> - A large light industrial/warehouse unit within this modern purpose > built building located on the popular Hackney Road
> Benefiting from a large car park and loading bay to the rear with goods > lift access to the basement.
> Ground - 3,431 sq ft
> Basement - 3,683 sq ft
> Yard - 6,500 sq ft
> RENT
> £105,000 per annum
> £14.75 per sq foot
> AMENITIES
> Own Entrance from Street
> Gas Central Heating
> Parking
> Loading Bay
> Goods Lift
> Outside Congestion Zone
> COMMUNICATIONS
> A few minutes walk from Cambridge Heath and Bethnal Green stations and > served by a number of bus routes around the city.
> ACCOMMODATION
> GROUND & BASEMENT
> 7,114 sq ft
> 662 sq m
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM, 930913 <proxify.my.em...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I asked my father, a chartered surveyor, to look out for a space, and he
> just sent me 445 Hackney Road
> It looks to me to tick most boxes, and it's about 500m down the road.
>> A large light industrial/warehouse unit within this modern purpose built
>> building located on the popular Hackney Road
>> Benefiting from a large car park and loading bay to the rear with goods
>> lift access to the basement.
>> Ground - 3,431 sq ft
>> Basement - 3,683 sq ft
>> Yard - 6,500 sq ft
>> RENT
>> £105,000 per annum
>> £14.75 per sq foot
>> AMENITIES
>> Own Entrance from Street
>> Gas Central Heating
>> Parking
>> Loading Bay
>> Goods Lift
>> Outside Congestion Zone
>> COMMUNICATIONS
>> A few minutes walk from Cambridge Heath and Bethnal Green stations and
>> served by a number of bus routes around the city.
>> ACCOMMODATION
>> GROUND & BASEMENT
>> 7,114 sq ft
>> 662 sq m
Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger space, we
could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out hammocks,
raising some extra money and saving the problem of people sleeping in the
space. Not sure what the licensing / legal restrictions for that would be
though.
On 15 November 2012 21:52, Aden <a...@aden.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM, 930913 <proxify.my.em...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > I asked my father, a chartered surveyor, to look out for a space, and he
> > just sent me 445 Hackney Road
> > It looks to me to tick most boxes, and it's about 500m down the road.
> >> A large light industrial/warehouse unit within this modern purpose built
> >> building located on the popular Hackney Road
> >> Benefiting from a large car park and loading bay to the rear with goods
> >> lift access to the basement.
> >> Ground - 3,431 sq ft
> >> Basement - 3,683 sq ft
> >> Yard - 6,500 sq ft
> >> RENT
> >> £105,000 per annum
> >> £14.75 per sq foot
> >> AMENITIES
> >> Own Entrance from Street
> >> Gas Central Heating
> >> Parking
> >> Loading Bay
> >> Goods Lift
> >> Outside Congestion Zone
> >> COMMUNICATIONS
> >> A few minutes walk from Cambridge Heath and Bethnal Green stations and
> >> served by a number of bus routes around the city.
> >> ACCOMMODATION
> >> GROUND & BASEMENT
> >> 7,114 sq ft
> >> 662 sq m
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 22:09 +0000, Jim Allanson wrote:
> Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger space,
> we could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out
> hammocks, raising some extra money and saving the problem of people
> sleeping in the space. Not sure what the licensing / legal
> restrictions for that would be though.
It looks awesome. Anyone have any idea how unfeasible that amount of money
would be? I'd guess it would work out closer to £200K/annum once rates &
bills are included (pulling a number out of my arse obviously) which is
~£30/current member.
Certainly worth a look and you never know, it we might be able to drive the
price down. Having multiple floors + outside space would be amazing
S
On 15 November 2012 22:18, Alexander Wright <ale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 22:09 +0000, Jim Allanson wrote:
> > Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger space,
> > we could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out
> > hammocks, raising some extra money and saving the problem of people
> > sleeping in the space. Not sure what the licensing / legal
> > restrictions for that would be though.
On Thursday, 15 November 2012 22:18:51 UTC, Alec wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 22:09 +0000, Jim Allanson wrote: > > Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger space, > > we could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out > > hammocks, raising some extra money and saving the problem of people > > sleeping in the space. Not sure what the licensing / legal > > restrictions for that would be though.
