Not sure if entirely relevant.
But the Hamburg Chanology cell does just this. Big central house, with
I think 8 people sharing and 100mbit fibre between them.
Over the past few years its sort of morphed into in the central HQ of
most german anonymous freedom of information campaigning.
When ever I've stopped there its felt more like kipping in some evil
geniuses underground volcano layer with beds in the workspaces for the
amount of tech running. It's industrial style machines and toolsets
short of being a functional hackspace in its own right.
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 06:40:44PM +0100, Aden wrote:
>> People are always looking for places to move to, and every
>> attempt I've made to get a hacker house share has failed, so the
>> best way is to take over an existing house share by stealth... So
>> thought I'd post this here, go ahead and flame me if you like.
> How about a hacker housing co-op?
> Robert
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1. For sale by auction at a guide price of £250 000
2. Vacant Freehold Building
3. Number of Bedrooms: 8
4. Number of Bathrooms: 2
5. Number of Reception Rooms: 2
6. Need quite a lot of work done to it
7. 15 mins walk from the current space
I don't really want to get involved with this project (although I
think it's an extremely noble effort), and I don't want to come across
the wrong way. However, I have to step in here as I've lived pretty
much all of my life in houses being refurbished.
That house does not "need quite a lot of work done to it". The house I
moved into three years ago needed "quite a lot of work done to it",
and I still haven't finished it. That place is going to take at least
£200k and at least eight months (of lost rent) to get to a state where
you can live in it, if you get a commercial builder to work on it.
(At that price, it's still a bit of a bargain, but I wouldn't
recommend it to anyone who doesn't have experience doing this
stuff...)
Yeh, thanks russ, looks interesting, I agree though it would take a while
before we're able to move in. I really don't have a lot of experience in
this area, although I'm willing to put in the work, and spend the money to
try to get it into a livable state. I would really want to try to get an
estimate from someone that knows what they're talking about before going
into this.
Also this is mentioned for auction, do we know when the auction is? because
if its quite soon, we'd have to move quickly to figure out what we can do.
I think if its going to be something we'd have to do in a rush, I'd rather
leave this one and try to do things right, than rush everything through and
possibly get into a mess. However, if we can get proper estimates of the
work, and work out our own budgets first, then i'd be happy to give it a go.
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Russ Garrett <r...@garrett.co.uk> wrote:
> On 31 October 2012 00:36, Eugene Nadyrshin <menta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In a quick search I've found this property which is the sortof place I
> had
> > in mind:
> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-24467049.html
> I don't really want to get involved with this project (although I
> think it's an extremely noble effort), and I don't want to come across
> the wrong way. However, I have to step in here as I've lived pretty
> much all of my life in houses being refurbished.
> That house does not "need quite a lot of work done to it". The house I
> moved into three years ago needed "quite a lot of work done to it",
> and I still haven't finished it. That place is going to take at least
> £200k and at least eight months (of lost rent) to get to a state where
> you can live in it, if you get a commercial builder to work on it.
> (At that price, it's still a bit of a bargain, but I wouldn't
> recommend it to anyone who doesn't have experience doing this
> stuff...)
> Yeh, thanks russ, looks interesting, I agree though it would take a while
> before we're able to move in. I really don't have a lot of experience in
> this area, although I'm willing to put in the work, and spend the money to
> try to get it into a livable state. I would really want to try to get an
> estimate from someone that knows what they're talking about before going
> into this.
> Also this is mentioned for auction, do we know when the auction is?
> because if its quite soon, we'd have to move quickly to figure out what we
> can do. I think if its going to be something we'd have to do in a rush,
> I'd rather leave this one and try to do things right, than rush everything
> through and possibly get into a mess. However, if we can get proper
> estimates of the work, and work out our own budgets first, then i'd be
> happy to give it a go.
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Russ Garrett <r...@garrett.co.uk> wrote:
>> I don't really want to get involved with this project (although I
>> think it's an extremely noble effort), and I don't want to come across
>> the wrong way. However, I have to step in here as I've lived pretty
>> much all of my life in houses being refurbished.
>> That house does not "need quite a lot of work done to it". The house I
>> moved into three years ago needed "quite a lot of work done to it",
>> and I still haven't finished it. That place is going to take at least
>> £200k and at least eight months (of lost rent) to get to a state where
>> you can live in it, if you get a commercial builder to work on it.
>> (At that price, it's still a bit of a bargain, but I wouldn't
>> recommend it to anyone who doesn't have experience doing this
>> stuff...)
I should have made this clear but this was more that show the type of property that I had in mind and to see what people think. I didn't necessarily mean this EXACT property.
I personally would rather buy something that needs fixing, put in the work and possibly get it finished professionally. As opposed to buying a newly built/redeveloped building an an inflated price. Is that the
general thinking here or am I kidding myself?
