Do people think it would make sense to split this list? E.g.:
- lhs-org: anything relating to the space itself, the organisation, the tools, membership questions, etc
- lhs-discuss: member projects, requests for help/advice, chatter
We started an infrastructure list a long time ago which is essentially unused; maybe because it is a bit too specific, but also because we had much less traffic on the main list back then.
Otoh there's now much more project chatter and random discussion, and it would be nice to give those discussions a bit more space.
I still think the infrastructure list should be an automatic subscription for all members, a requirement of membership. Then use it for putting out the official updates, schedules and such. Like a newsletter.
> Do people think it would make sense to split this list? E.g.:
> - lhs-org: anything relating to the space itself, the organisation, the tools, membership questions, etc
> - lhs-discuss: member projects, requests for help/advice, chatter
> We started an infrastructure list a long time ago which is essentially unused; maybe because it is a bit too specific, but also because we had much less traffic on the main list back then.
> Otoh there's now much more project chatter and random discussion, and it would be nice to give those discussions a bit more space.
There's an "announce" list for announcements. I like the idea of automatically subscribing members to that list; although it seems atm nobody actively posts there either.
> I still think the infrastructure list should be an automatic subscription for all members, a requirement of membership. Then use it for putting out the official updates, schedules and such. Like a newsletter.
> On 07/10/2012 13:45, Martin Dittus wrote:
>> Hey,
>> Do people think it would make sense to split this list? E.g.:
>> - lhs-org: anything relating to the space itself, the organisation, the tools, membership questions, etc
>> - lhs-discuss: member projects, requests for help/advice, chatter
>> We started an infrastructure list a long time ago which is essentially unused; maybe because it is a bit too specific, but also because we had much less traffic on the main list back then.
>> Otoh there's now much more project chatter and random discussion, and it would be nice to give those discussions a bit more space.
I would say that if members are going to be auto-subscribed to anything it
should be the announce list as, IIRC, it's set up so only a few people can
post. It can then become the canonical decision location. i.e. any
discussion from here can be summarised and cross-posted. This would make
the announce list both an excellent location for news but also allow it to
act as a sort of archive for important decisions.
S
On 7 October 2012 15:08, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There's an "announce" list for announcements. I like the idea of
> automatically subscribing members to that list; although it seems atm
> nobody actively posts there either.
> m.
> On 7 Oct 2012, at 15:00, Peter Sci Turpin wrote:
> > I still think the infrastructure list should be an automatic
> subscription for all members, a requirement of membership. Then use it for
> putting out the official updates, schedules and such. Like a newsletter.
> > On 07/10/2012 13:45, Martin Dittus wrote:
> >> Hey,
> >> Do people think it would make sense to split this list? E.g.:
> >> - lhs-org: anything relating to the space itself, the organisation, the
> tools, membership questions, etc
> >> - lhs-discuss: member projects, requests for help/advice, chatter
> >> We started an infrastructure list a long time ago which is essentially
> unused; maybe because it is a bit too specific, but also because we had
> much less traffic on the main list back then.
> >> Otoh there's now much more project chatter and random discussion, and
> it would be nice to give those discussions a bit more space.
> Do people think it would make sense to split this list? E.g.:
> - lhs-org: anything relating to the space itself, the organisation, the tools, membership questions, etc
> - lhs-discuss: member projects, requests for help/advice, chatter
I've been on projects before where we've tried to do fine grained mailing lists and it hasn't really worked - people don't really understand which list they should post to and most things just end up on the main list.
It does work (ish) if you have very specific lists I would suggest:
------------------------------------------------
lhs-jobs:
This list is for posting available jobs or people looking for work. If you are posting about a job please include:
* Where it is.
* When it will start and end.
* Any compensation offered.
* Technologies and skills desired.
If you are looking for work please post:
* Where you are prepared to travel to.
* What your availability is.
* Rates, if relevent
* skills and links to testimonals and example projects that you have completed in the past.
