Minimal pair of lujvo

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Pierre Abbat

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Nov 22, 2000, 4:25:25 PM11/22/00
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Here is a pair of lujvo that speakers of many languages will confuse:

cunpoi random sequence (cunso porsi)
cumpoi possible sequence (cumki porsi)

Some languages do not have "np" and if a morpheme ending in "n" precedes one
beginning with "p" the result is "mp". Similarly "md" becomes "nd". Should "md"
and "np" be forbidden consonant clusters which require "y" when forming lujvo?

English has such a minimal pair: if someone is in hospital and wants to get out
as soon as possible, he is an ...

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Nov 22, 2000, 5:15:24 PM11/22/00
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> Should "md"
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> lujvo?
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Impatient in-patient.
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michael helsem

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Nov 22, 2000, 9:20:18 PM11/22/00
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>From: Pierre Abbat <ph...@oltronics.net>
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>Here is a pair of lujvo that speakers of many languages will confuse:
>
>cunpoi random sequence (cunso porsi)
>cumpoi possible sequence (cumki porsi)
>

i would prefer the CUNSYPOI form; also CUNPORSI (with the accent
on the second syllable) makes this more sayable.
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