Either way it would be interesting what price it <http://www.auction.co.uk/residential/lotDetailsEmail.asp?A=826&RQ=SR&...> goes for! Also this property is being auctioned off on behalf of the Hackney Council, it may be worth approaching them directly with our proposal and see if they have something similar building in the area, that maybe isn't on the market yet. Councils are under pressure to bring abandoned building back into use.
> Ahh damn, auction tomorrow, thats a definate no then :( although > similar properties may be viable
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Martin (Crypt) > <crysi...@googlemail.com <mailto:crysi...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> Yeh, thanks russ, looks interesting, I agree though it would take
> a while before we're able to move in. I really don't have a lot
> of experience in this area, although I'm willing to put in the
> work, and spend the money to try to get it into a livable state. > I would really want to try to get an estimate from someone that
> knows what they're talking about before going into this.
> Also this is mentioned for auction, do we know when the auction
> is? because if its quite soon, we'd have to move quickly to figure
> out what we can do. I think if its going to be something we'd
> have to do in a rush, I'd rather leave this one and try to do
> things right, than rush everything through and possibly get into a
> mess. However, if we can get proper estimates of the work, and
> work out our own budgets first, then i'd be happy to give it a go.
> I should have made this clear but this was more that show the type of
> property that I had in mind and to see what people think. I didn't
> necessarily mean this EXACT property.
> I personally would rather buy something that needs fixing, put in the work
> and possibly get it finished professionally. As opposed to buying a newly
> built/redeveloped building an an inflated price. Is that the
> general thinking here or am I kidding myself?
> Either way it would be interesting what price it<http://www.auction.co.uk/residential/lotDetailsEmail.asp?A=826&RQ=SR&...>goes for! Also this property is being auctioned off on behalf of the
> Hackney Council, it may be worth approaching them directly with our
> proposal and see if they have something similar building in the area, that
> maybe isn't on the market yet. Councils are under pressure to bring
> abandoned building back into use.
> On 31/10/12 08:33, Martin (Crypt) wrote:
> Ahh damn, auction tomorrow, thats a definate no then :( although similar
> properties may be viable
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Martin (Crypt) <crysi...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>> Yeh, thanks russ, looks interesting, I agree though it would take a while
>> before we're able to move in. I really don't have a lot of experience in
>> this area, although I'm willing to put in the work, and spend the money to
>> try to get it into a livable state. I would really want to try to get an
>> estimate from someone that knows what they're talking about before going
>> into this.
>> Also this is mentioned for auction, do we know when the auction is?
>> because if its quite soon, we'd have to move quickly to figure out what we
>> can do. I think if its going to be something we'd have to do in a rush,
>> I'd rather leave this one and try to do things right, than rush everything
>> through and possibly get into a mess. However, if we can get proper
>> estimates of the work, and work out our own budgets first, then i'd be
>> happy to give it a go.
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On Saturday, 20 October 2012 19:05:36 UTC+1, Robert Morris wrote:
> Hi,
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 06:40:44PM +0100, Aden wrote: > > People are always looking for places to move to, and every attempt > > I've made to get a hacker house share has failed, so the best way is > > to take over an existing house share by stealth... So thought I'd post > > this here, go ahead and flame me if you like.
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 10:53:59AM -0800, Cadmus wrote:
> Interested in this sort of thing, anything that allows my current standard > of living or better for the same or less money has my interest.
Just to point out, a housing co-op is not:
1. A route to subsidised housing (some older housing co-ops got grant
funding in the 70s/80s but this option went away a long time ago)
2. A magic bubble in which the normal rules of the neo-liberal housing
market in this country do not apply
3. A way to put less effort into the place that you live
However, what it is is a way to take control, and have a more pro-active
input into your own housing than you get from private renting - or even
in some respects owning a flat leasehold. It gives you:
1. The opportunity to live collectively within an environment where
collaboration and co-operation are written in from day one - so there is a
commitment for you and your housemates to work together to resolve any
issues, not ignore them (or one another!)
2. The possibility of working on various Hackspace-type projects on your own
building (for example here at The Drive we've installed rainwater
collection, and we're talking about building our own clothes-drying room;
we've also done numerous "DIY" tasks around the place)
3. Knowing that the effort and money you're putting in is going to be kept
for the benefit of future occupants of the house (or the wider housing co-op
movement), and not extracted to fund someone else's lifestyle
These will be the things I'll be talking about on Wed 14th (or whenever the
meeting happens).
Hi, I want to move to London to live there and join your Hackerspace. I'm really interested in hacker co-op housing. I have some experience in house refurbishment (plumbing, electrical, drywall, finishing, painting).
> Hi,
> I want to move to London to live there and join your Hackerspace.
> I'm really interested in hacker co-op housing.
> I have some experience in house refurbishment (plumbing, electrical,
> drywall, finishing, painting).
