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Patrick Bartek

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Apr 27, 2013, 3:20:01 PM4/27/13
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Thanks to all who helped getting my Yahoo Mail account switched over to a standard e-mail client, currently Sylpheed 3.2.0. I've always hated using the web interface.

All that's left to do other than some final tweaking is deciding how to handle those HTML e-mails with all their pretty graphics and pictures I get from friends, clients and suppliers who use Windows. ;-)

Thanks, again.

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Rob Owens

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On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:15:09PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> Thanks to all who helped getting my Yahoo Mail account switched over to a standard e-mail client, currently Sylpheed 3.2.0. I've always hated using the web interface.
>
> All that's left to do other than some final tweaking is deciding how to handle those HTML e-mails with all their pretty graphics and pictures I get from friends, clients and suppliers who use Windows. ;-)
>
I'm not sure about Sylpheed, but here's how it works on Mutt. If I get
an HTML email, I hit 'v' to view attachments. There will be an html
attachment which represents the body of the email. If I select it, the
email will open in a web browser.

-Rob


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Chris Bannister

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On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:15:09PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> Thanks to all who helped getting my Yahoo Mail account switched over to a standard e-mail client, currently Sylpheed 3.2.0. I've always hated using the web interface.
>
> All that's left to do other than some final tweaking is deciding how to handle those HTML e-mails with all their pretty graphics and pictures I get from friends, clients and suppliers who use Windows. ;-)

You'll also want to tweak the line wrap option (I hope) :)

http://sylpheeddoc.sourceforge.net/en/faq/faq-1.html
http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/doc/manual/en/sylpheed-8.html

According to research 72 is a good limit for comprehension, whereas some
people said they could read faster if the lines were set at about 100
characters but then they didn't comprehend it as well as if it was set
at 72 characters.

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Patrick Bartek

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:34:28 +1200, Chris Bannister
<cbann...@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:15:09PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > [snip
> >
> > All that's left to do other than some final tweaking is deciding
> > how to handle those HTML e-mails with all their pretty graphics and
> > pictures I get from friends, clients and suppliers who use
> > Windows. ;-)
>
> You'll also want to tweak the line wrap option (I hope) :)
>
> [snip]
>
> According to research 72 is a good limit for comprehension, whereas
> [snip]

Oops! I had line length set at 72, but hadn't "enabled" word wrap.
Silly me.

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Patrick Bartek

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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:48:55 -0400, Rob Owens <row...@ptd.net> wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:15:09PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > [snip
> >
> > All that's left to do other than some final tweaking is deciding
> > how to handle those HTML e-mails with all their pretty graphics and
> > pictures I get from friends, clients and suppliers who use
> > Windows. ;-)
> >
> I'm not sure about Sylpheed, but here's how it works on Mutt. If I
> get an HTML email, I hit 'v' to view attachments. There will be an
> html attachment which represents the body of the email. If I select
> it, the email will open in a web browser.

I don't know how Sylpheed handles HTML either. I'm still reading the
manual. Since it accepts plugins, I'm hoping it will be handle there,
automagically.

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Frank McCormick

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On 04/27/2013 07:10 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:48:55 -0400, Rob Owens <row...@ptd.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:15:09PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip
>>>
>>> All that's left to do other than some final tweaking is deciding
>>> how to handle those HTML e-mails with all their pretty graphics and
>>> pictures I get from friends, clients and suppliers who use
>>> Windows. ;-)
>>>
>> I'm not sure about Sylpheed, but here's how it works on Mutt. If I
>> get an HTML email, I hit 'v' to view attachments. There will be an
>> html attachment which represents the body of the email. If I select
>> it, the email will open in a web browser.
>
> I don't know how Sylpheed handles HTML either. I'm still reading the
> manual. Since it accepts plugins, I'm hoping it will be handle there,
> automagically.
>
> B
>
>

Sylpheed simply strips all the extraneous codes out and displays
HTML as text. As far as I know there are no plugins which would help
it to display HTML as they are supposed to be rendered. CLAWS which is a
Sylpheed spinoff does have ways to display HTML and is a drop-in
replacement for Sylpheed. I tried it recently but found the
documentation lacking in clarity. I ended up switching to Thunderbird.



