Room/area proposals for Hackney445 (was Update on 445 Hackney Road)

[SamLR]

Hi 

I've forked this off as I suspect there will be at least 2 other discussions going on and it's probably worth making them a bit more separate. No real proposals as such just somethings that we may want to consider (as well as Adrian & Sam's suggestions for rooms).

On 8 January 2013 23:24, Adrian Godwin <artg...@gmail.com> wrote: 

welding and grinding - mustn't mix with anything else

lathes and drills - mustn't suffer grinding dust

paint - mustn't  suffer sawdust, can produce overspray

laser - mustn't suffer dust or spray, needs ventilation

wood - no oil, produces much dust

electronics - generally clean, needs computers, good light

computers - away from windows and glare

 

As well (as suggested by Sam Kelly) :

- Clean workshop (textiles, paper) including drying space - clean, good light

Maybe a better division would be something like this:

- Machining tools (lathes, mills, drills)

- Welding

- Wood 

- Clean room (incl laser cutter?)

I'm loathe to give (spray)painting it's own area as it might be better done outside (maybe on the loading bay?) 

Also how is best to split these areas off? Obviously welding will need optical separation (i.e. at least the welding curtains). The most basic would be to put up heavy dust sheets or similar, it won't be perfect but we could change it as needed. At the other end would be fully partitioned rooms (possibly with ventilation where needed). 

Also are there any plans for the car park? Obviously an as-secure-as-we-can-make-it bike shed will be needed but is there anything else we can/would want to do there (e.g. mechanics area? Shipping container for storage?)

Other things: IIRC there's a shower in one of the toilets, do we want to keep it? Will the space have enough toilets (or too many?) Do we want to implement a better kitchen (from what I remember it's a fridge and a microwave). 

Where do we want to run network to (beyond 'everywhere') do we want to run anything else while we're at it (audio/visual/CCTV/alpha wave detection modules).

One proposal I'd make is to put the laser cutter upstairs out of the workshop, firstly for ease of ventilation secondly as it's not very messy and is very delicate. 

S

[Billy]

Ventilation and dust extraction are a must.

How much structural changes can we make?

Obviously we can't remove support beams, but what are the limits to
what we can do to the place?

On 9 Jan, 00:11, SamLR <sam.lindenrat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I've forked this off as I suspect there will be at least 2 other
> discussions going on and it's probably worth making them a bit more
> separate. No real proposals as such just somethings that we may want to
> consider (as well as Adrian & Sam's suggestions for rooms).
>

[Charles Yarnold]

I started a list a while back with things *needed* to be done to the new space to get us on our feet. In all likely hood we will have 2 weeks in the new space before the move, a long weekend to move all the junk then 2 weeks to return the old space to a state we can hand it back tot he land lords.

http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/New_Space_Search/Renovation

Again this list is only the bare essentials I have listed from my site visit.

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[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

> Hi
>
> I've forked this off as I suspect there will be at least 2 other
> discussions going on and it's probably worth making them a bit more
> separate. No real proposals as such just somethings that we may want to
> consider (as well as Adrian & Sam's suggestions for rooms).
>

I missed the fork, so re-posting this here with some extra:

On 09/01/2013 00:11, SamLR wrote:

> welding and grinding - mustn't mix with anything else

Also put brazing and furnace work with these. Flammable, able to produce
dangerous fumes & residues. Will need ventilation.
* Dirty area.
* Area risk (noise, blinding UV light, EMF, flying debris)

> lathes and drills - mustn't suffer grinding dust

But will produce swarf, chips, leave oil & grease residues on nearby
surfaces, coolent/lubricant spray.
* Dirty area.
* Area risk (noise, flying debris)

> paint - mustn't suffer sawdust, can produce overspray

A simple spray-booth can be made from one of those greenhouse tents.
Also cheap enough to replace say once a year (especially at the end of
growing season).
* Clean area (able to be)
* Will need ventilation.
* Local material storage

> laser - mustn't suffer dust or spray, needs ventilation

* Clean area
* Will need POINT ventilation

> wood - no oil, produces much dust

* Storage, clean area
* Working, dirty area
* Will require *extraction*

> electronics - generally clean, needs computers, good light

* Clean area
* Ventilation for acid-baths & soldering

> computers - away from windows and glare

* Clean area

I'd also add "textiles & crafts" which'd also need a clean area.


