adventures with window managers
Adam Hardy
manager, and I found a 'window manager' submenu.
This allows me to change from blackbox to metacity or afterwm or several
others, but enlightenment, sawfish and uwm wont run, giving an error
like this:
X-window does not contain the SHAPE library
This isn't exactly what it said, since it was
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Adam Hardy
> I just put a .xinitrc file in my $HOME with 'blackbox' as the window
> manager, and I found a 'window manager' submenu.
>
> This allows me to change from blackbox to metacity or afterwm or several
> others, but enlightenment, sawfish and uwm wont run, giving an error
> like this:
>
> X-window does not contain the SHAPE library
>
> This isn't exactly what it said, since it was
Sorry, that was pretty dumb. Clicked Send by mistake. The exact message was:
UWM: Your X-Server doesn't support the SHAPES extension ..... terminating
I can't find any reference to SHAPES extension in synaptic. Where does
it reside?
Adam Hardy
> UWM: Your X-Server doesn't support the SHAPES extension ..... terminating
>
> I can't find any reference to SHAPES extension in synaptic. Where does
> it reside?
Just realised you probably don't install SHAPES, rather upgrade
something to a version that does implement it, right?
Saw in the archives an answer to a similar question that I should do
"load "extmod"" in my XF86Config Module section.
Can't find any extmod in my kernel config. Any advice?
Almut Behrens
> Adam Hardy on 11/09/05 23:00, wrote:
>
> >UWM: Your X-Server doesn't support the SHAPES extension ..... terminating
> >
> >I can't find any reference to SHAPES extension in synaptic. Where does
> >it reside?
>
> Just realised you probably don't install SHAPES, rather upgrade
> something to a version that does implement it, right?
>
> Saw in the archives an answer to a similar question that I should do
> "load "extmod"" in my XF86Config Module section.
That's correct. Just make sure you have this in your XF86Config:
Section "Module"
Load "extmod"
...
...
EndSection
>
> Can't find any extmod in my kernel config. Any advice?
It has nothing to do with the kernel config -- it's an extension to the
X protocol. The respective module/lib implementing the SHAPE extension
(and various others) comes with the X-server
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a
BTW, with "xdpyinfo" you can check which extensions your X-server
supports. See the list following "number of extensions:".
Cheers,
Almut
Rogério Brito
> BTW, with "xdpyinfo" you can check which extensions your X-server
> supports. See the list following "number of extensions:".
Be careful, though, that not all extensions may work. For instance, the
output of xdpyinfo may list the xv extension, even though it is not
implemented (to see if it is, try xvinfo).
Hope this helps, Rogério Brito.
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Adam Hardy
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:47:04PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
>
>>Adam Hardy on 11/09/05 23:00, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>UWM: Your X-Server doesn't support the SHAPES extension ..... terminating
>>>
>>>I can't find any reference to SHAPES extension in synaptic. Where does
>>>it reside?
>
>
> Section "Module"
> Load "extmod"
> ...
> ...
> EndSection
>
I am actually using xorg.conf, but that was exactly the same. Thanks alot.
Adam Hardy
> Almut Behrens on 12/09/05 01:15, wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:47:04PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
>>
>>> Adam Hardy on 11/09/05 23:00, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> UWM: Your X-Server doesn't support the SHAPES extension .....
>>>> terminating
>>>>
>>>> I can't find any reference to SHAPES extension in synaptic. Where
>>>> does it reside?
>>
>>
>> [snip] Just make sure you have this in your XF86Config:
>>
>> Section "Module"
>> Load "extmod"
>> ...
>> ...
>> EndSection
>>
>
> I am actually using xorg.conf, but that was exactly the same. Thanks alot.
Now that I've got rid of the errors, I realise I don't know what window
manager is what.
I'm running selectwm which launches a little dialog box showing a list
of window managers: Gnome, KDE, Enlightenment, Sawfish, Blackbox etc
I'm probably going to go with Enlightenment, but I'm still checking them
all out.
I didn't realise Gnome was a window manager. Yet it runs with sawfish.
Makes me think I should be able to choose Gnome and Enlightenment, but how?
When I choose enlightenment, or blackbox for instance, I don't get any
panels with applets as in Gnome. Is there a way to set them up in
Enlightenment? Or doesn't it do them?
I'm launching x-server from the cmd line with startx and an .xinitrc
containing the selectwm command.
Kai Grossjohann
> I didn't realise Gnome was a window manager. Yet it runs with sawfish.