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Patrick Bartek

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Yes, it strips the code, shows the plain text, plus, all the image
links. All of it in no particular order. There's got to be a better
option. I'll let the list know, if I find one.

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Siard

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Patrick Bartek:
> Frank McCormick:
> > Sylpheed simply strips all the extraneous codes out and
> > displays HTML as text. As far as I know there are no plugins which
> > would help it to display HTML as they are supposed to be rendered.
> > CLAWS which is a Sylpheed spinoff does have ways to display HTML
> > and is a drop-in replacement for Sylpheed. I tried it recently but
> > found the documentation lacking in clarity. I ended up switching to
> > Thunderbird.
>
> Yes, it strips the code, shows the plain text, plus, all the image
> links. All of it in no particular order. There's got to be a better
> option. I'll let the list know, if I find one.

Wait a minute. In Sylpheed, html messages can be viewed with an external
browser. (Right click > Open...)
This works so well that there has never been a need for an internal
html viewer.
The browser you prefer can be set in Configuration > Common preferences >
Details > tab External commands.
I have 'Web browser' set to opera '%s' .


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Patrick Bartek

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:17:11 +0200
Siard <shie...@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:

> Patrick Bartek:
> > Frank McCormick:
> > > Sylpheed simply strips all the extraneous codes out and
> > > displays HTML as text. As far as I know there are no plugins which
> > > would help it to display HTML as they are supposed to be rendered.
> > > CLAWS which is a Sylpheed spinoff does have ways to display HTML
> > > and is a drop-in replacement for Sylpheed. I tried it recently but
> > > found the documentation lacking in clarity. I ended up switching
> > > to Thunderbird.
> >
> > Yes, it strips the code, shows the plain text, plus, all the image
> > links. All of it in no particular order. There's got to be a better
> > option. I'll let the list know, if I find one.
>
> Wait a minute. In Sylpheed, html messages can be viewed with an
> external browser. (Right click > Open...)

An "Open" option is not available. And I can't find any such option in
any of the menus either.

> This works so well that there has never been a need for an internal
> html viewer.
> The browser you prefer can be set in Configuration > Common
> preferences > Details > tab External commands.
> I have 'Web browser' set to opera '%s' .

I have mine set to google chrome '%s'. I also tried chrome '%s'. No
joy. Of course, I'm configuring as I learn how to use Sylpheed. So,
that could be part of the problem.

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Siard

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Patrick Bartek:
> Siard:
> > Patrick Bartek:
> > > Frank McCormick:
> > > > Sylpheed simply strips all the extraneous codes out and
> > > > displays HTML as text. As far as I know there are no plugins which
> > > > would help it to display HTML as they are supposed to be rendered.
> > > > CLAWS which is a Sylpheed spinoff does have ways to display HTML
> > > > and is a drop-in replacement for Sylpheed. I tried it recently but
> > > > found the documentation lacking in clarity. I ended up switching
> > > > to Thunderbird.
> > >
> > > Yes, it strips the code, shows the plain text, plus, all the image
> > > links. All of it in no particular order. There's got to be a better
> > > option. I'll let the list know, if I find one.
> >
> > Wait a minute. In Sylpheed, html messages can be viewed with an
> > external browser. (Right click > Open...)
>
> An "Open" option is not available. And I can't find any such option in
> any of the menus either.

Click the 'attachment list view' button that appears in every message
containing html. I'll show it here, it's at the right red arrow:
http://home.kpn.nl/shiems/stuff/sylpheed.png
Then right-click the html part (left red arrow) to 'Open' or 'Open with...'

> > This works so well that there has never been a need for an internal
> > html viewer.
> > The browser you prefer can be set in Configuration > Common
> > preferences > Details > tab External commands.
> > I have 'Web browser' set to opera '%s' .
>
> I have mine set to google chrome '%s'. I also tried chrome '%s'. No
> joy. Of course, I'm configuring as I learn how to use Sylpheed. So,
> that could be part of the problem.