------------------------------------------------
lhs-for-sale-or-swap:
This list is for hackspace members to advertise items they wish to sell or dispose of, or to for people who are looking for particular items.
------------------------------------------------
The reason for prefering a mailing list to the wiki is that mailing lists are more time orientated - the wiki tends to fill with out of date junk...
> We started an infrastructure list a long time ago which is essentially > unused; maybe because it is a bit too specific, but also because we had > much less traffic on the main list back then.
There's only a few people doing infrastructure stuff (mostly the kitchen) and they just meet face to face in the space afaict.
> Otoh there's now much more project chatter and random discussion, and it > would be nice to give those discussions a bit more space.
I think we need to be more disiplined about how we use the list, in particular:
If you are asking for a show of interest in something ask people replying to reply directly to you rather than to the list - a "+1" sent to the list does NOT contain any useful information for the several thousand people who will read it!
Yes, I agree that "org" is a difficult distinction to make, I don't
think we can successfully split that from everything else.
Getting job/skills offers off this list would be nice, but I suspect
splitting them out onto separate lists will simply kill their utility,
because nobody will subscribe. One possibility here is just to ban job
offers on the list outright. Another possibility is to condense all
these into a digest, and send that to everyone (basically what I'm
talking about is resurrecting the news email).
One possibility for "announce" is to have an email alias which
automatically goes to all subscribed members.
Russ
On 7 October 2012 21:06, Jasper Wallace <jas...@pointless.net> wrote:
>> Do people think it would make sense to split this list? E.g.:
>> - lhs-org: anything relating to the space itself, the organisation, the tools, membership questions, etc
>> - lhs-discuss: member projects, requests for help/advice, chatter
> I've been on projects before where we've tried to do fine grained mailing
> lists and it hasn't really worked - people don't really understand which
> list they should post to and most things just end up on the main list.
> It does work (ish) if you have very specific lists I would suggest:
> This list is for posting available jobs or people looking for work. If you
> are posting about a job please include:
> * Where it is.
> * When it will start and end.
> * Any compensation offered.
> * Technologies and skills desired.
> If you are looking for work please post:
> * Where you are prepared to travel to.
> * What your availability is.
> * Rates, if relevent
> * skills and links to testimonals and example projects that you have
> completed in the past.
> The reason for prefering a mailing list to the wiki is that mailing lists
> are more time orientated - the wiki tends to fill with out of date junk...
>> We started an infrastructure list a long time ago which is essentially
>> unused; maybe because it is a bit too specific, but also because we had
>> much less traffic on the main list back then.
> There's only a few people doing infrastructure stuff (mostly the kitchen)
> and they just meet face to face in the space afaict.
>> Otoh there's now much more project chatter and random discussion, and it
>> would be nice to give those discussions a bit more space.
> I think we need to be more disiplined about how we use the list, in
> particular:
> If you are asking for a show of interest in something ask people replying
> to reply directly to you rather than to the list - a "+1" sent to the list
> does NOT contain any useful information for the several thousand people
> who will read it!
> Yes, I agree that "org" is a difficult distinction to make, I don't
> think we can successfully split that from everything else.
> Getting job/skills offers off this list would be nice, but I suspect
> splitting them out onto separate lists will simply kill their utility,
> because nobody will subscribe. One possibility here is just to ban job
> offers on the list outright. Another possibility is to condense all
> these into a digest, and send that to everyone (basically what I'm
> talking about is resurrecting the news email).
> One possibility for "announce" is to have an email alias which
> automatically goes to all subscribed members.
> Russ
> On 7 October 2012 21:06, Jasper Wallace <jas...@pointless.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2012, Martin Dittus wrote:
>>> Hey,
>>> Do people think it would make sense to split this list? E.g.:
>>> - lhs-org: anything relating to the space itself, the organisation, the tools, membership questions, etc
>>> - lhs-discuss: member projects, requests for help/advice, chatter
>> I've been on projects before where we've tried to do fine grained mailing
>> lists and it hasn't really worked - people don't really understand which
>> list they should post to and most things just end up on the main list.