> Makes me think I should be able to choose Gnome and Enlightenment, but how?
Gnome is not a window manager. Gnome contains many programs, one of
which is a window manager.
There should be a Gnome setting for changing the window manager. So
you could try that. Alas, as I don't use Gnome myself, I don't know
where to find that setting.
Kai
Adam Hardy
> Adam Hardy <adam...@cyberspaceroad.com> writes:
>
>
>>I didn't realise Gnome was a window manager. Yet it runs with sawfish.
>>Makes me think I should be able to choose Gnome and Enlightenment, but how?
>
>
> Gnome is not a window manager. Gnome contains many programs, one of
> which is a window manager.
>
> There should be a Gnome setting for changing the window manager. So
> you could try that. Alas, as I don't use Gnome myself, I don't know
> where to find that setting.
I found a really crap way of changing the window manager in gnome - you
kill the current one, launch the new one you want from the command line
and then save the session (by exiting I think, if I understand the
implication).
I'm using selectwm and there's an auto-generated file ~/.selectwmrc
which specifies the window managers that appear in the menu and the
commands that launch them.
What would be really cool would be some way of hooking up selectwm so
that it could launch any of the window managers in gnome. Or is that
way too much to ask of gnome?
Adam Hardy
>
>
>>I didn't realise Gnome was a window manager. Yet it runs with sawfish.
>>Makes me think I should be able to choose Gnome and Enlightenment, but how?
>
>
> Gnome is not a window manager. Gnome contains many programs, one of
> which is a window manager.
>
> There should be a Gnome setting for changing the window manager. So
> you could try that. Alas, as I don't use Gnome myself, I don't know
> where to find that setting.
interestingly I just found a config file:
~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/%gconf.xml
containing the command for the window manager in gnome. I wonder what
happens if I change that command to selectwm???
Adam Hardy
>
>
>>I didn't realise Gnome was a window manager. Yet it runs with sawfish.
>>Makes me think I should be able to choose Gnome and Enlightenment, but how?
>
>
> Gnome is not a window manager. Gnome contains many programs, one of
> which is a window manager.
>
> There should be a Gnome setting for changing the window manager. So
> you could try that. Alas, as I don't use Gnome myself, I don't know
> where to find that setting.
by changing the window manager command in here
~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/%gconf.xml
I discovered that sawfish, metacity and enlightenment work. Blackbox and
uwm don't (weird effects happen instead though - quite interesting!).
Still to try wmaker and a couple of others.
I haven't found a window manager fulfills all the little quirks that I
want a window manager to perform yet.
This thread is turning into a bit of monologue. Does nobody else have
issues with their window manager? Or even better, solved them?
Adam
Antonio Rodriguez
> This thread is turning into a bit of monologue. Does nobody else have
> issues with their window manager? Or even better, solved them?
Adam, keep talking. It is an interesting monologue.
Angelo Bertolli
>On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 05:39:58PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
>
>
>>This thread is turning into a bit of monologue. Does nobody else have
>>issues with their window manager? Or even better, solved them?
>>
>>
>
> Adam, keep talking. It is an interesting monologue.
>
>
Yes, I'd like to find out a way to keep windows from stealing focus if
at all possible. I tried a couple of window managers with gnome a long
time ago, but had no luck. I think you can change your window manager
with gconf:
desktop -> gnome -> applications -> window_manager
David Purton
> Angelo Bertolli on 13/09/05 19:16, wrote:
> >Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 05:39:58PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>This thread is turning into a bit of monologue. Does nobody else have
> >>>issues with their window manager? Or even better, solved them?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>Adam, keep talking. It is an interesting monologue.
> >>
> >>
> >Yes, I'd like to find out a way to keep windows from stealing focus if
> >at all possible. I tried a couple of window managers with gnome a long
> >time ago, but had no luck.
>
> from different window managers. For instance enlightenment gives focus
> to the window that the mouse is over, but without bringing it forward.
>
Not sure if what you mean, but it really annoys me that in gnome 2.10,
when you open an app then, go back to a different app and keep using it
while waiting for the new one to load, as soon as the new one finishes
loading and displays, it steals the focus - very annoying. I heard a
rumour that this is fixed in 2.12
cheers
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Adam Hardy
>
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 05:39:58PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
>>
>>
>>> This thread is turning into a bit of monologue. Does nobody else have
>>> issues with their window manager? Or even better, solved them?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Adam, keep talking. It is an interesting monologue.