> On Thursday, 15 November 2012 22:18:51 UTC, Alec wrote:
>> On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 22:09 +0000, Jim Allanson wrote:
>> > Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger space,
>> > we could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out
>> > hammocks, raising some extra money and saving the problem of people
>> > sleeping in the space. Not sure what the licensing / legal
>> > restrictions for that would be though.
> It looks awesome. Anyone have any idea how unfeasible that amount of money would be? I'd guess it would work out closer to £200K/annum once rates & bills are included (pulling a number out of my arse obviously) which is ~£30/current member.
> Certainly worth a look and you never know, it we might be able to drive the price down. Having multiple floors + outside space would be amazing
> S
> On 15 November 2012 22:18, Alexander Wright <ale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 22:09 +0000, Jim Allanson wrote:
> > Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger space,
> > we could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out
> > hammocks, raising some extra money and saving the problem of people
> > sleeping in the space. Not sure what the licensing / legal
> > restrictions for that would be though.
> Who else may be interested in sharing this with us?
> m.
> On 15 Nov 2012, at 22:29, SamLR wrote:
> > It looks awesome. Anyone have any idea how unfeasible that amount of money would be? I'd guess it would work out closer to £200K/annum once rates & bills are included (pulling a number out of my arse obviously) which is ~£30/current member.
> > Certainly worth a look and you never know, it we might be able to drive the price down. Having multiple floors + outside space would be amazing
> > S
> > On 15 November 2012 22:18, Alexander Wright <ale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 22:09 +0000, Jim Allanson wrote:
> > > Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger space,
> > > we could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out
> > > hammocks, raising some extra money and saving the problem of people
> > > sleeping in the space. Not sure what the licensing / legal
> > > restrictions for that would be though.
>> Maybe also an opportunity to team up with other organisations and start an umbrella housing org?
> I really think that mixing sleeping and hacking would be disastrous. I > wouldn't mind subletting to a company or startup tho.
> Also with that size of yard we could potentially rent out parking > spaces...
>> Who else may be interested in sharing this with us?
>> m.
>> On 15 Nov 2012, at 22:29, SamLR wrote:
>>> It looks awesome. Anyone have any idea how unfeasible that amount of money would be? I'd guess it would work out closer to £200K/annum once rates & bills are included (pulling a number out of my arse obviously) which is ~£30/current member.
>>> Certainly worth a look and you never know, it we might be able to drive the price down. Having multiple floors + outside space would be amazing
>>> S
>>> On 15 November 2012 22:18, Alexander Wright <ale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 22:09 +0000, Jim Allanson wrote:
>>>> Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger space,
>>>> we could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out
>>>> hammocks, raising some extra money and saving the problem of people
>>>> sleeping in the space. Not sure what the licensing / legal
>>>> restrictions for that would be though.
I agree and think mixing sleeping with anything the Hackspace does causes
all sorts of tensions.
It also makes people more casual about it and it turns into a complete tip.
We could potentially think of renting a little of the space to members for
businesses, but each space rented could not over run into others.
Just an idea if this is a real possibility...
Noko
On 16 Nov 2012 09:44, "Jasper Wallace" <jas...@pointless.net> wrote:
> > Maybe also an opportunity to team up with other organisations and start
> an umbrella housing org?
> I really think that mixing sleeping and hacking would be disastrous. I
> wouldn't mind subletting to a company or startup tho.
> Also with that size of yard we could potentially rent out parking
> spaces...
> > Who else may be interested in sharing this with us?
> > m.
> > On 15 Nov 2012, at 22:29, SamLR wrote:
> > > It looks awesome. Anyone have any idea how unfeasible that amount of
> money would be? I'd guess it would work out closer to £200K/annum once
> rates & bills are included (pulling a number out of my arse obviously)
> which is ~£30/current member.
> > > Certainly worth a look and you never know, it we might be able to
> drive the price down. Having multiple floors + outside space would be
> amazing
> > > S
> > > On 15 November 2012 22:18, Alexander Wright <ale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 22:09 +0000, Jim Allanson wrote:
> > > > Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger
> space,
> > > > we could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out
> > > > hammocks, raising some extra money and saving the problem of people
> > > > sleeping in the space. Not sure what the licensing / legal
> > > > restrictions for that would be though.
On Friday, November 16, 2012 1:44:54 AM UTC, jasper wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Martin Dittus wrote:
> > Maybe also an opportunity to team up with other organisations and start > an umbrella housing org?
