So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
longer serving members should know better by now.
So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit the
space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to fix
what I see as broken with the space.
First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with no
details:
The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have
nowadded extra signs
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around
the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday
the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no
contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the
storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even
have a non completed DNH sticker.
No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we should
keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can get
broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another place
for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be easy
to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
something I will have to live with I guess.
Sol
p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make things
can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone else
to improve the space and our community.
On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, Charles Yarnold <charlesyarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
longer serving members should know better by now.
> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to
fix what I see as broken with the space.
> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with no
details:
> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have now
added extra signs around the space to make it even more clear what you
should do. Over the next 2 weeks I will try my best to contact the owners
of items, but on Saturday the 23rd I will be removing all DNH items from
the space that have no contact details, end dates or have not contacted the
list as per the storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box
that don't even have a non completed DNH sticker.
> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can
get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another
place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be easy
to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
something I will have to live with I guess.
> Sol
> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make things
can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone else
to improve the space and our community.
I strongly suspect there's at least one DNH'd project with my name on
it, that got buried and timed out and suffered from a severe case of
MBCS (Maker Being Crap Syndrome). If I don't manage to excavate it &
render it down for parts myself soon (will try, but usual excuses
apply) then please hide the evidence.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ++
> -artag
> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, Charles Yarnold <charlesyarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
>> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
>> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
>> longer serving members should know better by now.
>> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit the
>> space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to fix
>> what I see as broken with the space.
>> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with no
>> details:
>> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
>> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have now
>> added extra signs around the space to make it even more clear what you
>> should do. Over the next 2 weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of
>> items, but on Saturday the 23rd I will be removing all DNH items from the
>> space that have no contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list
>> as per the storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that
>> don't even have a non completed DNH sticker.
>> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
>> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can
>> get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another place
>> for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
>> members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
>> mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
>> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
>> the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be easy
>> to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
>> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
>> something I will have to live with I guess.
>> Sol
>> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
>> all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make things
>> can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone else to
>> improve the space and our community.
"Part of the issue of integration of new members is failure to do the
basics, and reading the wiki, being on the mailing list and interacting
with others are big things people need to do".
As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the
space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even
acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly showed me around, I
acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit, but it was a bit off putting,
although once past that initial awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.
It is a brilliant space, don't get me wrong, and one I will use, but as I
said can be intimidating, also can take time to figure out, for example on
the wiki you have a sewing machine, but I can't seem to find and I am not
sure where I would use it in the space anyway, the person I spoke to
suggested I spoke to Claire, what would be the best way of contacting her?,
on list I'm not sure, just an example.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ++
> -artag
> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, Charles Yarnold <charlesyarn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
> longer serving members should know better by now.
> > So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to
> fix what I see as broken with the space.
> > First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
> no details:
> > The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have now
> added extra signs around the space to make it even more clear what you
> should do. Over the next 2 weeks I will try my best to contact the owners
> of items, but on Saturday the 23rd I will be removing all DNH items from
> the space that have no contact details, end dates or have not contacted the
> list as per the storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box
> that don't even have a non completed DNH sticker.
> > No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can
> get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another
> place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
> members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
> mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
> > My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
> the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be easy
> to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
> > I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
> something I will have to live with I guess.
> > Sol
> > p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
> all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make things
> can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone else
> to improve the space and our community.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:09:41PM +0100, Charles Yarnold wrote:
> Hello all,
> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
> longer serving members should know better by now.
> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit the
> space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to fix
> what I see as broken with the space.
> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with no
> details:
> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have
> nowadded extra signs
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around
> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday
> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no
> contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the
> storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even
> have a non completed DNH sticker.
> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we should
> keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can get
> broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another place
> for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
> members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
> mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
> the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be easy
> to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
> something I will have to live with I guess.
> Sol
> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
> all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make things
> can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone else
> to improve the space and our community.
On 12 June 2012 22:45, Naomi Lehane <naomij...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Part of the issue of integration of new members is failure to do the
> basics, and reading the wiki, being on the mailing list and interacting
> with others are big things people need to do".
> As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the
> space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even
> acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly showed me around, I
> acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit, but it was a bit off putting,
> although once past that initial awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.
