new design for debian site
fi...@kucuk.org
i am new to debian lists,
i want to redesign web site, what must i do?
or may i redesign?
Firat
fi...@kucuk.org
http://firat.kucuk.org/
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Ionel Mugurel Ciobica
> hi everyone,
> i am new to debian lists,
> i want to redesign web site, what must i do?
> or may i redesign?
>
Which web site you want to redesign? Yours?
If you want to make some contribution to the www.debian.org please
read http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating for help with
translation.
Which kind of redesign you have in mind? www.debian.org is nice the
way it is, there are no flash stuff and java scripts, the only fancy
stuff is the default language settings.
Regards,
Ionel
Firat KUCUK
> On 13-12-2004, at 14h 20'15", fi...@kucuk.org wrote about "new design for
> debian site"
> > hi everyone,
> > i am new to debian lists,
> > i want to redesign web site, what must i do?
> > or may i redesign?
> >
> Hi Firat,
>
> Which web site you want to redesign? Yours?
>
> If you want to make some contribution to the www.debian.org please
> read http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating for help with
> translation.
>
> Which kind of redesign you have in mind? www.debian.org is nice the
> way it is, there are no flash stuff and java scripts, the only fancy
> stuff is the default language settings.
>
> Regards,
> Ionel
>
i just wanto redesign 'debian.org'.
i guess it is impossible.
thanks for your support.
best regards,
Firat.
Ionel Mugurel Ciobica
>
> i just wanto redesign 'debian.org'.
> i guess it is impossible.
>
> thanks for your support.
>
> best regards,
> Firat.
>
Redisign it into what? It will not get any better that it is now.
www.debian.org is made by many many people, everyone contributing with
a bit via a cvs server. You may read some info at
http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/website/, maybe start with
http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/website/desc, specially the last
paragraph: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/website/desc#nohelp
You can't make dramatic changes, nobody wants it. But if you have
nice ideeas you can always post it in here. Is there any reason why
you feal like www.debian.org needs redisign?
Ionel
fi...@kucuk.org
> On 14-12-2004, at 02h 08'26", Firat KUCUK wrote about "Re: new design for
> debian site"
> >
> > i just wanto redesign 'debian.org'.
> > i guess it is impossible.
> >
> > thanks for your support.
> >
> > best regards,
> > Firat.
> >
>
> Redisign it into what? It will not get any better that it is now.
> www.debian.org is made by many many people, everyone contributing with
> a bit via a cvs server. You may read some info at
> http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/website/, maybe start with
> http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/website/desc, specially the last
> paragraph: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/website/desc#nohelp
>
> You can't make dramatic changes, nobody wants it. But if you have
> nice ideeas you can always post it in here. Is there any reason why
> you feal like www.debian.org needs redisign?
>
>
> Ionel
>
sir,
i just thought, we may make a nice web site
like the other distros site. I just wanted to help.
sorry if i am wrong.
Firat.
David Moreno Garza
> i just thought, we may make a nice web site
> like the other distros site. I just wanted to help.
But the website is already nice! :-)
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Alexander Schmehl
* fi...@kucuk.org <fi...@kucuk.org> [041214 20:02]:
> i just thought, we may make a nice web site
> like the other distros site. I just wanted to help.
> sorry if i am wrong.
Well, perhaps it is a good idea, if you could start your work by telling
us, what you miss and what you think isn't solved good, and what you
would like to do, to solve that.
Yours sincerely,
Alexander
Mike Hommey
> On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 11:02 -0800, fi...@kucuk.org wrote:
> > i just thought, we may make a nice web site
> > like the other distros site. I just wanted to help.
>
> But the website is already nice! :-)
Yeah, if you go back in time to 1999.
Mike
Matt Kraai
> On 13-12-2004, at 14h 20'15", fi...@kucuk.org wrote about "new design for debian site"
> > hi everyone,
> > i am new to debian lists,
> > i want to redesign web site, what must i do?
> > or may i redesign?
> >
> Hi Firat,
>
> Which web site you want to redesign? Yours?
