I have a Gigabyte mobo. Good choice. I don't have that specific model
but brand is good. I been wanting to get that CPU too. ;-)
> Suggestions on these hardware:
> Blueray RW (Vendor ?)
Prices are coming down on those so that could be a good move. Also, if
you use CD/DVD/Blueray to backup data, also a good idea to have this.
> DDR3 OC 2000 ram (4x8gig, 240) (vendor?)
> ripjaw? Any fit or heat issues?
If you go to Gigabyte's website and look up your mobo, there is a link
on the right that tells you what CPUs and memory are tested and BIOS
version needed too if CPU is very new. Generally they test the larger
brands on memory but it gives you a good idea what works. I used G
Skill and I have had no problems. I have 16Gbs on mine. Crucial and
others are good to tho. Just get the fastest speed the mobo can handle.
On the fit issue. My CPU cooler does touch one of my coolers on the
memory card. It just needs a extra 1/8" to be clear of it but it does
touch. I have a LARGE CPU cooler tho. I bought about the biggest they
had at the time that was within reason price wise. My CPU does run very
cool tho. I have a Cooler Master HAF-932 case. Lots of large fans.
> CPU cooler (vendor-model?)
> One that this mobo without cramping ram space?
See above.
> passively cooled AMD/ATI video card (vendor-model?)
My video card was donated. It's Nvidia based so that does not apply
since you want ATI.
> NewEgg is my usual vendor, but any other suggestions
> are most welcome.
> James
If you want links and such, let me know. I bought mine from newegg to. I'm pretty sure my CPU cooler will fit yours but it is big. The one
that comes with the CPU is really small. I wouldn't trust that.
Hope this helps.
Dale
:-) :-)
-- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
I don't have any info on the noise other hand the fan on my hr-02 macho
will turn off from time to time because it cools so well. My video cards
are definitely the loudest in my system.
For you, someone who likes quiet systems, air or water both still need a
fan and will make noise and the fan you pick has the biggest impact on
noise. Thermalright makes very good high quality products and does not
skimp when selecting the fan. I you can check on Newegg for the fan they
use on the cooler and find out its ratings but like I said my system turns
the fan off from time to time with cool and quiet enabled on my machine.
You will want to check hardocp's review on the h100 water cooling kit from
corsair but I don't have any first hand experience with them.
-andy
On Nov 9, 2012 1:56 PM, "James" <wirel...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
I got a Sapphire HD6670 Ultimate edition (passively cooled) which works
beautifully in all things that I use it for (desktop, games, video). I
picked the radeon 6670 (Northern Islands chip, "Turks" to be specific)
because it's the latest chip with the best mesa support (Southern
Islands chips 3D support is work-in-progress at the moment) and I'm
happy with it.
>> DDR3 OC 2000 ram (4x8gig, 240) (vendor?)
>> ripjaw? Any fit or heat issues?
>> CPU cooler (vendor-model?)
> doesn't the 8350 come boxed with a watercooling solution?
Nope. It comes with a traditional air cooled heat sink, small one to
me. I don't think I have ever seen a CPU comes with a water cooled heat
sink, not from the OEM at least. Someone may sell one that is bundled
by a vendor or something but I have never seen one boxed from AMD. I
don't keep up with Intel other than what I see posted here.
Link if you are interested. I picked that because it loads faster than
newegg. Is it just me or is newegg slow for everyone? That and AT&T's
website is like pouring cold molasses. o_O
Dale
:-) :-)
-- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
> >> DDR3 OC 2000 ram (4x8gig, 240) (vendor?)
> >> ripjaw? Any fit or heat issues?
> >> CPU cooler (vendor-model?)
> > doesn't the 8350 come boxed with a watercooling solution?
> Nope. It comes with a traditional air cooled heat sink, small one to
> me. I don't think I have ever seen a CPU comes with a water cooled heat
> sink, not from the OEM at least. Someone may sell one that is bundled
> by a vendor or something but I have never seen one boxed from AMD. I
> don't keep up with Intel other than what I see posted here.
well, here is an example: AMD FX-8150 boxed with a watercooler. It even has that AMD sticker on it:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 01:42:54 schrieb Dale:
>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> Am Freitag, 9. November 2012, 19:00:12 schrieb James:
>>>> Time To build a new AMD system.
>>>> DDR3 OC 2000 ram (4x8gig, 240) (vendor?)