Hi Naomi. I'm sorry you had that experience. But I think that this happens
way to often at the moment. It seems that most peoples reaction to the
doorbell these days is to unlock it and open the door, then return to their
work. Can I ask if it was a Tuesday open evening you came to? With a
community that went from <50 to >450 so quickly, and partly to our liberal
open door policy for non members, its quite hard to know if someone ringing
the bell is new, a non member or a member that has forgotten their card.
Personally I make the point of saying Hi when answering the door and
finding this out, but I don't think this is how most people do it. Its
another thing on my list, but I'm not the natural person to take the lead
on this, but will if no one steps up with a plan (not to say things haven't
been started, or that no one works toward fixing this)
> It is a brilliant space, don't get me wrong, and one I will use, but as I
> said can be intimidating, also can take time to figure out, for example on
> the wiki you have a sewing machine, but I can't seem to find and I am not
> sure where I would use it in the space anyway, the person I spoke to
> suggested I spoke to Claire, what would be the best way of contacting her?,
> on list I'm not sure, just an example.
> I think the next big sign to make in the space is
"Got a question? 1) Ask people in the space 2) Search the wiki 3) ask IRC
4) email the mailing list"
Hopefully this will help newcomers that want to know more find what they
are looking for. But to answer your question specifically, Clare is my
other half and she is on the mailing list, it would be best to start a new
topic with your questions and I'm sure she will reply.
And lastly "WELCOME!" I hope you have fun at the space and make some
awesome things, I'm one of the trustees of the space, normally found in a
labcoat named "solexious" and wearing a large bushy beard (for the male
geek striotype ;)
i'm all up for revisiting the idea of "members only unless its a tuesday" again, at least that way its a designated time where we can show people around and guarantee we'll get nothing done :)
On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:09:41 PM UTC+1, Solexious wrote:
> Hello all,
> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new > members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother > to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of > longer serving members should know better by now.
> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit the > space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to fix > what I see as broken with the space.
> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with no > details:
> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members > storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have nowadded extra signs > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around > the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2 > weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday > the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no > contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the > storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even > have a non completed DNH sticker.
> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we > should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can > get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another > place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new > members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the > mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in > the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be easy > to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is > something I will have to live with I guess.
> Sol
> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we > all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make things > can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone else > to improve the space and our community.
On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:45:56 PM UTC+1, naomijlea wrote:
> As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the > space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even > acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly showed me around, I > acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit, but it was a bit off putting, > although once past that initial awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.
This was actually said to me on Saturday at the Helicopter Picnic. Two people independently told me in the pub afterwards that they had gone to the space, on a Tuesday social night, but felt intimidated as nobody greeted them, nobody tried to talk to them and most people had earphones on whilst staring at a laptop. Nobody offered to show them around and they were wondering what part of the night was the social bit. They hung around for an hour or so but left after this as they felt like a gooseberry. They said they did not feel like they wanted to come back after this and havent been back since.
I'm Clare, and please do email me any questions you have.
It will be great to meet up and chat (I am really busy with work at the
moment, so sorry!) but if you see me there I have cat's eye glasses and
red/black hair.
Do email and I will happily advise here too,
Have fun at the space, we are just trying to make it a better place to be,
Clare
aka
Noko
On 12 June 2012 22:45, Naomi Lehane <naomij...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Part of the issue of integration of new members is failure to do the
> basics, and reading the wiki, being on the mailing list and interacting
> with others are big things people need to do".
> As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the
> space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even
> acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly showed me around, I
> acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit, but it was a bit off putting,
> although once past that initial awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.
> It is a brilliant space, don't get me wrong, and one I will use, but as I
> said can be intimidating, also can take time to figure out, for example on
> the wiki you have a sewing machine, but I can't seem to find and I am not
> sure where I would use it in the space anyway, the person I spoke to
> suggested I spoke to Claire, what would be the best way of contacting her?,
> on list I'm not sure, just an example.
> Cheers
> Naomi
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgod...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> ++
>> -artag
>> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, Charles Yarnold <charlesyarn...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> > So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
>> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
>> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
>> longer serving members should know better by now.
