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Robin Lee Powell  
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 More options Jun 26 2012, 9:32 pm
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpow...@digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:32:03 -0700
Local: Tues, Jun 26 2012 9:32 pm
Subject: Do you want to buy my time?

So, y'all may have noticed that a lot of work around here is waiting
on me specifically, and y'all may also have noticed, via my
plentiful rants on the subject, that I've *tried* to get other
people to take this stuff on and it hasn't really worked.

So, here's another option: what if y'all paid for some of my time?

It turns out that my work will let me do 32 hours a week and still
get benefits.  It also turns out that my before-tax income is about
$550 per work day (I would prefer not to take a pay cut).

So I find myself wondering: if people in the community pledged
monthly money for this purpose, could Lojban afford to have me doing
a day or two each month of nothing but Lojban-related work?

Would people even want to do that?

Is my arrogance astounding or *what*?  :D

Comments to the main list, please.

-Robin

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Jonathan Jones  
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 More options Jun 26 2012, 9:43 pm
From: Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:43:29 -0600
Local: Tues, Jun 26 2012 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?

Personally, I don't see how it'd be a bad idea. We'd need to set up some
kind of service for the paying, and an equivalence, i.e. $X = Y hrs.

I won't be contributing any time soon, because my income is entirely
college fundingi right now, so I don't have any to spare until my next
tuition check in August, but I'm willing, especially if I'm not the only
one.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell <

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Matt Arnold  
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 More options Jun 27 2012, 12:42 am
From: Matt Arnold <matt.matt...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:42:25 -0400
Local: Wed, Jun 27 2012 12:42 am
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?
There is nothing wrong with this idea. You'd like to do more; everyone
else would like that too. Why not give you help in the actual form
that we can give it?

I myself am trying to get through the last 1/4 of a pledge drive to
buy a laser cutter, or I'd jump in with cash right now. I will
definitely contribute in some future month.

-Eppcott


 
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la .lindar.  
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 More options Jun 27 2012, 1:12 am
From: "la .lindar." <lindartheb...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:12:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jun 27 2012 1:12 am
Subject: Re: Do you want to buy my time?

If at all possible I would love to jump on board as an assistant. I'm
trying to get donation boxes set up on the various media outlets, setting
up an official merchandise store, and I plan on panhandling the community
once that's all set up. If people don't want to donate directly there can
be merch options as well.


 
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kozmikreis  
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 More options Jun 27 2012, 4:23 am
From: kozmikreis <kozmikr...@lojban.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:23:34 +0100
Local: Wed, Jun 27 2012 4:23 am
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?
Count me in, though I can't donate much.  However a lot of "not much"es can easily turn into "much" - if enough people on this list chipped in just a few dollars a month just think what it could achieve :-)  Please, everyone, have a think about how much you can spare, no matter if it's just a little.

Thanks,

kozmikreis

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MorphemeAddict  
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 More options Jun 27 2012, 10:02 am
From: MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:02:39 -0400
Local: Wed, Jun 27 2012 10:02 am
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?

I would love to participate, especially donating to Robin, who does so much
for us, but my money goes to what I consider to be higher priorities.

stevo

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Álvaro Vallejo  
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 More options Jun 28 2012, 9:21 am
From: Álvaro Vallejo <avalle...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:21:57 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jun 28 2012 9:21 am
Subject: Re: Do you want to buy my time?

coi rodo

Please count on me. As kozmikreis says, "a lot of not muches can easily
turn into much". Excellent idea!

mu'o mi'e la .albaros.


 
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John E. Clifford  
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 More options Jun 28 2012, 12:11 pm
From: "John E. Clifford" <kali9pu...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:11:18 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jun 28 2012 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?

Or, more poetically, "Many a mickle maks a muckle."

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:02 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> wrote:


 
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Geoff Beresford  
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 More options Jun 28 2012, 12:33 pm
From: Geoff Beresford <gfberesf...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:33:43 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jun 28 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?

Set up a PayPal account for the LLG. Every time it hits $550, cut robin a check and he can take a day off to do lojban work. I'd put up a recurring $5-10/ month (maybe this could be tax deductible donations?). Maybe it would have to get to $600 to cover overhead.

