State of the Union Address
Anonymous
>Hear that the State of the Union next Monday has a section on Internet -
>networks - critical infrastructure protection et al. Anyone have any
>details?
My bet is that it'll be the same as it always is. Klintonkov will rant about
how he wants to censor the Internet. Then he'll go on and on about how he
wants to connect every public school to the Internet and tax me to give
these kids censored feeds, all when the students are coming out of the
school system as complete morons. Some can't read, many can't do math, most
have absolutely no clue about basic science, and most have absolutely no
idea about the Bill of Rights and freedom of speech[1].
And of course he'll have to throw in a long diatribe about how Americans
need to surrender more of their freedom to the government. Maybe he'll even
mention how he doesn't remember screwing a reasonably attractive woman half
his age in the White House while she was a White House intern.
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the
students out one at a time and ask them the following questions:
1) What is the acceleration of gravity at sealevel on Earth?
2) What are airlocks? What are they used for? How do they work?
3) How many chromosomes are in a normal, healthy human?
4) Joe is one of your classmates. He elects not to say the "Pledge of
Allegience." Which of the following is true?
a) He must say it because it is mandated by the government.
b) He may not say it, but he must stand.
c) He is not required to acknowledge it, except to allow others to say
it if they wish to.
d) He should be taken out behind the school and beaten with a
sledgehammer. Afterwards his brains should be used to spell the words
"Death to traitors!"
e) He should be sent to the principal's office for disciplinary action.
f) He should be expelled from the country.
g) He must do so as long as he is a U.S. citizen.
5) Explain the equation 'f=m*a' and Newton's Third Law. 'f=m*a' is referenced
in the context of Newtonian motion.
6) The First Amendment of the United States Constitution orders which of the
following?
a) Congress shall not restrict freedom of speech, the press, assembly,
or religion.
b) Congress shall not restrict freedom of speech, the press, assembly,
or religion, except as ordered by the majority.
c) Congress and private individuals may not descriminate on the basis of
sex.
d) Congress and private individuals may not restrict freedom of speech,
the press, assembly, or religion.
7) What are the following government agencies and what are their function?
a) FCC
b) NSA
c) CIA
d) FBI
e) DEA
f) BATF
g) NTSB
h) DOJ
8) Your city passes a "teen curfew" law ordering criminal penalties for
anybody younger than 18 who is out after 10PM on school nights. The law
was passed by popular vote at this year's elections. Which of the
following is true?
a) This is a just and fair law, and is completely constitutional.
Teenagers have no reason to be out past 10PM on school nights. They
should be at home and asleep.
b) This law violates the thirteenth amendment.
c) This law violates the first amendment. It violates freedom of assembly.
d) This is a constitutional law. Freedom of assembly does not apply
because the people voted on this law and it passed by majority vote.
9) How many senators does each state have?
10) "What a piece of work is man; how noble in reason; how infinite in
faculty, in form, in moving; how express and admirable in action..."
Name the author.
11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal
circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
12) (sin(9)^2 + cos(9)^2)=x. If this quantity can be determined, what is x
equal to?
13) What is the square root of 256?
14) What is the fourth root of 81?
15) Given complete control of the environment, how could one cause pure
water to boil at 96 degrees C?
16) Explain possible problems with cloning of humans.
Analysis:
Keep in mind that I'm talking about high school graduates or people who have
almost graduated high school here, and these are people who have taken the
appropriate courses.
Back in high school I made the mistake of making some comments and assuming
in class discussions that people had basic knowledge. I was wrong. Okay, so
I was naive. Eventually I gave up and stopped participating simply because I
was sick and tired of doing the school's job for them.
1) Most students probably won't have any idea. The value, of course, is
about 9.81 m/s^2. 10 m/s^2 doesn't work although that's given in the
mathematics books they give these kids. Most of them probably won't even
know what the question is asking.
2) I actually brought this topic up to a group of *honors* students. Think
of the expression "shove you out an airlock" for context. They boggled,
wallowed in their ignorance and were proud, and then went off to their think
tank. After confering with each other they came back with the breathtakingly
brilliant answer that it was a contraceptive device. Of course even after
explaining to them what it was they still didn't get the reference, had no
grasp of how such a thing might work, and had no idea what it might be
useful for.
