I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know how
they work.
Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, and
milk like I am..
They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned,
and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate
training.
On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know > how they work.
> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, > and milk like I am..
> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, > and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate > training.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:14 PM, tim_n <tim.neob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> nasty
> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know
>> how they work.
>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise,
>> and milk like I am..
>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned,
>> and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate
>> training.
I suspect that if we can't manage something as simple and everyday as
putting recycling in the right bin without a label, labelling them
won't help. I think the kitchen labels have reduced the occurrence of
domestic-raege-inducing incidents in there, but they haven't
eliminated them, and recycling more or less relies on everyone getting
it right.
We may just have to give up and accept that we work in an untidy,
wasteful, unhealthy, and unsustainable pigsty. [/troll]
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Martin <crysi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> would better labeling of the bins help?
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:14 PM, tim_n <tim.neob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> nasty
>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
>>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know
>>> how they work.
>>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise,
>>> and milk like I am..
>>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned,
>>> and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate
>>> training.
As 1 of the people who set up the recycling bins, I can say this has unfortunately be a real mess. We've tried labelling the bins but the labels have been either ignored or removed.
I think the less worst solution is going back to the 2 general waste bins.
I prefer emptying 2 times a day the bins than dealing with dirty plastic/paper bins that we can't actually recycle without sorting out each item.
On Friday, 17 August 2012 21:38:53 UTC+1, Sam Kelly wrote:
> I suspect that if we can't manage something as simple and everyday as > putting recycling in the right bin without a label, labelling them > won't help. I think the kitchen labels have reduced the occurrence of > domestic-raege-inducing incidents in there, but they haven't > eliminated them, and recycling more or less relies on everyone getting > it right.
> We may just have to give up and accept that we work in an untidy, > wasteful, unhealthy, and unsustainable pigsty. [/troll]
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Martin <crys...@googlemail.com<javascript:>> > wrote: > > would better labeling of the bins help?
> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:14 PM, tim_n <tim.n...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote:
> >> nasty
> >> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
> >>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people > know > >>> how they work.
> >>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, > mayonnaise, > >>> and milk like I am..
> >>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is > commissioned, > >>> and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate > >>> training.
Sad state of affairs...Probably a new generation with different conditioned values/mindset,i.e. education about global/national/local basic human issues and on how all things are interconnected might work?The current(or previous,even) doesn't seem to have "got it".And that's not a criticism of the generation as such,but rather their predecessors who let this slip.This is not an isolated hackspace thing,rather generic.I'm not an angel,but do try to"be the change you want to see".But what's the point,"if the horse doesn't want to drink the water".....? Improvements has been made,especially in the kitchen area.Still chased cockroaches on the wall in the kitchen the other day,though! Still have some troubleshooting on that one to do. Perhaps that's an "unsolvable" one?
T
P.S. There's not always the separated waste stream being processed properly after collection.But rather been counted to meet targets for EU directives and continued funding,and then thrown together again and discarded the usual way.Waste is an "industry" now,where a value has become attached to it,thereby affected by profit/margin/gain/target paradigm,opening itself to corruption.Not sure where Hackney's status are on this...and probably not easy to find out,unless some investigative journo could be led to believe there's a story,and do some discreet enquiries,hmmm...
On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know > how they work.
> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, > and milk like I am..
> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, > and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate > training.
> Paddy
On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know > how they work.
> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, > and milk like I am..
> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, > and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate > training.
> Paddy
On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know > how they work.
> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, > and milk like I am..
> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, > and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate > training.
> Paddy
On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know > how they work.
> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, > and milk like I am..
> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, > and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate > training.
Shorter summary: Recycling only works if everyone knows that bin is definitely recycling only. The second someone screws up and throws in ONE ITEM that isn't recycling in there (or something that is questionably not recyclable) the whole concept collapses into it being a rubbish bin.
Since not everyone reads the mailing list, wiki, or even simple signage while in the Space, I have to agree with Paddy's actions. It's not working even though we have an obviously large output of glass bottles and cans which is probably the least we should be recycling.