>
> If you want to make some contribution to the www.debian.org please
> read http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating for help with
> translation.
>
> Which kind of redesign you have in mind? www.debian.org is nice the
> way it is, there are no flash stuff and java scripts, the only fancy
> stuff is the default language settings.
I think that the web site could be improved.
It's annoying to have people volunteer periodically to redesign the
web site, but they shouldn't be insulted. Rather, it would be more
constructive to refer them to positive examples, such as the recent
CSS work by Jutta, Denis, and Frank.
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Matt
David Moreno Garza
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 01:28:22PM -0600, David Moreno Garza <da...@damog.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 11:02 -0800, fi...@kucuk.org wrote:
> > > i just thought, we may make a nice web site
> > > like the other distros site. I just wanted to help.
> >
> > But the website is already nice! :-)
>
> Yeah, if you go back in time to 1999.
What's the difference between 99's websites and the ones nowadays? If
Debian's site is not nice now, what would you do to change it?
Regards,
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People bitched at me to learn a foreign language so I learned Perl.
F I R A T
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 11:19 +0900, Mike Hommey wrote:On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 01:28:22PM -0600, David Moreno Garza <da...@damog.net> wrote:On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 11:02 -0800, fi...@kucuk.org wrote:i just thought, we may make a nice web site like the other distros site. I just wanted to help.But the website is already nice! :-)Yeah, if you go back in time to 1999.What's the difference between 99's websites and the ones nowadays? If Debian's site is not nice now, what would you do to change it? Regards, -- David Moreno Garza <da...@damog.net> | http://www.damog.net/ People bitched at me to learn a foreign language so I learned Perl.
more graphics (anti-aliased)
rss for news
for instance some sapmle open-source project web pages:
http://www.netbeans.org/
http://www.sleepycat.com/
http://www.blender3d.com/
http://www.mono-project.com/
Gerfried Fuchs
> David Moreno Garza wrote:
>>What's the difference between 99's websites and the ones nowadays? If
>>Debian's site is not nice now, what would you do to change it?
>>
Please read up on
<http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2004/12/mozilla-faq-on-xhtml> about
the so-called "benefits" of using xhtml. What would it gain us, really?
> more graphics (anti-aliased)
And making the webpage load longer? And cutting off handicapped
persons?
> rss for news
We have feeds for the security announces already. Granted, we should
add one for the news, too. I think I'll try to work on it.
But please understand that you should suggest _tangible_ enhances. Just
saying "there should be something changed" without mentioning it /what/
should be changed and especially *how* is not really helpful.
> for instance some sapmle open-source project web pages:
> http://www.netbeans.org/
Animated GIF as news ticker... come on. That's not really what is
helpful, do you think so?
Header lines as images.... Great.
Blender is all about a graphics program. Of _course_ there are mainly
pictures... And almost no informations on the main page, to come back to
it.
> http://www.mono-project.com/
IMHO mono page doesn't look too much different to ours. Not?
So long,
Alfie
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Jutta Wrage
Am Donnerstag, 16.12.04 um 15:03 Uhr schrieb Gerfried Fuchs:
>> for instance some sapmle open-source project web pages:
>> http://www.netbeans.org/
>
> Animated GIF as news ticker... come on. That's not really what is
> helpful, do you think so?
It uses javascript, is not valid while using loose DTD, and too wide
minimum window. It uses cookies and looks ugly in lynx. Good night
accessibility.
>> http://www.sleepycat.com/
>
> Header lines as images.... Great.
Ah, there are headings? Not in lynx. It uses tables (which we try to
remove at debian.org, using css) and javascript. The headings cannot be
enlarged in the browser as they are imgages. Beside the accessibility I
personally think, it is chaotic even in graphical browser.
Hmm, I see only the menus when calling it, The content is below my
window.
Ah, there must be something hidden within Javascript. I see nothing
better in it than in current debian pages. The layout is as simple
(maybe because I am missing something.
>> http://www.mono-project.com/
>
> IMHO mono page doesn't look too much different to ours. Not?