>>>> ripjaw? Any fit or heat issues?
>>>> CPU cooler (vendor-model?)
>>> doesn't the 8350 come boxed with a watercooling solution?
>> Nope. It comes with a traditional air cooled heat sink, small one to
>> me. I don't think I have ever seen a CPU comes with a water cooled heat
>> sink, not from the OEM at least. Someone may sell one that is bundled
>> by a vendor or something but I have never seen one boxed from AMD. I
>> don't keep up with Intel other than what I see posted here.
> well, here is an example: AMD FX-8150 boxed with a watercooler. It even has > that AMD sticker on it:
Well, now I have seen one. Thing is, it's not in the USA where the OP
is or me either for that matter. Heck, I'm not even sure what the
language on the page is. I just wonder why they don't offer that in the
USA? Lots of people in the USA use water cooling so it would likely sell.
I like mine with just a bare chip. I always buy my own cooler anyway. I don't think I have ever used a OEM cooler. Well, I used the one that
came with my new one as a door stop for a while. lol
Thanks for the link.
Dale
:-) :-)
-- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 01:42:54 schrieb Dale:
>>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>> Am Freitag, 9. November 2012, 19:00:12 schrieb James:
>>>>> Time To build a new AMD system.
>>>>> DDR3 OC 2000 ram (4x8gig, 240) (vendor?)
>>>>> ripjaw? Any fit or heat issues?
>>>>> CPU cooler (vendor-model?)
>>>> doesn't the 8350 come boxed with a watercooling solution?
>>> Nope. It comes with a traditional air cooled heat sink, small one to
>>> me. I don't think I have ever seen a CPU comes with a water cooled heat
>>> sink, not from the OEM at least. Someone may sell one that is bundled
>>> by a vendor or something but I have never seen one boxed from AMD. I
>>> don't keep up with Intel other than what I see posted here.
>> well, here is an example: AMD FX-8150 boxed with a watercooler. It even has >> that AMD sticker on it:
> Well, now I have seen one. Thing is, it's not in the USA where the OP
> is or me either for that matter. Heck, I'm not even sure what the
> language on the page is. I just wonder why they don't offer that in the
> USA? Lots of people in the USA use water cooling so it would likely sell.
> I like mine with just a bare chip. I always buy my own cooler anyway. > I don't think I have ever used a OEM cooler. Well, I used the one that
> came with my new one as a door stop for a while. lol
Michael Hampicke wrote:
> Am 10.11.2012 12:05, schrieb Dale:
>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 01:42:54 schrieb Dale:
>>>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>> Am Freitag, 9. November 2012, 19:00:12 schrieb James:
>>>>>> Time To build a new AMD system.
>>>>>> DDR3 OC 2000 ram (4x8gig, 240) (vendor?)
>>>>>> ripjaw? Any fit or heat issues?
>>>>>> CPU cooler (vendor-model?)
>>>>> doesn't the 8350 come boxed with a watercooling solution?
>>>> Nope. It comes with a traditional air cooled heat sink, small one to
>>>> me. I don't think I have ever seen a CPU comes with a water cooled heat
>>>> sink, not from the OEM at least. Someone may sell one that is bundled
>>>> by a vendor or something but I have never seen one boxed from AMD. I
>>>> don't keep up with Intel other than what I see posted here.
>>> well, here is an example: AMD FX-8150 boxed with a watercooler. It even has >>> that AMD sticker on it:
>> Well, now I have seen one. Thing is, it's not in the USA where the OP
>> is or me either for that matter. Heck, I'm not even sure what the
>> language on the page is. I just wonder why they don't offer that in the
>> USA? Lots of people in the USA use water cooling so it would likely sell.
>> I like mine with just a bare chip. I always buy my own cooler anyway. >> I don't think I have ever used a OEM cooler. Well, I used the one that
>> came with my new one as a door stop for a while. lol
I looked again after I sent my reply. I thought that URL ended in the
code for Germany.
I don't recall ever buying computer stuff from Amazon. I buy other
stuff from there but not puter stuff. It's generally Newegg or
Tigerdirect and I lean heavily on Newegg. I think the OP mentioned he
was interested in Newegg too.
I guess it is good for the folks that use water cooling tho. I run
plenty cool and quiet with air so I'm not planning to switch. I still
like my CPUs to be bare when possible then purchase my cooler separately.