>>
>>
> Yes, I'd like to find out a way to keep windows from stealing focus if
> at all possible. I tried a couple of window managers with gnome a long
> time ago, but had no luck.
What exactly do you mean by stealing focus? I see different behaviour
from different window managers. For instance enlightenment gives focus
to the window that the mouse is over, but without bringing it forward.
> I think you can change your window manager
> with gconf:
>
> desktop -> gnome -> applications -> window_manager
Which menu is that? Or program? I can't see it anywhere in my gnome.
Nguyen Anh Phu
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Adam Hardy wrote:
> Angelo Bertolli on 13/09/05 19:16, wrote:
>
>> Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 05:39:58PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> This thread is turning into a bit of monologue. Does nobody else
>>>> have issues with their window manager? Or even better, solved them?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam, keep talking. It is an interesting monologue.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, I'd like to find out a way to keep windows from stealing focus if
>> at all possible. I tried a couple of window managers with gnome a
>> long time ago, but had no luck.
>
>
> What exactly do you mean by stealing focus? I see different behaviour
> from different window managers. For instance enlightenment gives focus
> to the window that the mouse is over, but without bringing it forward.
>
>
>> I think you can change your window manager with gconf:
>>
>> desktop -> gnome -> applications -> window_manager
>
>
> Which menu is that? Or program? I can't see it anywhere in my gnome.
>
>
You can get it by running gconf-editor command or using Gnome Main menu
- -> Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor.
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Angelo
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:51:59AM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
> > Angelo Bertolli on 13/09/05 19:16, wrote:
> > >Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> > >>On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 05:39:58PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
> > >>>This thread is turning into a bit of monologue. Does nobody else have
> > >>>issues with their window manager? Or even better, solved them?
> > >>
> > >>Adam, keep talking. It is an interesting monologue.
> > >
> > >Yes, I'd like to find out a way to keep windows from stealing focus if
> > >at all possible. I tried a couple of window managers with gnome a long
> > >time ago, but had no luck.
> >
> > What exactly do you mean by stealing focus? I see different behaviour
> > from different window managers. For instance enlightenment gives focus
> > to the window that the mouse is over, but without bringing it forward.
>
> Not sure if what you mean, but it really annoys me that in gnome 2.10,
> when you open an app then, go back to a different app and keep using it
> while waiting for the new one to load, as soon as the new one finishes
> loading and displays, it steals the focus - very annoying. I heard a
> rumour that this is fixed in 2.12
Yes, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Long-loading programs like
Mozilla and OpenOffice.org are annoying this way. I thought the fault was
with Metacity though.
Kai Grossjohann
> I discovered that sawfish, metacity and enlightenment work. Blackbox and
> uwm don't (weird effects happen instead though - quite interesting!).
>
> Still to try wmaker and a couple of others.
>
> I haven't found a window manager fulfills all the little quirks that I
> want a window manager to perform yet.
I've also tried many window managers. Which little quirks do you
want?
I find that little things can really make a big difference.
Kai
Kai Grossjohann
> Yes, I'd like to find out a way to keep windows from stealing focus
> if at all possible.
A number of window managers have a "focus new windows" option. It may
work to turn that off. I don't know whether your wm has such an
option, though.
Kai
Adam Hardy
Happens with enlightenment as well. You're right, it is annoying, but it
only happens once a day or so, for me at least. There is a bug report on
it but it seems to be filed against epiphany:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151943
Adam Hardy
> Adam Hardy <adam...@cyberspaceroad.com> writes:
>>I discovered that sawfish, metacity and enlightenment work. Blackbox and
>>uwm don't (weird effects happen instead though - quite interesting!).
>>
>>Still to try wmaker and a couple of others.
>>
>>I haven't found a window manager fulfills all the little quirks that I
>>want a window manager to perform yet.
>
> I've also tried many window managers. Which little quirks do you
> want?
>
> I find that little things can really make a big difference.
When I use ALT-Tab to cycle thro all open apps, I would like to see all
apps in a list or a row with the current selected app highlighted. I saw
one window manager doing it just how I like it but don't remember which
one now.
I would like to have focus when I click on any part of a window, not
just the title bar. It's taking a while to get used to enlightenment,
since I can use the mouse to select text in a window without actually
selecting the window, and then when I press delete, it deletes something
in the other window, not the text. Sounds weird, and it is!
I'd also like to have a key combination that will call up the gnome
log-out dialog. Used to be ALT+F1 in metacity in my original
installation but I've lost it since.