Each individual contributor can't put forward priorities, nothing would ever get done. Let robin use his judgment, which seems to be accurate and in ample supply.

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Álvaro Vallejo  
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 More options Jun 28 2012, 1:20 pm
From: Álvaro Vallejo <avalle...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:20:20 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jun 28 2012 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?

I fully agree.

Let's let Robin to set priorities.

I don't know who would be in charge of setting the paypal account, but
once created, I will commit a fixed monthly amount.

.albaros.

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la .lindar.  
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 More options Jun 28 2012, 1:52 pm
From: "la .lindar." <lindartheb...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:52:50 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jun 28 2012 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?

We already have a donation box set up through Google.
I'm not sure where it can be found elsewhere, but it's sitting there plain
as day on http://youtube.com/user/logicallanguagegroup/ for your
donational-ease.


 
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Robin Lee Powell  
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 More options Jun 28 2012, 3:57 pm
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpow...@digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:57:08 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jun 28 2012 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:52:50AM -0700, la .lindar. wrote:
> We already have a donation box set up through Google. I'm not sure
> where it can be found elsewhere, but it's sitting there plain as
> day on http://youtube.com/user/logicallanguagegroup/ for your
> donational-ease.

There's some question about whether this money should go through the
LLG, for legal/tax reasons.  Since the response has been mostly
positive, I'll send a clear email with next steps once I know what
they are.

-Robin

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http://singinst.org/ :  Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u


 
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banseljaj  
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 More options Jun 28 2012, 4:03 pm
From: banseljaj <ali.sajid.im...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:03:31 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jun 28 2012 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: Do you want to buy my time?

As lindar has suggested, We already have a google checkout account. We can
easily use it to set up a donation list. The google donation box is also
accessible from http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Donations


 
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Álvaro Vallejo  
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 More options Jun 28 2012, 4:38 pm
From: Álvaro Vallejo <avalle...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:38:59 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jun 28 2012 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Do you want to buy my time?

Ok, it is there and working.

I did a donation and it worked. So, let's start supporting this
initiative! (unless we all/Robin prefer another separate channel for
legal/taxes reasons).

Cheers

On 28.06.2012 03:03 p.m., banseljaj wrote:


 
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selpa'i  
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 More options Nov 13 2012, 4:04 pm
From: selpa'i <sela...@gmx.de>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:04:07 +0100
Local: Tues, Nov 13 2012 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?
Am 27.06.2012 03:32, schrieb Robin Lee Powell:

> So I find myself wondering: if people in the community pledged
> monthly money for this purpose, could Lojban afford to have me doing
> a day or two each month of nothing but Lojban-related work?

> Comments to the main list, please.

How many hours approximately will it take to finish the current LaTex
project that everyone is waiting for? It seems like nothing can really
happen until it's done. If an hour estimate could be made, then it would
also be possible to find out how much money it would take to pay for
this amount of work hours. I think it would be useful to know.

I think paying people for doing things that nobody else would do is
legitimate. Probably none of us is rich, but that's why we're a
community, it adds up.

If the choice is between waiting another 10 years for the next official
version of Lojban and paying some money to get it done much faster, the
decision is easy for me.

So, Robin, could you give us some numbers?

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

doị mèlbi mlenì'u
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ma fe la xàmpre ŭu
    .i do tìnsa càrmi
gi'e sìrji se tàrmi
    .i taị bo pu cìtka lo gràna ku

.

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Robin Lee Powell  
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 More options Nov 15 2012, 6:45 pm
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpow...@digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:45:26 -0800
Local: Thurs, Nov 15 2012 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: [lojban] Do you want to buy my time?

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:04:07PM +0100, selpa'i wrote:
> Am 27.06.2012 03:32, schrieb Robin Lee Powell:
> >So I find myself wondering: if people in the community pledged
> >monthly money for this purpose, could Lojban afford to have me doing
> >a day or two each month of nothing but Lojban-related work?

> >Comments to the main list, please.

This is no longer on the table.  In the meantime, the place I was
moonlighting for has taken over the time slot in question.

-Robin


 
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