On Saturday, 18 August 2012 01:43:06 UTC+1, Tweaker wrote:
> Sad state of affairs...Probably a new generation with different > conditioned values/mindset,i.e. education about global/national/local basic > human issues and on how all things are interconnected might work?The > current(or previous,even) doesn't seem to have "got it".And that's not a > criticism of the generation as such,but rather their predecessors who let > this slip.This is not an isolated hackspace thing,rather generic.I'm not an > angel,but do try to"be the change you want to see".But what's the point,"if > the horse doesn't want to drink the water".....? > Improvements has been made,especially in the kitchen area.Still chased > cockroaches on the wall in the kitchen the other day,though! > Still have some troubleshooting on that one to do. > Perhaps that's an "unsolvable" one?
> T
> P.S. There's not always the separated waste stream being processed > properly after collection.But rather been counted to meet targets for EU > directives and continued funding,and then thrown together again and > discarded the usual way.Waste is an "industry" now,where a value has become > attached to it,thereby affected by profit/margin/gain/target > paradigm,opening itself to corruption.Not sure where Hackney's status are > on this...and probably not easy to find out,unless some investigative > journo could be led to believe there's a story,and do some discreet > enquiries,hmmm...
> D.S.
> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know >> how they work.
>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, >> and milk like I am..
>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, >> and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate >> training.
>> Paddy
> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know >> how they work.
>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, >> and milk like I am..
>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, >> and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate >> training.
>> Paddy
> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know >> how they work.
>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, >> and milk like I am..
>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, >> and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate >> training.
>> Paddy
> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know >> how they work.
>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, >> and milk like I am..
>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, >> and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate >> training.
Plus I should mention that the glass recycling container in the 2nd entrance of the Business Centre has been removed months ago for some reason, which means we have no easy way to recycle the club mate bottles. They go how in the general waste as the recycling container downstairs is only for paper and plastic.
So I'm up for removing the recycling bins too, though we should think of new solution (involving Arduino and LED hopefully...)
On Saturday, 18 August 2012 09:54:53 UTC+1, Akki wrote:
> Uh. What? Wall of Text.
> Shorter summary: > Recycling only works if everyone knows that bin is definitely recycling > only. The second someone screws up and throws in ONE ITEM that isn't > recycling in there (or something that is questionably not recyclable) the > whole concept collapses into it being a rubbish bin.
> Since not everyone reads the mailing list, wiki, or even simple signage > while in the Space, I have to agree with Paddy's actions. It's not working > even though we have an obviously large output of glass bottles and cans > which is probably the least we should be recycling.
> ~Akki
> On Saturday, 18 August 2012 01:43:06 UTC+1, Tweaker wrote:
>> Sad state of affairs...Probably a new generation with different >> conditioned values/mindset,i.e. education about global/national/local basic >> human issues and on how all things are interconnected might work?The >> current(or previous,even) doesn't seem to have "got it".And that's not a >> criticism of the generation as such,but rather their predecessors who let >> this slip.This is not an isolated hackspace thing,rather generic.I'm not an >> angel,but do try to"be the change you want to see".But what's the point,"if >> the horse doesn't want to drink the water".....? >> Improvements has been made,especially in the kitchen area.Still chased >> cockroaches on the wall in the kitchen the other day,though! >> Still have some troubleshooting on that one to do. >> Perhaps that's an "unsolvable" one?
>> T
>> P.S. There's not always the separated waste stream being processed >> properly after collection.But rather been counted to meet targets for EU >> directives and continued funding,and then thrown together again and >> discarded the usual way.Waste is an "industry" now,where a value has become >> attached to it,thereby affected by profit/margin/gain/target >> paradigm,opening itself to corruption.Not sure where Hackney's status are >> on this...and probably not easy to find out,unless some investigative >> journo could be led to believe there's a story,and do some discreet >> enquiries,hmmm...
>> D.S.
>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
>>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know >>> how they work.
>>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, >>> and milk like I am..
>>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is >>> commissioned, and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the >>> appropriate training.
>>> Paddy
>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
>>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know >>> how they work.
>>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, >>> and milk like I am..
>>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is >>> commissioned, and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the >>> appropriate training.
>>> Paddy
>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
>>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know >>> how they work.
>>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, >>> and milk like I am..
>>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is >>> commissioned, and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the >>> appropriate training.
>>> Paddy
>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
>>> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know >>> how they work.