While we can't be too specific without at least a map of the area, the
main issue I see is ventilation verses "offence to the senses".

Welding, grinding, brazing, casting, painting, etc.. all need good
active ventilation, which gives it a priority of being upstairs near the
big rear doors. They're also the dirtiest, so you'd think they should be
prioritised near the bathroom with shower, rather than have filth
trampled through the space.
However they're also noisy and not particularly inviting to look at
(even dangerous), and if we want more members we need the upstairs to
feel inviting. Ideally we also don't want to annoy the upstairs
neighbours with excess noise and save us any future landlord issues.

Having a welcoming environment coexist on the same floor as these
processes is tricky, but I think it can be done if we compartmentalise
off around the rear door. Say leave enough reserved space to get a small
vehicle or rear portion of a van into the workshop (because someone will
want to do car repairs now they can, or unload out of rain). Say 3-4
meters? Then have a partition wall with courtesy windows for the
curious. Grinder noise is the only issue. I doubt proper soundproofing
will be economical, but some curtains over the wall may suffice for any
night-work. Simply opening the doors during day-work will decrease sound
internally. Grinding does seem to be done in sessions, so isn't a
*continual* noise issue.
So have a reserved work area large enough for a SMALL vehicle with the
metalworking tool stations along one side and the bathroom the other.
Perhaps even a short "porch" for it, for hanging coats/boilersuits and
further limit cross-contamination by dirt/sound/scent.

With metalworking cordoned off, the majority of the rest of the upstairs
gets to be social (making use of countertop area and mini-kitchen).

I'd put drills, woodworking, rage-saw and lathes/3-in-1 downstairs,
again partitioned off from cleaner crafts work & laser cutter, and again
from electronics in another partition but sharing a ventilation conduit.

And doormats everywhere so people wipe their feet between areas.

I don't think it'd break up the sense of space TOO much.

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> As well (as suggested by Sam Kelly) :
>
> - Clean workshop (textiles, paper) including drying space - clean, good
> light

Oooh, drying space. Good thinking! I wonder, would it be safe/advisable
to use the utility room for this? The machinery in there must surely
make it warm and good for drying.

> Maybe a better division would be something like this:
> - Machining tools (lathes, mills, drills)
> - Welding
> - Wood
> - Clean room (incl laser cutter?)

A clean room would be the perfect place for the vacuum-station. It will
be a lot more reliable in such a place.

> I'm loathe to give (spray)painting it's own area as it might be better
> done outside (maybe on the loading bay?)

See above suggestions. Just buy a cheap "collapsible" greenhouse. Won't
fit more than a bike-frame in it, but can just get a bigger one later.

> Also how is best to split these areas off? Obviously welding will need
> optical separation (i.e. at least the welding curtains). The most basic
> would be to put up heavy dust sheets or similar, it won't be perfect but
> we could change it as needed. At the other end would be fully
> partitioned rooms (possibly with ventilation where needed).

Grinding is the big issue. It's a very (hurr-hurr) abrasive noise.
However I think a solid wall should muffle it enough to make it's
occasional use tolerable.

> Also are there any plans for the car park? Obviously an
> as-secure-as-we-can-make-it bike shed will be needed but is there
> anything else we can/would want to do there (e.g. mechanics area?
> Shipping container for storage?)

Shipping container was also suggested for bio-hacking. While we have the
space for a few in the car-park, remember they're usually delivered by
truck & possibly crane for larger ones. The rear road access dimensions
will determine what sizes are feasible.

> Other things: IIRC there's a shower in one of the toilets, do we want to
> keep it? Will the space have enough toilets (or too many?) Do we want to
> implement a better kitchen (from what I remember it's a fridge and a
> microwave).

I say keep it. Put a little lobby around it with a couple of coat-hooks,
it can serve as a dirt airlock from the metalworking area (if placed by
the door) where you can wash your hair free of iron filings before
taking the train home. It'll be a godsend after a day of either metal or
woodwork.
Just make sure it has an "occupied" timer on the door, play an alarm at
20/30min use so no one plays silly buggers with it.

> Where do we want to run network to (beyond 'everywhere') do we want to
> run anything else while we're at it (audio/visual/CCTV/alpha wave
> detection modules).