>> > So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
>> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to
>> fix what I see as broken with the space.
>> > First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
>> no details:
>> > The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
>> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have now
>> added extra signs around the space to make it even more clear what you
>> should do. Over the next 2 weeks I will try my best to contact the owners
>> of items, but on Saturday the 23rd I will be removing all DNH items from
>> the space that have no contact details, end dates or have not contacted the
>> list as per the storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box
>> that don't even have a non completed DNH sticker.
>> > No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
>> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can
>> get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another
>> place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
>> members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
>> mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
>> > My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are
>> in the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be
>> easy to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
>> > I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
>> something I will have to live with I guess.
>> > Sol
>> > p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but
>> we all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make
>> things can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone
>> else to improve the space and our community.
Does this cover the items being stored in the "junk" room by the laser-cutter? Some of the parts for the Vacuum Station have been very hard to find, and I wouldn't want to see them chucked out. Especially since we're very close to having all the required bits.
I would offer to store them at my home instead, but there's no ready space here.
I'd hope there is some special exception for ongoing projects for the benefit of the space, particularly when no end-point is easy to predict.
I should note I have found a helium gas canister that should make a good vacuum chamber. It's a little undersized, but close enough in the absence of other parts. Probably a good candidate for using the new plasma-cutter on.
> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or
> bother to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And
> alot of longer serving members should know better by now.
> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want
> to fix what I see as broken with the space.
> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
> no details:
> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have
> nowadded extra signs
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around
> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday
> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no
> contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the
> storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even
> have a non completed DNH sticker.
> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That
> can get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in
> another place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of
> integration of new members is failure to do the basics, and reading the
> wiki, being on the mailing list and interacting with others are big
> things people need to do.
> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
> the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be
> easy to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
> something I will have to live with I guess.
> Sol
> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
> all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make
> things can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for
> someone else to improve the space and our community.
I'm Clare, and please do email me any questions you have.
Cheers Clare, will do.
I didn't actually visit on Tuesday it was on Monday, I joined before I
visited, I loved the idea of the space that
much!, thanks for taking my comments so well, I feel a bit better now.
And lastly "WELCOME!" I hope you have fun at the space and make some
awesome things, I'm one of the trustees of the space, normally found in a
labcoat named "solexious" and wearing a large bushy beard (for the male
geek striotype ;)
Thanks and I would be very disappointed if there wasn't any geek
stereotypes:)
Cheers
Naomi
Jun 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Clare Greenhalgh <claregreenha...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I'm Clare, and please do email me any questions you have.
> It will be great to meet up and chat (I am really busy with work at the
> moment, so sorry!) but if you see me there I have cat's eye glasses and
> red/black hair.
> Do email and I will happily advise here too,
> Have fun at the space, we are just trying to make it a better place to be,
> Clare
> aka
> Noko
> On 12 June 2012 22:45, Naomi Lehane <naomij...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Part of the issue of integration of new members is failure to do the
>> basics, and reading the wiki, being on the mailing list and interacting
>> with others are big things people need to do".
>> As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the
>> space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even
>> acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly showed me around, I
>> acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit, but it was a bit off putting,
>> although once past that initial awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.
>> It is a brilliant space, don't get me wrong, and one I will use, but as I
>> said can be intimidating, also can take time to figure out, for example on
>> the wiki you have a sewing machine, but I can't seem to find and I am not
>> sure where I would use it in the space anyway, the person I spoke to
>> suggested I spoke to Claire, what would be the best way of contacting her?,
>> on list I'm not sure, just an example.
>> Cheers
>> Naomi
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgod...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> ++
>>> -artag
>>> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, Charles Yarnold <charlesyarn...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hello all,
>>> > So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
>>> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
>>> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
>>> longer serving members should know better by now.
>>> > So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
>>> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to
>>> fix what I see as broken with the space.
>>> > First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
>>> no details:
>>> > The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
>>> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have now
>>> added extra signs around the space to make it even more clear what you
>>> should do. Over the next 2 weeks I will try my best to contact the owners
>>> of items, but on Saturday the 23rd I will be removing all DNH items from
>>> the space that have no contact details, end dates or have not contacted the
>>> list as per the storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box
>>> that don't even have a non completed DNH sticker.