> I really think that mixing sleeping and hacking would be disastrous. I > wouldn't mind subletting to a company or startup tho.
> Also with that size of yard we could potentially rent out parking > spaces...
> > Who else may be interested in sharing this with us?
> > m.
> > On 15 Nov 2012, at 22:29, SamLR wrote:
> > > It looks awesome. Anyone have any idea how unfeasible that amount of > money would be? I'd guess it would work out closer to £200K/annum once > rates & bills are included (pulling a number out of my arse obviously) > which is ~£30/current member.
> > > Certainly worth a look and you never know, it we might be able to > drive the price down. Having multiple floors + outside space would be > amazing
> > > S
> > > On 15 November 2012 22:18, Alexander Wright <ale...@gmail.com<javascript:>> > wrote: > > > On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 22:09 +0000, Jim Allanson wrote: > > > > Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger > space, > > > > we could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out > > > > hammocks, raising some extra money and saving the problem of people > > > > sleeping in the space. Not sure what the licensing / legal > > > > restrictions for that would be though.
> I thought we discussed this during the "lets rent Torrenz street" thread and decided subletting was a bad idea?
> On Friday, November 16, 2012 1:44:54 AM UTC, jasper wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Martin Dittus wrote:
> > Maybe also an opportunity to team up with other organisations and start an umbrella housing org?
> I really think that mixing sleeping and hacking would be disastrous. I > wouldn't mind subletting to a company or startup tho.
> Also with that size of yard we could potentially rent out parking > spaces...
> > Who else may be interested in sharing this with us?
> > m.
> > On 15 Nov 2012, at 22:29, SamLR wrote:
> > > It looks awesome. Anyone have any idea how unfeasible that amount of money would be? I'd guess it would work out closer to £200K/annum once rates & bills are included (pulling a number out of my arse obviously) which is ~£30/current member.
> > > Certainly worth a look and you never know, it we might be able to drive the price down. Having multiple floors + outside space would be amazing
> > > S
> > > On 15 November 2012 22:18, Alexander Wright <ale...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 22:09 +0000, Jim Allanson wrote: > > > > Not sure if it's already been suggested, but with a much larger space, > > > > we could potentially have a designated sleeping area and rent out > > > > hammocks, raising some extra money and saving the problem of people > > > > sleeping in the space. Not sure what the licensing / legal > > > > restrictions for that would be though.
On 15 November 2012 21:13, 930913 <proxify.my.em...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I asked my father, a chartered surveyor, to look out for a space, and he
> just sent me 445 Hackney Road
This is indeed a great looking space, but it is squarely out of our
price range. I need to do some work on our accounts to try and work
out exactly how much of a stretch it would be on our budget.
I am not against subletting space if it's partitioned off, but I am
against letting out desks.
Sorry to jump into this conversation, if you get a bigger space we would be interested in sharing with you (partitioned or open space). We're looking for a space for Alpha-ville <http://www.alpha-ville.co.uk>, we do tech art events, exhibitions, labs, conferences and also looking to open a residencies space.
> It looks to me to tick most boxes, and it's about 500m down the road.
>> - A large light industrial/warehouse unit within this modern purpose >> built building located on the popular Hackney Road
>> Benefiting from a large car park and loading bay to the rear with goods >> lift access to the basement.
>> Ground - 3,431 sq ft
>> Basement - 3,683 sq ft
>> Yard - 6,500 sq ft
>> RENT
>> £105,000 per annum
>> £14.75 per sq foot
>> AMENITIES
>> Own Entrance from Street
>> Gas Central Heating
>> Parking
>> Loading Bay
>> Goods Lift
>> Outside Congestion Zone
>> COMMUNICATIONS
>> A few minutes walk from Cambridge Heath and Bethnal Green stations and >> served by a number of bus routes around the city.
>> ACCOMMODATION
>> GROUND & BASEMENT
>> 7,114 sq ft
>> 662 sq m
On 16 November 2012 11:47, Russ Garrett <r...@garrett.co.uk> wrote:
> This is indeed a great looking space, but it is squarely out of our
> price range. I need to do some work on our accounts to try and work
> out exactly how much of a stretch it would be on our budget.
Just an update on how I'm calculating affordability here:
£105,000 is the lease price. In some cases VAT may be added on top of
it (but we don't know in this case).
