need help on using ffmpeg for video grab

[Long Wind]

I have bt848 card and watch TV with xawtv
As another application shows:

Device 00: BT848A video (Lifeview FlyVideo /dev/video0)
Port 00: Television
Port 01: Composite1
Port 02: S-Video
Port 03: Composite3

I select "Composite1" in xawtv
I try ffmpeg with this command:

ffmpeg -s vga -f video4linux2 -i /dev/video0 t2.mpg

then I "ffplay t2.mpg", it shows green screen
maybe I didn't specify "Composite1" in ffmpeg command, but how to do that?
or maybe I didn't specify PAL, but how to do that?


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[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:59:52AM -0400, Long Wind wrote:
> I have bt848 card and watch TV with xawtv
> As another application shows:
>
> Device 00: BT848A video (Lifeview FlyVideo /dev/video0)
> Port 00: Television
> Port 01: Composite1
> Port 02: S-Video
> Port 03: Composite3
>
> I select "Composite1" in xawtv
> I try ffmpeg with this command:
>
> ffmpeg -s vga -f video4linux2 -i /dev/video0 t2.mpg
>
> then I "ffplay t2.mpg", it shows green screen
> maybe I didn't specify "Composite1" in ffmpeg command, but how to do that?
> or maybe I didn't specify PAL, but how to do that?

Wrong list! Please direct your question to a ffmpeg users list.

P.S. ffmpeg is now deprecated, Debian is moving to the libav suite.
You should have seen a message to that effect when you ran it.

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[Camaleón]

On Sat, 19 May 2012 05:51:51 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:59:52AM -0400, Long Wind wrote:
>> I have bt848 card and watch TV with xawtv As another application shows:
>>
>> Device 00: BT848A video (Lifeview FlyVideo /dev/video0)
>> Port 00: Television
>> Port 01: Composite1
>> Port 02: S-Video
>> Port 03: Composite3
>>
>> I select "Composite1" in xawtv
>> I try ffmpeg with this command:
>>
>> ffmpeg -s vga -f video4linux2 -i /dev/video0 t2.mpg
>>
>> then I "ffplay t2.mpg", it shows green screen maybe I didn't specify
>> "Composite1" in ffmpeg command, but how to do that? or maybe I didn't
>> specify PAL, but how to do that?

FFmpeg is very powerful but you have to carefully read the docs and
search for command line samples when something goes wrong, e.g.:

http://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg.html#Examples

>From there it can be read:

"(...) Note that you must activate the right video source and channel
before launching ffmpeg with any TV viewer such as xawtv by Gerd Knorr.
You also have to set the audio recording levels correctly with a standard
mixer."

Maybe is that you missed the "-channel" argument?

Anyway, you can also consider in using a different application such as
VideoLAN which is simpler to use and can also grab the video from the TV
card.

> Wrong list! Please direct your question to a ffmpeg users list.

I don't think so. It could be somehow [OT] but this list is okay for that
kind of questions.

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[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 02:59:39PM +0000, Camale�n wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2012 05:51:51 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > Wrong list! Please direct your question to a ffmpeg users list.
>
> I don't think so. It could be somehow [OT] but this list is okay for that
> kind of questions.

No it is not!

I know you mean well, but please don't encourage this type of behaviour,
especially when there are lists available especially for these type of
questions.

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[Camaleón]

On Sun, 20 May 2012 05:28:33 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 02:59:39PM +0000, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 May 2012 05:51:51 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
>> > Wrong list! Please direct your question to a ffmpeg users list.
>>
>> I don't think so. It could be somehow [OT] but this list is okay for
>> that kind of questions.
>
> No it is not!

?

Then kindly explain why you think so.

FFmpeg is a program like any other available and packaged for Debian
(29,000 and increasing), if a user has problems for using it, what do you
suggest then? Send every user to every single list of every single
package? With all the due respects, that's nonsense.

> I know you mean well, but please don't encourage this type of behaviour,
> especially when there are lists available especially for these type of
> questions.

Sorry, but to be sincere, I don't see the problem.

