Iceweasel annoyance
John Jason Jordan
the same thing. And they are not the only apps that annoy me with this
"feature."
What is this annoyance?
I am on a web page and there is a link for Contact Us. I know little of
html, but I think the code behind the link is "mailto." If I click on
it a window pops up on the desktop inviting me to configure Evolution.
Well, Evolution is not configured and never will be configured. I use
Sylpheed for my mail reader. I am very happy with Sylpheed and have no
intention of changing.
So I went into Preferences > Applications in Iceweasel and noted that
for mailto only Yahoo mail and Gmail were listed. I don't want to use
either of them; I want it to launch a Compose Message window in
Sylpheed. So I deleted them. Now when I click on the Contact Us link in
the web page Iceweasel pops up a little box that says "This link needs
to be opened with an application: Send to:" -- and then I can click on
a button to choose the application.
And there is the annoyance. When I click on the button I get a Nautilus
browser window. Like I know where the Sylpheed executable file is
located or what it is called. And you MUST use this browser window to
select the application. You can't just type the name of the application
in a box like you can when you edit your Applications menu.
If I right-click on any other file on my computer I get an "Open with"
dialog box where I can choose from a list of installed applications.
Why can't Iceweasel present me with something like that? Grrrr.
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Neal Hogan
You need to slow down.
Yes . . . there is a period one needs to get used to a new system. If
you have completely switched (i.e., wiped your ubuntu partition) to
debian and aren't comfortable, shame on you. It's not that Debian is
that much different, but it's that such a move is irresponsible, given
you're lack of experience.
It was suggested that you start slowly . . . dual boot . . . try stuff
out and see what happens. Problems with visiting and dealing with
websites are not areas to claim problems with the OS. If you want a
certain bit of software, look for it, try to configure it and , WHEN
ALL ELSE FAILS, come to this list for help.
As others have said, *NIX requires work. Ubuntu (and others) try to
make that work as little as possible;) If you want to advance your
*nix skills, then you need to do stuff on your own. There are so many
forums, archives, tutorials that can help you, if you only look . . .
. . . . so . . . . look!
Once, you've exhausted the possibilities, you come to this list.
jjj, please take this as encouragement . . . I've been there/I am there.
Celejar
John Jason Jordan <joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
...
> I am on a web page and there is a link for Contact Us. I know little of
> html, but I think the code behind the link is "mailto." If I click on
> it a window pops up on the desktop inviting me to configure Evolution.
> Well, Evolution is not configured and never will be configured. I use
> Sylpheed for my mail reader. I am very happy with Sylpheed and have no
> intention of changing.
>
> So I went into Preferences > Applications in Iceweasel and noted that
> for mailto only Yahoo mail and Gmail were listed. I don't want to use
> either of them; I want it to launch a Compose Message window in
> Sylpheed. So I deleted them. Now when I click on the Contact Us link in
> the web page Iceweasel pops up a little box that says "This link needs
> to be opened with an application: Send to:" -- and then I can click on
> a button to choose the application.
You don't say what version of IW you're running, but on mine 3.5.5) I
do Prefs / Apps, and then select the dropdown 'Action' menu for the
'mailto' entry, which includes a choice 'select other'. IIUC, you can't
invoke sylph directly, since there's no way to pass it the '--compose'
option, so just follow these directions:
http://howto-pages.org/mozilla.php
Works like a charm.
[I've been meaning to do this for a while; your post finally gave me
the impetus :)]
> And there is the annoyance. When I click on the button I get a Nautilus
> browser window. Like I know where the Sylpheed executable file is
> located or what it is called. And you MUST use this browser window to
Doing:
$ which sylpheed
tells you what you want to know
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Patrick Wiseman
> JJJ,
>
> You need to slow down.
>
> Yes . . . there is a period one needs to get used to a new system. If
> you have completely switched (i.e., wiped your ubuntu partition) to
> debian and aren't comfortable, shame on you. It's not that Debian is
> that much different, but it's that such a move is irresponsible, given
> you're lack of experience.