It's probably bikeshedding, but I still love the idea of networked
speakers & cameras for that Aperture Science vibe. Each area has a
camera and a speaker. CCTV like currently, but expand doorbot for
space-wide status warnings like telephone, smoke, welder-in-use, maybe
text-to-speech from logged in users viewing cams on the website (with
user ID of course). And with virtual terminals, let them act as speakers
for different music in each discrete area.

> One proposal I'd make is to put the laser cutter upstairs out of the
> workshop, firstly for ease of ventilation secondly as it's not very
> messy and is very delicate.

I like the clean-room idea. Yes ventilation, but not as excessive as the
metalworkings. I'd say have a small ducted system shared by this, the
etch-tank and soldering areas, all of which are supposed to be basically
"clean".
Yes I know the etch-tank is a mess and a messy thing, but it *shouldn't* be.

[Adrian Godwin]

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
> Yes I know the etch-tank is a mess and a messy thing, but it *shouldn't* be.

It should be less messy than it is, but there's no reason to put it
near electronics stuff. Nor welding stuff. It has acid fumes which
should be kept away from metalwork and will occasioanlly suffer leaks,
however careful we are.

It's far more important for electronics to be clean, light, tidy.
Ventialtion is unimportant - it might be nice not to directly breathe
flux fumes but they dissipate quickly away from the bench and don't
need extraction. A small fan is sufficient.

[tim_n]

Having a bund under the etch tank would probably be a good idea for those leaks.  Similarly if we have an oil/chemical storage area we could bund that too.

 

You can buy larger cheap plastic greenhouses (think 6x4) for about £50 but they're a pain to setup - might be better to just put a curtain rail up in the corner with a shower curtain on it and pull it round whatever you're spraying at the time?  Is it likely that welding and spraying is going to happen at the same time? Could the same area be used?

 

For things like telephone calls etc, may be a good idea to install a flashing light system - so in the workshop you'd know the phone was ringing.

 

my view of storage containers is that they're a magnet for theives.  Our one at my scout hall was broken into repeatidly even though it had nothing of value in.  One time we found that they'd broken in and dragged some stained matress to make into their love nest.

 

Having been doing my first welding at the weekend, a good lightsource over it helps!

[SamLR]

(NB this is the same as I posted in the main thread)

Would it be worth considering having upstairs be the workshop and downstairs be the computer space? It might not be as pleasant but given that a dearth of windows is better for glare on screens. It also means that we aren't dependant on the lift for getting gear in and out (given it doesn't currently work and that may be the case again). The other benefit is that the basement should be easier to heat (as it doesn't have a huge window and roller shutter to let heat out via) as well as all the benefits of ease of ventilation. Obviously entrance via the front doors will be directly into the workshop (or possibly along a corridor or similar) but via the backdoor (IIRC) you can go straight downstairs.  

Moving on from that I think we need to look at how we're going to heat the upper floor anyway, that shutter is going to let out a lot of heat and I imagine not get used often. I'd be in favour of boxing it off to some degree anyway just to supply further insulation 

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[Adrian Godwin]

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:06 AM, SamLR <sam.lind...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Moving on from that I think we need to look at how we're going to heat the
> upper floor anyway, that shutter is going to let out a lot of heat and I
> imagine not get used often. I'd be in favour of boxing it off to some degree
> anyway just to supply further insulation
>

Curtains ?

Easier to fit than boxing, easier to move when needed, and may be
cheaper if something surplus can be found.

The modern industrial choice would be PVC but they're expensive and
leaky. Traditional fabric curtains may be a bit weird but are
extremely effective .. maybe we could scrounge some old theatrical
drapes ?

[tom k&e]

I know some brewing has happened in the past.Would anyone else be interested in a proper homebrewing setup? Whether this was a semi-permanent setup, or just power / water / drainage fixtures in another area would depend on how many people were interested. I've got a fair amount of experience with homebrew, as I do all grain brews about once a month in my garage. I know a lot of people don't have the space needed, but are interested in what is a big growth area in London right now; from something like 2 to 25 breweries in the capital over the last 5 years.

Tom

[Martin Johnston]

+1 for brewing space!