>>> > No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
>>> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can
>>> get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another
>>> place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
>>> members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
>>> mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
>>> > My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are
>>> in the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be
>>> easy to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
>>> > I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
>>> something I will have to live with I guess.
>>> > Sol
>>> > p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but
>>> we all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make
>>> things can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone
>>> else to improve the space and our community.
On 12 June 2012 23:44, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
> Does this cover the items being stored in the "junk" room by the
> laser-cutter? Some of the parts for the Vacuum Station have been very hard
> to find, and I wouldn't want to see them chucked out. Especially since we're
> very close to having all the required bits.
> I would offer to store them at my home instead, but there's no ready space
> here.
> I'd hope there is some special exception for ongoing projects for the
> benefit of the space, particularly when no end-point is easy to predict.
Put a do-not-hack sticker on them with a guess as to it's completion.
If it takes longer, you can put a new sticker on. If things aren't
being worked on frequently enough to update the stickers on them, then
I don't think they should be in the space, beneficial or not.
Tshirts with "Official Guide" or such on would be pretty cheap to get/make. Would make the space seem more organised (hehe), and make it obvious who to go to when someone new arrives on a Tuesday.
The tri-weekly LondonFurs meets have several people with bright red "Staff" T-shirts, and it really helps that even newbies can instantly know who to go to if there's questions or problems.
> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:45:56 PM UTC+1, naomijlea wrote:
> As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into
> the space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I
> wasn't even acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly
> showed me around, I acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit,
> but it was a bit off putting, although once past that initial
> awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.
> This was actually said to me on Saturday at the Helicopter Picnic. Two
> people independently told me in the pub afterwards that they had gone to
> the space, on a Tuesday social night, but felt intimidated as nobody
> greeted them, nobody tried to talk to them and most people had earphones
> on whilst staring at a laptop. Nobody offered to show them around and
> they were wondering what part of the night was the social bit. They hung
> around for an hour or so but left after this as they felt like a
> gooseberry. They said they did not feel like they wanted to come back
> after this and havent been back since.
We do actually have a tour guide high vis jacket, just that no one wants to
wear it. We used to be great at welcoming people on a Tuesday, we just need
to get that spirit back and less "drop in and tune out" users of the space
imho
On 12 June 2012 23:58, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
> Tshirts with "Official Guide" or such on would be pretty cheap to
> get/make. Would make the space seem more organised (hehe), and make it
> obvious who to go to when someone new arrives on a Tuesday.
> The tri-weekly LondonFurs meets have several people with bright red
> "Staff" T-shirts, and it really helps that even newbies can instantly know
> who to go to if there's questions or problems.
> On 12/06/2012 23:19, Earthshine wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:45:56 PM UTC+1, naomijlea wrote:
>> As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into
>> the space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I
>> wasn't even acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly
>> showed me around, I acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit,
>> but it was a bit off putting, although once past that initial
>> awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.
>> This was actually said to me on Saturday at the Helicopter Picnic. Two
>> people independently told me in the pub afterwards that they had gone to
>> the space, on a Tuesday social night, but felt intimidated as nobody
>> greeted them, nobody tried to talk to them and most people had earphones
>> on whilst staring at a laptop. Nobody offered to show them around and
>> they were wondering what part of the night was the social bit. They hung
>> around for an hour or so but left after this as they felt like a
>> gooseberry. They said they did not feel like they wanted to come back
>> after this and havent been back since.
> We do actually have a tour guide high vis jacket, just that no one wants
> to wear it. We used to be great at welcoming people on a Tuesday, we
> just need to get that spirit back and less "drop in and tune out" users
> of the space imho
> On 12 June 2012 23:58, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com
> <mailto:s...@sci-fi-fox.com>> wrote:
> Tshirts with "Official Guide" or such on would be pretty cheap to
> get/make. Would make the space seem more organised (hehe), and make
> it obvious who to go to when someone new arrives on a Tuesday.
> The tri-weekly LondonFurs meets have several people with bright red
> "Staff" T-shirts, and it really helps that even newbies can
> instantly know who to go to if there's questions or problems.