>> It does work (ish) if you have very specific lists I would suggest:
>> This list is for posting available jobs or people looking for work. If you
>> are posting about a job please include:
>> * Where it is.
>> * When it will start and end.
>> * Any compensation offered.
>> * Technologies and skills desired.
>> If you are looking for work please post:
>> * Where you are prepared to travel to.
>> * What your availability is.
>> * Rates, if relevent
>> * skills and links to testimonals and example projects that you have
>> completed in the past.
>> The reason for prefering a mailing list to the wiki is that mailing lists
>> are more time orientated - the wiki tends to fill with out of date junk...
>>> We started an infrastructure list a long time ago which is essentially
>>> unused; maybe because it is a bit too specific, but also because we had
>>> much less traffic on the main list back then.
>> There's only a few people doing infrastructure stuff (mostly the kitchen)
>> and they just meet face to face in the space afaict.
>>> Otoh there's now much more project chatter and random discussion, and it
>>> would be nice to give those discussions a bit more space.
>> I think we need to be more disiplined about how we use the list, in
>> particular:
>> If you are asking for a show of interest in something ask people replying
>> to reply directly to you rather than to the list - a "+1" sent to the list
>> does NOT contain any useful information for the several thousand people
>> who will read it!
While I'd like 2 lists, things that are relevant to my interests, and
things that are not relevant to my interests, this is never going to
be the case and I'd have to subscribe to all the lists anyway.
We could ban job adverts if lots of people find them annoying
(although I think they are beneficial to the space) and recommend
people post to uknot-jobs. I don't want to have to subscribe to more
mailing lists, or keep refreshing the wiki page.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Benjamin Blundell <onida...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Job offers are handy (think there is one Im interesting actually) but
> this is served well by the wiki so +1 to off the list.
> On 7 October 2012 22:33, Russ Garrett <r...@garrett.co.uk> wrote:
>> Incoherent thoughts:
>> Yes, I agree that "org" is a difficult distinction to make, I don't
>> think we can successfully split that from everything else.
>> Getting job/skills offers off this list would be nice, but I suspect
>> splitting them out onto separate lists will simply kill their utility,
>> because nobody will subscribe. One possibility here is just to ban job
>> offers on the list outright. Another possibility is to condense all
>> these into a digest, and send that to everyone (basically what I'm
>> talking about is resurrecting the news email).
>> One possibility for "announce" is to have an email alias which
>> automatically goes to all subscribed members.
>> Russ
>> On 7 October 2012 21:06, Jasper Wallace <jas...@pointless.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2012, Martin Dittus wrote:
>>>> Hey,
>>>> Do people think it would make sense to split this list? E.g.:
>>>> - lhs-org: anything relating to the space itself, the organisation, the tools, membership questions, etc
>>>> - lhs-discuss: member projects, requests for help/advice, chatter
>>> I've been on projects before where we've tried to do fine grained mailing
>>> lists and it hasn't really worked - people don't really understand which
>>> list they should post to and most things just end up on the main list.
>>> It does work (ish) if you have very specific lists I would suggest:
>>> This list is for posting available jobs or people looking for work. If you
>>> are posting about a job please include:
>>> * Where it is.
>>> * When it will start and end.
>>> * Any compensation offered.
>>> * Technologies and skills desired.
>>> If you are looking for work please post:
>>> * Where you are prepared to travel to.
>>> * What your availability is.
>>> * Rates, if relevent
>>> * skills and links to testimonals and example projects that you have
>>> completed in the past.
>>> The reason for prefering a mailing list to the wiki is that mailing lists
>>> are more time orientated - the wiki tends to fill with out of date junk...
>>>> We started an infrastructure list a long time ago which is essentially
>>>> unused; maybe because it is a bit too specific, but also because we had
>>>> much less traffic on the main list back then.
