So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from the car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I thought we had security people at the business center!
I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security firm and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the police.
Oh dude that sucks! >< I am prepared to setup a camera on the balcony
of Unit 30. I reckon I can sort that out but what good would that do?
Its no deterrent I suppose.
Bike thieves are fuckers. Harsh language but given we rely on bikes in
this city, its really crippling not to have one. These security guys
are more hassle than they are worth. I've had issues with them before.
Bloody useless.
B
On 16 October 2012 10:27, Filthy hipster scum <aether.robot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from the
> car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I thought we had
> security people at the business center!
> I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security firm
> and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the police.
To be fair, how are the security team really going to prevent this? Maybe
if the hackspace wasn't there they might have a chance of knowing the
majority of the visitors - instead they are met with new strangers
regularly. I can't imagine that helps the situation much.
On 16 October 2012 10:37, Benjamin Blundell <onida...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh dude that sucks! >< I am prepared to setup a camera on the balcony
> of Unit 30. I reckon I can sort that out but what good would that do?
> Its no deterrent I suppose.
> Bike thieves are fuckers. Harsh language but given we rely on bikes in
> this city, its really crippling not to have one. These security guys
> are more hassle than they are worth. I've had issues with them before.
> Bloody useless.
> B
> On 16 October 2012 10:27, Filthy hipster scum <aether.robot...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from
> the
> > car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I thought we
> had
> > security people at the business center!
> > I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security
> firm
> > and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the police.
Get scrap bike, polish it pretty, cut hole in back of frame, pour in molten R candy and let set with model rocket igniter sticking out (discreetly). Connect igniter up to dynamo and tie bike down with a poundshop lock.
Bonus ideas: capture on camera (IR may be best due to smoke), GPS/laser guidance (for precise missile strike) and/or insert Roman candle under seat.
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:27:38 AM UTC+1, Filthy hipster scum wrote:
> So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from the > car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I thought we had > security people at the business center!
> I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security > firm and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the police.
> Get scrap bike, polish it pretty, cut hole in back of frame, pour in
> molten R candy and let set with model rocket igniter sticking out
> (discreetly). Connect igniter up to dynamo and tie bike down with a
> poundshop lock.
> Bonus ideas: capture on camera (IR may be best due to smoke), GPS/laser
> guidance (for precise missile strike) and/or insert Roman candle under seat.
> On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:27:38 AM UTC+1, Filthy hipster scum wrote:
>> So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from
>> the car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I thought we
>> had security people at the business center!
>> I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security
>> firm and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the police.
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:42:43 AM UTC+1, TheHypnotist wrote:
> To be fair, how are the security team really going to prevent this? Maybe > if the hackspace wasn't there they might have a chance of knowing the > majority of the visitors - instead they are met with new strangers > regularly. I can't imagine that helps the situation much.
> On 16 October 2012 10:37, Benjamin Blundell <onid...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote:
>> Oh dude that sucks! >< I am prepared to setup a camera on the balcony >> of Unit 30. I reckon I can sort that out but what good would that do? >> Its no deterrent I suppose.
>> Bike thieves are fuckers. Harsh language but given we rely on bikes in >> this city, its really crippling not to have one. These security guys >> are more hassle than they are worth. I've had issues with them before. >> Bloody useless.
>> B
>> On 16 October 2012 10:27, Filthy hipster scum <aether....@gmail.com<javascript:>> >> wrote: >> > So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from >> the >> > car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I thought we >> had >> > security people at the business center!
>> > I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security >> firm >> > and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the police.
Public announcement: Do not lock your bikes in our car park, it is NOT
SECURE. We've known this for a long time due to numerous thefts.
Secondary public announcement: Locking your bike up anywhere in public overnight in London is very risky, and should be avoided at all costs.
Locks are a deterrent, they are not a solution. Given enough time an
angle grinder will cut through damn near anything.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Filthy hipster scum" <aether.robot...@gmail.com>
> To: london-hack-space@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 October, 2012 10:27:38 AM
> Subject: [london-hack-space] Another bike goes
> So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from
> the car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I
> thought we had security people at the business center!
> I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security
> firm and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the
> police.
