> It will also discuss the history of pirate radio and use in activist movements.
> Proposed date: In quiet space on Monday 24th - 3 to 6pm - then
> informal discussion with Sakura.
>
Id be very interested in learning about how to build a transmitter,
however the time and date (during the day during the week) will
prevent the vast majority of members from attending, myself included.
What exactly makes it a pirate radio? Surely it's just a DIY
transmitter until it's mounted in a vessel flying the jolly roger?
Not so interested in the politics to be honest, unless it involves
tales of swashbuckling.
Darren
-adrian
In the event of a successful hunt, will we have a blooding where we
smear the powdered contents of NiCd batteries on our cheeks?
See http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2007/27/part/2
Nigle
--
>
++++++++++[>+>+++>++
+++++>++++++++++<<<<
-]>>>+++++++.>++++++
+++++.+++..---------
.++++++++++.<<+++.<.
However the technical matter of constructing a transmitter is
perfectly reasonable, especially for the licensed members. The
techniques are appropriate for adjacent amateur bands (though nbfm
would be preferred).
-adrian
> However the technical matter of constructing a transmitter is
> perfectly reasonable, especially for the licensed members. The
> techniques are appropriate for adjacent amateur bands
>
> -adrian
>
+1
--
Hmm, that really depends on the content of the workshop in my opinion,
and how the information is put across.
I'll admit that the mention of politics and *pirate* radio doesnt
agree with me entirely. But the sport lock picking and hacking hacking
workshops could be viewed in a similar way at first glance. But it's
the way in which these workshops are run, i.e. that the workshops are
for fun, education, and have big warnings that we disagree with and
discourage the illegal use of the skills being taught which hopefully
sets them apart from section 44.
Darren
Speaking of which, is there a plan to run courses/practicals/exams for
the next level?
Not so.
If the person building the transmitter intends it to be used (by themself or by others) without a license then
they are committing an offense under the wireless telegraphy act. It cannot be licensed and if they aren't
intending it to be used then why are they building it?
Anyone encouraging or assisting in this is also committing an offence if they know this.
Nigle
they may be building it to learn the principles...
Isn't the hackspace quite often about making things which aren't
actually useful but whose construction is a learning experience in
itself?
FWIW, the Merit electronics set I had as a kid had instructions for a
small transmitter and I'm not quite old enough to predate the Wireless
Telegraphy Act 1949, which I think was the one that outlawed running
unlicensed transmitters.
S
--
But the technical challenge of building an RF amplifier is distinct
from the illegal use of it outside of the license conditions, and a
70MHz or 144Mhz amplifier is very little different from a 100Mhz
amplifier. And transmitters can be built and legally used on those
bands by some people in the space.
I do note Mark's comments that a higher license level is required
though - I'm not up to date with the current licensing, I thought the
differences were entirely related to transmit power levels.
-adrian
True, but the original post said "Get your hands dirty building a pirate radio
transmitter!" so it will be difficult to claim that it was built for legal
amateur radio use!
Nigle
Luke
I have a horrible feeling you might be right.
On 17 October 2011 13:16, Nigel Worsley <nig...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> If the person building the transmitter intends it to be used (by themself or
> by others) without a license then
> they are committing an offense under the wireless telegraphy act. It cannot
> be licensed and if they aren't
> intending it to be used then why are they building it?
Well, building it is fine, but possessing a transmitter with intent to
use it is an offence (s36). Using it is an offence (s35), and
permitting it to be used on your premises is an offence (s37). (The
foundation amateur license doesn't allow you to use a device you've
built on the amateur bands.)
In allowing someone to run a workshop involving building these things,
as a director of the Hackspace it appears that I would be guilty under
s44 of SOCA of encouraging a breach of at least sections 35 and 36 of
the WTA.
More pragmatically, Hackspace is about education. I don't think there
is anything technical which could be learned by building a transmitter
for the FM broadcast bands which could not be learned by doing the
amateur radio license course.
Someone, right about now, will point out that we allow lock picking.
But lock picking is more legitimate (you can open your own locks, and
it is established that you can do it for fun), than building a
broadcast-band transmitter which you can never legally do anything
with.
So I think that it's best if we don't have this workshop in the
Hackspace. I hope people understand my reasoning here.
--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk
> I believe you can transmit up to 50nW (yes nano) on FM. However, I
> think some focus on the legality in this workshop is vital, as the blurb
> seemed to imply the attendees would be using the equipment.
Is this how the ipod fm transmitters work? (The things that let you
'connect' your mp3 player to a car radio), or are they just grey imports?
--
[http://pointless.net/] [0x2ECA0975]
--
Yes, they used to be grey imports but they were legalised in the UK in
2008 (iirc). But they are only legal to use if they're CE-marked.
--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk
what if the workshop was to focus on making < 50nW transmitters (with a view to getting ce-cert, if necessary), and how to stay legal?
I think a lot of people are genuinely interested in the technology and how, practically, a radio station works. It doesn't mean anyone's planning pirate broadcasts.
It's worth noting that hobby / community transmitters are not illegal everywhere in the world. De-regulation is taking place in many places (e.g. the USA [1]). The 2006 legalisation of iTrip style devices appears to be a step in that direction for the UK. Low-power, inexpensive radio broadcast, while currently proscribed, is still a valid and useful hacker skill.
There's also the possibility of getting a Restricted Service License [2], which seems to be what some pirate stations have done.
It would be a shame to cancel a potentially awesome workshop on the wrong assumption that its only applications are illegal.
/m
[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/25/arts/25radio.html?_r=1
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_Service_Licence
I don't think that's either technically (measuring a <50nW EIRP would
be complex in itself), or legally feasible, and nor do I think it's
terribly useful. 50nW gives you a couple of metres range, which has
little practical use beyond the iTrip-style stuff.
> I think a lot of people are genuinely interested in the technology and how, practically, a radio station works. It doesn't mean anyone's planning pirate broadcasts.
If you're interested in the transmission technology you should get an
amateur license. That's exactly what the amateur licensing system is
there for, and it serves a valid purpose in educating people (to a
certain extent) about interference. We run them at the Hackspace,
they're not expensive.
If you're interested in running a radio station then just use the
Internet, or get an RSL.
> It's worth noting that hobby / community transmitters are not illegal everywhere in the world. De-regulation is taking place in many places (e.g. the USA [1]).
That's not deregulation, that's simply changing regulation rules. I
would wager that they still require FCC-approved transmitters for
these low-power transmitters.
> It would be a shame to cancel a potentially awesome workshop on the wrong assumption that its only applications are illegal.
Come on, the workshop was called "how to build a pirate radio
transmitter". I don't think I've misinterpreted that. Its only
applications *are* illegal. You cannot legally operate a home-built
radio transmitter in the UK unless you have a license.
--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk
--