>
> It was suggested that you start slowly . . . dual boot . . . try stuff
> out and see what happens. Problems with visiting and dealing with
> websites are not areas to claim problems with the OS. If you want a
> certain bit of software, look for it, try to configure it and , WHEN
> ALL ELSE FAILS, come to this list for help.
>
> As others have said, *NIX requires work. Ubuntu (and others) try to
> make that work as little as possible;) If you want to advance your
> *nix skills, then you need to do stuff on your own. There are so many
> forums, archives, tutorials that can help you, if you only look . . .
> . . . . so . . . . look!
>
> Once, you've exhausted the possibilities, you come to this list.
>
> jjj, please take this as encouragement . . . I've been there/I am there.
>
I don't have an answer for the OP, but this (top-posted) "response" is
completely unresponsive, presumptuous, arrogant, unhelpful, dickish,
and possibly a reason why people who come to this forum for help
leave, pissed off. Give the guy a break. He has a perfectly
articulated and reasonable problem. Maybe someone other than me or
Neal can actually offer him some help.
Patrick
John Jason Jordan
Celejar <cel...@gmail.com> dijo:
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:51:51 -0800
> John Jason Jordan <joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > I am on a web page and there is a link for Contact Us. I know little of
> > html, but I think the code behind the link is "mailto." If I click on
> > it a window pops up on the desktop inviting me to configure Evolution.
> > Well, Evolution is not configured and never will be configured. I use
> > Sylpheed for my mail reader. I am very happy with Sylpheed and have no
> > intention of changing.
> >
> > So I went into Preferences > Applications in Iceweasel and noted that
> > for mailto only Yahoo mail and Gmail were listed. I don't want to use
> > either of them; I want it to launch a Compose Message window in
> > Sylpheed. So I deleted them. Now when I click on the Contact Us link in
> > the web page Iceweasel pops up a little box that says "This link needs
> > to be opened with an application: Send to:" -- and then I can click on
> > a button to choose the application.
>
> You don't say what version of IW you're running, but on mine 3.5.5) I
> do Prefs / Apps, and then select the dropdown 'Action' menu for the
> 'mailto' entry, which includes a choice 'select other'. IIUC, you can't
> invoke sylph directly, since there's no way to pass it the '--compose'
> option, so just follow these directions:
>
> http://howto-pages.org/mozilla.php
>
> Works like a charm.
Great web page. I tried the instructions, but I can't get it to work.
That is, I copied and pasted the script from that page into a Gedit
document and saved it as Iceweasel_mailto_link_to_Sylpheed in ~/. Then
I went into Iceweasel's Preferences > Applications > mailto and
selected "Other." But it won't take the script in the box. I tried
renaming it to something 8.3, but still no joy. I note in Nautilus that
the icon for the script indicates it is a script. I seem to recall that
you had to make a script executable by right-clicking on the file in
Nautilus and then going into Properties. But the Properties dialog box
no longer has that option. Maybe I have to make it executable from the
command line. Or maybe it already is automatically. In any event, I am
still stuck, although this approach seems promising.
John Jason Jordan
Patrick Wiseman <pwis...@gmail.com> dijo:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Neal Hogan <neal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > JJJ,
> >
> > You need to slow down.
> I don't have an answer for the OP, but this (top-posted) "response" is
> completely unresponsive, presumptuous, arrogant, unhelpful, dickish,
> and possibly a reason why people who come to this forum for help
> leave, pissed off. Give the guy a break. He has a perfectly
> articulated and reasonable problem. Maybe someone other than me or
> Neal can actually offer him some help.
Not to worry. Celejar just posted a solution. I don't have it working
yet, but it looks very promising. And I can possibly use the methodlogy
later in other situations.
As for being offended, yeah, it is annoying when people post things
like that, but I've been on e-lists and forums for ages with Linux. I'm
a big boy now. I can take it. Besides, he really meant well.