I also want to restrict the desktop to just one instance, I don't use
this feature. I keep finding mis-clicks with the mouse or a fumble on
the keyboard (does happen!) throws me into another desktop.
The list would go on but I don't want to bore you,
Adam
Simo Kauppi
My two cents to the window manager monologue... :)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:17:42AM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
> Kai Grossjohann on 14/09/05 09:16, wrote:
> >Adam Hardy <adam...@cyberspaceroad.com> writes:
> >>I discovered that sawfish, metacity and enlightenment work. Blackbox and
> >>uwm don't (weird effects happen instead though - quite interesting!).
> >>
> >>Still to try wmaker and a couple of others.
> >>
> >>I haven't found a window manager fulfills all the little quirks that I
> >>want a window manager to perform yet.
> >
> >I've also tried many window managers. Which little quirks do you
> >want?
> >
> >I find that little things can really make a big difference.
>
> When I use ALT-Tab to cycle thro all open apps, I would like to see all
> apps in a list or a row with the current selected app highlighted. I saw
> one window manager doing it just how I like it but don't remember which
> one now.
I'm using enlightenment and while there is no 'list' with Alt-Tab, it
still goes through all the apps and raises them with focus each in turn
with Alt-Tab.
There is also a list of the applications with middle-click to the
Dragbar, but the Dragbar might be under the apps if there are a lot of
apps open in the desktop.
> I would like to have focus when I click on any part of a window, not
> just the title bar. It's taking a while to get used to enlightenment,
> since I can use the mouse to select text in a window without actually
> selecting the window, and then when I press delete, it deletes something
> in the other window, not the text. Sounds weird, and it is!
This sounds very weird. I have set the 'Focus follows the mouse' so
whenever I click a window it gets the focus and I know which window I'm
working with.
Also somebody pointed out the annoying 'focus stealing' when opening
e.g. firefox and working with another application while waiting the
firefox to open. In enlightenment I have unchecked the 'All new windows
first get the focus' and now I can work with another application while
firefox opens without firefox stealing the focus :)
> I'd also like to have a key combination that will call up the gnome
> log-out dialog. Used to be ALT+F1 in metacity in my original
> installation but I've lost it since.
In enlightenment Ctrl-Alt-Del brings the logout-dialog. Note: it is
different from Ctrl-Alt-Backspace which probably kills the xsession. It
is a bit weird because I have ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown in my inittab,
but I guess enlightenment keybindings overwrite it. It can probably be
changed but I haven't bothered because it works.
> I also want to restrict the desktop to just one instance, I don't use
> this feature. I keep finding mis-clicks with the mouse or a fumble on
> the keyboard (does happen!) throws me into another desktop.
I'm not sure if this is what you mean but in enlightenment the Virtual
desktop settings and Multiple desktop settings can be set to just one
desktop.
> The list would go on but I don't want to bore you,
>
> Adam
Simo
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Kai Grossjohann
> When I use ALT-Tab to cycle thro all open apps, I would like to see all
> apps in a list or a row with the current selected app highlighted. I saw
> one window manager doing it just how I like it but don't remember which
> one now.
WindowMaker does this, I think. Then, sawfish can do it with an extra
module. Lessee... Perhaps merlin-ugliness is the package in question.
> I would like to have focus when I click on any part of a window, not
> just the title bar.
This is the behavior for many window managers. I think all of the
ones that do click to focus allow this. (For twm and derivatives, it
might be difficult to do.)
Some window managers have a setting that allows you to choose whether
or not the application should receive the click that gives focus. I
have configured sawfish such that a button 1 click is passed through,
but a button 3 click is swallowed. This means if I have a window
where clicking somewhere might do something I don't want, then I click
mouse 3 and the window gets focus without receiving any click event.
> I'd also like to have a key combination that will call up the gnome
> log-out dialog. Used to be ALT+F1 in metacity in my original
> installation but I've lost it since.
I think that's a Gnome configuration. I'd search in the Gnome
keyboard configuration dialogs.
> I also want to restrict the desktop to just one instance, I don't use
> this feature. I keep finding mis-clicks with the mouse or a fumble on
> the keyboard (does happen!) throws me into another desktop.
This is probably also a Gnome setting.
Are you using Gnome? I think you said that you were using Gnome
together with some non-default window manager. In that case, some
settings might be controlled by Gnome, rather than the window
manager. When in doubt, search for the same setting in the Gnome
configuration thingy and also in the window manager configuration and
try changing it in both places to see what happens.