[Martin (Crypt)]

I'm worried we're looking to reserve space for activities that rarely happen, and activities that can easily be done in general spaces.  As I'm aware, brewing was only done once at the space, and fit perfectly well in around everything else that was going on.  I'm all up for brewing, but not at the expence of having a space reserved for it.  We should try to find out the needs of various groups (also including biohacking and others here ) before we say each should be reserved its own space.  I know we are going to have a lot more room, but doesn't necissarily mean that each group can have space reserved just for that activity.  Before we go reserving space, ask yourself, do you really need a space reserved for that activity? can it be done in a general area without any inconvenience? and does this happen enough to warrent its own space?

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Martin Johnston <martin.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

+1 for brewing space!

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[tom k&e]

As I said, the amount of space and effort put into this can be scaled to how much interest there actually is. At a minimum all we'd need is somewhere permanent to store brewing vessels, ingredients, and brews which are currently underway; and a space to actually brew, which could be used for other purposes the rest of the time.

To an extent though it's a "build it and they will come" thing; more people will want to give it a go if there's proper equipment that doesn't require extensive assembly every time. These photos (not mine) give some idea of what can be done in a relatively small space

http://s1325.beta.photobucket.com/user/moleseybrewer/media/13072012342.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4

[Dean Forbes]

I would like to see an area for hot work (welding grinding) and machine work (lathe & mill) set aside

[Clare Greenhalgh]

We definitely want to keep the shower!

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[Charles Yarnold]

On 9 Jan 2013 12:18, "Martin (Crypt)" <crys...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm worried we're looking to reserve space for activities that rarely happen, and activities that can easily be done in general spaces.  As I'm aware, brewing was only done once at the space, and fit perfectly well in around everything else that was going on.  I'm all up for brewing, but not at the expence of having a space reserved for it.  We should try to find out the needs of various groups (also including biohacking and others here ) before we say each should be reserved its own space.  I know we are going to have a lot more room, but doesn't necissarily mean that each group can have space reserved just for that activity.  Before we go reserving space, ask yourself, do you really need a space reserved for that activity? can it be done in a general area without any inconvenience? and does this happen enough to warrent its own space?

+1 to this. Most things actually just need storage space and can be setup when needed

[Aden]

+2 we should define general types of activity for an area, rather than
dedicating areas to specific activities.

eg, dirty workshop, clean workshop, storage area, desk area.

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[SamLR]

On 9 January 2013 12:52, Aden <ad...@aden.org.uk> wrote:

+2 we should define general types of activity for an area, rather than
dedicating areas to specific activities.

eg, dirty workshop, clean workshop, storage area, desk area.

I was trying to do this but as Adrian pointed out there are some required sub-division (e.g. 'dirty, low dust', 'dirty, fumes', 'dirty dusty', 'dirty oil free'). 

Perhaps an easier way of dealing with this would be figure out the maximum number of sub-divisions without producing pointless 'rooms' (at a guess 3x3 m) then attribute then as required?

S

[Nigel Worsley]

> Adrian Godwin wrote:
>> SamLR <sam.lind...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That shutter is going to let out a lot of heat and I

>> imagine not get used often. I'd be in favour of boxing it off to some degree

>Curtains ?

> The modern industrial choice would be PVC but they're expensive and leaky.

And also look rather naff.

> Traditional fabric curtains may be a bit weird but are extremely
> effective .. maybe we could scrounge some old theatrical drapes ?

They would be ideal as they are usually a very heavy fabric. This would stop them
being blown around in the wind too much and would also help with sound
transmission.

Nigle

[Paul Dart]

As everyone else is putting in their 2p, it'd be nice to have an area
(or in reality just a desk that can probably be shared use) for radio
stuff.
Near electronics/soldering benches would be nice.

What we really need is a load of cupboards/shelves to store things on
that don't need to be out all the time.

Cheers,

Paul

[Charles Yarnold]

I can't speak for Aden, but I'm happy with 'dirty, low dust', 'dirty, fumes', 'dirty dusty', 'dirty oil free' areas, just specifics like "brewing area" that don't need a 24/7/365 space just for it that I was objecting to.

[tim_n]

+1 for the brewspace.

 

http://www.theelectricbrewery.com/

 

^ one of those please.