Dale
:-) :-)
-- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
> I guess it is good for the folks that use water cooling tho. I run
> plenty cool and quiet with air so I'm not planning to switch. I still
> like my CPUs to be bare when possible then purchase my cooler separately.
For me, it's basic thermodynamics. Water as a (liquid at working temperatures)
fluid, moves orders of magnitude more heat than air (as working fluid) does,
Sure Glycol or TEG (Tetraethylene Glycol) is best, but I do not have time
to find a non corrosive, non conducting fluid in lieu of water (although Silicone
brake fluid or DOT-5 might just do the trick). Sorry for the digression.....
The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust, quality
components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be
nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping mechanism
to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P).
The quite nature of water cooling is keen for me (old ears do not
filter out noise so well anymore....)
I see other AMD processors (FX8150) with a water cooler included, but not the
FX8350? (googling came up short).... on Amazon or elsewhere for sale.
James wrote:
> Dale <rdalek1967 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>> I guess it is good for the folks that use water cooling tho. I run
>> plenty cool and quiet with air so I'm not planning to switch. I still
>> like my CPUs to be bare when possible then purchase my cooler separately. > For me, it's basic thermodynamics. Water as a (liquid at working temperatures)
> fluid, moves orders of magnitude more heat than air (as working fluid) does,
> Sure Glycol or TEG (Tetraethylene Glycol) is best, but I do not have time
> to find a non corrosive, non conducting fluid in lieu of water (although Silicone
> brake fluid or DOT-5 might just do the trick). Sorry for the digression.....
> The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust, quality
> components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be
> nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping mechanism
> to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P).
> The quite nature of water cooling is keen for me (old ears do not
> filter out noise so well anymore....)
> I see other AMD processors (FX8150) with a water cooler included, but not the
> FX8350? (googling came up short).... on Amazon or elsewhere for sale.
> suggesting on cost effective water cooling for the FX8350?
> James
Well, my air cooling system is quiet. I can't hear the fans. Actually,
the top case fan makes more noise when it is cool than when it is warm
and spinning fast. I think it is out of balance and wobbles around in
there when spinning slow. I have to either make it go faster or buy a
new fan. Anyway, while compiling something like LOo, gcc or something
that takes a long while and really uses the CPU, the highest temp I have
ever seen is 105F for the CPU and it was pretty warm in this room so I
turned on the A/C. That temp is on air. Again, I have a Cooler Master
HAF-932 case with the giant 230mm fans. I'm serious, my bed is like 3
feet away and I can NOT hear the computer at all, not even when
compiling something when the room is warm.
Also, I don't like liquids around my computer. I keep a glass of sweet
tea on the head of my bed but I NEVER place any liquid close enough it
could spill on my computer. I don't even trust myself because accidents
happen. I just don't like water or other liquids around my computer. I
never have and likely never will. As long as a CPU can be cooled by
air, I plan to use air. This is my cooler:
I bought the best cooler I could get at the time that was within reason
price wise. It's large, efficient, has a large quiet fan and it does a
really good job on temps. I also used a really good thermal compound too.
I'm not saying others shouldn't use water, I'm just saying I don't plan
to use it until I have no choice but to.
Dale
:-) :-)
-- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
> > I guess it is good for the folks that use water cooling tho. I run
> > plenty cool and quiet with air so I'm not planning to switch. I still
> > like my CPUs to be bare when possible then purchase my cooler
separately.
> For me, it's basic thermodynamics. Water as a (liquid at working
temperatures)
> fluid, moves orders of magnitude more heat than air (as working fluid)
does,
> Sure Glycol or TEG (Tetraethylene Glycol) is best, but I do not have time
> to find a non corrosive, non conducting fluid in lieu of water (although
Silicone
> brake fluid or DOT-5 might just do the trick). Sorry for the
digression.....
Oh, we like digressions :-)
I recall that sometimes last year, Tom's Hardware tested running a system
without heat sink... but completely immersed in... cooking oil! They made a
large acrylic container, poured in gallons of high-quality cooking oil,
then proceeded to overclock the CPU and GPU to unholy frequencies...
And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant to
dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would even go to
lengths to design a "coolant fountain" that's not only functional, but also
decorative.
> The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust,
quality
> components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be
> nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping
mechanism
> to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P).
That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of
leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of almost, but
not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-)
> I recall that sometimes last year, Tom's Hardware tested running a
> system without heat sink... but completely immersed in... cooking oil!