Kai
Adam Hardy
> Adam Hardy <adam...@cyberspaceroad.com> writes:
>
>
>>When I use ALT-Tab to cycle thro all open apps, I would like to see all
>>apps in a list or a row with the current selected app highlighted. I saw
>>one window manager doing it just how I like it but don't remember which
>>one now.
>
>
> WindowMaker does this, I think. Then, sawfish can do it with an extra
> module. Lessee... Perhaps merlin-ugliness is the package in question.
Thanks Simo, Kai.
Just made my desktop environment 100 times better.
That last problem above is the sticking point - I'll check out the docs
and the mailing list for enlightenment to see if I can find a way of
changing it. If not, I'll defect over to sawfish or wmaker.
There's another niggle I've got but it's trivial - underneath my top
panel from gnome, is the panel from enlightenment and the only advantage
I can see for it is that as Simo said you can middle click it and get
the list of open apps. Is there anything else you can do with it? I
can't stick applets on it so it looks pretty vestigial.
Adam
Cybe R. Wizard
Adam Hardy <adam...@cyberspaceroad.com> wrote:
> When I use ALT-Tab to cycle thro all open apps, I would like to see
> all apps in a list or a row with the current selected app highlighted.
> I saw one window manager doing it just how I like it but don't
> remember which one now.
IceWM
>
> I would like to have focus when I click on any part of a window, not
> just the title bar. It's taking a while to get used to enlightenment,
> since I can use the mouse to select text in a window without actually
> selecting the window, and then when I press delete, it deletes
> something in the other window, not the text. Sounds weird, and it is!
IceWM
>
> I'd also like to have a key combination that will call up the gnome
> log-out dialog. Used to be ALT+F1 in metacity in my original
> installation but I've lost it since.
Maybe I misunderstand. Log off the 'net?
Pon/poff work very well. So does the "net" button on
GKrellM. Otherwise there is gRun:
"gRun is especially useful if you do not use the
GNOME desktop which has a built-in run command, and
if you use a window-manager (e.g. IceWM) where you can
define a keyboard shortcut (e.g. Alt-F2) for starting
gRun."
Otherwise, if you mean to log off of the computer, click, click in the
menu or just <ctrl><alt><backspace>
>
> I also want to restrict the desktop to just one instance, I don't use
> this feature. I keep finding mis-clicks with the mouse or a fumble on
> the keyboard (does happen!) throws me into another desktop.]
IceWM can do that. (but multiple desktops are /so/ cool!)
>
> The list would go on but I don't want to bore you,
>
> Adam
>
I think you'd be happy with IceWM as it is configurable to do most of
what you want so far. In addition you'll need Iceconf or Icepref for
configuration.
Cybe R. Wizard
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Simo Kauppi
> Kai Grossjohann on 14/09/05 13:01, wrote:
> >Adam Hardy <adam...@cyberspaceroad.com> writes:
> >
> >
> >>When I use ALT-Tab to cycle thro all open apps, I would like to see all
> >>apps in a list or a row with the current selected app highlighted. I saw
> >>one window manager doing it just how I like it but don't remember which
> >>one now.
> >
> >
> >WindowMaker does this, I think. Then, sawfish can do it with an extra
> >module. Lessee... Perhaps merlin-ugliness is the package in question.
>
> Thanks Simo, Kai.
>
> Just made my desktop environment 100 times better.
>
> That last problem above is the sticking point - I'll check out the docs
> and the mailing list for enlightenment to see if I can find a way of
> changing it. If not, I'll defect over to sawfish or wmaker.
>
> There's another niggle I've got but it's trivial - underneath my top
> panel from gnome, is the panel from enlightenment and the only advantage
> I can see for it is that as Simo said you can middle click it and get
> the list of open apps. Is there anything else you can do with it? I
> can't stick applets on it so it looks pretty vestigial.
>
> Adam
The only thing (that I know) the enlightenment panel is meant for, is
dragging the desktop to show a desktop below the active one. So that's
useful when using multiple desktops. Other than that it has that
application list, but you get the apps list also by Alt-Middle-Clicking
the desktop, so you can safely remove the panel from Special FX
Settings... 'Display desktop dragbar'.
Simo
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Simo Kauppi
> Hi,
>
> My two cents to the window manager monologue... :)
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:17:42AM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
> > When I use ALT-Tab to cycle thro all open apps, I would like to see all
> > apps in a list or a row with the current selected app highlighted. I saw
> > one window manager doing it just how I like it but don't remember which
> > one now.