I should add that I currently have Debian testing almost to the point
where my Jaunty installation was. I still have a couple apps to install
and configure, and I need to migrate my printers, and my bluetooth
mouse still isn't working. But I'm very close to having a very usable
OS now. Moreover, I'm liking it a lot. Like wow! I'm riding on my own
now without the Ubuntu training wheels!
T o n g
> And you MUST use this browser window to select the application. You
> can't just type the name of the application in a box like you can when
> you edit your Applications menu.
Quite agree.
Similarly, what annoys me is the input text with the "browse" button for
local files (whenever you need to do upload, attachments etc), I have to
use that browser window to select the file.
I'm a command line guy, I used to paste the abs path of the file (from
realpath) as string into the input text field and never bother with the
"browse" button to click, click, click, click. . . Now I can't.
Iceweasel/firefox such Ms Winblow behavior and enforcement just annoys me
to death.
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T o n g
> Give the guy a break. He has a perfectly articulated and reasonable
> problem.
Bravo Patrick!
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Anthony Campbell
> I shouldn't blame Iceweasel, because when I used to use Firefox it did
> the same thing. And they are not the only apps that annoy me with this
> "feature."
>
> What is this annoyance?
>
> I am on a web page and there is a link for Contact Us. I know little of
> html, but I think the code behind the link is "mailto." If I click on
> it a window pops up on the desktop inviting me to configure Evolution.
> Well, Evolution is not configured and never will be configured. I use
> Sylpheed for my mail reader. I am very happy with Sylpheed and have no
> intention of changing.
>
[snip]
I've tried various ways of getting this to work over the years but now I
just take the simple way out. I right-click on the "mail-to" link. This
produces a little window with the email address in it. I copy this into
Mutt and carry on from there. Not very elegant but it works.
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Chris Jackson
> On 21 Nov 2009, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>> I am on a web page and there is a link for Contact Us. I know little of
>> html, but I think the code behind the link is "mailto." If I click on
>> it a window pops up on the desktop inviting me to configure Evolution.
>> Well, Evolution is not configured and never will be configured. I use
>> Sylpheed for my mail reader. I am very happy with Sylpheed and have no
>> intention of changing.
>>
>
> [snip]
>
> I've tried various ways of getting this to work over the years but now I
> just take the simple way out. I right-click on the "mail-to" link. This
> produces a little window with the email address in it. I copy this into
> Mutt and carry on from there. Not very elegant but it works.
If you go to Edit - Preferences, go to the "Applications" section, and
add or change the entry for content type "mailto", you can use a
different mailer.
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Camaleón
> I shouldn't blame Iceweasel, because when I used to use Firefox it did
> the same thing. And they are not the only apps that annoy me with this
> "feature."
>
> What is this annoyance?
Yes, "that" annoyance comes from "upstream" (Firefox).
> I am on a web page and there is a link for Contact Us. I know little of
> html, but I think the code behind the link is "mailto." If I click on it
> a window pops up on the desktop inviting me to configure Evolution.
> Well, Evolution is not configured and never will be configured. I use
> Sylpheed for my mail reader. I am very happy with Sylpheed and have no
> intention of changing.
If you are on Gnome, then you're lucky. Firefox integrates better with it
(at least for managing "mimetypes" and "mimehandlers") :-)
To make Icedove opens Sylpheed, just go to Gnome "System / Preferences /
Preferred applications" and select there the MUA of your choice.
(...)
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Neal Hogan
To all those who think that my post was "completely unresponsive,
presumptuous, arrogant, unhelpful, dickish, and possibly a reason why
people who come to this forum for help leave, pissed off" let me say a
few of things
1) Posting your concern or your approval of such a concern is
self-refuting (plus it was top-posted, b/c it wasn't a direct response
to the OP's problem).
2) The OP seems to have appreciated the manner in which I sent it. I
suggested "taking off the training wheels" and the OP is starting to
do so.
3) The "help" was merely a pointier to a tutorial.
I wish John nothing but the best. If you were annoyed or offended,
then you miss the point. Using this list as your personal man
page/blog is not fair (yes, yes . . . refer to my first point ;-).
Celejar
John Jason Jordan <joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
...