> They made a large acrylic container, poured in gallons of high-quality
> cooking oil, then proceeded to overclock the CPU and GPU to unholy
> frequencies...
> And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant
> to dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would
> even go to lengths to design a "coolant fountain" that's not only
> functional, but also decorative.
> > The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust,
> quality
> > components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be
> > nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping
> mechanism
> > to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P).
> That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of
> leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of
> almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-)
> Rgds,
> --
I seen on a show once that they use mineral oil when they put those
robots in deep water. You know, the ones that are remote controlled and
go VERY VERY deep. Anyway, they put mineral oil in it because it is not
conductive, transmits heat pretty well and it doesn't let the water
pressure crush the little robot. It can't crush it since it is full of
a liquid already.
If that is true, why not use mineral oil instead of water? I understand
that could mean a change in hoses and such but still, if they can make
hoses that can stand up to gas and other really nasty stuff then why not
mineral oil too? At least with that, if you get a leak it won't burn
out your mobo or whatever else it gets on. It would be messy tho. o_O
Dale
:-) :-)
-- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
> Pandu Poluan wrote:
> > Oh, we like digressions :-)
> > I recall that sometimes last year, Tom's Hardware tested running a
> > system without heat sink... but completely immersed in... cooking oil!
> > They made a large acrylic container, poured in gallons of high-quality
> > cooking oil, then proceeded to overclock the CPU and GPU to unholy
> > frequencies...
> > And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant
> > to dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would
> > even go to lengths to design a "coolant fountain" that's not only
> > functional, but also decorative.
> > > The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust,
> > quality
> > > components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be
> > > nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping
> > mechanism
> > > to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P).
> > That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of
> > leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of
> > almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-)
> > Rgds,
> > --
> I seen on a show once that they use mineral oil when they put those
> robots in deep water. You know, the ones that are remote controlled and
> go VERY VERY deep. Anyway, they put mineral oil in it because it is not
> conductive, transmits heat pretty well and it doesn't let the water
> pressure crush the little robot. It can't crush it since it is full of
> a liquid already.
> If that is true, why not use mineral oil instead of water? I understand
> that could mean a change in hoses and such but still, if they can make
> hoses that can stand up to gas and other really nasty stuff then why not
> mineral oil too? At least with that, if you get a leak it won't burn
> out your mobo or whatever else it gets on. It would be messy tho. o_O
> Dale
> :-) :-)
lets see.. toxic, expensive, has to be recycled...
vs
water...
also, submerging mobos in cooking oil is nothing new nor special. It smells horrible after a while and any change is fucking time consuming (and dirty).
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 23:46:52 schrieb Dale:
>> Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>> Oh, we like digressions :-)
>>> I recall that sometimes last year, Tom's Hardware tested running a
>>> system without heat sink... but completely immersed in... cooking oil!
>>> They made a large acrylic container, poured in gallons of high-quality
>>> cooking oil, then proceeded to overclock the CPU and GPU to unholy
>>> frequencies...
>>> And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant
>>> to dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would
>>> even go to lengths to design a "coolant fountain" that's not only
>>> functional, but also decorative.
>>>> The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust,
>>> quality
>>>> components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be
>>>> nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping
>>> mechanism
>>>> to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P).
>>> That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of
>>> leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of
>>> almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-)
>>> Rgds,
>>> --
>> I seen on a show once that they use mineral oil when they put those
>> robots in deep water. You know, the ones that are remote controlled and
>> go VERY VERY deep. Anyway, they put mineral oil in it because it is not
>> conductive, transmits heat pretty well and it doesn't let the water
>> pressure crush the little robot. It can't crush it since it is full of
>> a liquid already.
>> If that is true, why not use mineral oil instead of water? I understand
>> that could mean a change in hoses and such but still, if they can make
>> hoses that can stand up to gas and other really nasty stuff then why not
>> mineral oil too? At least with that, if you get a leak it won't burn
>> out your mobo or whatever else it gets on. It would be messy tho. o_O
>> Dale
>> :-) :-)
> lets see.. toxic, expensive, has to be recycled...
> vs
> water...
> also, submerging mobos in cooking oil is nothing new nor special. It smells > horrible after a while and any change is fucking time consuming (and dirty).