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:54:21 AM UTC+1, Jonty Wareing wrote:
> Public announcement: Do not lock your bikes in our car park, it is NOT > SECURE. We've known this for a long time due to numerous thefts.
> Secondary public announcement: Locking your bike up anywhere in public > overnight in London is very risky, and should be avoided at all costs. > Locks are a deterrent, they are not a solution. Given enough time an > angle grinder will cut through damn near anything.
> --jonty
> ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Filthy hipster scum" <aether....@gmail.com <javascript:>> > > To: london-h...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October, 2012 10:27:38 AM > > Subject: [london-hack-space] Another bike goes
> > So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from > > the car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I > > thought we had security people at the business center!
> > I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security > > firm and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the > > police.
Cool. Does that mean we should park our bikes in the space?
More seriously I'd suggest that any new hackspace needs to provide
internal bike-parking. It's a high value service. Perhaps, only
available to paying members?
phil
On 16 October 2012 10:54, Jonty Wareing <jo...@jonty.co.uk> wrote:
> Public announcement: Do not lock your bikes in our car park, it is NOT
> SECURE. We've known this for a long time due to numerous thefts.
> Secondary public announcement: Locking your bike up anywhere in public
> overnight in London is very risky, and should be avoided at all costs.
> Locks are a deterrent, they are not a solution. Given enough time an
> angle grinder will cut through damn near anything.
> --jonty
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Filthy hipster scum" <aether.robot...@gmail.com>
>> To: london-hack-space@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 October, 2012 10:27:38 AM
>> Subject: [london-hack-space] Another bike goes
>> So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from
>> the car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I
>> thought we had security people at the business center!
>> I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security
>> firm and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the
>> police.
On 16 October 2012 11:09, phil jones <inters...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cool. Does that mean we should park our bikes in the space?
Good troll.
> More seriously I'd suggest that any new hackspace needs to provide
> internal bike-parking. It's a high value service. Perhaps, only
> available to paying members?
Yes, I think it would be sensible to consider that. Bear in mind that
if we dedicate ~150 sq ft to bike parking, that's going to be costing
us £200-300 per month in rent and rates.
perhaps verticle space might work better. stick some hooks on your bike and
haul it up out of the way flat against the ceiling. though there'd have to
be a rule along the lines of the owners of any such bikes having to
actually be in the space while their bike is to stop it becoming a
warehouse. .
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Russ Garrett <r...@garrett.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 October 2012 11:09, phil jones <inters...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Cool. Does that mean we should park our bikes in the space?
> Good troll.
> > More seriously I'd suggest that any new hackspace needs to provide
> > internal bike-parking. It's a high value service. Perhaps, only
> > available to paying members?
> Yes, I think it would be sensible to consider that. Bear in mind that
> if we dedicate ~150 sq ft to bike parking, that's going to be costing
> us £200-300 per month in rent and rates.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Murphy" <murphy.da...@gmail.com>
> To: london-hack-space@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 October, 2012 11:24:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [london-hack-space] Another bike goes
> perhaps verticle space might work better. stick some hooks on your
> bike and haul it up out of the way flat against the ceiling. though
> there'd have to be a rule along the lines of the owners of any such
> bikes having to actually be in the space while their bike is to stop
> it becoming a warehouse. .
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Russ Garrett < r...@garrett.co.uk >
> wrote:
> On 16 October 2012 11:09, phil jones < inters...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > Cool. Does that mean we should park our bikes in the space?
> Good troll.
> > More seriously I'd suggest that any new hackspace needs to provide
> > internal bike-parking. It's a high value service. Perhaps, only
> > available to paying members?
> Yes, I think it would be sensible to consider that. Bear in mind that
> if we dedicate ~150 sq ft to bike parking, that's going to be costing
> us £200-300 per month in rent and rates.
How about a system that clamps an lock around the main frame, (hoist optional) controlled by a system similar to doorbot, that (un)locks the appropriate bike upon the user scanning their RFID card. By requiring an RFID to lock the bike in, it will be easy to track the owner, and even have something like a 48 hour timer to automatically unlock bikes that overstay. A signup fee may be reasonable to cover costs.