+ £27,000 is the estimated business rates (that's an estimated
rateable value of £60k * 0.45)
So the monthly cost there is £11,000
+ £2000 bills and other costs
= £13,000
Which at 600 members is £22 per member per month.
We currently have 555 members paying an average of £11.50 per month.
On Friday, 16 November 2012 12:27:10 UTC, Russ Garrett wrote:
> On 16 November 2012 11:47, Russ Garrett <ru...@garrett.co.uk <javascript:>> > wrote: > > This is indeed a great looking space, but it is squarely out of our > > price range. I need to do some work on our accounts to try and work > > out exactly how much of a stretch it would be on our budget.
> Just an update on how I'm calculating affordability here:
> £105,000 is the lease price. In some cases VAT may be added on top of > it (but we don't know in this case). > + £27,000 is the estimated business rates (that's an estimated > rateable value of £60k * 0.45)
> So the monthly cost there is £11,000 > + £2000 bills and other costs > = £13,000 > Which at 600 members is £22 per member per month.
> We currently have 555 members paying an average of £11.50 per month.
> We currently have 555 members paying an average of £11.50 per month.
I'd be interested to see a banded breakdown possibly over time, rather
than just one figure. I remember about a year ago (or perhaps it was
more) the average was £17.something per month. It's possibly worth
trying to find out why this might have changed so substantially. I
don't have any simple answers to that question though.
Money / total members seems like a bad metric.
How about total money / average people in the space.
That should also give us an estimate of full the space is becoming for the money
Best Regards
Yarek T
On 16 Nov 2012, at 12:38, Matt Peperell <mpeper...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> We currently have 555 members paying an average of £11.50 per month.
> I'd be interested to see a banded breakdown possibly over time, rather
> than just one figure. I remember about a year ago (or perhaps it was
> more) the average was £17.something per month. It's possibly worth
> trying to find out why this might have changed so substantially. I
> don't have any simple answers to that question though.
It does look as if it is out of our league at the moment, having to come up with the extra money and deal with the logistics of possibly renting out space would place a lot of strain on whomever had to deal with it and a lot of extra strain on the Hackspace itself and would change its structure.
I'm not personally sure this is something we really want.
\t
On 16 Nov 2012, at 12:43, Yarek Tyshchenko <yar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Money / total members seems like a bad metric.
> How about total money / average people in the space.
> That should also give us an estimate of full the space is becoming for the money
> Best Regards
> Yarek T
> On 16 Nov 2012, at 12:38, Matt Peperell <mpeper...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> We currently have 555 members paying an average of £11.50 per month.
>> I'd be interested to see a banded breakdown possibly over time, rather
>> than just one figure. I remember about a year ago (or perhaps it was
>> more) the average was £17.something per month. It's possibly worth
>> trying to find out why this might have changed so substantially. I
>> don't have any simple answers to that question though.
Ohhh Tom... now you are getting my vote! I've been in love with Mechas since before it was cool. I'm all for a HackSpace that allows for a Mecha Development Hangar... handy in case Angels, Sentinels or Na'vi decide to attack Shoreditch! ;-)
> Ohhh Tom... now you are getting my vote! I've been in love with Mechas
> since before it was cool.
> I'm all for a HackSpace that allows for a Mecha Development Hangar...
> handy in case Angels, Sentinels or Na'vi decide to attack Shoreditch! ;-)
> Cheers
> Dario
> On Friday, 16 November 2012 11:35:29 UTC, Tom Sands wrote:
> I'm sure the extra large space could be used for large builds and
> storage rather than sub letting and bed space. Giant robots anyone?
The ideal tenants to sublet to would be someone who wanted to offer a
commercial CNC / laser-cutting / 3D printing bureau. Basically someone who
is offering the kind of reliably available machining that hackspace members
need but the hackspace itself doesn't guarantee.
phil
On 16 November 2012 14:25, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
>> Ohhh Tom... now you are getting my vote! I've been in love with Mechas
>> since before it was cool.
>> I'm all for a HackSpace that allows for a Mecha Development Hangar...
>> handy in case Angels, Sentinels or Na'vi decide to attack Shoreditch! ;-)
>> Cheers
>> Dario
>> On Friday, 16 November 2012 11:35:29 UTC, Tom Sands wrote:
>> I'm sure the extra large space could be used for large builds and
>> storage rather than sub letting and bed space. Giant robots anyone?