>>> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, >>> and milk like I am..
>>> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is >>> commissioned, and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the >>> appropriate training.
> So I'm up for removing the recycling bins too, though we should think of new
> solution (involving Arduino and LED hopefully...)
Or an automatic rubbish-sorter... spectrometer, induction coil +
magnamometer, couple of mechanical arms... you throw the rubbish into
the Official Hackspace Refuse Ingestion Hopper and the machines do the
rest...
People put the wrong things in the ones downstairs too though....
I don't think it will help hugely. Sadly some people just don't care about
the potentials of recycling.
Maybe we can have some that have lids, and a picture on the lid of what can
go into it at some point in the future and general waste only goes into
ordinary shaped bins....
This will be at a point after the current bins have gone as otherwise it
will just add to the confusion I think.
Just an idea!
Noko
On 18 August 2012 14:14, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
> People put the wrong things in the ones downstairs too though....
> I don't think it will help hugely. Sadly some people just don't care about
> the potentials of recycling.
> Maybe we can have some that have lids, and a picture on the lid of what
> can go into it at some point in the future and general waste only goes into
> ordinary shaped bins....
> This will be at a point after the current bins have gone as otherwise it
> will just add to the confusion I think.
> Just an idea!
> Noko
> On 18 August 2012 14:14, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
>> Downstairs.. hmm.
>> What if we cut a hole in the floor and put a fake bin on top of it?
>> On 18/08/2012 10:57, Adrian Godwin wrote:
>>> Shouldn't the recycling bins upstairs exactly match the ones downstairs ?
>>> I can't see it working otherwise.
Great! Get a least 2 though so pizza boxes can be stacked up on top.
From: london-hack-space@googlegroups.com
[mailto:london-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Steward
Sent: 18 August 2012 19:11
To: london-hack-space@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [london-hack-space] Re: Bins
How about green bin bags (so people realise they're going somewhere else,
and don't have to decant the bins), and lids like these:
On Aug 18, 2012 4:57 PM, "Clare Greenhalgh" <claregreenha...@gmail.com>
wrote:
People put the wrong things in the ones downstairs too though....
I don't think it will help hugely. Sadly some people just don't care about
the potentials of recycling.
Maybe we can have some that have lids, and a picture on the lid of what can
go into it at some point in the future and general waste only goes into
ordinary shaped bins....
This will be at a point after the current bins have gone as otherwise it
will just add to the confusion I think.
Just an idea!
Noko
On 18 August 2012 14:14, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
Downstairs.. hmm.
What if we cut a hole in the floor and put a fake bin on top of it?
On 18/08/2012 10:57, Adrian Godwin wrote:
Shouldn't the recycling bins upstairs exactly match the ones downstairs ?
I can't see it working otherwise.
-adrian
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I have seen automatic sorters of recyclable bottles/cans in German supermarkets that had an entrance chute which then spun the bottle/can to read the original barcode and the would either reject it or direct it to the correct waste bin, crushing it on the way. I imagine there were bins out back that were full of crushed alumium cans, steel cans, PET plastic, clear glass etc etc
The main thing getting in the way of implementing such a solution for hackspace would be access to an extensive product library of all the barcodes
On Saturday, 18 August 2012 10:55:01 UTC+1, dylanbeattie wrote:
> > So I'm up for removing the recycling bins too, though we should think of > new > > solution (involving Arduino and LED hopefully...)
> Or an automatic rubbish-sorter... spectrometer, induction coil + > magnamometer, couple of mechanical arms... you throw the rubbish into > the Official Hackspace Refuse Ingestion Hopper and the machines do the > rest...
Unfortunately I think I have to agree with Paddy on this
Use of the recycling bins does seem to have broken down - as someone said elsewhere in this thread, it only takes one bit of non-recylcable rubbish in the recycling bins to turn it into a general purpose bin :-( It's not the odd can or bottle in the workshop bins that's the main problem.
As someone else pointed out, bis that match the bins downstairs outside would work best, and if the recycling bins have a lid on them that is labelled accordingly then it might stand a better chance of working
On Friday, 17 August 2012 15:43:14 UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
> I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know > how they work.
> Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, > and milk like I am..
> They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, > and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate > training.