I didn't say to use cooking oil, I said to use mineral oil. Also, how
is mineral oil toxic? Baby oil is mineral oil. I have psoriasis and I
put on baby oil at least once a day, sometimes several times a day. If
it is so toxic, why would people be putting it on babies? Heck, if it
is so toxic, why am I still alive? How can cooking oil be toxic
either? I cook with cooking oil and then eat the food I cook with it. It may be something but hardly toxic.
Let's see, baby oil, not toxic, doesn't short out and blow up stuff when
it leaks. Water, one leak and you could have to buy a new rig. Cost of
mineral oil versus a new rig. I don't think that is even close. lol Also, it doesn't have to be a "new" idea to work.
Just thought it worth a mention.
Dale
:-) :-)
-- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 23:46:52 schrieb Dale:
> >> Pandu Poluan wrote:
> >>> Oh, we like digressions :-)
> >>> I recall that sometimes last year, Tom's Hardware tested running a
> >>> system without heat sink... but completely immersed in... cooking oil!
> >>> They made a large acrylic container, poured in gallons of high-quality
> >>> cooking oil, then proceeded to overclock the CPU and GPU to unholy
> >>> frequencies...
> >>> And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant
> >>> to dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would
> >>> even go to lengths to design a "coolant fountain" that's not only
> >>> functional, but also decorative.
> >>>> The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust,
> >>> quality
> >>>> components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be
> >>>> nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping
> >>> mechanism
> >>>> to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P).
> >>> That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of
> >>> leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of
> >>> almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-)
> >>> Rgds,
> >>> --
> >> I seen on a show once that they use mineral oil when they put those
> >> robots in deep water. You know, the ones that are remote controlled and
> >> go VERY VERY deep. Anyway, they put mineral oil in it because it is not
> >> conductive, transmits heat pretty well and it doesn't let the water
> >> pressure crush the little robot. It can't crush it since it is full of
> >> a liquid already.
> >> If that is true, why not use mineral oil instead of water? I understand
> >> that could mean a change in hoses and such but still, if they can make
> >> hoses that can stand up to gas and other really nasty stuff then why not
> >> mineral oil too? At least with that, if you get a leak it won't burn
> >> out your mobo or whatever else it gets on. It would be messy tho. o_O
> >> Dale
> >> :-) :-)
> > lets see.. toxic, expensive, has to be recycled...
> > vs
> > water...
> > also, submerging mobos in cooking oil is nothing new nor special. It smells > > horrible after a while and any change is fucking time consuming (and dirty).
> I didn't say to use cooking oil, I said to use mineral oil. Also, how
> is mineral oil toxic?
[...]
I wasn't sure what he meant, either, although looking it up, it seems that the
term "mineral oil" basically means "a petroleum based oil". In fact, according
to Wikipedia [0], that holds even for the food product "mineral oil"
- which, according to the same article (see "Food preparation"), is forbidden
in the EU (at least in food products).
However, in medical products mineral oil is apparently held to strict standards
and translates to "Weißöl". So it seems your baby oil is fine, but the cooking
oil I'm not so sure about.
(And here I thought mineral oil was something akin to vegetable oil and that
it just had a weird name.)
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 23:46:52 schrieb Dale:
> >> Pandu Poluan wrote:
> >>> Oh, we like digressions :-)
> >>> I recall that sometimes last year, Tom's Hardware tested running a
> >>> system without heat sink... but completely immersed in... cooking oil!
> >>> They made a large acrylic container, poured in gallons of high-quality
> >>> cooking oil, then proceeded to overclock the CPU and GPU to unholy
> >>> frequencies...
> >>> And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant
> >>> to dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would
> >>> even go to lengths to design a "coolant fountain" that's not only
> >>> functional, but also decorative.
> >>>> The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust,
> >>> quality
> >>>> components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be
> >>>> nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping
> >>> mechanism
> >>>> to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen
> >>>> (delta-P).
> >>> That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of
> >>> leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of
> >>> almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-)
> >>> Rgds,
> >>> --
> >> I seen on a show once that they use mineral oil when they put those
> >> robots in deep water. You know, the ones that are remote controlled and
> >> go VERY VERY deep. Anyway, they put mineral oil in it because it is not
> >> conductive, transmits heat pretty well and it doesn't let the water
> >> pressure crush the little robot. It can't crush it since it is full of
> >> a liquid already.