3) This is taught in elementary biology which, at least down here, is a
required course. They had no idea. Actually, most of them had no clue about
basic genetics at all. Yes, basic genetics was covered in the course, and
this material was included.
4) I was "Joe" in this case. The people involved had already taken a
semester government course. Their answer to the question would have been
along the lines of option 'd'.
5) I made a big mistake assuming they knew this one. Oops.
6) Most seemed to believe 'b' or 'd'. Maybe they knew it was 'a' and thought
that maybe people wouldn't notice.
7) I made the mistake of using designations like this in a political science
class during a class discussion. I regretted it when I had to start
explaining these agencies and what they were supposed to be responsible for.
8) No explanation required.
9) "You expect me to memorize that for all 50 states?" "Nevermind."
10) Shakespeare. It wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't had to read Hamlet,
MacBeth, and others in their English classes. Yipes.
11) "How am I supposed to know?" "Uh, you got out of chemistry with a B."
"Yes, but they never gave me problems like that!" Uhhh...
12) Most probably couldn't solve it without a calculator.
13) Ditto.
14) Ditto.
15) They'll probably look at you like you're nuts and explain that you
can't. Uh, right.
16) In an international relations class I took students picked a side and
tried to argue it. Mine was pro-cloning or, more accurately, pro-science.
Most were anti-cloning. Why?
a) "God doesn't like us to do things like that." Right. Let's go outlaw
fields of research based on one religion and what followers of one
religion think their god is thinking at that moment. This is
America, not Iraq.
b) "How would you like it if somebody just came up and cloned you
without you knowing and then made that person tell them information
you refused to give them yourself?" Okay, I can buy the unwillful
cloning part of it and could support a law on the grounds that it's
theft of genetic material or for a variety of other reasons. As
for the rest of that...ugh.
Now maybe people on this list can't answer some of these either. That isn't
the point. The point is that you should have been taught this stuff in
school. Klintonkov wants to go blow millions (billions?) of dollars for
censored network feeds in the schools and they haven't even got basic
education down? And don't say "computer literacy" either. Most high school
graduates can barely type on the bloody things, and they can forget about
actually fixing a problem themselves. The *teachers* are blatently clueless.
When Klintonkov fixes these problems he can talk about "wiring our schools
for the 21st century." Of course then he'll want to censor the feeds or the
net at large, at which point we're back to square one and should spend the
money on something useful, like paying off the multi-trillion dollar debt the
idiots ran up.
Here's the scariest part of it all: These people are voting! And we wonder
why we're in such a mess.
The war isn't the war between the blacks and the whites, the liberals and
the conservatives, or the Federation and the Romulans. It's between the
clueful and the clueless.
Anonymous
> 7) What are the following government agencies and what are their function?
> a) FCC
They censor TV and tax your telephone
> b) NSA
They read your private e-mail and censor crypto publications
> c) CIA
They run drugs in South America
> d) FBI
They wiretap your telephone
> e) DEA
They shoot at the drug runners
> f) BATF
They burn down churches
> g) NTSB
They blow up airplanes and blame it on 'terrorists'
> h) DOJ
They harass Microsoft
Matthew Ghio
Anonymous wrote:
> [1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the
> students out one at a time and ask them the following questions:
[snip]
> 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal
> circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
>
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high
school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Anonymous
Anonymous <nob...@REPLAY.COM> writes:
>> 7) What are the following government agencies and what are their function?
>> h) DOJ
> They harass Microsoft
They're the ones who look the other way when high government officials
are involved with corruption (like illegal campaign fundraising, etc.).
Anonymous
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Rabid Wombat
Um, salt water explodes?
Kent Crispin
Well, if it was 40 grams of NaOH and 36.5 grams of HCl, then you
would have 18 grams of water and 58.5 grams of NaCl. With 1g HCl to
.5g NaOH, well, you have an acidic, salty, mess. However, HCl
is a gas at STP, and NaOH is a solid...
Basically, it's an incredibly poorly worded question.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> Rabid Wombat <wom...@mcfeely.bsfs.org> writes:
[...]
> > > > 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under norma
> > > > circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
> > >
> > > The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high
> > > school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
> > >
> >
> > Um, salt water explodes?
>
> Where is Jim Bell when we need him?
The question depeands on what is normal circumstances? Noramly HCl is
suppled dissolved in warter, where it will react quite safly with NaOH to
create salt warter.