Check whether you can open chrome + url from the command line like this:
$ chrome www.google.com
If this works, then chrome '%s' should work with the 'Open' menu option
mentioned above.


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Lisi Reisz

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On Sunday 28 April 2013 18:36:06 Siard wrote:
> Check whether you can open chrome + url from the command line like this:
> $ chrome www.google.com
> If this works, then  chrome '%s'  should work with the 'Open' menu option
> mentioned above.

I type <google-chrome> (without the < and >) in the launcher to get Crome
opened.

Lisi


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Patrick Bartek

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:36:06 +0200, Siard <shie...@kpnplanet.nl>
wrote:

> Patrick Bartek:
> > Siard:
> >[snip]
> > >
> > > Wait a minute. In Sylpheed, html messages can be viewed with an
> > > external browser. (Right click > Open...)
> >
> > An "Open" option is not available. And I can't find any such
> > option in any of the menus either.
>
> Click the 'attachment list view' button that appears in every message
> containing html. I'll show it here, it's at the right red arrow:
> http://home.kpn.nl/shiems/stuff/sylpheed.png
> Then right-click the html part (left red arrow) to 'Open' or 'Open
> with...'

Okay, found it.

> > [snip]
> > I have mine set to google chrome '%s'. I also tried chrome '%s'.
> > No joy. Of course, I'm configuring as I learn how to use
> > Sylpheed. So, that could be part of the problem.
>
> Check whether you can open chrome + url from the command line like
> this: $ chrome www.google.com
> If this works, then chrome '%s' should work with the 'Open' menu
> option mentioned above.

google-chrome '%s' works. Don't forget the hyphen.

I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself, instead
of me having to switch to a different workspace where google-chrome is
running all the time. Would Thunderbird or similar do that? I've
never used it, so I don't know.

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Frank McCormick

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That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to
Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. A second reason was I
found Sylpheed's IMAP-handling a little flakey. YMMV.




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Siard

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Patrick Bartek wrote:
> google-chrome '%s' works. Don't forget the hyphen.
>
> I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself, instead
> of me having to switch to a different workspace where google-chrome is
> running all the time.

Instead of google-chrome, you could try midori, and close it after viewing.
It's a fast, light-weight browser that I find well suited for this purpose.


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Darac Marjal

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On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 06:41:31PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:36:06 +0200, Siard <shie...@kpnplanet.nl>
> wrote:
>
[cut]
>
> google-chrome '%s' works. Don't forget the hyphen.
>
> I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself, instead
> of me having to switch to a different workspace where google-chrome is
> running all the time. Would Thunderbird or similar do that? I've
> never used it, so I don't know.

You might try switching to Claws-Mail, then. It's a fork of Sylpheed
which offers extra features, one of which is the "Fancy" plugin. Enable
that and you can view HTML messages directly in the viewer pane.

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Siard

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Lisi Reisz:
> Siard:
> > Check whether you can open chrome + url from the command line like
> > this: $ chrome www.google.com
> > If this works, then  chrome '%s'  should work with the 'Open' menu
> > option mentioned above.
>
> I type <google-chrome> (without the < and >) in the launcher to get
> Crome opened.

Yes, as you can see, I don't have Chrome installed myself... ;-)


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Patrick Bartek

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Sylpheed accepts plugins, too. To what extent I don't know.
Haven't gotten that far in the manual. Since Claws is a fork, maybe,
they are similar.

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Patrick Bartek

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:41:50 -0400
Frank McCormick <debia...@videotron.ca> wrote:

> On 04/28/2013 09:41 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

> > [snip]
> > I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
> > instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
> > google-chrome is running all the time. Would Thunderbird or
> > similar do that? I've never used it, so I don't know.
>
>
> That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to
> Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. A second reason was I
> found Sylpheed's IMAP-handling a little flakey. YMMV.

Flakey in what way? So far, I haven't noted anything unusual with
Sylpheed.

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Brad Rogers

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:07:01 -0700
Patrick Bartek <bart...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Patrick,

>Sylpheed accepts plugins, too. To what extent I don't know.
>Haven't gotten that far in the manual. Since Claws is a fork, maybe,
>they are similar.

Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was the
ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new release of
the Sylpheed original. It shouldn't be difficult to migrate.

From what I see at their respective web sites, CM has more plugins
available for it that Sylpheed has.

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On 04/29/2013 10:10 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:41:50 -0400
> Frank McCormick <debia...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 04/28/2013 09:41 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
>>> [snip]
>>> I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
>>> instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
>>> google-chrome is running all the time. Would Thunderbird or
>>> similar do that? I've never used it, so I don't know.
>>
>>
>> That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to
>> Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. A second reason was I
>> found Sylpheed's IMAP-handling a little flakey. YMMV.
>
> Flakey in what way? So far, I haven't noted anything unusual with
> Sylpheed.

As I recall (it's been a year or two since I switched) Sylpheed was
timing out on one or two IMAP connections...waiting for the 60 sec
timeout, then rebuilding the IMAP connection, at which point everything
would be fine...until the next time when it would timeout again..etc
etc. I spent a lot of time configuring and reconfiguring, Googline the
problem etc. Thundebird never seems to have the problem.

As far as plugins, CLAWS is the definite winner. Sylpheed has very
few (if any).

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Siard

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Brad Rogers:
> Patrick Bartek:
> > Sylpheed accepts plugins, too. To what extent I don't know.
> > Haven't gotten that far in the manual. Since Claws is a fork,
> > maybe, they are similar.
>
> Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was the
> ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new release of
> the Sylpheed original. It shouldn't be difficult to migrate.
>
> From what I see at their respective web sites, CM has more plugins
> available for it that Sylpheed has.

Using Sylpheed, I once tried Claws. For messages marked with a color
in Sylpheed, the colors got lost. It had a couple of extra bells and
whistles I didn't need and that I found just irritating. But that
horrible logo just about put the lid on it. It was a picture of a
bird's claw. Then I realized: I'm not of their kind. Back to Sylpheed!


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Brad Rogers

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:41:17 +0200
Siard <shie...@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:

Hello Siard,

>Using Sylpheed, I once tried Claws. For messages marked with a color
>in Sylpheed, the colors got lost. It had a couple of extra bells and

IDK why that happened. I never used colouring in Sylpheed, so can't
even hazard guess for the reason.

>whistles I didn't need and that I found just irritating. But that
>horrible logo just about put the lid on it. It was a picture of a
>bird's claw. Then I realized: I'm not of their kind. Back to Sylpheed!

Each to their own, of course. I don't care about logos, etc. If the
program does what I want, then it's fine by me.

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Brad Rogers:
> Siard:
> > But that horrible logo just about put the lid on it. It was a
> > picture of a bird's claw. Then I realized: I'm not of their kind.
> > Back to Sylpheed!
>
> Each to their own, of course. I don't care about logos, etc. If the
> program does what I want, then it's fine by me.

AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
manufacturers/developers.

- Siard (male, 62)


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John Hasler

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Siard writes:
> AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
> aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
> the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
> manufacturers/developers.

That has not been my experience.
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Patrick Bartek

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:21:54 +0100
Brad Rogers <br...@fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:07:01 -0700
> Patrick Bartek <bart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Patrick,
>
> >Sylpheed accepts plugins, too. To what extent I don't know.
> >Haven't gotten that far in the manual. Since Claws is a fork, maybe,
> >they are similar.
>
> Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was the
> ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new release of
> the Sylpheed original. It shouldn't be difficult to migrate.

I installed Claws-Mail and only the "Fancy" plugin. It works, sort
of: Format HTML correctly, but doesn't show images. Config problem?
Don't know. Yet.

> From what I see at their respective web sites, CM has more plugins
> available for it that Sylpheed has.

Sylpheed only has one plugin. And it wasn't what I needed. CM plugin
don't show up in Sylpheed, but I haven't really tried finding out why
or even if they are compatible.