>>> There's only a few people doing infrastructure stuff (mostly the kitchen)
>>> and they just meet face to face in the space afaict.
>>>> Otoh there's now much more project chatter and random discussion, and it
>>>> would be nice to give those discussions a bit more space.
>>> I think we need to be more disiplined about how we use the list, in
>>> particular:
>>> If you are asking for a show of interest in something ask people replying
>>> to reply directly to you rather than to the list - a "+1" sent to the list
>>> does NOT contain any useful information for the several thousand people
>>> who will read it!
And seeing what emails bounce would be helpful too, let the trustees know when a member is no longer individually contactable (something for safeties sake I think members should be).
> I would say that if members are going to be auto-subscribed to anything
> it should be the announce list as, IIRC, it's set up so only a few
> people can post. It can then become the canonical decision location.
> i.e. any discussion from here can be summarised and cross-posted. This
> would make the announce list both an excellent location for news but
> also allow it to act as a sort of archive for important decisions.
> S
> On 7 October 2012 15:08, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com
> <mailto:deks...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> There's an "announce" list for announcements. I like the idea of
> automatically subscribing members to that list; although it seems
> atm nobody actively posts there either.
> m.
> On 7 Oct 2012, at 15:00, Peter Sci Turpin wrote:
> > I still think the infrastructure list should be an automatic
> subscription for all members, a requirement of membership. Then use
> it for putting out the official updates, schedules and such. Like a
> newsletter.
> > On 07/10/2012 13:45, Martin Dittus wrote:
> >> Hey,
> >> Do people think it would make sense to split this list? E.g.:
> >> - lhs-org: anything relating to the space itself, the
> organisation, the tools, membership questions, etc
> >> - lhs-discuss: member projects, requests for help/advice, chatter
> >> We started an infrastructure list a long time ago which is
> essentially unused; maybe because it is a bit too specific, but also
> because we had much less traffic on the main list back then.
> >> Otoh there's now much more project chatter and random
> discussion, and it would be nice to give those discussions a bit
> more space.
I find the "main" list far too busy. THe main things that would improve it to me is - use the announce list. I have missed announcements of events I would have found interestting - create a sep list for workshop related stuff. - I am not very interested in the state of various power tools. - create a list for software topics.
On 8 October 2012 22:02, Andrew Black <andrewdbl...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I find the "main" list far too busy. THe main things that would improve it
> to me is
> - use the announce list. I have missed announcements of events I would have
> found interestting
Yes, I think reviving the weekly news would be the best improvement we
could do currently. But we do need someone to do it reliably.
> I find the "main" list far too busy. THe main things that would improve
> it to me is
> - use the announce list. I have missed announcements of events I would
> have found interestting
> - create a sep list for workshop related stuff. - I am not very
> interested in the state of various power tools.
> - create a list for software topics.
> On 8 October 2012 22:02, Andrew Black <andrewdbl...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I find the "main" list far too busy. THe main things that would improve it
>> to me is
>> - use the announce list. I have missed announcements of events I would have
>> found interestting
> Yes, I think reviving the weekly news would be the best improvement we
> could do currently. But we do need someone to do it reliably.
Create a tag ('ANNOUNCE') that you can add to the subject line of any email
going to the main list, the message then gets forwarded to the annonce
list where it can either be allowed or rejected (with a page of rules as to
what should be allowed).
The main advantage of this is that it reduces the curator ship of the
announce list to decided whether a message needs to be on that list and
then either allowing or rejecting it.
oh, and before I hear "well volunteered" I have no idea or time to
implement this but this is the simplest solution I can think of that's not
"have someone write up a news list" which I think we have established
doesn't work.
S
On 8 October 2012 22:23, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The trouble with the announce list was a lack of people with time to
> maintain it.
> Suggestions welcome.
> m.