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[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 05:45:31PM +0000, Camaleón wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 05:28:33 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
>
> > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 02:59:39PM +0000, Camaleón wrote:
> >> On Sat, 19 May 2012 05:51:51 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >> > Wrong list! Please direct your question to a ffmpeg users list.
> >>
> >> I don't think so. It could be somehow [OT] but this list is okay for
> >> that kind of questions.
> >
> > No it is not!
>
> ?
>
> Then kindly explain why you think so.

http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
...
Code of conduct

When using the Debian mailing lists, please follow these rules:
* The mailing lists exist to foster the development and use of Debian
...
* Make sure that you are using the proper list.

> FFmpeg is a program like any other available and packaged for Debian
> (29,000 and increasing), if a user has problems for using it, what do you

Exactly! 29,000 OT questions? Please be sensible!

Why do think there is:
https://lists.ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user/
http://www.mutt.org/mail-lists.html

etc ... etc ... etc ...

> suggest then? Send every user to every single list of every single

Well use your common sense. If it looks like the problem is Debian
related, i.e. the way the program interacts with Debian -- then sure, It
is fine and very relevant to this list.

If it looks like a problem with the usage of the actual program, then
the user is better posting his/her question on the actual support list.
Why?
* That is where the developers and users "hang out".
* Therefore you are more likely to find someone who can help.
* The question, itself, can help quide the development:
1) Is the documentation adequate?
2) Is there a bug in the program?
* Allows the "site:" search term to be more informative.
* Probably other reasons which don't immediately come to me.

> package? With all the due respects, that's nonsense.

Au contraire, it is perfectly sensible.

> Sorry, but to be sincere, I don't see the problem.

That is indeed unfortunate. :( Hopefully, you can now?

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[Camaleón]

On Mon, 21 May 2012 02:49:34 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 05:45:31PM +0000, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 05:28:33 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 02:59:39PM +0000, Camaleón wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 19 May 2012 05:51:51 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
>> >> > Wrong list! Please direct your question to a ffmpeg users list.
>> >>
>> >> I don't think so. It could be somehow [OT] but this list is okay for
>> >> that kind of questions.
>> >
>> > No it is not!
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Then kindly explain why you think so.
>
> http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
> ...
> Code of conduct
>
> When using the Debian mailing lists, please follow these rules:
> * The mailing lists exist to foster the development and use of
> Debian ...

"(...) Non-constructive or off-topic messages, along with other abuses,
are not welcome."

> * Make sure that you are using the proper list.

And "debian-user" (→ "Help and discussion among users of Debian") suits
perfect for the question.

Anyway, how the above affects to this matter? I still fail to see your
point because if so, we have to stop accepting posts asking how does Mutt
work or how can gnome-terminal be opened at the desired window size. Are
you proposing we reach that extreme? Come on...

>> FFmpeg is a program like any other available and packaged for Debian
>> (29,000 and increasing), if a user has problems for using it, what do
>> you
>
> Exactly! 29,000 OT questions? Please be sensible!
>
> Why do think there is:
> https://lists.ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user/
> http://www.mutt.org/mail-lists.html
>
> etc ... etc ... etc ...

Those lists are aimed for users who need "specific" assistance not for
common questions that can be easily solved here by other users who do
know how the application works.

>> suggest then? Send every user to every single list of every single
>
> Well use your common sense.

I try doing so, all the time. But reading comments (like this of yours)
is what makes me wonder if people here is going crazy or what :-)

> If it looks like the problem is Debian related, i.e. the way the
> program interacts with Debian -- then sure, It is fine and very
> relevant to this list.

And what's a "Debian related" question? FFmpeg is not interacting with
your Debian system? Neither xawtv? What's then the goal of having a OS if
you can't run an application of your liking? Have we to stop asking
questions when they're not directly related to the functioning of the
operating system? That's simply absurd and of course that's not what the
Code of Conduct for this mailing list wants to promulgate.

> If it looks like a problem with the usage of the actual program, then
> the user is better posting his/her question on the actual support list.