> On 12/06/2012 23:19, Earthshine wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:45:56 PM UTC+1, naomijlea wrote:
> As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating
> walking into
> the space for the first time, when I went in for the first
> time, I
> wasn't even acknowledged by any one, except one person who
> kindly
> showed me around, I acknowledge confidence is not my strong
> suit,
> but it was a bit off putting, although once past that initial
> awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.
> This was actually said to me on Saturday at the Helicopter
> Picnic. Two
> people independently told me in the pub afterwards that they had
> gone to
> the space, on a Tuesday social night, but felt intimidated as nobody
> greeted them, nobody tried to talk to them and most people had
> earphones
> on whilst staring at a laptop. Nobody offered to show them
> around and
> they were wondering what part of the night was the social bit.
> They hung
> around for an hour or so but left after this as they felt like a
> gooseberry. They said they did not feel like they wanted to come
> back
> after this and havent been back since.
> On 12 June 2012 23:44, Peter "Sci" Turpin<s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
>> Does this cover the items being stored in the "junk" room by the
>> laser-cutter? Some of the parts for the Vacuum Station have been very hard
>> to find, and I wouldn't want to see them chucked out. Especially since we're
>> very close to having all the required bits.
>> I would offer to store them at my home instead, but there's no ready space
>> here.
>> I'd hope there is some special exception for ongoing projects for the
>> benefit of the space, particularly when no end-point is easy to predict.
> Put a do-not-hack sticker on them with a guess as to it's completion.
> If it takes longer, you can put a new sticker on. If things aren't
> being worked on frequently enough to update the stickers on them, then
> I don't think they should be in the space, beneficial or not.
> I'll see if I can scratch up some extra boxes to tidy the parts up more
> and come in saturday to update the stickers.
> On 12/06/2012 23:57, Jim MacArthur wrote:
>> On 12 June 2012 23:44, Peter "Sci" Turpin<s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
>>> Does this cover the items being stored in the "junk" room by the
>>> laser-cutter? Some of the parts for the Vacuum Station have been very
>>> hard
>>> to find, and I wouldn't want to see them chucked out. Especially since
>>> we're
>>> very close to having all the required bits.
>>> I would offer to store them at my home instead, but there's no ready
>>> space
>>> here.
>>> I'd hope there is some special exception for ongoing projects for the
>>> benefit of the space, particularly when no end-point is easy to predict.
>> Put a do-not-hack sticker on them with a guess as to it's completion.
>> If it takes longer, you can put a new sticker on. If things aren't
>> being worked on frequently enough to update the stickers on them, then
>> I don't think they should be in the space, beneficial or not.
> Does this cover the items being stored in the "junk" room by the
> laser-cutter? Some of the parts for the Vacuum Station have been very
> hard to find, and I wouldn't want to see them chucked out. Especially
> since we're very close to having all the required bits.
> I would offer to store them at my home instead, but there's no ready
> space here.
> I'd hope there is some special exception for ongoing projects for the
> benefit of the space, particularly when no end-point is easy to predict.
> I should note I have found a helium gas canister that should make a good
> vacuum chamber. It's a little undersized, but close enough in the
> absence of other parts. Probably a good candidate for using the new
> plasma-cutter on.
> Sci
> On 12/06/2012 22:09, Charles Yarnold wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
> > members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or
> > bother to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And
> > alot of longer serving members should know better by now.
> > So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
> > the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want
> > to fix what I see as broken with the space.
> > First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
> > no details:
> > The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
> > storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have
> > nowadded extra signs
> > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around
> > the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
> > weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday
> > the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no
> > contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the
> > storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even
> > have a non completed DNH sticker.
> > No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
> > should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That
> > can get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in
> > another place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of
> > integration of new members is failure to do the basics, and reading the
> > wiki, being on the mailing list and interacting with others are big
> > things people need to do.
> > My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
> > the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be
> > easy to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
> > I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
> > something I will have to live with I guess.
> > Sol
> > p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
> > all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make
> > things can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for
> > someone else to improve the space and our community.