However gassius HCl is a diffrent beast entirly, but this is rare in a
high school enviroment.
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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Rabid Wombat <wom...@mcfeely.bsfs.org> writes:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Matthew Ghio wrote:
>
> > Anonymous wrote:
> >
> > > [1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the
> > > students out one at a time and ask them the following questions:
> > [snip]
> > > 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under norma
> > > circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
> > >
> >
> > The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high
> > school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
> >
>
> Um, salt water explodes?
Where is Jim Bell when we need him?
(Hell, where's Lorena Bobbt when we need her?)
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Paul H. Merrill
Rabid Wombat wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Matthew Ghio wrote:
>
> > Anonymous wrote:
> >
> > > [1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the
> > > students out one at a time and ask them the following questions:
> > [snip]
> > > 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal
> > > circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
> > >
> >
> > The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high
> > school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
> >
> >
>
> Um, salt water explodes?
I guess those high school students aren't the only ones with no clear
idea of the way the world works. While salt water does not ordinarily
explode, in this case salt water is the ultimate product -- but massive
heat released when acids and bases join and recombine to produce salts
(in this case table salt) and water.
while some do feel (especially on this list) that the ends justify the
means -- this is one means that definitely does not go along with that
"rule".
PHM.
Ryan Anderson
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Rabid Wombat wrote:
> > > [1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the
> > > students out one at a time and ask them the following questions:
> > [snip]
> > > 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal
> > > circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
> > >
> >
> > The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high
> > school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
> >
> Um, salt water explodes?
From my high-school chemistry, neutralization makes slatwater and a lot of
heat.... (Or that's what the teacher claimed)... Without a way to dump
the pressure generated this way, yes you could have an explosion...
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Zooko Journeyman
(A letter to Andy Patrizio of TechWeb, www.techweb.com, Cc: to
cyphe...@toad.com, ma...@slashdot.org and g...@gnu.org. May
I remind the audience to use the technique which will benefit
your goals rather than harm them: politeness.)
Sir,
I beg to differ regarding your assertion in
"http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19980126S0015" that open
source code has little value. While your article makes the
very good point that a higher level of abstraction (the API
level) is a better platform for most "interoperation" or
"extension" uses, you omit several important considerations.
I will attempt to describe three of those considerations here.
The first consideraton is that open source code is of
unparalleled value in ensuring security and stability of a
complex system.
Witness the fact that when the Pentium "F00F" bug was
discovered last year, the Linux operating system had a fix
distributed within 7 calendar days, while Microsoft took more
than twice as long to issue a fix.
This is doubly important for mission-critical systems and
triply so for security-critical systems which may be subject to
hostile attack. Indeed, many computer security professionals
of my acquaintance say that they _will_ _not_ use a system to
protect valuable data unless they and their peers are able to
examine the source code.
The second consideration is that an open software development
model can (sometimes) generate a surprising amount of quality
code at high speed. The pre-eminent example of this phenomenon
is the Linux operating system, which in many ways has
outstripped comparable proprietary operating systems in
performance, features, stability, _and_ in time-to-market.
The third value in open source code is more controversial-- it
gives your users more control over the product. An all-too-
common business tactic in the software industry is, as Scott
McNealy calls it, "proprietary lock-in", in which a company
deliberately makes their product incompatible with competing
products in order to ensure that the customer can't use that
product in conjunction with a competitor's product. With the
current trend towards a convergence of interoperating software
products, this tactic is becoming increasingly oppressive to
customers.
This tactic is not possible with open source code,
because competitors, customers, or free-lance hackers can use
the open source in order to make the two products
interoperable.
Needless to say, not all in the business community would
consider this last feature to be a benefit. (Although I think
that all in the business community would consider the first two
features to be a benefit.)
I hope that this letter has been of interest to you. I have
been a software developer, industry-watcher, and open-source-
code enthusiast for years, and I was grieved to think that your
article might deter open-minded readers from considering the
full implications of an open source code strategy.
The idea of open source code has been a "fringe" concept for
decades (see seminal open-source advocate and hacker Richard
Stallman, www.fsf.org), and I'm delighted to think that with
Netscape's move, and with the rumored possibility that Sun will
open some of its Java source, that this idea could finally get
a fair hearing before the business community.