Gotta finish reading the f'ing manuals first. ;-)

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Patrick Bartek

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:08:16 -0400
Frank McCormick <debia...@videotron.ca> wrote:

> On 04/29/2013 10:10 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:41:50 -0400
> > Frank McCormick <debia...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 04/28/2013 09:41 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> >>> [snip]
> >>> I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
> >>> instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
> >>> google-chrome is running all the time. Would Thunderbird or
> >>> similar do that? I've never used it, so I don't know.
> >>
> >>
> >> That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to
> >> Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. A second reason
> >> was I found Sylpheed's IMAP-handling a little flakey. YMMV.
> >
> > Flakey in what way? So far, I haven't noted anything unusual with
> > Sylpheed.
>
> As I recall (it's been a year or two since I switched) Sylpheed
> was timing out on one or two IMAP connections...waiting for the 60
> sec timeout, then rebuilding the IMAP connection, at which point
> everything would be fine...until the next time when it would timeout
> again..etc etc. I spent a lot of time configuring and reconfiguring,
> Googline the problem etc. Thundebird never seems to have the problem.

Haven't noted any "time outs" here. Maybe, it was bug that's been
fixed since last used it or the time out has been turned off by
default. Don't know. But I'll keep an eye out.

> As far as plugins, CLAWS is the definite winner. Sylpheed has very
> few (if any).

Sylpheed only has one, as far as I can find.

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Alan Ianson

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:47:01 -0700
Patrick Bartek <bart...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:21:54 +0100
> Brad Rogers <br...@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:07:01 -0700
> > Patrick Bartek <bart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Patrick,
> >
> > >Sylpheed accepts plugins, too. To what extent I don't know.
> > >Haven't gotten that far in the manual. Since Claws is a fork,
> > >maybe, they are similar.
> >
> > Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was
> > the ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new
> > release of the Sylpheed original. It shouldn't be difficult to
> > migrate.
>
> I installed Claws-Mail and only the "Fancy" plugin. It works, sort
> of: Format HTML correctly, but doesn't show images. Config problem?
> Don't know. Yet.

I think so. I also use claws mail with the fancy plugin and it displays
images fine here. As I recall I spent quite a while in the config till
I got happy with everything though.. :)

I also use the tray icon plugin so I can minimize claws to the system
tray and see when new mail arrives.


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Patrick Bartek

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:36:25 -0700,Alan Ianson <agia...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:47:01 -0700
> Patrick Bartek <bart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:21:54 +0100
> > Brad Rogers <br...@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:07:01 -0700
> > > Patrick Bartek <bart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Patrick,
> > >
> > > >Sylpheed accepts plugins, too. To what extent I don't know.
> > > >Haven't gotten that far in the manual. Since Claws is a fork,
> > > >maybe, they are similar.
> > >
> > > Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was
> > > the ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new
> > > release of the Sylpheed original. It shouldn't be difficult to
> > > migrate.
> >
> > I installed Claws-Mail and only the "Fancy" plugin. It works, sort
> > of: Format HTML correctly, but doesn't show images. Config
> > problem? Don't know. Yet.
>
> I think so. I also use claws mail with the fancy plugin and it
> displays images fine here. As I recall I spent quite a while in the
> config till I got happy with everything though.. :)

It was a config setting. Images were set NOT to show. Changed it.
Also, "ticks" for turning on javascript, java, etc. Not touching those
until I read the manual. Don't know exactly how they will work in the
reader.

> I also use the tray icon plugin so I can minimize claws to the system
> tray and see when new mail arrives.

I don't have either Claws or Slypheed set to check for mail
automatically. I do it manually 2 or 3 times a day. Prefer it that way.

Thanks for the info.

B


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Brad Rogers

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:36:53 +0200
Siard <shie...@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:

Hello Siard,

>AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
>aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
>the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
>manufacturers/developers.

Whilst I agree that the manufacturer's/developer's (etc.) philosophy
starts to get more important as one gets older (I'm 52 myself), if the
technical aspects don't fit my requirements the project would still be a
non starter. For me.

Like I said; Each to their own.

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Brad Rogers

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:47:01 -0700
Patrick Bartek <bart...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Patrick,

>I installed Claws-Mail and only the "Fancy" plugin. It works, sort
>of: Format HTML correctly, but doesn't show images. Config problem?
>Don't know. Yet.