Of course it can be *better*, but not *a must*. There's a slight
difference between the two stanzas. You can _suggest_ a user to ask in
another specialized mailing list to get more answers but you can't tell
the user _this is not the correct_ mailing list for such questions.

> Why?
> * That is where the developers and users "hang out".

Not always. Most devels stay-away of user-targeted mailing list and read
only those with -devel tag to avoid losing their time (much noise).
Anyway, this is not a question for a developer but for plain users.

> * Therefore you are more likely to find someone who can help.

I fail to see how... devels are not usually very patient when it comes to
answer user's questions ;-)

> * The question, itself,
> can help quide the development:
> 1) Is the documentation adequate?

Being ffmpeg, not always. Docs and samples are scarce and not easy to
understand, it's a program plenty of options.

> 2) Is there a bug in the program?

Irrelevant for this subject.

> * Allows the "site:" search term to be more informative.
> * Probably other reasons which don't immediately come to me.

Posting to the program mailing list is something completely up to the
user, you cannot enforce his/her decision.

>> package? With all the due respects, that's nonsense.
>
> Au contraire, it is perfectly sensible.

"Sensible"? Not for the user who needs help with a Debian package.

>> Sorry, but to be sincere, I don't see the problem.
>
> That is indeed unfortunate. :( Hopefully, you can now?

No, sorry. I think you simply overreacted in your first post.

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[Wayne Topa]

On 05/19/2012 01:28 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 02:59:39PM +0000, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 May 2012 05:51:51 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> Wrong list! Please direct your question to a ffmpeg users list.
>>
>> I don't think so. It could be somehow [OT] but this list is okay for that
>> kind of questions.
>
> No it is not!
>

> I know you mean well, but please don't encourage this type of behavior,

> especially when there are lists available especially for these type of
> questions.
>

Chris

The 3rd link from a DuckDuckGo query for FFmpeg Howto is a howto.
The 2nd link is the FFmpeg home site.

WE like to help those that help themselves. Remember we are all users
and not paid for helping.

Trey using the net to find answers first. Those that don't usually
don't get any reply.

Hope this helps, somehow.

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[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 03:36:10PM +0000, Camaleón wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 02:49:34 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> point because if so, we have to stop accepting posts asking how does Mutt

> work ...

Good luck with answering that question. Seriously, questions like that
should be directed to Eric Raymond's ramblings:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

> you proposing we reach that extreme? Come on...

Extreme? No, but consider each post on its merits.

> > Why do think there is:
> > https://lists.ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user/
> > http://www.mutt.org/mail-lists.html
> >
> > etc ... etc ... etc ...
>
> Those lists are aimed for users who need "specific" assistance not for
> common questions that can be easily solved here by other users who do
> know how the application works.

Sorry, I don't see it that way. I don't see debian-user as <italic>the first
"port of call" and if you don't get any help ***THEN*** google and try
to find out where the ***ACTUAL*** place to get support is.</italic>

> > Well use your common sense.
>
> I try doing so, all the time. But reading comments (like this of yours)
> is what makes me wonder if people here is going crazy or what :-)

LOL, thinking of Manuel, pronounced "Manwell" by John Cleese, in Fawlty
Towers; but I think it was banned in Spain?

"Reading" any document and gleaning the meaning from it ***DOES***
involve common sense. Remember, the person writing is probably having
trouble conveying their thoughts into words so as to convey the meaning
of what they are ***TRYING*** to say.

> > If it looks like the problem is Debian related, i.e. the way the
> > program interacts with Debian -- then sure, It is fine and very
> > relevant to this list.
>
> And what's a "Debian related" question? FFmpeg is not interacting with

I can't easily answer that question, I guess it comes with experience.

Distribution specific questions are obviously Debian related. Questions
where you'd get the same answer, no matter what Distribution you were
using is not a "Debian related" question. Agreed?

> your Debian system? Neither xawtv? What's then the goal of having a OS if
> you can't run an application of your liking?

Well, it does involve quite a bit of work from the user. If the
"application of your liking" works OOTB then I consider it a
coincidence. Usually, to get it working to "your liking", involves a bit
of research and messing around with settings, config files, etc.