Regards,
Zooko, Journeyman Hacker
P.S. Among software professionals that I know, the only ones
who make USD 100K/year or more are the ones who consider
themselves to be "hackers". :-)
Anonymous
>I guess those high school students aren't the only ones with no clear
>idea of the way the world works. While salt water does not ordinarily
>explode, in this case salt water is the ultimate product -- but massive
>heat released when acids and bases join and recombine to produce salts
>(in this case table salt) and water.
Interesting thread. While we're on the topic of chemistry and heat:
Does anyone happen to know how to figure the energy requirements or yields
for a reaction? My college chemistry book doesn't say a whole lot about it.
In fact it doesn't say enough to actually be useful at all; it gives
energies for four or five different bonds in a table and then launches into
a really bad explanation of how to calculate this.
If I have to use a table of bond energies is there one available online? Or
is there a simpler way to just calculate the bloody things?
I really ought to take more chemistry courses before I get my diploma. Or at
the very least audit them.
Anonymous
Another Anonymous writes:
>>Does anyone happen to know how to figure the energy requirements or yields
>>for a reaction?
>
>Just to make sure I'm not misinterpreted, I mean how much energy is required
>or is liberated by a given reaction. I don't mean "...figure the energy,
>requirements, or yields," or "figure the energy requirements or products it
>yields."
It has been fifteen years since I even opened a chemistry book, but I think
what you're looking for is called the "heat of enthalpy." You could find
this in most any intro-level chem book, and there's probably a whole
shitload of reactions listed in the _CRC Handbook Of Chemistry & Physics_.
Since HCl+NaOH is an acid-base reaction, you could also use something
called the "heat of neutralization." IIRC, that's something like 57 KJ/mol
for strong acids. But don't take my word for it; I'm Not A Chemist Any
More. P-Chem gave me a great appreciation for math and computers.
Secret Squirrel
>Well, if it was 40 grams of NaOH and 36.5 grams of HCl, then you
>would have 18 grams of water and 58.5 grams of NaCl. With 1g HCl to
>.5g NaOH, well, you have an acidic, salty, mess. However, HCl
>is a gas at STP, and NaOH is a solid...
>
>Basically, it's an incredibly poorly worded question.
It looks like the original poster grabbed two of the simplest acids and
bases he could find and plugged them into the question.
HCl is usually provided in an aqueous solution. NaOH is a solid. In those
two states they'll combine quite well with each other. The "explosion and a
big mess" would come from somebody just chucking a lot of both chemicals
together without any regard what is going on.
I think Anonymous was more interested in what products were produced and how
much of each were produced, and then made the mistake of assuming that the
chemist had enough brains not to go chuck two reactive chemicals together
without the competence to run through the necessary calculations.
Throwing together any amount of any chemicals without knowing what you're
doing is a very bad idea. It's a good way to "accidentally" produce chlorine
gas, carbon monoxide, or worse. If you don't know what you're doing or you
aren't at least minimally competent and take appropriate safety precautions,
keep it on paper.
Personally, I steer clear of college and high school chemistry labs for this
reason. I watched some idiot produce chlorine gas back in high school,
though thankfully not in any really, really dangerous quantities.
NaOH + HCl ---> NaCl + H O
2
It's a nice, simple reaction. To answer the question the student would have
to know the atomic masses of chlorine, hydrogen, oxygen, and sodium, but
that could easily be gleaned off a periodic table provided the student was
competent enough to ask for one if he needed it.
I doubt most college chemistry professors would analyze it that well either,
to tell you the truth. They'd give the question and it's assumed that the
necessary steps are taken to ensure a reaction (if any). Of course "normal
circumstances" is kind of a wide area.
The question should have been worded more like this:
11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. The HCl is
dissolved in water. Assuming that Michelle is competent enough to avoid
blowing herself across the room or destroying the lab, what are the products
and in what quantities are they produced?
Rabid Wombat
On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Ryan Anderson wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Rabid Wombat wrote:
>
> > > > [1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the
> > > > students out one at a time and ask them the following questions:
> > > [snip]
> > > > 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal
> > > > circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
> > > >
> > >
> > > The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high
> > > school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
> > >
> > Um, salt water explodes?
>
> >From my high-school chemistry, neutralization makes slatwater and a lot of
> heat.... (Or that's what the teacher claimed)... Without a way to dump
> the pressure generated this way, yes you could have an explosion...
>
Time to go back to high school. It's just a molocule swap.