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12:03PM +0000, Eugene Nadyrshin wrote:
> Yeah, let's get this off the ground!
> 7pm in the "common" area
I'll be coming to you from Mile End climbing wall so it will probably be
about 7:30 by the time I've got changed etc and got over there.
I'm afraid I can only spend an hour because I have to get back to my housing
co-op to catch the tail end of our meeting. However I can hopefully at least
give you some pointers to get started and I can spend more time with you in
future as things develop.
I've had a little bit of experience with this kind of thing:
* Stayed in Chez JJ, a hacker house in California. Interesting crowd of people, diverse lot. Quite a few short-term tenants. They finance themselves (either in part or full - I'm not sure) thru letting people stay via airbnb, but they're selective about who they let in. 45 USD/night was what I paid. www.chezjj.com * Stayed in Human Hacker House in California for a few nights. The people who live there are more long-term and know each other pretty well, so a bit more difficult to break into the group. Home to a lot of quantified self folks. They let hackers stay for free.
I'd love to see one of these actually take off in London. If anyone wants to get in touch with any of the groups I mentioned above, let me know and I can introduce you
On Sunday, October 21, 2012 2:05:36 AM UTC+8, Robert Morris wrote:
> Hi,
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 06:40:44PM +0100, Aden wrote: > > People are always looking for places to move to, and every attempt > > I've made to get a hacker house share has failed, so the best way is > > to take over an existing house share by stealth... So thought I'd post > > this here, go ahead and flame me if you like.
Sorry I'm still in latvia, so unable to make it to the meeting tonight.
I'll be back at the end of the week though, and still definately interested
in starting this up, so let me know what you decide.
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12:03PM +0000, Eugene Nadyrshin wrote:
> > Yeah, let's get this off the ground!
> > 7pm in the "common" area
> I'll be coming to you from Mile End climbing wall so it will probably be
> about 7:30 by the time I've got changed etc and got over there.
> I'm afraid I can only spend an hour because I have to get back to my
> housing
> co-op to catch the tail end of our meeting. However I can hopefully at
> least
> give you some pointers to get started and I can spend more time with you in
> future as things develop.
> Sorry I'm still in latvia, so unable to make it to the meeting tonight.
> I'll be back at the end of the week though, and still definately interested
> in starting this up, so let me know what you decide.
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Robert Morris <
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12:03PM +0000, Eugene Nadyrshin wrote:
> > > Yeah, let's get this off the ground!
> > > 7pm in the "common" area
> > I'll be coming to you from Mile End climbing wall so it will probably be
> > about 7:30 by the time I've got changed etc and got over there.
> > I'm afraid I can only spend an hour because I have to get back to my
> > housing
> > co-op to catch the tail end of our meeting. However I can hopefully at
> > least
> > give you some pointers to get started and I can spend more time with you in
> > future as things develop.
14/11/12 10:12, Billy wrote:
> Don't worry about not being there, Martin. If you're setting up a co-
> op, well, it's in the name.
> We'll need to record what was discussed, and make it available to all
> the people who are setting this up.
> It'll be good practise for the long run.
> On 14 Nov, 09:15, "Martin (Crypt)" <crysi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Sorry I'm still in latvia, so unable to make it to the meeting tonight.
>> I'll be back at the end of the week though, and still definately interested
>> in starting this up, so let me know what you decide.
>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Robert Morris <
>> list-london-hack-sp...@r-morris.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12:03PM +0000, Eugene Nadyrshin wrote:
>>>> Yeah, let's get this off the ground!
>>>> 7pm in the "common" area
>>> I'll be coming to you from Mile End climbing wall so it will probably be
>>> about 7:30 by the time I've got changed etc and got over there.
>>> I'm afraid I can only spend an hour because I have to get back to my
>>> housing
>>> co-op to catch the tail end of our meeting. However I can hopefully at
>>> least
>>> give you some pointers to get started and I can spend more time with you in
>>> future as things develop.
>>> See you tomorrow,
>>> Robert
Right, we had the initial meeting, and my brain is now trying to de-fragment all that I've learned on the topic today.
A big thanks to Robert Morris for coming over and sharing his experiences and knowledge with us and answering the questions (and probably being late for the meeting of his coop!)
1. Get a list of potential properties,and add to the table in the
section below
2. Put together a list of committed members, skill-sets
3. Set up regular group meeting
Remember this will only work if we, *as a group*, put the effort in, so please start adding properties to the wiki and if add yourselves and your skill-set. If you are wiki-handicap then email me and I'll add the data on.
> Billy is just finishing with a tour and we are meeting informally near > the printers!
> 14/11/12 10:12, Billy wrote:
>> Don't worry about not being there, Martin. If you're setting up a co-
>> op, well, it's in the name.
>> We'll need to record what was discussed, and make it available to all
>> the people who are setting this up.