Or alternately perhaps it could store things for space-usage? Like those uninstalled power-strips that were laying about last week? Or other parts needing instalation. Basically a stock-cupboard of "official" bits.
> I'd love the "junk room" converted to more members box storage. It's
> horribly under-utilized space.
> ~Akki
> On Jun 12, 11:44 pm, "Peter \"Sci\" Turpin"<s...@sci-fi-fox.com>
> wrote:
>> Does this cover the items being stored in the "junk" room by the
>> laser-cutter? Some of the parts for the Vacuum Station have been very
>> hard to find, and I wouldn't want to see them chucked out. Especially
>> since we're very close to having all the required bits.
>> I would offer to store them at my home instead, but there's no ready
>> space here.
>> I'd hope there is some special exception for ongoing projects for the
>> benefit of the space, particularly when no end-point is easy to predict.
>> I should note I have found a helium gas canister that should make a good
>> vacuum chamber. It's a little undersized, but close enough in the
>> absence of other parts. Probably a good candidate for using the new
>> plasma-cutter on.
>> Sci
>> On 12/06/2012 22:09, Charles Yarnold wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
>>> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or
>>> bother to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And
>>> alot of longer serving members should know better by now.
>>> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
>>> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want
>>> to fix what I see as broken with the space.
>>> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
>>> no details:
>>> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
>>> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have
>>> nowadded extra signs
>>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around
>>> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
>>> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday
>>> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no
>>> contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the
>>> storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even
>>> have a non completed DNH sticker.
>>> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
>>> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That
>>> can get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in
>>> another place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of
>>> integration of new members is failure to do the basics, and reading the
>>> wiki, being on the mailing list and interacting with others are big
>>> things people need to do.
>>> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
>>> the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be
>>> easy to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
>>> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
>>> something I will have to live with I guess.
>>> Sol
>>> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
>>> all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make
>>> things can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for
>>> someone else to improve the space and our community.
Also, sol in the workshop is my shelf to attach to the metal working bench.
All the bits are there but I've kept forgetting to get hold of the long
screws needed to attach it. Feel free to ditch it or attach it yourself (or
put it near my box and poke me to fix it when I get back).
S
PS the idea was to attach a shelf that crap could be cleared into from the
bench top to aid in times when people leave their shit out.
On 13 June 2012 07:18, tom <bollocks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i'm all up for revisiting the idea of "members only unless its a tuesday"
> again, at least that way its a designated time where we can show people
> around and guarantee we'll get nothing done :)
> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:09:41 PM UTC+1, Solexious wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
>> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
>> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
>> longer serving members should know better by now.
>> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
>> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to
>> fix what I see as broken with the space.
>> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with no
>> details:
>> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
>> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have nowadded extra signs
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around
>> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
>> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday
>> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no
>> contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the
>> storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even
>> have a non completed DNH sticker.
>> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
>> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can
>> get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another
>> place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
>> members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
>> mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
>> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
>> the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be easy
>> to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
>> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
>> something I will have to live with I guess.
>> Sol
>> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
>> all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make things
>> can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone else
>> to improve the space and our community.
I dropped in to visit for the first time last night and I apparently had an
unusually good experience, got shown round, found out about the awsome
stuff going on met lots of people.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:18 AM, SamLR <sam.lindenrat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to this.
> Also, sol in the workshop is my shelf to attach to the metal working
> bench. All the bits are there but I've kept forgetting to get hold of the
> long screws needed to attach it. Feel free to ditch it or attach it
> yourself (or put it near my box and poke me to fix it when I get back).
> S
> PS the idea was to attach a shelf that crap could be cleared into from the
> bench top to aid in times when people leave their shit out.
> On 13 June 2012 07:18, tom <bollocks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> i'm all up for revisiting the idea of "members only unless its a tuesday"
>> again, at least that way its a designated time where we can show people
>> around and guarantee we'll get nothing done :)
>> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:09:41 PM UTC+1, Solexious wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
>>> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
>>> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
>>> longer serving members should know better by now.
>>> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
>>> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to
>>> fix what I see as broken with the space.
>>> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
>>> no details:
>>> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
>>> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have nowadded extra signs
>>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around
>>> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
>>> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday
>>> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no
>>> contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the
>>> storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even
>>> have a non completed DNH sticker.