> On 8 Oct 2012, at 22:07, Russ Garrett wrote:
> > On 8 October 2012 22:02, Andrew Black <andrewdbl...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> >> I find the "main" list far too busy. THe main things that would improve
> it
> >> to me is
> >> - use the announce list. I have missed announcements of events I would
> have
> >> found interestting
> > Yes, I think reviving the weekly news would be the best improvement we
> > could do currently. But we do need someone to do it reliably.
Alternatively we could simply invite people to email the list directly, and have that be moderated.
But how do we then decide what gets posted? Is it enough to have a (small? large?) group of moderators, each deciding independently? Would that mean that as the moderator group grows we would more and more tend to let things through, because someone will always pull the trigger? Would that be a problem?
> Create a tag ('ANNOUNCE') that you can add to the subject line of any email going to the main list, the message then gets forwarded to the annonce list where it can either be allowed or rejected (with a page of rules as to what should be allowed).
> The main advantage of this is that it reduces the curator ship of the announce list to decided whether a message needs to be on that list and then either allowing or rejecting it.
> oh, and before I hear "well volunteered" I have no idea or time to implement this but this is the simplest solution I can think of that's not "have someone write up a news list" which I think we have established doesn't work.
> S
> On 8 October 2012 22:23, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Absolutely.
> The trouble with the announce list was a lack of people with time to maintain it.
> Suggestions welcome.
> m.
> On 8 Oct 2012, at 22:07, Russ Garrett wrote:
> > On 8 October 2012 22:02, Andrew Black <andrewdbl...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> I find the "main" list far too busy. THe main things that would improve it
> >> to me is
> >> - use the announce list. I have missed announcements of events I would have
> >> found interestting
> > Yes, I think reviving the weekly news would be the best improvement we
> > could do currently. But we do need someone to do it reliably.
If it needed a lot of moderators it would be because it was getting a
lot of postings, which would mean it had failed as a low-volume list.
If one moderator can't keep up, it's too busy.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alternatively we could simply invite people to email the list directly, and have that be moderated.
> But how do we then decide what gets posted? Is it enough to have a (small? large?) group of moderators, each deciding independently? Would that mean that as the moderator group grows we would more and more tend to let things through, because someone will always pull the trigger? Would that be a problem?
> m.
> On 8 Oct 2012, at 23:05, SamLR wrote:
>> The best solution I can think of is this:
>> Create a tag ('ANNOUNCE') that you can add to the subject line of any email going to the main list, the message then gets forwarded to the annonce list where it can either be allowed or rejected (with a page of rules as to what should be allowed).
>> The main advantage of this is that it reduces the curator ship of the announce list to decided whether a message needs to be on that list and then either allowing or rejecting it.
>> oh, and before I hear "well volunteered" I have no idea or time to implement this but this is the simplest solution I can think of that's not "have someone write up a news list" which I think we have established doesn't work.
>> S
>> On 8 October 2012 22:23, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Absolutely.
>> The trouble with the announce list was a lack of people with time to maintain it.
>> Suggestions welcome.
>> m.
>> On 8 Oct 2012, at 22:07, Russ Garrett wrote:
>> > On 8 October 2012 22:02, Andrew Black <andrewdbl...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >> I find the "main" list far too busy. THe main things that would improve it
>> >> to me is
>> >> - use the announce list. I have missed announcements of events I would have
>> >> found interestting
>> > Yes, I think reviving the weekly news would be the best improvement we
>> > could do currently. But we do need someone to do it reliably.
> If it needed a lot of moderators it would be because it was getting a
> lot of postings, which would mean it had failed as a low-volume list.
> If one moderator can't keep up, it's too busy.
> -adrian
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alternatively we could simply invite people to email the list directly, and have that be moderated.
>> But how do we then decide what gets posted? Is it enough to have a (small? large?) group of moderators, each deciding independently? Would that mean that as the moderator group grows we would more and more tend to let things through, because someone will always pull the trigger? Would that be a problem?
>> m.