> no longer has that option. Maybe I have to make it executable from the
> command line. Or maybe it already is automatically. In any event, I am
> still stuck, although this approach seems promising.
>From the command line: 'chmod +x scriptname'
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Joel Roth
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:51:51 -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
> > And you MUST use this browser window to select the application. You
> > can't just type the name of the application in a box like you can when
> > you edit your Applications menu.
>
> Quite agree.
>
> Similarly, what annoys me is the input text with the "browse" button for
> local files (whenever you need to do upload, attachments etc), I have to
> use that browser window to select the file.
>
> I'm a command line guy, I used to paste the abs path of the file (from
> realpath) as string into the input text field and never bother with the
> "browse" button to click, click, click, click. . . Now I can't.
>
> Iceweasel/firefox such Ms Winblow behavior and enforcement just annoys me
> to death.
I think this is a (Gnome?) toolkit issue, since I encounter the same
totalitarian file-selection widget in several apps.
"What green, wide-eyed youngster wrote that?" I wonder.
I'd prefer text input (especially with ReadLine style tab
completion) any day!
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ERSEK Laszlo
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 05:55:16AM +0000, T o n g wrote:
>>
>> I'm a command line guy, I used to paste the abs path of the file (from
>> realpath) as string into the input text field and never bother with the
>> "browse" button to click, click, click, click. . . Now I can't.
>>
> I think this is a (Gnome?) toolkit issue, since I encounter the same
> totalitarian file-selection widget in several apps.
>
> I'd prefer text input (especially with ReadLine style tab
> completion) any day!
I'm not sure I get what you're talking about, but:
In the GTK file selection window (eg. under Firefox's Ctrl+O hotkey),
press "/", as if starting to enter an absoulte pathname. A Location
textbox will appear, where you can middle-button-paste and tab-complete.
This will even stay permanent: the file
~/.config/gtk-2.0/gtkfilechooser.ini will be created or modified, with the
following contents:
[Filechooser Settings]
LocationMode=filename-entry
ShowHidden=false
ExpandFolders=true
(The LocationMode entry is the important one.)
I'm not sure this is what you're looking for, as this Location textbox can
be switched on by a quite obtrusive button in the top left corner as well,
with a tooltip saying "Type a file name". So this may be a feature of the
GTK file chooser, while the GNOME one might lack it.
Sorry if the above is completely irrelevant in the tread.
Cheers,
lacos
Michelle Konzack
> If I right-click on any other file on my computer I get an "Open with"
> dialog box where I can choose from a list of installed applications.
> Why can't Iceweasel present me with something like that? Grrrr.
Gratulations, now we are at least two!
I hate Firefox/Iceweasel into hell. With Seamonkey it works.
And of course, you can ONLY add an application,
but you can not add options to the executable.
This is the last crap ever seen.
Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Michelle Konzack
Am 2009-11-23 03:44:13, schrieb ERSEK Laszlo:
> I'm not sure I get what you're talking about, but:
>
> In the GTK file selection window (eg. under Firefox's Ctrl+O
> hotkey), press "/", as if starting to enter an absoulte pathname. A
> Location textbox will appear, where you can middle-button-paste and
> tab-complete.
Hey cool, I was not aware of this.
> This will even stay permanent: the file
> ~/.config/gtk-2.0/gtkfilechooser.ini will be created or modified,
> with the following contents:
>
> [Filechooser Settings]
> LocationMode=filename-entry
> ShowHidden=false
> ExpandFolders=true
This is already set by default and it does not work since the Dialog
"File Open" from Firefox is slightly different from the GTK-2.0 one.
Michelle Konzack
> If you go to Edit - Preferences, go to the "Applications" section,
> and add or change the entry for content type "mailto", you can use a
> different mailer.
I am using a script to run mutt:
----[ '~/bin/mutt_firefox' ]--------------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh
xterm -geometry 80x45+400+100 -u8 -e mutt -e "set editor=mcedit" $1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Which generaly works, IF the "mailto:" link does not use something like
?subject=something
attached. Also it opens every time a new tab which is not more closed.