> >> If that is true, why not use mineral oil instead of water? I understand
> >> that could mean a change in hoses and such but still, if they can make
> >> hoses that can stand up to gas and other really nasty stuff then why not
> >> mineral oil too? At least with that, if you get a leak it won't burn
> >> out your mobo or whatever else it gets on. It would be messy tho. o_O
> >> Dale
> >> :-) :-)
> > lets see.. toxic, expensive, has to be recycled...
> > vs
> > water...
> > also, submerging mobos in cooking oil is nothing new nor special. It
> > smells
> > horrible after a while and any change is fucking time consuming (and
> > dirty).
> I didn't say to use cooking oil, I said to use mineral oil. Also, how
> is mineral oil toxic? Baby oil is mineral oil. I have psoriasis and I
> put on baby oil at least once a day, sometimes several times a day. If
> it is so toxic, why would people be putting it on babies? Heck, if it
> is so toxic, why am I still alive? How can cooking oil be toxic
> either? I cook with cooking oil and then eat the food I cook with it.
> It may be something but hardly toxic.
> Let's see, baby oil, not toxic, doesn't short out and blow up stuff when
> it leaks. Water, one leak and you could have to buy a new rig. Cost of
> mineral oil versus a new rig. I don't think that is even close. lol
> Also, it doesn't have to be a "new" idea to work.
> Just thought it worth a mention.
> Dale
and since baby oil is so great for the job we use it as lubcritant and for cooling in engines....
On 2012-11-11, Pandu Poluan <pa...@poluan.info> wrote:
> And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant to
> dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would even go to
> lengths to design a "coolant fountain" that's not only functional, but also
> decorative.
Back in the 80's one of the local supercomputer companies (ETA
Systems) built (and actually sold) machines which used CMOS CPU boards
that ran submerged in liquid nitrogen. IIRC, they ran at around
150MHz and achieved 10 GFLOPS which was pretty amazing at the time...
However, the system software was crap. Like Cray, ETA was a CDC
spin-off and AFAICT, all CDC system software was awful. In any case,
the product was a commercial failure. I heard through the grapevine
that maintenance was a headache, and lots of boards failed due to
thermal stress when they were taken in/out of the LN2.
> That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid
> of leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of
> almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-)
One of the nice things about LN2 is that it doesn't make such a mess
when there's a leak. :)
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> and since baby oil is so great for the job we use it as lubcritant and
> for cooling in engines....
I was trying to overcome the problem that water causes things to short
out when it leaks on a mobo, something mineral oil doesn't do according
to what I have read. I never said it was the world's greatest heat
conductor.
Dale
:-) :-)
-- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Marc Joliet wrote:
> I wasn't sure what he meant, either, although looking it up, it seems
> that the term "mineral oil" basically means "a petroleum based oil".
> In fact, according to Wikipedia [0], that holds even for the food
> product "mineral oil" - which, according to the same article (see
> "Food preparation"), is forbidden in the EU (at least in food
> products). However, in medical products mineral oil is apparently held
> to strict standards and translates to "Weißöl". So it seems your baby
> oil is fine, but the cooking oil I'm not so sure about. (And here I
> thought mineral oil was something akin to vegetable oil and that it
> just had a weird name.) [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil
I just looked at the bottle I use. ;-) The only ingredients is mineral
oil and fragrance. I wouldn't put that in a computer but you can buy
pure mineral oil off the internet. I don't like the smell anyway. lol I have also seen it on the shelf as a laxative too. I've never used it
for that either. I just know it helps keep my skin from drying out
since I have severe psoriasis among other issues.
I wouldn't cook with mineral oil tho. Yikes. lol That even sounds
nasty there.
I'm not sure I would put cooking oil in a puter either tho it may work. I dunno about that tho. I just remember them using mineral oil in those
very expensive undersea robots. Some of those cost millions of dollars
and I figure they wouldn't put mineral oil in there if it is going to
burn out something. That would overcome the problem of a bad short and
possible smoke if water leaks on the mobo in a water cooled system. It
does introduce other issues but that is true of most things. Fix one
problem, create another. Nothing is perfect.
Dale
:-) :-)
-- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 12:15:14 schrieb Dale:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > and since baby oil is so great for the job we use it as lubcritant and
> > for cooling in engines....
> I was trying to overcome the problem that water causes things to short
> out when it leaks on a mobo, something mineral oil doesn't do according
> to what I have read. I never said it was the world's greatest heat
> conductor.
ever heard of 'transformer oil'?
for some reason or another they move away from mineral oil...