Rabid Wombat
On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Paul H. Merrill wrote:
> Rabid Wombat wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Matthew Ghio wrote:
> >
> > > Anonymous wrote:
> > >
> > > > [1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the
> > > > students out one at a time and ask them the following questions:
> > > [snip]
> > > > 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal
> > > > circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
> > > >
> > >
> > > The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high
> > > school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Um, salt water explodes?
>
> I guess those high school students aren't the only ones with no clear
> idea of the way the world works. While salt water does not ordinarily
> explode, in this case salt water is the ultimate product -- but massive
> heat released when acids and bases join and recombine to produce salts
> (in this case table salt) and water.
>
> while some do feel (especially on this list) that the ends justify the
> means -- this is one means that definitely does not go along with that
> "rule".
>
> PHM.
>
Actually the qustion is probably hosed, as the ratio should be 1:1
Hcl:NaOH mol, not weight (which would be about 10:9 Hcl:NaOH or so if I'm
not confused here) ... the idea being that if you calculate and measure
just right, you can mix too highly dangerous chemicals and will get
saltwater which you can drink. If you don't measure just right, and drink
it, you are rightly fucked, so don't try this at home.
Can't find exact delta-h listed for NaOH, but rough guess on this reaction
is maybe 150,000 - 175,000 joules, or about half a box of kitchen matches
worth of heat (~150-175 btu ?), which wouldn't boil a quart of water. I
suppose if you had a small enough solution you could get a small "bang"
out of vaporizing the water. Not exactly a terrorist threat.
A moderate amount of heat, but without increasing the number of
molecules, where's the explosion? Am I missing something? Looks like warm
saltwater to me. OTOH, I don't know anything about chemistry 'cuz I
always got kicked outa class for doing dumber things than mixing Hcl and
NaOH and drinking it, which is the usual stunt. Don't try this at home,
and don't take chemistry advice from marsupials.
btw - didn't really "do the math" on this, and it's 2am, so it could be
wildly innacurate.
-r.w.
Rabid Wombat
Ooops, 178,000 joules w/ 1 mol each (about 36 grams Hcl & 40 grams NaOH),
so the "one gram each" example (wrong unit of measure, btw), assuming
about 1/40 the quantity, would be about 4450 joules, or about five
kitchen matches. bfd. OTOH, IANAC(hemist).
Looks like the answer to the original question would be "somewhat salty
ammonium hydroxide", with the given quantities. Don't drink (drano) and
drive.
-r.w.
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yes, the quantities are small, thus total heat is small, but so is the
mass to be heated (who cares idf it will boils a quart when we are
talking about a couple of grams). Explosion is perhaps a poor choice of
words, but I would not like to be in the spatter zone of it either.
PHM
David E. Smith
> I learn about you from my teacher. I think he doesn't know you or talk to
> you but he tell us about how to cracked windows 95 .pwl or NT. So i'm
> interested.
By far, the easiest way to crack Windows 95 (or NT) is to put the CD in
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Lucky Green
Get a Chemisty 101/2 book. You must have been in the bone head chemistry
class.
On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Anonymous wrote:
> >I guess those high school students aren't the only ones with no clear
> >idea of the way the world works. While salt water does not ordinarily
> >explode, in this case salt water is the ultimate product -- but massive
> >heat released when acids and bases join and recombine to produce salts
> >(in this case table salt) and water.
>
> Interesting thread. While we're on the topic of chemistry and heat:
>
> Does anyone happen to know how to figure the energy requirements or yields
> for a reaction? My college chemistry book doesn't say a whole lot about it.
> In fact it doesn't say enough to actually be useful at all; it gives
> energies for four or five different bonds in a table and then launches into
> a really bad explanation of how to calculate this.
>
> If I have to use a table of bond energies is there one available online? Or
> is there a simpler way to just calculate the bloody things?
>
> I really ought to take more chemistry courses before I get my diploma. Or at
> the very least audit them.
>
>
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Anonymous
>Get a Chemisty 101/2 book. You must have been in the bone head chemistry
>class.
I think you mean `a bone head chemistry class.' My old college book doesn't
have it either, and I took two semesters of the stuff...
Anonymous
What was the URL again? I got that at work and want to re-visit site tonite at home.
Anonymous
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> Subskribe cyferpunks <bill...@whitehouse.gov>
An old one for those who forgot it already...
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