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[Robin Lee Powell]

Got the jbovlaste hack back in place; see
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbovlaste+Wiki+Local+Tiki+Hack for
examples.

-Robin

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[Hugglesworth]

A few words we need to decide on.

Tarot - li'ulisri (traveler's story)?
I'm dispirit for a word for 'Install'; as in "I installed mplayer".
Suggestions?
razor - kredakfu (hair knife)?
shaving - krevimcu (hair removal)

Let the nitpicking begin!

[Jonathan Jones]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Hugglesworth <raposa.ms...@gmail.com> wrote:

A few words we need to decide on.

Tarot - li'ulisri (traveler's story)?
I'm dispirit for a word for 'Install'; as in "I installed mplayer".
Suggestions?

samjmina
 

razor - kredakfu (hair knife)?
shaving - krevimcu (hair removal)

Let the nitpicking begin!

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[Lindar]

I'm updating the Bathroom and Hygiene section with as much vocab as I
can pull from JVS.

I'm running into problems, though.

http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/cavysezlu'i
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/cavlu'i

>____>

We can't have two words that mean (essentially) the same thing.
What are we meant to do about this problem? It exists quite a bit on
JVS.

[james riley]

Someone (read, not me. Well, not for a few months) needs to trawl JVS for repeats. And do something about them. Clearly it shouldn't be up to one person to decide which is the better word, so they should post the list of repeats somewhere in the wiki.

Cmacis

[Luke Bergen]

Isn't that why the whole voting system?

On May 16, 2010 8:20 PM, "james riley" <jimr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Someone (read, not me. Well, not for a few months) needs to trawl JVS for repeats. And do something about them. Clearly it shouldn't be up to one person to decide which is the better word, so they should post the list of repeats somewhere in the wiki.

Cmacis

On 17 May 2010 01:14, Lindar <lindar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

> I'm updating the Bathroom and Hy...

[Lindar]

selsnu gidva section 'bathroom and hygiene' missing following words:

shower (noun)
conditioner (n) ((like "shampoo and conditioner"))
^ the matching verb
comb (verb)
hair brush ((we have "burcu", but "kreburcu" isn't defined))
^ the matching verb
strigil
pomice
plunger
selgregau (flush) hasn't been defined
zaglumbaktu (bidet) hasn't been defined
kredakfu / razor hasn't been defined
^ the matching verb
strop
aftershave
cologne/perfume
denbru (toothbrush) has not been defined
^ the matching verb
Does denpesxu sound malgli? That's what's in JVS for 'toothpaste'.
dencilta (floss) hasn't been defined
^ the matching verb
ja'urka'a (nail-clippers) hasn't been defined
^ the matching verb

SO! These are words that need to be defined for right now.

Sorry to have dropped the project. We're finally reaching the intended
purpose of the guide, building more vocabulary. Thank you for all of
your help and participation so far!

[Pierre Abbat]

On Sunday 16 May 2010 20:14:26 Lindar wrote:
> I'm updating the Bathroom and Hygiene section with as much vocab as I
> can pull from JVS.
>
> I'm running into problems, though.
>
> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/cavysezlu'i
> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/cavlu'i
>
> >____>
>
> We can't have two words that mean (essentially) the same thing.
> What are we meant to do about this problem? It exists quite a bit on
> JVS.

"cavlu'i" means "to shower someone"; "cavysezlu'i" means "to take a shower".
If I had a baby and took him with me into the shower, I'd use the former.
Both words should have an x3 (cavlu'i)/x2 (cavysezlu'i) for what is washed
off.

Pierre
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[Luke Bergen]

Would it be unreasonable to say {mi cavlu'i} where context makes it clear that I'm heading to the shower to {cavlu'i mi}?

Would this be bad grammar, bad form, or just not as articulate as it could be?  

There are definitely times in lojban when I would be very willing to give up a little specificity in the name of brevity.

[Pierre Abbat]

On Sunday 16 May 2010 21:06:43 Lindar wrote:
> strigil

To answer the question in the wiki, I do, but they're scissors when I'm not
scraping my skin with them. I don't know where one would get a modern strigil
that's made for the purpose.

> pomice

I assumed that someone djisku "pumice". The other possibility is "pomace",
which is residue from pressing olives, which wouldn't be in the bathroom
(though I do know people who use olive oil on their hair).

> cologne/perfume

panta'u

> Does denpesxu sound malgli? That's what's in JVS for 'toothpaste'.

Sounds fine to me. It's a paste, and it's used on teeth. The other possible
meaning of the lujvo is a paste made from teeth, but I don't know of such a
thing. There are pastes used to hold false teeth, but I'd call
that "densnipa" or something like that.

"towel" is glossed as "krebu'u" which means "haircloth". I'd understand that
to mean "cloth made of hair".

Pierre

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[Leo Molas]

El 16/05/2010 09:33 p.m., Luke Bergen escribió:
> Isn't that why the whole voting system?
>
>> On May 16, 2010 8:20 PM, "james riley" <jimr...@gmail.com

>> <mailto:jimr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Someone (read, not me. Well, not for a few months) needs to trawl JVS
>> for repeats. And do something about them. Clearly it shouldn't be up
>> to one person to decide which is the better word, so they should post
>> the list of repeats somewhere in the wiki.
>>
>> Cmacis
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 May 2010 01:14, Lindar <lindar...@yahoo.com

>> <mailto:lindar...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm updating the Bathroom and Hy...
>>
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There are two kinds of repetitions from my point of view:

- Valsi with more than one definition for a single language.
- More than one valsi for a single meaning (gloss word, and sense)

The voting system (correct me if I'm wrong) only solves the first.

The second is a problem for me too. But I can't imagine a system to
resolve this, other than "let's usage decide" (don't hang me for this).
Use the word you like more, and if your listener doesn't understand, a
meta-discusion will solve it.

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[Warrigal]

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Luke Bergen <lukea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would it be unreasonable to say {mi cavlu'i} where context makes it clear
> that I'm heading to the shower to {cavlu'i mi}?
> Would this be bad grammar, bad form, or just not as articulate as it could
> be?
> There are definitely times in lojban when I would be very willing to give up
> a little specificity in the name of brevity.

Nope, that would be perfectly fine. Lojban does, after all, allow you
to omit sumti when you think it's clear from context what they are (or
just unimportant), so if you mean {mi cavlu'i mi}, you can say {mi
cavlu'i}, or {cavlu'i mi}. Or {mi se cavlu'i}, or {fe mi cavlu'i}!

--Warrigal (aka uorygl)