[Adrian Godwin]

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Paul Dart <paul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What we really need is a load of cupboards/shelves to store things on
> that don't need to be out all the time.
>

+1

Many things can be kept in a storage crate but radios, testgear etc.
don't fit well. We could do with a solution that alllows us to store
whole activities without excessive effort needed to get them out and
put them away afterwards.

I've been wondering for a while whether we copy something one of the
US hackspaces does and palletise some items - so they can be stacked
close together and wheeled out in a lump when needed.

A possible candidate might be brewing stuff.

Others (more as examples than proposals .. please don't get worked up
about whether items in this list are used frequently enough to be left
in a permanent place) :

radio gear
extended electronics bench (ie more than just scope, power supply, dvm)
environmental chamber
welding gear
games machine
stratasys (assuming it gets repaired)
photographic gear

[David Sullivan]

On Wednesday, 9 January 2013 14:17:52 UTC, artg...@googlemail.com wrote:

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Paul Dart <paul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What we really need is a load of cupboards/shelves to store things on
> that don't need to be out all the time.
>

Many things can be kept in a storage crate but radios, testgear etc. 
don't fit well. We could do with a solution that alllows us to store
whole activities without excessive effort needed to get them out and
put them away afterwards.

I've been wondering for a while whether we copy something one of the
US hackspaces does and palletise some items - so they can be stacked
close together and wheeled out in a lump when needed.

A possible candidate might be brewing stuff.

Others (more as examples than proposals .. please don't get worked up
about whether items in this list are used frequently enough to be left
in a permanent place)  :

Palletisation is impractical but heavier load AV trollies like

http://www.slingsby.com/c-17812-tough-plastic-av-trolleys-slingsby.aspx

or

http://www.slingsby.com/c-17591-steel-av-trolleys-slingsby.aspx

could be used to move and temporarily set up equipment and items and I've used one of the larger plastic ones for temporarily dealing with extra hardware in my office.

Sully.

[SamLR]

Possibly an overly complex solution but many of these things only really need a desk or so. Might it be worth having a pull out desk? It would make set-up/tear-down easy (and likely to happen) and would probably only take a little more space than the raw storage.

I'm not sure if this would work well for everything but for things like radio, electronics, textiles it might be a good option. 

Brewing stuff would be fun but I would vote that any space given to it waits until everything else is sorted out first.

S

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[Lynz]

Apologies if this was brought up previously in the other thread but is there a plan for a meet up to discuss and draw out proposals for the new space?

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

From the photos of 445, it looks like several of the rooms are already
packed with dexion-style steel shelving that can be reconfigured.

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

Brewing is going to mostly be a storage thing. You mix ingredients then
leave it alone for weeks. So brewing can take advantage of any otherwise
inconvenient storage spaces that would be bad for frequent access.

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[cepm...@yahoo.co.uk]

I would suggest that whatever divisions are thought desirable initially be
produced by hanging 1000 gauge poly sheet or similar from battens on the
ceiling. This would be advantageous several ways....

1/ The space could be divided up into separate areas very quickly. I
estimate 6/7 metres an hour or so with three people at it. A couple/three
days to do the whole space. This means we have clean areas and dirty areas
separated from day one.

2/ Doors between areas can be cut anywhere and moved at will by simply
cutting a new one and patching over the old with a bit of poly gaffer
taped in place.

3/ If an area proves to be wrong shape/size then the partition is easily
moved.

4/ When the layout is finally agreed upon then proper stud walls can be
built one at a time to suit the finances/labour available.

Taping down the bottom of the walls and intelligent placement of
furniture, shelving etc will help to stop the walls flapping about and
doorways can be made nearly dust tight with the right construction
technique. The sheeting can be re-used in various ways


Obviously the above plan is not without disadvantages, there might be fire
implications (fire resistant sheeting is available for those areas that
might need it) and sound insulation will be non existent but overall it is
a scheme that has a reasonable chance of success

Phil

--
" et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos. "

[SamLR]

On 9 January 2013 16:06, <cepm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I would suggest that whatever divisions are thought desirable initially be produced by hanging 1000 gauge poly sheet or similar from battens on the ceiling. 

+1 even if it didn't have all the other advantages (speed, cost, adaptability) it would look damn cool

Another thing we have to remember (should possibly put in the other thread) we need to put back what we knocked down in unit 23 & 24. 