Yes. Even if the "Load images" option is set to yes, there are times
when they still won't get displayed unless you also set "enable remote
content". If you don't want to do that on a permanent basis (via the
Fancy plugin configuration menu item), it can be done on a per mail
basis by clicking on the tools icon at the bottom of the display area
and selecting "enable remote content" there.

>Sylpheed only has one plugin. And it wasn't what I needed. CM plugin
>don't show up in Sylpheed, but I haven't really tried finding out why
>or even if they are compatible.

Since the divergence (some years ago now), I have no idea whether the
plugin i/f's are compatible.

>Gotta finish reading the f'ing manuals first. ;-)

"Manuals? We don't need no stinkin' manuals!" :-)

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Siard

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John Hasler writes:
> Siard writes:
> > AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
> > aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
> > the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
> > manufacturers/developers.
>
> That has not been my experience.

Some people mature very slowly... :-)) Perhaps it's yet to come ;-)

I used SuSE for a long time. But when its owner, Novell, went to
collaborate with a company that is not known for its noble intentions,
I could not live with that and switched to Debian. That is a clear
example of a non-technical criterion.


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Hugo Vanwoerkom

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John Hasler wrote:
> Siard writes:
>> AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
>> aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
>> the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
>> manufacturers/developers.
>
> That has not been my experience.

mine neither

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Brad Rogers

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On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500
Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw5...@care2.com> wrote:

Hello Hugo,

>mine neither

Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 06:14:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500
> Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw5...@care2.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Hugo,
>
> >mine neither
>
> Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
> developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
> stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?

I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.

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Anthony Campbell

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On 01 May 2013, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 06:14:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom
> > <hvw5...@care2.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Hugo,
> >
> > >mine neither
> >
> > Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
> > developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
> > stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?
>
> I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.
>
Probably not. As I shall be 80 this month, I thought it was time to
start experimenting with FreeBSD. Clearly a technical challenge; as for
morality, I think FreeBSD, like Debian, scores pretty well for that.

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On 5/1/2013 3:27, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 01 May 2013, Chris Bannister wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 06:14:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom
>>> <hvw5...@care2.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Hugo,
>>>
>>>> mine neither
>>>
>>> Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
>>> developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
>>> stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?
>>
>> I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.
>>
> Probably not. As I shall be 80 this month, I thought it was time to
> start experimenting with FreeBSD. Clearly a technical challenge; as for
> morality, I think FreeBSD, like Debian, scores pretty well for that.
>
> AC`kkk
>

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Brad Rogers

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Chris Bannister <cbann...@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:

Hello Chris,

>I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.

Ah, I see.

Obviously, I'm not as wise as I am old. :-)

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On 01 May 2013, staticsafe wrote:
> On 5/1/2013 3:27, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> >
>
> If you need any help, feel free to subscribe to freebsd-questions[0].
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> [0] - http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
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Yes, thanks - already done that. I'm enjoying my exploration of FreeBSD.

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T o n g

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:41:50 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:

>> I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself, instead
>> of me having to switch to a different workspace where google-chrome is
>> running all the time. Would Thunderbird or similar do that? I've
>> never used it, so I don't know.
>
> That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to
> Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. . .

Just stumbled upon this --
check out the "only email client you'll ever need"

geary
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geary-a-beautiful-modern-open-source-
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Patrick Bartek

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On Sat, 04 May 2013, T o n g wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:41:50 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
>
> >> I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
> >> instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
> >> google-chrome is running all the time. Would Thunderbird or
> >> similar do that? I've never used it, so I don't know.
> >
> > That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to
> > Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. . .
>
> Just stumbled upon this --
> check out the "only email client you'll ever need"
>
> geary
> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geary-a-beautiful-modern-open-source-
> email-client

Unfortunately, it's designed specifically for the GNOME desktop.
Nothing really wrong with that, I guess. I ran GNOME for years until
3.0 came out. Then switched to a window manager only GUI for more
efficiency, speed and less bloat on this aging machine of mine.

Guess we'll have to wait and see how it develops.

B


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