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:24:41 AM UTC+1, David wrote:
> perhaps verticle space might work better. stick some hooks on your bike > and haul it up out of the way flat against the ceiling. though there'd have > to be a rule along the lines of the owners of any such bikes having to > actually be in the space while their bike is to stop it becoming a > warehouse. .
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Russ Garrett <ru...@garrett.co.uk<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>> On 16 October 2012 11:09, phil jones <inte...@gmail.com <javascript:>> >> wrote:
>> > Cool. Does that mean we should park our bikes in the space?
>> Good troll.
>> > More seriously I'd suggest that any new hackspace needs to provide
>> > internal bike-parking. It's a high value service. Perhaps, only
>> > available to paying members?
>> Yes, I think it would be sensible to consider that. Bear in mind that
>> if we dedicate ~150 sq ft to bike parking, that's going to be costing
>> us £200-300 per month in rent and rates.
probably overcomplicating things a bit and since projects which involve
networking and scanners seem to never seem to actually materialise I'd be
inclined to just go with a few metal hooks and some rope to start off with.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:39 AM, 930913 <proxify.my.em...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> How about a system that clamps an lock around the main frame, (hoist
> optional) controlled by a system similar to doorbot, that (un)locks the
> appropriate bike upon the user scanning their RFID card. By requiring an
> RFID to lock the bike in, it will be easy to track the owner, and even have
> something like a 48 hour timer to automatically unlock bikes that
> overstay. A signup fee may be reasonable to cover costs.
> On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:24:41 AM UTC+1, David wrote:
>> perhaps verticle space might work better. stick some hooks on your bike
>> and haul it up out of the way flat against the ceiling. though there'd have
>> to be a rule along the lines of the owners of any such bikes having to
>> actually be in the space while their bike is to stop it becoming a
>> warehouse. .
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Russ Garrett <ru...@garrett.co.uk>wrote:
>>> On 16 October 2012 11:09, phil jones <inte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Cool. Does that mean we should park our bikes in the space?
>>> Good troll.
>>> > More seriously I'd suggest that any new hackspace needs to provide
>>> > internal bike-parking. It's a high value service. Perhaps, only
>>> > available to paying members?
>>> Yes, I think it would be sensible to consider that. Bear in mind that
>>> if we dedicate ~150 sq ft to bike parking, that's going to be costing
>>> us £200-300 per month in rent and rates.
On 16 October 2012 11:39, 930913 <proxify.my.em...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> How about a system that clamps an lock around the main frame, (hoist
> optional) controlled by a system similar to doorbot, that (un)locks the
> appropriate bike upon the user scanning their RFID card. By requiring an
> RFID to lock the bike in, it will be easy to track the owner, and even have
> something like a 48 hour timer to automatically unlock bikes that overstay.
> A signup fee may be reasonable to cover costs.
if it helps I was genuinely considering the idea of some ceiling racks.
there's enough unused ceiling space in the current space you could probably
store a fair number without getting in anyones way.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Russ Garrett <r...@garrett.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 October 2012 11:39, 930913 <proxify.my.em...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > How about a system that clamps an lock around the main frame, (hoist
> > optional) controlled by a system similar to doorbot, that (un)locks the
> > appropriate bike upon the user scanning their RFID card. By requiring an
> > RFID to lock the bike in, it will be easy to track the owner, and even
> have
> > something like a 48 hour timer to automatically unlock bikes that
> overstay.
> > A signup fee may be reasonable to cover costs.
On 16 October 2012 11:49, David Murphy <murphy.da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> if it helps I was genuinely considering the idea of some ceiling racks.
> there's enough unused ceiling space in the current space you could probably
> store a fair number without getting in anyones way.
Sounds cool, however:
* I'm not sure we have that much space - the ceiling isn't that high.
* Bringing bikes through the space in order to store them will likely
mean they get left in the space if the storage is full.
* The ceiling is a bitch to drill into.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Russ Garrett <r...@garrett.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 October 2012 11:49, David Murphy <murphy.da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > if it helps I was genuinely considering the idea of some ceiling racks.