S  

[Tim Reynolds]

I'm not entirely sure that would look cool. At all. We don't have to put back _everything_ in 23/24 either. I think the big thing is the wall between them. 

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[Billy]

On 9 Jan, 16:13, Tim Reynolds <t...@christwithfries.net> wrote:
> I'm not entirely sure that would look cool. At all. We don't have to put back _everything_ in 23/24 either. I think the big thing is the wall between them.
>

It's only breeze block. Cutting that to size and cementing it in,
isn't hard.

It'll be an opportunity to learn about brick-laying, and cement-
mixing... :))

> > On 9 January 2013 16:06, <cepmen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> I would suggest that whatever divisions are thought desirable initially be produced by hanging 1000 gauge poly sheet or similar from battens on the ceiling.
>
> > +1 even if it didn't have all the other advantages (speed, cost, adaptability) it would look damn cool
>

An excellent idea. It allows us to test out the layout of the new
space.

Installing the dust extraction/ventilation will be a more long-term
thing. Once we know where everything is going, then we can start to
work out what ducting we need.

> > Another thing we have to remember (should possibly put in the other thread) we need to put back what we knocked down in unit 23 & 24.
>

Putting the toilet back, for instance... :))

> > S
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[930913]

Just a reminder that the car park needs to be earmarked. Just to throw out a seed figure, how about three spaces reserved for member parking, another three for spray booths, greenhouses, containers, etc., one for bike storage and the rest we try rent out to raise funds to offset the rent. (As we grow and get more subscribers, we can reclaim the space.) Members parking should be only for members currently in the space - as with any large object, "storing" it should be only with permission from the mailing list. Any unrented space is considered extra member parking.

Poly sheets sounds a good idea. If we used the pillars to section the space into lots of interconnected 4x4m squares, it would limit the distribution and migration of dust and filings.

Hanging from the ceiling, as well as power cables, could we have flexible hosing connecting to vacuum cleaners, which could plug in to extraction adapters, and be used to quickly hoover up after you've finished. (At the moment, you've got to find, drag, plug, suck, put back. The convenience of simply pulling down a hose should result in a cleaner space.)

Call me crazy, but if we sectioned off a sound dampened booth (pad it with foam and egg cartons :) ) it would keep sound in as well as out. So if we put the rage saw, degausser and any other loud equipment in the booth, the music hackers can use it for whatever stuff music hackers need it for, and the shocks when loud tools are turned on are reduced. (Clashes won't happen often, will they?)

Following with the Aperture Science theme, (can we make that official?) rather than a camera, microphone and speaker in every room, can we make Wheatley on rails? :D (Webcam, motor, speaker, microphone and perhaps a raspi? connects to members only web interface like the current workshop cam.)

[Billy]

What about proper power distribution to the different parts of the
workshop?

The daisy-chained extension-leads/plug-boards are a relatively
functional solution that was easy to implement, but it's not ideal,
and occasionally leads to problems with conflicting requirements for
power. Having the welding equipment and the laser-cutter on the same
breaker is not ideal.

Renting out car-parking spaces can be a good source of revenue, but
we'd need to get the proper public liability insurance...

[Billy]

Will we need to get the new space re-certified by Ofcomm as a test
centre for the Radio Certification.

I don't know what was required the first time, maybe the people who
did it last time could comment.

Also where would be a good spot to mount the antenna's?

[tim_n]

+1 for wheatley.  Web controlled voice from above yelling obsenities at you at the middle of the night.  I can't see that being misused at all.

[Tim Storey]

what could go wrong
+1
\t

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[Mark Steward]

Meetings are extremely problematic for a membership of over 560.  I'd suggest adding proposals on the wiki, and have any discussion on the mailing list so anyone can see:

  http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/New_Space_Search/Layout

Mark

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM, <tm_we...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Will there be a meeting to discuss proposals for the use of space?

On Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:42:23 UTC, Billy wrote:

Ventilation and dust extraction are a must.

How much structural changes can we make?

Obviously we can't remove support beams, but what are the limits to
what we can do to the place?

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[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

Format it: "Username XXXX says '12345bums'" and log all instances of
use. Should make it easy enough to monitor abuse.

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