200Kg empty. Moving one is non-trivial and best performed
> by professionals.
> > On 29/05/2012 23:58, Howard wrote:
> >> i'd game for chipping-in for *a container* - that is obviously the
> >> safe*est option! - and perhaps the most sensible, given the thefts; £300
> >> seems a lot more feasible (30 ppl chipping in a tenner each);
> - --------------------------------------
> Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb
Depending on where we can position it and access, a container with side-entry would probably be best for bikes. Then they can be stored up-ended along the long wall.
While we could fit a lot more volume-wise, we've got to be able to get them out again. Storing them end-in like a regular container would rapidly make it impossible to get more than the first couple of bikes out again.
Regarding getting rid of it; provided it doesn't rust/get damaged more, we can sell it on for about what we got it for. Once 2nd hand they don't depreciate much. And if we sold it with whatever bike-storage fittings intact it's possible we could sell it for more than we got it.
> It might also be an idea to think about how we'd get rid of it if/when
> we moved to different premises/disbanded/decided we didn't want it any more.
> (Also how many bikes could a twenty foot container reasonably contain?
> Assuming that you wanted to be able to remove any one of them first.)
> Nick
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
> <ei8...@ei8fdb.org <mailto:ei8...@ei8fdb.org>> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> Agreed.
> If it were not possible to place it in the parking area "in
> general", would it be possible to place it in one of the LHS car
> park spaces, which presumably are "belong to us" as long as we pay
> rent? As long as it fits, etc...
> Maybe I'm mistaken and the space isn't actually "ours".
> I'd be willing to chip in some funds for it. Regarding the moving,
> yes, it's probably done best by a professional, who'd possibly be
> supplying it, so there might not be a problem...?
> On 30 May 2012, at 01:49, Peter Sci Turpin wrote:
> > Before any fund-raising, will need to confirm that we can
> actually place one semi-perminantly in one of the parking spaces.
> And if so, what size we'll be limited to. I suspect 20ft would be
> the absolute maximum.
> > Also remember that 300 is an estimate and isn't likely to
> include delivery. A standard 20ft container is 6.058m long, 2.438m
> wide, 2.591m high and weighs 2200Kg empty. Moving one is non-trivial
> and best performed by professionals.
> > On 29/05/2012 23:58, Howard wrote:
> >> i'd game for chipping-in for *a container* - that is obviously the
> >> safe*est option! - and perhaps the most sensible, given the
> thefts; 300
> >> seems a lot more feasible (30 ppl chipping in a tenner each);
> - --------------------------------------
> Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb
> Depending on where we can position it and access, a container with
> side-entry would probably be best for bikes. Then they can be stored
> up-ended along the long wall.
> While we could fit a lot more volume-wise, we've got to be able to get
> them out again. Storing them end-in like a regular container would rapidly
> make it impossible to get more than the first couple of bikes out again.
> Regarding getting rid of it; provided it doesn't rust/get damaged more, we
> can sell it on for about what we got it for. Once 2nd hand they don't
> depreciate much. And if we sold it with whatever bike-storage fittings
> intact it's possible we could sell it for more than we got it.
> On 30/05/2012 11:29, Nick Bradbeer wrote:
>> It might also be an idea to think about how we'd get rid of it if/when
>> we moved to different premises/disbanded/decided we didn't want it any
>> more.
>> (Also how many bikes could a twenty foot container reasonably contain?
>> Assuming that you wanted to be able to remove any one of them first.)
>> Nick
>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
>> <ei8...@ei8fdb.org <mailto:ei8...@ei8fdb.org>> wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>> Agreed.
>> If it were not possible to place it in the parking area "in
>> general", would it be possible to place it in one of the LHS car
>> park spaces, which presumably are "belong to us" as long as we pay
>> rent? As long as it fits, etc...
>> Maybe I'm mistaken and the space isn't actually "ours".
>> I'd be willing to chip in some funds for it. Regarding the moving,
>> yes, it's probably done best by a professional, who'd possibly be
>> supplying it, so there might not be a problem...?
>> On 30 May 2012, at 01:49, Peter Sci Turpin wrote:
>> > Before any fund-raising, will need to confirm that we can
>> actually place one semi-perminantly in one of the parking spaces.
>> And if so, what size we'll be limited to. I suspect 20ft would be
>> the absolute maximum.
>> > Also remember that £300 is an estimate and isn't likely to
>> include delivery. A standard 20ft container is 6.058m long, 2.438m
>> wide, 2.591m high and weighs 2200Kg empty. Moving one is non-trivial
>> and best performed by professionals.
>> > On 29/05/2012 23:58, Howard wrote:
>> >> i'd game for chipping-in for *a container* - that is obviously the
>> >> safe*est option! - and perhaps the most sensible, given the
>> thefts; £300
>> >> seems a lot more feasible (30 ppl chipping in a tenner each);
>> - ------------------------------**--------
>> Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb
Simple, effective, good. Also mean only one of the end doors needs to be openable.
Some solar-powered LED lights inside would be all it'd need. An internal camera would be nice, but tricky with solar. Just point one at it from the balcony.
> Of you put hooks along one side, and had a walkway downt he other side,
> it should be possible to store loads of bikes while keeping them removable.
> (paint it red)
> On 30 May 2012 12:49, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com
> <mailto:s...@sci-fi-fox.com>> wrote:
> Depending on where we can position it and access, a container with
> side-entry would probably be best for bikes. Then they can be stored
> up-ended along the long wall.