>>> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
>>> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can
>>> get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another
>>> place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
>>> members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
>>> mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
>>> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
>>> the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be easy
>>> to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
>>> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
>>> something I will have to live with I guess.
>>> Sol
>>> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
>>> all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make things
>>> can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone else
>>> to improve the space and our community.
Can we get rid of some of the trolleys? We only need one multiple 2x2foot
platforms with wheels on are a deathtrap.
And the damned barstools. Unless they sprout metallic batwings in the next
48 hours then they have not had even one metric millifsck of hack done on
them.
Plasma cutter should be here by friday so maybe we can slice up offending
metallic items into a ready supply of material. Or make lots of metallic
H's and stick them on pikes. As a warning. Like Vlad the impaler, did. :p
/troll
On Jun 13, 2012 9:06 AM, "David Murphy" <murphy.da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I dropped in to visit for the first time last night and I apparently had
> an unusually good experience, got shown round, found out about the awsome
> stuff going on met lots of people.
> Will definitly be joining.
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:18 AM, SamLR <sam.lindenrat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 to this.
>> Also, sol in the workshop is my shelf to attach to the metal working
>> bench. All the bits are there but I've kept forgetting to get hold of the
>> long screws needed to attach it. Feel free to ditch it or attach it
>> yourself (or put it near my box and poke me to fix it when I get back).
>> S
>> PS the idea was to attach a shelf that crap could be cleared into from
>> the bench top to aid in times when people leave their shit out.
>> On 13 June 2012 07:18, tom <bollocks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> i'm all up for revisiting the idea of "members only unless its a
>>> tuesday" again, at least that way its a designated time where we can show
>>> people around and guarantee we'll get nothing done :)
>>> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:09:41 PM UTC+1, Solexious wrote:
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
>>>> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
>>>> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
>>>> longer serving members should know better by now.
>>>> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
>>>> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to
>>>> fix what I see as broken with the space.
>>>> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
>>>> no details:
>>>> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
>>>> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have nowadded extra signs
>>>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around
>>>> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
>>>> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday
>>>> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have
>>>> no contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the
>>>> storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even
>>>> have a non completed DNH sticker.
>>>> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
>>>> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can
>>>> get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another
>>>> place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
>>>> members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
>>>> mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
>>>> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are
>>>> in the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be
>>>> easy to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
>>>> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
>>>> something I will have to live with I guess.
>>>> Sol
>>>> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but
>>>> we all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make
>>>> things can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone
>>>> else to improve the space and our community.
Which bar stools are you referring to, because they were gone by
Saturday if they're the ones that I'm thinking of? The round ones with
blue leatherette cushions? The DNH had expired on them.
Enforcing policies is what all members have to do. If you see someone
storing something large, don't be afraid to ask them if they've asked
the mailing list about storing it.
I'm all for getting rid of that awkward trolley that is made of black
metal tubing and has a push handle like a shopping trolley. It takes
up a lot of space. Not sure if I'm describing it properly :)
~Akki
On Jun 13, 9:18 am, Simon Howes <simonhowes...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Can we get rid of some of the trolleys? We only need one multiple 2x2foot
> platforms with wheels on are a deathtrap.
> And the damned barstools. Unless they sprout metallic batwings in the next
> 48 hours then they have not had even one metric millifsck of hack done on
> them.
> Plasma cutter should be here by friday so maybe we can slice up offending
> metallic items into a ready supply of material. Or make lots of metallic
> H's and stick them on pikes. As a warning. Like Vlad the impaler, did. :p
> /troll
> On Jun 13, 2012 9:06 AM, "David Murphy" <murphy.da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I dropped in to visit for the first time last night and I apparently had
> > an unusually good experience, got shown round, found out about the awsome
> > stuff going on met lots of people.
> > Will definitly be joining.
> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:18 AM, SamLR <sam.lindenrat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> +1 to this.
> >> Also, sol in the workshop is my shelf to attach to the metal working
> >> bench. All the bits are there but I've kept forgetting to get hold of the
> >> long screws needed to attach it. Feel free to ditch it or attach it
> >> yourself (or put it near my box and poke me to fix it when I get back).