>> On 8 Oct 2012, at 23:05, SamLR wrote:
>>> The best solution I can think of is this:
>>> Create a tag ('ANNOUNCE') that you can add to the subject line of any email going to the main list, the message then gets forwarded to the annonce list where it can either be allowed or rejected (with a page of rules as to what should be allowed).
>>> The main advantage of this is that it reduces the curator ship of the announce list to decided whether a message needs to be on that list and then either allowing or rejecting it.
>>> oh, and before I hear "well volunteered" I have no idea or time to implement this but this is the simplest solution I can think of that's not "have someone write up a news list" which I think we have established doesn't work.
>>> S
>>> On 8 October 2012 22:23, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Absolutely.
>>> The trouble with the announce list was a lack of people with time to maintain it.
>>> Suggestions welcome.
>>> m.
>>> On 8 Oct 2012, at 22:07, Russ Garrett wrote:
>>>> On 8 October 2012 22:02, Andrew Black <andrewdbl...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I find the "main" list far too busy. THe main things that would improve it
>>>>> to me is
>>>>> - use the announce list. I have missed announcements of events I would have
>>>>> found interestting
>>>> Yes, I think reviving the weekly news would be the best improvement we
>>>> could do currently. But we do need someone to do it reliably.
I don't mind helping moderate if we can come up with a clear set of rules
as to what is valid material
My proposals:
- New meetings/workshops/outings (e.g. "navel fluff appreciation group:
Sundays, 01:00-01:01")
- Special one-off sessions (e.g. "the Biohackers are having God as a
guest speaker")
- Major space changes (e.g. "the space is now in siberia" or "the wood
pile is now limited to a single piece of 2x4")
- Rules/Safety announcements (e.g. "the rage saw is now sentient and
desires only blood, do not use")
- Pledges (e.g. "need £100m to buy aircraft carrier")
- Devotionals to our Glorious Leader (e.g. "All hail, ai ai f'htagn!")
I expect given these you'd see about one post every other day (based on a
quick count of 'passing' posts from 23rd Sept -> 30th Sept).
This obviously depends on people forwarding stuff to the announce list
which may be tricky in long discussions that lead to decisions (e.g.
wording for new rules etc) but that shouldn't be too bad
Thoughts?
S
On 9 October 2012 00:40, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do we have volunteers to moderate the announce list?
> m.
> On 8 Oct 2012, at 23:26, Adrian Godwin wrote:
> > If it needed a lot of moderators it would be because it was getting a
> > lot of postings, which would mean it had failed as a low-volume list.
> > If one moderator can't keep up, it's too busy.
> > -adrian
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Alternatively we could simply invite people to email the list directly,
> and have that be moderated.
> >> But how do we then decide what gets posted? Is it enough to have a
> (small? large?) group of moderators, each deciding independently? Would
> that mean that as the moderator group grows we would more and more tend to
> let things through, because someone will always pull the trigger? Would
> that be a problem?
> >> m.
> >> On 8 Oct 2012, at 23:05, SamLR wrote:
> >>> The best solution I can think of is this:
> >>> Create a tag ('ANNOUNCE') that you can add to the subject line of any
> email going to the main list, the message then gets forwarded to the
> annonce list where it can either be allowed or rejected (with a page of
> rules as to what should be allowed).
> >>> The main advantage of this is that it reduces the curator ship of the
> announce list to decided whether a message needs to be on that list and
> then either allowing or rejecting it.
> >>> oh, and before I hear "well volunteered" I have no idea or time to
> implement this but this is the simplest solution I can think of that's not
> "have someone write up a news list" which I think we have established
> doesn't work.
> >>> S
> >>> On 8 October 2012 22:23, Martin Dittus <deks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Absolutely.
> >>> The trouble with the announce list was a lack of people with time to
> maintain it.
> >>> Suggestions welcome.
> >>> m.