> While we could fit a lot more volume-wise, we've got to be able to
> get them out again. Storing them end-in like a regular container
> would rapidly make it impossible to get more than the first couple
> of bikes out again.
> Regarding getting rid of it; provided it doesn't rust/get damaged
> more, we can sell it on for about what we got it for. Once 2nd hand
> they don't depreciate much. And if we sold it with whatever
> bike-storage fittings intact it's possible we could sell it for more
> than we got it.
> On 30/05/2012 11:29, Nick Bradbeer wrote:
> It might also be an idea to think about how we'd get rid of it
> if/when
> we moved to different premises/disbanded/decided we didn't want
> it any more.
> (Also how many bikes could a twenty foot container reasonably
> contain?
> Assuming that you wanted to be able to remove any one of them
> first.)
> Nick
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
> <ei8...@ei8fdb.org <mailto:ei8...@ei8fdb.org>
> <mailto:ei8...@ei8fdb.org <mailto:ei8...@ei8fdb.org>>> wrote:
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> Agreed.
> If it were not possible to place it in the parking area "in
> general", would it be possible to place it in one of the LHS car
> park spaces, which presumably are "belong to us" as long as
> we pay
> rent? As long as it fits, etc...
> Maybe I'm mistaken and the space isn't actually "ours".
> I'd be willing to chip in some funds for it. Regarding the
> moving,
> yes, it's probably done best by a professional, who'd
> possibly be
> supplying it, so there might not be a problem...?
> On 30 May 2012, at 01:49, Peter Sci Turpin wrote:
> > Before any fund-raising, will need to confirm that we can
> actually place one semi-perminantly in one of the parking
> spaces.
> And if so, what size we'll be limited to. I suspect 20ft
> would be
> the absolute maximum.
> > Also remember that �300 is an estimate and isn't likely to
> include delivery. A standard 20ft container is 6.058m long,
> 2.438m
> wide, 2.591m high and weighs 2200Kg empty. Moving one is
> non-trivial
> and best performed by professionals.
> > On 29/05/2012 23:58, Howard wrote:
> >> i'd game for chipping-in for *a container* - that is
> obviously the
> >> safe*est option! - and perhaps the most sensible, given the
> thefts; �300
> >> seems a lot more feasible (30 ppl chipping in a tenner each);
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> Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb
I've gave this vibration based alarm to a friend a while ago as two of his bikes were stolen from Sutton station, his bike was never stolen again :P
http://www.lightinthebox.com/Vibration-Activated-120dB-Bicycle-Anti-T... It works surprisingly well and we should be able to hear it from the space, only problem is that if someone knocks your hard enough it will go off, but one can easily add an nRF24 chip to it to reset it remotely, *peep peep* ;)
> I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence
> in the middle of the carpark.
> It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the lock and
> left it behind.
> When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of the car
> park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is no-one on
> gate duty during the day.
> Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your bike
> there.
> There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
On Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:05:30 UTC+1, mentar wrote:
> Sorry about your loss Billy!
> I've gave this vibration based alarm to a friend a while ago as two of > his bikes were stolen from Sutton station, his bike was never stolen > again :P
> http://www.lightinthebox.com/Vibration-Activated-120dB-Bicycle-Anti-T... > It works surprisingly well and we should be able to hear it from the > space, only problem is that if someone knocks your hard enough it will > go off, but one can easily add an nRF24 chip to it to reset it remotely, > *peep peep* ;)
> M
> On 23/05/12 16:23, Billy wrote: > > I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence > > in the middle of the carpark.
> > It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the lock and > > left it behind.
> > When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of the car > > park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is no-one on > > gate duty during the day.
> > Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your bike > > there.
> > There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
On Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:05:30 UTC+1, mentar wrote:
> Sorry about your loss Billy!
> I've gave this vibration based alarm to a friend a while ago as two of > his bikes were stolen from Sutton station, his bike was never stolen > again :P
> http://www.lightinthebox.com/Vibration-Activated-120dB-Bicycle-Anti-T... > It works surprisingly well and we should be able to hear it from the > space, only problem is that if someone knocks your hard enough it will > go off, but one can easily add an nRF24 chip to it to reset it remotely, > *peep peep* ;)
> M
> On 23/05/12 16:23, Billy wrote: > > I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence > > in the middle of the carpark.
> > It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the lock and > > left it behind.
> > When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of the car > > park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is no-one on > > gate duty during the day.
> > Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your bike > > there.
> > There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
On Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:05:30 UTC+1, mentar wrote:
> Sorry about your loss Billy!
> I've gave this vibration based alarm to a friend a while ago as two of > his bikes were stolen from Sutton station, his bike was never stolen > again :P
> http://www.lightinthebox.com/Vibration-Activated-120dB-Bicycle-Anti-T... > It works surprisingly well and we should be able to hear it from the > space, only problem is that if someone knocks your hard enough it will > go off, but one can easily add an nRF24 chip to it to reset it remotely, > *peep peep* ;)
> M
> On 23/05/12 16:23, Billy wrote: > > I had my bike nicked yesterday. It was locked to the big metal fence > > in the middle of the carpark.
> > It happened between 2.30pm and 6.30pm. They bolt-cuttered the lock and > > left it behind.
> > When i spoke to the security guard, he said that that part of the car > > park is not covered by camera's. He also said that there is no-one on > > gate duty during the day.
> > Quick shout to say, improve your bike locks, when locking your bike > > there.
> > There's got to be a better way of dealing with this. Any suggestions?