> > there's enough unused ceiling space in the current space you could
> probably
> > store a fair number without getting in anyones way.
> Sounds cool, however:
> * I'm not sure we have that much space - the ceiling isn't that high.
> * Bringing bikes through the space in order to store them will likely
> mean they get left in the space if the storage is full.
> * The ceiling is a bitch to drill into.
Posh looking bike, keyring cameras mounted on/in frame (less than a $10 each) cheap phone hidden under seat with GPS and motion sensor to activate the camera and track the bike and video the thief. Motion sensor - text out alert to reclaim crew then use G latitude to track the thief and recover bike and cameras with video.
Have a camera on the space to record the stealing then take a camera crew to film the reclaiming of the bike – all done with out the police DIY then sell the story to TV or viral video on youtube, make the money back from the build – I would be up for doing the video side of it.
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:10:17 PM UTC+1, David wrote:
> all good points, I'll give it some thought.
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Russ Garrett <ru...@garrett.co.uk<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>> On 16 October 2012 11:49, David Murphy <murphy...@gmail.com <javascript:>> >> wrote:
>> > if it helps I was genuinely considering the idea of some ceiling racks.
>> > there's enough unused ceiling space in the current space you could >> probably
>> > store a fair number without getting in anyones way.
>> Sounds cool, however:
>> * I'm not sure we have that much space - the ceiling isn't that high.
>> * Bringing bikes through the space in order to store them will likely
>> mean they get left in the space if the storage is full.
>> * The ceiling is a bitch to drill into.
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:47 AM, hamishcampbell <i...@visionon.tv> wrote:
> What about a sting, might be self funding...
> Posh looking bike, keyring cameras mounted on/in frame (less than a $10
> each) cheap phone hidden under seat with GPS and motion sensor to activate
> the camera and track the bike and video the thief. Motion sensor - text out
> alert to reclaim crew then use G latitude to track the thief and recover
> bike and cameras with video.
> Have a camera on the space to record the stealing then take a camera crew
> to film the reclaiming of the bike – all done with out the police DIY then
> sell the story to TV or viral video on youtube, make the money back from
> the build – I would be up for doing the video side of it.
> Hamish x
> On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:10:17 PM UTC+1, David wrote:
>> all good points, I'll give it some thought.
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Russ Garrett <ru...@garrett.co.uk>wrote:
>>> On 16 October 2012 11:49, David Murphy <murphy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > if it helps I was genuinely considering the idea of some ceiling racks.
>>> > there's enough unused ceiling space in the current space you could
>>> probably
>>> > store a fair number without getting in anyones way.
>>> Sounds cool, however:
>>> * I'm not sure we have that much space - the ceiling isn't that high.
>>> * Bringing bikes through the space in order to store them will likely
>>> mean they get left in the space if the storage is full.
>>> * The ceiling is a bitch to drill into.
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:47 AM, hamishcampbell <i...@visionon.tv> wrote:
> > What about a sting, might be self funding...
> > Posh looking bike, keyring cameras mounted on/in frame (less than a $10
> > each) cheap phone hidden under seat with GPS and motion sensor to activate
> > the camera and track the bike and video the thief. Motion sensor - text out
> > alert to reclaim crew then use G latitude to track the thief and recover
> > bike and cameras with video.
> > Have a camera on the space to record the stealing then take a camera crew
> > to film the reclaiming of the bike – all done with out the police DIY then
> > sell the story to TV or viral video on youtube, make the money back from
> > the build – I would be up for doing the video side of it.
> > Hamish x
> > On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:10:17 PM UTC+1, David wrote:
> >> all good points, I'll give it some thought.
> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Russ Garrett <ru...@garrett.co.uk>wrote:
> >>> On 16 October 2012 11:49, David Murphy <murphy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > if it helps I was genuinely considering the idea of some ceiling racks.
> >>> > there's enough unused ceiling space in the current space you could
> >>> probably
> >>> > store a fair number without getting in anyones way.
> >>> Sounds cool, however:
> >>> * I'm not sure we have that much space - the ceiling isn't that high.
> >>> * Bringing bikes through the space in order to store them will likely
> >>> mean they get left in the space if the storage is full.