> questions when they're not directly related to the functioning of the
> operating system? That's simply absurd and of course that's not what the
> Code of Conduct for this mailing list wants to promulgate.

That is not how I read it. In fact I'd have thought the opposite. My
reading of it suggests that it is worded so as to discourage "questions

when they're not directly related to the functioning of the operating

system".

> > If it looks like a problem with the usage of the actual program, then
> > the user is better posting his/her question on the actual support list.
>
> Of course it can be *better*, but not *a must*. There's a slight

I'm aware of that. Where is there "a must" in the above paragraph?

Same as: posting in html is not a must, it is to be discouraged and some
people even answer such posts, but you are "better off" not posting in
html. If it is multpart-alternate then mutt displays it as plain text.
If it displays as html, I delete it pronto! Hence they, are *better off*
posting in plain-text or they *must* post in plain-text depends on
whether they want an answer from me.

> difference between the two stanzas. You can _suggest_ a user to ask in
> another specialized mailing list to get more answers but you can't tell
> the user _this is not the correct_ mailing list for such questions.

OK. You are correct. It was the wrong way to say "that you'd be better
off asking your question on a (the?) ffmpeg user list."

> > Why?

[the user is better posting his/her question on the actual support
list.]

> > * That is where the developers and users "hang out".
>
> Not always. Most devels stay-away of user-targeted mailing list and read

In fact, my experience has indicated the opposite. It is
less likely that any Tom, Dick, or Harry will get away with posting a
down right wrong or misleading answer. Because ---> "That is where the

developers and users "hang out""

> only those with -devel tag to avoid losing their time (much noise).
> Anyway, this is not a question for a developer but for plain users.

Yeah, but my point was that if a developer sees a question it *may*
help improve the program.

> > * Therefore you are more likely to find someone who can help.
>
> I fail to see how... devels are not usually very patient when it comes to
> answer user's questions ;-)
>
> > * The question, itself,
> > can help quide the development:
> > 1) Is the documentation adequate?
>
> Being ffmpeg, not always. Docs and samples are scarce and not easy to
> understand, it's a program plenty of options.

Yeah, but it is well documented!! There is a difference! There is a
difference between hand-holding tutorials and good documentation.

Have a look at fvwm for example. Not my idea of fun reading the man
page, but there is no way you can say that it is not well documented.

> > 2) Is there a bug in the program?
>
> Irrelevant for this subject.

Pardon? The point 2) is regarding "where the developer sees the
question, and could trigger that thought in the developers mind.

>
> > * Allows the "site:" search term to be more informative.
> > * Probably other reasons which don't immediately come to me.
>
> Posting to the program mailing list is something completely up to the
> user, you cannot enforce his/her decision.

No, of course not. "You can take a horse to water but you can't make it
drink" is an old proverb which springs to mind. But hopefully, outlining
some of the benefits (which is what I was endeavouring to do with that list
above) will be enough for "them to see the light". Of course, they can
still choose to do as they please. E.g That has determined whether
murderers have either gone to the electric chair or the asylum.¹

> >> package? With all the due respects, that's nonsense.
> >
> > Au contraire, it is perfectly sensible.
>
> "Sensible"? Not for the user who needs help with a Debian package.

But pointing them to the "best" place for help, is helping them.
Ignoring them or guessing the answer is not helping them.

Honestly, how many ffmpeg user experts would you expect on the
debian-user list compared to the number of ffmpeg user experts on an
ffmpeg user list?

> > That is indeed unfortunate. :( Hopefully, you can now?
>
> No, sorry. I think you simply overreacted in your first post.

Yeah I admit it, but I still think my reasoning was sound, it was the
implementation which was poor. The first post being in response to the
OP where I said "Wrong List!".

But it was you *who* gave the impression that any question was welcome
on this list, with your response: "No its not". It was *that* response
which triggered all this verbiage.

¹Not the best analogy, because ignorance of the law won't get you off,
but in regards to the interpretation of the law I can't really think of
a better one. Also there is that third variable "Lawyers!", where if you
have enough money and/or are a celebrity changes things completely.