> >>> On 8 Oct 2012, at 22:07, Russ Garrett wrote:
> >>>> On 8 October 2012 22:02, Andrew Black <andrewdbl...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>> I find the "main" list far too busy. THe main things that would
> improve it
> >>>>> to me is
> >>>>> - use the announce list. I have missed announcements of events I
> would have
> >>>>> found interestting
> >>>> Yes, I think reviving the weekly news would be the best improvement we
> >>>> could do currently. But we do need someone to do it reliably.
I for one, second all suggestions and would like to register interest for all the aforementioned topics, specifically in the "navel fluff appreciation group" (I've got a great collection) and the 100M£ for the aircraft carrier, that should easily cover the expansion needs of the Space! ;-)
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:53:09 AM UTC+1, SamLR wrote:
> I don't mind helping moderate if we can come up with a clear set of rules > as to what is valid material
> My proposals:
> - New meetings/workshops/outings (e.g. "navel fluff appreciation > group: Sundays, 01:00-01:01") > - Special one-off sessions (e.g. "the Biohackers are having God as a > guest speaker")
> - Major space changes (e.g. "the space is now in siberia" or "the wood > pile is now limited to a single piece of 2x4") > - Rules/Safety announcements (e.g. "the rage saw is now sentient and > desires only blood, do not use")
> - Pledges (e.g. "need £100m to buy aircraft carrier")
> - Devotionals to our Glorious Leader (e.g. "All hail, ai ai f'htagn!")
> I expect given these you'd see about one post every other day (based on a > quick count of 'passing' posts from 23rd Sept -> 30th Sept).
> This obviously depends on people forwarding stuff to the announce list > which may be tricky in long discussions that lead to decisions (e.g. > wording for new rules etc) but that shouldn't be too bad
> Thoughts?
> S
> On 9 October 2012 00:40, Martin Dittus <dek...@gmail.com <javascript:>>wrote:
>> Do we have volunteers to moderate the announce list?
>> m.
>> On 8 Oct 2012, at 23:26, Adrian Godwin wrote:
>> > If it needed a lot of moderators it would be because it was getting a
>> > lot of postings, which would mean it had failed as a low-volume list.
>> > If one moderator can't keep up, it's too busy.
>> > -adrian
>> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Martin Dittus <dek...@gmail.com<javascript:>> >> wrote:
>> >> Alternatively we could simply invite people to email the list >> directly, and have that be moderated.
>> >> But how do we then decide what gets posted? Is it enough to have a >> (small? large?) group of moderators, each deciding independently? Would >> that mean that as the moderator group grows we would more and more tend to >> let things through, because someone will always pull the trigger? Would >> that be a problem?
>> >> m.
>> >> On 8 Oct 2012, at 23:05, SamLR wrote:
>> >>> The best solution I can think of is this:
>> >>> Create a tag ('ANNOUNCE') that you can add to the subject line of any >> email going to the main list, the message then gets forwarded to the >> annonce list where it can either be allowed or rejected (with a page of >> rules as to what should be allowed).
>> >>> The main advantage of this is that it reduces the curator ship of the >> announce list to decided whether a message needs to be on that list and >> then either allowing or rejecting it.
>> >>> oh, and before I hear "well volunteered" I have no idea or time to >> implement this but this is the simplest solution I can think of that's not >> "have someone write up a news list" which I think we have established >> doesn't work.
>> >>> S
>> >>> On 8 October 2012 22:23, Martin Dittus <dek...@gmail.com<javascript:>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Absolutely.
>> >>> The trouble with the announce list was a lack of people with time to >> maintain it.
>> >>> Suggestions welcome.
>> >>> m.
>> >>> On 8 Oct 2012, at 22:07, Russ Garrett wrote:
>> >>>> On 8 October 2012 22:02, Andrew Black <andrew...@googlemail.com<javascript:>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>> I find the "main" list far too busy. THe main things that would >> improve it
>> >>>>> to me is
>> >>>>> - use the announce list. I have missed announcements of events I >> would have
>> >>>>> found interestting
>> >>>> Yes, I think reviving the weekly news would be the best improvement >> we
>> >>>> could do currently. But we do need someone to do it reliably.
