MILL RAGE
Niels
This time it nearly did real damage - functionality reduction.
1) This is being done by someone who has psychological issues with the
mill - possibly identifying it with an all controlling father figure
etc. If so, lock yourself in a dark room and repeat "THE MILL IS NOT
THE MAN" 10,000 times. And/or see a shrink.
2) This is being done by someone who doesn't know that they should set
the stop. You see, on the vertical axis, there is a thing called "the
stop". This stops Mr Drill going below a certain point. You are
supposed to set it so that the tool cannot attack the structure of the
mill.
3) It is possible that this is being done by someone who knows about
2) but can't be bothered. If, so, they need socialisation. I met the
ex-head of the secret police in Rabat, Morocco once at a wedding (long
story). Perhaps we can arrange a holiday in the sun for some re-
education......
4) It is possible that this is being done by someone who isn't
intelligent enough to comprehend 2). In this case eugenics are called
for.
Robert Leverington
dealing with equipment misuse.
Perhaps you could create an information sheet detailing common mistakes
to post near the mill?
Robert
asc
Has this ruined the mill? :(
With the cnc gear coming for it shortly, is that likely to be wasted?
Perhaps with some of this larger gear, we should do common sense
training and issue licenses that say "I'm no longer a fool and have
been trained not to ruin expensive equipment"
Niels
functionality.
On Mar 15, 3:16 pm, asc <a...@narco.tk> wrote:
Niels
spontaneous modification to the user, the machine and bystanders makes
that pretty much essential
Luke Graham
enough to require that.
Luke
Nigel Worsley
No, but it sounds like it came close to trashing the vice. They aren't hugely expensive to replace:
http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/Quick-Release-Vice-100mm.html
Nigle
Simon Howes
Still - people should be drilling into the damned vice. They're surprisingly expensive, and the one we have is on loan to us. Also, vices are made from hard steel - the corresponding drill probably didnt come up the best from the transaction either....
Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 15 Mar 2011, at 15:03, Niels wrote:
> Some has been drilling into the vise for the mill/drill press - again.
..
> 2) This is being done by someone who doesn't know that they should set
> the stop. You see, on the vertical axis, there is a thing called "the
> stop".
Folks - it may help to get messages like this out in a slightly different tone - and a bit more gentle and educational.
Perhaps go as far to have a small checklist next to the drill along the lines of:
1 Set the vertical stopper.
2 If you are making horizontal movements - check clearance - and if needed mark no go areas.
3 Use cap; check that it does not collide with work when moving H/V, removing of chuck-keys-etc and starting 'in the free'.
4 Importance of right speeds & materials
5 Understanding of why/when/what pressure to apply vertical - and what it means/risks when you have (too much) lateral pressure.
6 How the bench is best used when it comes to clamping things to it safely - and the trick with those stepped wedges.
7 And starting and stopping in the free.
or a small training covering same. Happy to talk people through it on tuesdays (though would need a crash course myself for all those obscure brittisch terms for things (such as why on earth is the spinning holder thing named after Mr. Morris?).
Thanks,
Dw.
--
Societies are sometimes judged by how they treat their prisoners, frail and other outliers.
Niels
that needs to stop happening. Spending money on tools that are being
damaged unnecessarily is an epic fail.
Lester Hawksby
> I don't think messages like this are the most constructive way of
> dealing with equipment misuse.
I think this mill rage is quite justified. FFS!
> Perhaps you could create an information sheet detailing common mistakes
> to post near the mill?
This is out of "common mistake" territory and into "if you cannot work
out how not to do this within 30 seconds of looking at the mill, you
have problems" territory,
Lester
Luke Graham
on the table, adjust the stop so the drill just touches the wood, then
put your piece on top. Simples.
Luke
Charles Yarnold
Paul Dart
HAPPY CAT IS HAPPY
(I'm going to keep doing this by the way. If you don't want animal
pictures in your inbox, then stop raging. simples! )
Russ Garrett
As much as this annoys me too, insulting other people on the mailing
list is never justified. As we found out yesterday, a little bit of
annoyance on the mailing list is very easy to escalate into full-blown
drama.
I think this indicates that we need to have a better
training/documentation system. I don't believe it indicates that we
need to start practising eugenics.
--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk
Russ Garrett
> (I'm going to keep doing this by the way. If you don't want animal
> pictures in your inbox, then stop raging. simples! )
Please don't. This meta-drama is much more annoying than the actual drama.
--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk
Mark Steward
I heartily disagree. Too many people are used to poorly maintained
communal machines. I have never had the luxury of seeing a drill
press with no damage to its vice, and would not necessarily have
noticed any damage unless it was pointed out.
Mark
Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 15 Mar 2011, at 15:42, Lester Hawksby wrote:
>> Perhaps you could create an information sheet detailing common mistakes
>> to post near the mill?
>
> This is out of "common mistake" territory and into "if you cannot work
> out how not to do this within 30 seconds of looking at the mill, you
> have problems" territory,
Sorry - I beg to differ here.
While I agree that if you are familiar with the concept of a stopper - it takes seconds to recognise them on a new machine and understand how to use it.
But if you've never worked with kit that has such - you need to be pointed to it the first time.
Likewise - it is just as important to understand why things like the vice have a lower area middle and a gap left/right - and how that helps you use the stopper more effectively. As otherwise you would not even 'recognise' what these things are for.
Keep in mind that if one is unfamiliar with the whole concept of a stopper - it is hard to recognise features like that. But once you know what it does - it is dead obvious.
Same thing with something like the nonius/vernier scales (what is the proper english name?) on the Mill (or any caliper, etc) --- it is very hard to guess what it does - but once you know - you never forget and it is 'easy'.
Thanks,
Dw.
Adrian Godwin
I don't think messages like this are the most constructive way of
dealing with equipment misuse.
Perhaps you could create an information sheet detailing common mistakes
to post near the mill?
However, I do think a small shout is justified over this sort of thing - it wasn't that insulting, was made in a semi-humorous tone, and was quite a lot less provocative than some recent llama postings.
It should be pretty obvious you've done something bad if there's a hole in a part of the tool that wasn't there before you started. A school workshop full of 16 year olds suffer lower damage rates than this.
-adrian
Simon Howes
To be honest I never use the stopper on any of my machines unless i want to set the tool to drill to a predetermined depth for one or more holes. Usually because I'm drilling a blind (or through) hole.
Through holes are fast and easy to drill, but you need something underneath - you cannot use the toolbed as that will (you guessed it) drill the toolbed.
Btw: there are no holes in my vices, on my xy table or my drill press table. The tool table is part of the tool, not a consumable...
Simon Howes
Why are you spamming out the posting with this?
The point of discussion is to solve problems - i think people have been pretty good natured in this vein so far and the tone has been constructive and positive. Sorry if you feel this is a 'rage' I think the original intention was to draw attention to the problem in a jokey way.
Posting cats isnt inline with that (what intention did you actually have?)
spooq
yesterday, I mean he even copied the thread title. I will deal with
him later, when I've heated a steel rod to glowing red.
Luke
Mark Steward
> I think it is pretty clear Niels is parodying me being a bastard
> yesterday, I mean he even copied the thread title. I will deal with
> him later, when I've heated a steel rod to glowing red.
>
Shame, he missed the chance to use "Trouble at' mill".
Sam Cook
Shame, he missed the chance to use "Trouble at' mill".