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[Camaleón]

On Tue, 22 May 2012 02:49:23 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 03:36:10PM +0000, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 02:49:34 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: point
>> because if so, we have to stop accepting posts asking how does Mutt
>> work ...
>
> Good luck with answering that question.

(...)

What question? General questions about how to use a program (program →
mutt, ffmpeg, gnome-terminal or whatever package you can get from Debian
repositories or elsewhere)?

Those questions do fit here. Period. You are free to reply them (if you
think you have the answer or can provide useful information that may help
the user) or omit them (if you know nothing about the problem or have
nothing useful to say).

And I'm going to stop this because I'm afraid it goes nowhere :-/

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[Tom H]

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Camaleón <noel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What question? General questions about how to use a program (program →
> mutt, ffmpeg, gnome-terminal or whatever package you can get from Debian
> repositories or elsewhere)?
>
> Those questions do fit here. Period. You are free to reply them (if you
> think you have the answer or can provide useful information that may help
> the user) or omit them (if you know nothing about the problem or have
> nothing useful to say).

+1

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[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 22 mai 12, 02:49:23, Chris Bannister wrote:
>
> Sorry, I don't see it that way. I don't see debian-user as <italic>the first
> "port of call" and if you don't get any help ***THEN*** google and try
> to find out where the ***ACTUAL*** place to get support is.</italic>

IMVHO it is entirely apropiate for somebody to ask questions to a
specific application packaged for Debian given that the Debian package
may be patched or compiled different than the standard options.

Also, some upstreams are even quite hostile to The Debian Way (tm)
regarding stable releases and the first advice might be to compile the
latest version. Even if running sid you may be a few releases behind[1].

Add to this that even the general Debian[2] advice is to report bugs in
the Debian BTS and let the maintainer forward bugs upstream if needed.

[1] but I do expect sid users to be able to help themselves :)
[2] except packages that are prone to receive *a lot* of bug reports,
like Gnome, KDE, Iceweasel, etc.

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[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:48:49PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 22 mai 12, 02:49:23, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I don't see it that way. I don't see debian-user as <italic>the first
> > "port of call" and if you don't get any help ***THEN*** google and try
> > to find out where the ***ACTUAL*** place to get support is.</italic>
>
> IMVHO it is entirely apropiate for somebody to ask questions to a
> specific application packaged for Debian given that the Debian package
> may be patched or compiled different than the standard options.

Good point. Although you find out soon enough about that sort of thing
from the other users.

> Also, some upstreams are even quite hostile to The Debian Way (tm)
> regarding stable releases and the first advice might be to compile the
> latest version. Even if running sid you may be a few releases behind[1].

If you think you've found a bug sure, you'll normally get asked to
compile against latest git/svn/cvs to see if it still exists. The Debian
BTS also has bugs which are signed off "as we believe the bug is fixed in
the latest upload ... etc."

Not to sure about "hostile to The Debian Way (tm)", I know the exim
developers and I think the Ruby developers are like that.

But for general usage questions, tips, etc, you can't really beat the actual
mailing list for the program.

> Add to this that even the general Debian[2] advice is to report bugs in
> the Debian BTS and let the maintainer forward bugs upstream if needed.

Yeah, for bugs, but I'm referring to general usage questions.

> [1] but I do expect sid users to be able to help themselves :)
> [2] except packages that are prone to receive *a lot* of bug reports,
> like Gnome, KDE, Iceweasel, etc.

Apparently they're "swamped" with unhelpful bug reports. :(

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[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 00:24:37 +1200, Chris wrote in message
<20120522122437.GC25963@tal>:

..these too may be caused by The Debian Way[TM] of doing things.

> > [1] but I do expect sid users to be able to help themselves :)
> > [2] except packages that are prone to receive *a lot* of bug
> > reports, like Gnome, KDE, Iceweasel, etc.
>
> Apparently they're "swamped" with unhelpful bug reports. :(

..some of which are caused by unhelpful responses here to
_our_ newbie newcomers.

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...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
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