Possibly, from estimations its lasted at least 150 hours this time!
On 4 June 2011 21:02, Johannes <stone...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would it maybe be possible to get something set up that would record
> how long it is used automatically? Wonder if there's something you
> could hook into on the computer to find out when it's cutting.
>
> Johannes
Also, it would need a way of entering the amount of time spent cutting,
unless combined with the other idea. Hmm.
This is a project [1] waiting for someone to take initiative on, which
the hackspace is willing to fund to an extent.
Robert
[1] http://wiki.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Projects/Tool_Access_Control
Well when the software is reversed it would be easy to add logging, and password based access control if people really want it.
>isnt the tube sucking up a lot of power? Couldnt we detect that with
>some sort of inductance thing and time how long its on for?
You could easily detect when the tube power is on due to the high voltage - just wrapping a few
turns of wire round the HV cable should couple enough to detect with a high-impedance input like a
fet or opamp.
If it's like mine, the tube-current meter is in series with the tube's ground side - you could get a
low-voltage signal from the junction of meter and tube, which could be read by an ardiono or
whatever to count the 'on' time.
Or tap the tube-enable signal to the controller, which is probably already nicely optoisolated and
easily identifiable.
To get it to detect tube-hours rather than machine-hours, just attach it
to something that runs only when the tube is running, like the extractor
fan or air-feed. I think avoiding having to do in-depth analysis and
modification of the already esoteric controller on the cutter is the way
to go, or this could drag on for a very long time.
~ Sci
Yeah but no-one does that....
Are you sure? I've never done it or seen anyone do it, and it's easier to use the software.
Anyway, the software is used the vast majority of the time which is good enough. But since it hasnt been reverse engineered yet, power monitoring is probably a more expedient solution.
They are rated for 1500 hours at full power. Additionally, all the
recommended settings in the user manual are calibrated to 100% power.
So I find it unlikely that this is the cause of the reduction in tube
life.
--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk
Generally, yes, but I suspect it doesn't actually matter. The coolant
flow is sufficient enough (remember it's water, so much more efficient
than an air-cooled projector) that the tube is cold within seconds of
switching off.
--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk
ISTR somewhere reading the mirrors were only rated for a few hundred hours - I wonder if it would be
worth making some sort of uncalibrated but reasonably repeateble measurement of output at the tube,
so it could quickly be determined if reduced output is due to tube or optics .
I have some ideas on this front, but it's not actually that simple.
Measuring the power output of a 40W laser is a bit of of a pain in
itself.
I understand the larger cutters tend to have a movable mirror and a
thermopile sensor to measure the tube output power before every cut to
ensure repeatability. I think a thermopile rated to 40W sets you back
about £250 minimum, though. I suppose we might be able to get one a
bit cheaper if it only has to do relative measurements.
--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk
I was thinking something more along the lines of a small lump of black anodized metal with a
thermistor epoxied into a hole, and measure time taken for a specific resistance change, or
resistance change over a fixed time.
The same test jig could also do measurements on the cutting bed, and between the mirrors, so if
logged regularly it should be obvious where any degredation is happenning
I've got a laser tube ammeter at home. Its a little inline sensor you hook to the hot wire and it tells you the current being drawn. Its actually designed for lasers. As the tube gets older it's lasing gases break down and it draws less power...
Maybe its time i bring it in - my laser project at home is on hold anyway.
It's too big to mount permanently in the case, but could be mounted on
the end, replacing the access cover.
-adrian
Is the laser still functional albeit with limited power atm or it it off-limits?
I might want to pop up tonite for a few small cuts...
Hello all,The lasercutter is running a bit underpowered at the moment and is in need of a little tlc to try and restore it back to health. This will be taking place at some point tomorrow. So if you have plans to use it be aware it may bit in bits when you arrive. (I can't be more specific with the timing)I will update the list when this starts, and the outcome.ThanksCharles
On 4 June 2011 15:07, Charles Yarnold <charles...@gmail.com> wrote:
Love and squigglesSol
"If you can't make Tuesday either come along on another evening and
ask someone via the list or on IRC to confirm that they can teach
you."
Also I did turn up on a Tuesday and no-one wanted to show me & several
others how to use it... So I don't think it's fair to redirect
everyone to the FAQ (or the FAQ should be changed).
I'm going to be at the hackspace in an hour. I can show anyone how to
use the laser if they want. I'm wearing a red t-shirt and an awesome
beard. :-)
Thanks for sorting out the new optics!
Also I did turn up on a Tuesday and no-one wanted to show me & severalothers how to use it... So I don't think it's fair to redirect
everyone to the FAQ (or the FAQ should be changed).
whom ever thought it was funny to pressurise the sealant gun till it ruptured owes us a new tube
On the plus side we are taking this down time to add rfid to the laser cutter thanks to Mark (no more loosing the keys \o/)
I am also switching out coolbot from an arduino to a nanode, this will allow us to graph cooling temperature and also log laser usage hours (as sadly alot of users don't bother any more, shame on them!)
Due to this tube lasting much longer than the last, but still nowhere near the rated 1000 hours, it is likely the recommended usage fee will go up to £5 an hour as £3 won't be covering the cost any more.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm fairly sure what Charles is saying is
whoever broke the sealant gun owes us a new tube of silicone sealant -
not a new laser tube.
--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk
Excellent - does this mean we will no longer have to fill out the laser log by hand?
Shame indeed. Having graphs will be awesome. Will there still be a mechanism to log laser issues/performance?
I would suggest a new laser tube instead, as an act of penance.
Raising the bar a little, if the aforementioned, annoymou, silicone
anarchist does provide a new laser tube, I shall provide a new silicone
tube.
Mike.
What's the life-span of the optics in hours-of-use?
What's their price?
Add in to the hourly rate of the cutter.
How did the expected tube-life compare with what we got?
The new and improved coolbot is now installed, and the lasercutter is running at full power again.
Please, please, please, remember to fill out the lasercutter log, it is the best tool we have to keep an eye on the lasercutter and catch it before it starts to die again. No amount of software can automatically know if a job has worked successfully, so please log each time you use it!
Ha, but how will you fill in the "success?" option?
Ha, but how will you fill in the "success?" option?