Oh there is a difference: Here is used javascript, too, and again
cookies. Some of the links do not work. And the 404 page does not show
the error on the first page in lynx.
The examples are very different, but all use javascript and have other
serious accessibility problems.
Maybe, Firat should read a while, learn about debian and, if he wants
to do that work possible in vain, make an example. But that should be
valid, have _no_ javascript and be accessible for everyone. It must be
tested with lynx, too.
Just my two cents as a debian user and visitor of the pages.
If my work was not accepted and some patches applied, I would have had
the only advantage to have learned much about css while working many
hours on it. I tried to make the pages look like as they have been
before to learn how the same things as with tables can be done by using
css. And I cannot say, that I do not like them. They have corporated
design and a high value or reappointment. It would not be easy to have
that in a new design.
What I did do: I made an example from one page. When I was ready, I
presented it to the debian people. But it was not really accepted then.
I had to fetch the CVS tree, work on it and put everything online to
have other people looking on it. At that point we got into a discussion
and I made some changes, before I was even told that someone wanted to
apply changes. I would not recommend anyone to do that, if he/she is
not prepared to waste about 80 or more hours of work, if none of the
changes are accepted. And for sure, if changes are accepted, you will
have to put much more work on it.
greetings
Jutta
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F I R A T
so let us make survey about this issue.
best regards,
Firat KUCUK
Wouter Verhelst
> i post your replies to many art sites. They said me "Are They
> Kidding ..?"
Debian is not an art project.
> so let us make survey about this issue.
Feel free; don't expect it to have any result, though.
As said, if you have specific ideas, you're welcome to suggest them; but
a meta-discussion about what we /could/ do won't help.
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David Moreno Garza
> i post your replies to many art sites. They said me "Are They
> Kidding ..?"
What about sending the replies to functionality, compatibility and
accessibility sites? BTW, what art sites?
> so let us make survey about this issue.
Go ahead, please.
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fi...@kucuk.org
> On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 11:45 +0200, F I R A T wrote:
> > i post your replies to many art sites. They said me "Are They
> > Kidding ..?"
>
> What about sending the replies to functionality, compatibility and
> accessibility sites? BTW, what art sites?
>
> > so let us make survey about this issue.
>
> Go ahead, please.
>
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> David Moreno Garza <da...@damog.net> | http://www.damog.net/
> I never know how much of what I say is true.
In my opinion, somes have a fixed idea about site layout.
Sorry to wish contribution.
Wouter Verhelst
> In my opinion, somes have a fixed idea about site layout.
That's not true; however, we do not necessary think that the current
layout is bad.
It isn't shiny-fancy-super-graphical; however, from a purely functional
point of view, it surely is a good site. Also, the site isn't annoyingly
ugly; it is easy to the eyes -- comparable to a book, in reading
quality.
That's what we find more important than what it looks like; after all,
the Debian website shouldn't look like a painting or a computer game; it
is a purely functional thing for an operating system. It contains the
documentation for our system, it contains an introduction in our
processes, etc. It doesn't need fancy moving graphical features or
something of the like; using those would get us at risk of getting
people annoyed, and we don't want that.
> Sorry to wish contribution.
I think you misunderstood us.
There is nothing wrong with contributing. In fact, contributions is what
Debian thrives on. If you want to contribute by doing a survey, there's
nothing wrong with that; I'm sure people would welcome it, provided it
isn't a one-man-show -- that is, that we can give some input on the
questions you'll ask in your survey. If that survey reveals there are
some issues with the website that could use some improvement, we'll
surely implement them.
It is important to note, though, that the way Debian works is that you
just submit worked out proposals. If you think the website should be
redesigned, you're welcome to go ahead and propose a new layout -- this
can easily be done by mirroring (part of) the website, and working from
there.
If we like the proposed layout, we'll accept it. If we don't, we won't.
It's as simple as that.
If you don't want to redesign the /whole/ website, you're welcome to
suggest improvements on particular bits where you think improvements are
a good idea. These are always welcome -- especially if you provide code
to back up those suggestions.
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