Question: How can I prevnt Firefox openening every time I click
on a "mailto:" link an empty TAB or WINDOW?
Clive Standbridge
>
> I am using a script to run mutt:
>
> ----[ '~/bin/mutt_firefox' ]--------------------------------------------
> #!/bin/sh
>
> xterm -geometry 80x45+400+100 -u8 -e mutt -e "set editor=mcedit" $1
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Which generaly works, IF the "mailto:"; link does not use something
> like
>
> ?subject=something
>
> attached.
I suspect that's because your $1 is not quoted. For good measure I'm
using
-- "$@"
where you have
$1
> Also it opens every time a new tab which is not more
> closed.
>
> Question: How can I prevnt Firefox openening every time I click
> on a "mailto:"; link an empty TAB or WINDOW?
I don't know about that. For what it's worth it doesn't happen here
(Iceweasel 3.0.6/Debian 5.0 Lenny). It's not obvious which config item
might affect that.
Regards,
Clive
Celejar
Clive Standbridge <Clive.St...@myriadgroup.com> wrote:
> Michelle Konzack wrote:
> >
> > I am using a script to run mutt:
> >
> > ----[ '~/bin/mutt_firefox' ]--------------------------------------------
> > #!/bin/sh
> >
> > xterm -geometry 80x45+400+100 -u8 -e mutt -e "set editor=mcedit" $1
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Which generaly works, IF the "mailto:"; link does not use something
> > like
> >
> > ?subject=something
> >
> > attached.
>
> I suspect that's because your $1 is not quoted. For good measure I'm
> using
> -- "$@"
> where you have
> $1
And without the quotes, one wrong click and she's toast:
"Note that the quotes around the $1 in my script are crucial from a
security point of view. Imagine the consequences of you clicking on a
link like this:
mailto:som...@somedomain.tld; rm -Rf $HOME/*
Without the quotes, my script would end up doing this:
sylpheed --compose mailto:som...@somedomain.tld; rm -Rf $HOME/*
...which could have unpleasant consequences..."
http://howto-pages.org/mozilla.php
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> I shouldn't blame Iceweasel, because when I used to use Firefox it did
> the same thing. And they are not the only apps that annoy me with this
> "feature."
>
> What is this annoyance?
Why annoyance?
Your email subject would have been way more descriptive if it was:
"Changing the e-mail program used by Iceweasel"
> I am on a web page and there is a link for Contact Us. I know little of
> html, but I think the code behind the link is "mailto." [..]
>
> So I went into Preferences > Applications in Iceweasel and noted that
> for mailto only Yahoo mail and Gmail were listed. I don't want to use
> either of them; I want it to launch a Compose Message window in
> Sylpheed.
... and if you google for:
"Changing the e-mail program used by firefox"
then guess what, the first answer is:
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Changing+the+e-mail+program+used+by+Firefox
BTW, And you can claim it :
"Firefox 3.5.5 was my idea"
(because you can select your local program)
note: the solution in this email are 100% not-tested !
Franklin
Joel Roth
> Hello Laszlo,
>
> Am 2009-11-23 03:44:13, schrieb ERSEK Laszlo:
> > I'm not sure I get what you're talking about, but:
> >
> > In the GTK file selection window (eg. under Firefox's Ctrl+O
> > hotkey), press "/", as if starting to enter an absoulte pathname. A
> > Location textbox will appear, where you can middle-button-paste and
> > tab-complete.
>
> Hey cool, I was not aware of this.
Yes, I never noticed. I wonder if that is something new.
There it is, in Gimp, too, a little pencil icon.
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Paul Johnson
> I don't have an answer for the OP, but this (top-posted) "response" is
> completely unresponsive, presumptuous, arrogant, unhelpful, dickish,
> and possibly a reason why people who come to this forum for help
> leave, pissed off.
Pot, have you met Kettle yet? If you're going to pull that move, at
least trim off excessive quoting. Or better yet, don't pull that move
to begin with.