>> It'll be good practise for the long run.
>> On 14 Nov, 09:15, "Martin (Crypt)" <crysi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Sorry I'm still in latvia, so unable to make it to the meeting tonight.
>>> I'll be back at the end of the week though, and still definately >>> interested
>>> in starting this up, so let me know what you decide.
>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Robert Morris <
>>> list-london-hack-sp...@r-morris.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12:03PM +0000, Eugene Nadyrshin wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, let's get this off the ground!
>>>>> 7pm in the "common" area
>>>> I'll be coming to you from Mile End climbing wall so it will >>>> probably be
>>>> about 7:30 by the time I've got changed etc and got over there.
>>>> I'm afraid I can only spend an hour because I have to get back to my
>>>> housing
>>>> co-op to catch the tail end of our meeting. However I can hopefully at
>>>> least
>>>> give you some pointers to get started and I can spend more time >>>> with you in
>>>> future as things develop.
>>>> See you tomorrow,
>>>> Robert
I hope I haven't missed the boat on this. I live at, and am pretty heavily
involved in, a pretty successful housing coop in south-east london (Sanford
Housing Coop), and I swear by the model. If I can be involved with this,
hopefully to your benefit (and I'm not sure whether I'd want to move out of
Sanford, to be honest) maybe to mine, that would be awesome. Like Francis
(but with far less experience - I'm only a trainee solicitor) I can bring
legal assistance, and hopefully several years' worth of experience with
Sanford that may be translatable to this project.
You're all very, very welcome to come and visit Sanford - just get in touch!
On 15 November 2012 02:42, Eugene Nadyrshin <menta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right, we had the initial meeting, and my brain is now trying to
> de-fragment all that I've learned on the topic today.
> A big thanks to Robert Morris for coming over and sharing his experiences
> and knowledge with us and answering the questions (and probably being late
> for the meeting of his coop!)
> 1. Get a list of potential properties,and add to the table in the
> section below
> 2. Put together a list of committed members, skill-sets
> 3. Set up regular group meeting
> Remember this will only work if we, *as a group*, put the effort in, so
> please start adding properties to the wiki and if add yourselves and your
> skill-set. If you are wiki-handicap then email me and I'll add the data on.
> Billy is just finishing with a tour and we are meeting informally near the
> printers!
> 14/11/12 10:12, Billy wrote:
> Don't worry about not being there, Martin. If you're setting up a co-
> op, well, it's in the name.
> We'll need to record what was discussed, and make it available to all
> the people who are setting this up.
> It'll be good practise for the long run.
> On 14 Nov, 09:15, "Martin (Crypt)" <crysi...@googlemail.com><crysi...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> Sorry I'm still in latvia, so unable to make it to the meeting tonight.
> I'll be back at the end of the week though, and still definately
> interested
> in starting this up, so let me know what you decide.
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Robert Morris <
> Hi,
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12:03PM +0000, Eugene Nadyrshin wrote:
> Yeah, let's get this off the ground!
> 7pm in the "common" area
> I'll be coming to you from Mile End climbing wall so it will probably be
> about 7:30 by the time I've got changed etc and got over there.
> I'm afraid I can only spend an hour because I have to get back to my
> housing
> co-op to catch the tail end of our meeting. However I can hopefully at
> least
> give you some pointers to get started and I can spend more time with you
> in
> future as things develop.
> See you tomorrow,
> Robert
You've not missed the boat at all don't worry, we are still at the very early stages of the initiative.
Thanks for offering to help with the legal assistance, it's great to see others willing to help out. Getting organised and started is by far the biggest hurdle and that's what we are doing now. I've just moved out of my place myself so should be able to spend more time on this. Will arrange for a new meetup before xmas!
> I hope I haven't missed the boat on this. I live at, and am pretty > heavily involved in, a pretty successful housing coop in south-east > london (Sanford Housing Coop), and I swear by the model. If I can be > involved with this, hopefully to your benefit (and I'm not sure > whether I'd want to move out of Sanford, to be honest) maybe to mine, > that would be awesome. Like Francis (but with far less experience - > I'm only a trainee solicitor) I can bring legal assistance, and > hopefully several years' worth of experience with Sanford that may be > translatable to this project.
> You're all very, very welcome to come and visit Sanford - just get in > touch!
I am also a member of Sanford Housing Co-op (for 12 years now!) and put Phil on to you i think.... Anyway, Sanford is currently almost continually receiving Loanstock requests to support new housing co-op set-ups.
Would any of you like to see the various applications / business plans? I could forward / upload them, they must be of some benefit to you. Perhaps Francis could appraise one if the rest of you single one out as good looking? Business is not my strong point unfortunately.
Lastly apologies for not being around / available for the Hacker's Co-op visit to Sanford last Wednesday. How did it go?