> >> S
> >> PS the idea was to attach a shelf that crap could be cleared into from
> >> the bench top to aid in times when people leave their shit out.
> >> On 13 June 2012 07:18, tom <bollocks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> i'm all up for revisiting the idea of "members only unless its a
> >>> tuesday" again, at least that way its a designated time where we can show
> >>> people around and guarantee we'll get nothing done :)
> >>> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:09:41 PM UTC+1, Solexious wrote:
> >>>> Hello all,
> >>>> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
> >>>> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
> >>>> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
> >>>> longer serving members should know better by now.
> >>>> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit
> >>>> the space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to
> >>>> fix what I see as broken with the space.
> >>>> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with
> >>>> no details:
> >>>> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
> >>>> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have nowadded extra signs
> >>>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around
> >>>> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
> >>>> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday
> >>>> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have
> >>>> no contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the
> >>>> storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even
> >>>> have a non completed DNH sticker.
> >>>> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
> >>>> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can
> >>>> get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another
> >>>> place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
> >>>> members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
> >>>> mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
> >>>> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are
> >>>> in the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be
> >>>> easy to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
> >>>> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
> >>>> something I will have to live with I guess.
> >>>> Sol
> >>>> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but
> >>>> we all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make
> >>>> things can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone
> >>>> else to improve the space and our community.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 03:19:35PM -0700, Earthshine wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:45:56 PM UTC+1, naomijlea wrote:
> > As a new member I can say it can be quite intimidating walking into the > > space for the first time, when I went in for the first time, I wasn't even > > acknowledged by any one, except one person who kindly showed me around, I > > acknowledge confidence is not my strong suit, but it was a bit off putting, > > although once past that initial awkwardness, I felt fine on my own.
> This was actually said to me on Saturday at the Helicopter Picnic. Two > people independently told me in the pub afterwards that they had gone to > the space, on a Tuesday social night, but felt intimidated as nobody > greeted them, nobody tried to talk to them and most people had earphones on > whilst staring at a laptop. Nobody offered to show them around and they > were wondering what part of the night was the social bit. They hung around > for an hour or so but left after this as they felt like a gooseberry. They > said they did not feel like they wanted to come back after this and havent > been back since.
> Read into this what you will.
I had a similar experience, and was only saved by already knowing akki
and sully. Admittedly this was not a Tuesday.
> So, I'm fed up with how people treat the space these days, alot of new
> members don't seem interested in integrating into the community, or bother
> to seek out how to correctly behave in a community like ours. And alot of
> longer serving members should know better by now.
> So I'm working through the things that are making me not want to visit the
> space these days, this isn't aimed at anyone personally I just want to fix
> what I see as broken with the space.
> First up, the amount of junk, rubbish and DNH things in the space with no
> details:
> The rules for storing items in the space have been up at the members
> storage area and on the wiki since forever, its nothing new. I have nowadded extra signs
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/solexious/7170754539/in/photostream>around
> the space to make it even more clear what you should do. Over the next 2
> weeks I will try my best to contact the owners of items, but on Saturday
> the 23rd I will be removing *all* DNH items from the space that have no
> contact details, end dates or have not contacted the list as per the
> storage rules. Also any other items not in a members box that don't even
> have a non completed DNH sticker.
> No "I will look after it with my name of for that person" no "but we
> should keep it for them encase they don't read the mailing list" "That can
> get broken down into useful parts" for the item to just sit in another
> place for weeks still in one piece. Part of the issue of integration of new
> members is failure to do the basics, and reading the wiki, being on the
> mailing list and interacting with others are big things people need to do.
> My aim is to get us back to a 'zero' state, as at the moment were are in
> the situation where mess begets mess. Once there my hope is it will be easy
> to spot items that should not be there and dispose of them swiftly.
> I'm sure this will make me unpopular with some people, but this is
> something I will have to live with I guess.
> Sol
> p.s. I'm doing this as a member of the space, I know i'm no angel but we
> all have the power to make it a better "space where people who make things
> can come to share tools and knowledge" please don't wait for someone else
> to improve the space and our community.