> >>> * The ceiling is a bitch to drill into.
> Also had a look in Liverpool Street Station at the double-decker bike
> racks next to the taxi ranks. Nice design.
> On 17 Oct, 09:12, David Murphy <murphy.da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> already exists google "to catch a bike thief"
>> dangerous to do without police involved.
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:47 AM, hamishcampbell <i...@visionon.tv> wrote:
>> > What about a sting, might be self funding...
>> > Posh looking bike, keyring cameras mounted on/in frame (less than a $10
>> > each) cheap phone hidden under seat with GPS and motion sensor to activate
>> > the camera and track the bike and video the thief. Motion sensor - text out
>> > alert to reclaim crew then use G latitude to track the thief and recover
>> > bike and cameras with video.
>> > Have a camera on the space to record the stealing then take a camera crew
>> > to film the reclaiming of the bike – all done with out the police DIY then
>> > sell the story to TV or viral video on youtube, make the money back from
>> > the build – I would be up for doing the video side of it.
>> > Hamish x
>> > On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:10:17 PM UTC+1, David wrote:
>> >> all good points, I'll give it some thought.
>> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Russ Garrett <ru...@garrett.co.uk>wrote:
>> >>> On 16 October 2012 11:49, David Murphy <murphy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > if it helps I was genuinely considering the idea of some ceiling racks.
>> >>> > there's enough unused ceiling space in the current space you could
>> >>> probably
>> >>> > store a fair number without getting in anyones way.
>> >>> Sounds cool, however:
>> >>> * I'm not sure we have that much space - the ceiling isn't that high.
>> >>> * Bringing bikes through the space in order to store them will likely
>> >>> mean they get left in the space if the storage is full.
>> >>> * The ceiling is a bitch to drill into.
I know this is all very painful to discuss, but could you let us know with what and how it was locked? That is to say, where the lock was placed, what make and model it is, and any evidence you have of how it was broken.
Since I had both my wheels pinched outside Hoxton station I've tooled up, Purchasing a Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Mini U lock, an extremely serious piece of kit, which will be supplemented by an Evolution Mini 7 U lock, which is less hench, but that the thieves didn't bother to challenge last time (they cut through a thin kryptoflex cable, which I feel pretty naive for using now). The New York should supposedly stand a good 3 minutes of angle-grinding, and mank up the disc while it's at it, I wonder if that's enough.
Obviously getting these angle ground just makes the whole endeavour more expensive. If we at least know what equipment has been defeated we can get an idea of how, and if, we can protect ourselves. I've hardly been back to the hackspace since, I'm certainly reticent to lose another bike over it.
On Tuesday, 16 October 2012 10:27:38 UTC+1, Filthy hipster scum wrote:
> So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from the > car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I thought we had > security people at the business center!
> I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security > firm and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the police.
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:39:20 PM UTC+1, Richard Stevenson wrote:
> I know this is all very painful to discuss, but could you let us know with > what and how it was locked? That is to say, where the lock was placed, what > make and model it is, and any evidence you have of how it was broken.
> Since I had both my wheels pinched outside Hoxton station I've tooled up, > Purchasing a Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Mini U lock, an extremely > serious piece of kit, which will be supplemented by an Evolution Mini 7 U > lock, which is less hench, but that the thieves didn't bother to challenge > last time (they cut through a thin kryptoflex cable, which I feel > pretty naive for using now). The New York should supposedly stand a good 3 > minutes of angle-grinding, and mank up the disc while it's at it, I wonder > if that's enough.
> Obviously getting these angle ground just makes the whole endeavour more > expensive. If we at least know what equipment has been defeated we can get > an idea of how, and if, we can protect ourselves. I've hardly been back to > the hackspace since, I'm certainly reticent to lose another bike over it.
> On Tuesday, 16 October 2012 10:27:38 UTC+1, Filthy hipster scum wrote:
>> So I came to the space last night to find my bike had been stolen from >> the car park the night before, this is just ridiculousness as I thought we >> had security people at the business center!
>> I know there isn't much I can do about it, but gonna call the security >> firm and lay into them and request the video camera footage for the police.