>
> I'm using enlightenment and while there is no 'list' with Alt-Tab, it
> still goes through all the apps and raises them with focus each in turn
> with Alt-Tab.
>
> There is also a list of the applications with middle-click to the
> Dragbar, but the Dragbar might be under the apps if there are a lot of
> apps open in the desktop.
>
> > log-out dialog. Used to be ALT+F1 in metacity in my original
> > installation but I've lost it since.
>
> In enlightenment Ctrl-Alt-Del brings the logout-dialog. Note: it is
> different from Ctrl-Alt-Backspace which probably kills the xsession. It
> is a bit weird because I have ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown in my inittab,
> but I guess enlightenment keybindings overwrite it. It can probably be
> changed but I haven't bothered because it works.
Following myself...
The keybindings for enlightenment seem to be quite easy to change. I
just copied the /usr/share/enlightenment/config/keybindings.cfg to
~/.enlightenment/keybindings.cfg and edit it.
E.g. to make the logout-dialog come up with Alt-F1, find the
__KEY F1
__EVENT __KEY_PRESS
__MODIFIER_KEY __ALT
__ACTION __A_GOTO_DESK 0
and change the action line to
__ACTION __A_EXIT logout
This works especially if you don't use multiple desktops, as the Alt-F1
is normally used to switch to desktop 0.
Of course you can modify the Ctrl-Alt-Del keybinding or create your own
binding e.g. for Ctrl-F1
__NEXT_ACTION
__KEY F1
__EVENT __KEY_PRESS
__MODIFIER_KEY __CTRL
__ACTION __A_EXIT logout
And you can make the Alt-Tab to bring up the task list
__KEY Tab
__MODIFIER_KEY __ALT
__EVENT __KEY_PRESS
__ACTION __A_FOCUS_NEXT
by changing the action line to
__ACTION __A_SHOW_MENU "taskmenu"
And so on...
Simo
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Adam Hardy
> IceWM can do that. (but multiple desktops are /so/ cool!)
>
> what you want so far. In addition you'll need Iceconf or Icepref for
> configuration.
Thanks for those tips. Got most of it configured at least in enlightenment.
So I just tried icewm.
I came unstuck pretty quickly. Firstly it didn't really like gnome and
took about 3 mins to start up instead of 5 secs. I think it has
something to do with the gnome-session although it's difficult to tell.
Some other window managers have the same problem.
Once icewm was running, I tried configuring it.
I didn't get a list of fonts to choose from. Shouldn't there be a
drop-down font list in iceconf?
I'm not sure about the icewm panel. It looked like it had a fixed set of
applets, and there are a few more I like, such as the keyboard locale
chooser, program launchers, volume control etc which icewm doesn't
appear to have.
The program switcher panel which comes up when pressing alt-tab is good,
but I know there's an even better one out there where they are listed
vertically. Can this be changed for another program-switcher module in
icewm?
Adam Hardy
> what you want so far. In addition you'll need Iceconf or Icepref for
> configuration.
one major plus point for icewm - it starts all programs with a window
the same size as the available desktop. That's just what I like.
Enlightenment brings them up with a size = 1/4 desktop area.
Paul Scott
> Cybe R. Wizard on 14/09/05 13:38, wrote:
>
>> I think you'd be happy with IceWM as it is configurable to do most of
>> what you want so far. In addition you'll need Iceconf or Icepref for
>> configuration.
>
>
> one major plus point for icewm - it starts all programs with a window
> the same size as the available desktop.
It might be an option but it has never done that for me by default.
Paul Scott
Adam Hardy
> [can change the window manager in gnome] by changing the window manager
>
> ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/%gconf.xml
>
> I discovered that sawfish, metacity and enlightenment work. Blackbox and
> uwm don't (weird effects happen instead though - quite interesting!).
>
> Still to try wmaker and a couple of others.
The problem with gnome is that it stalls on startup for about 3 to 5
mins with certain window managers: wmaker, uwm, blackbox, icewm
but for others (enlightenment, metacity, lwm) it's not a problem.
I think it lies with either gnome-proxy or gnome-session, I'm not sure
how to find out. Any clues anyone?
Jochen Schulz
>
> The problem with gnome is that it stalls on startup for about 3 to 5
> mins with certain window managers: wmaker, uwm, blackbox, icewm
I don't use Gnome but I tried it with IceWM and it didn't stall back
then.
> I think it lies with either gnome-proxy or gnome-session, I'm not sure
> how to find out. Any clues anyone?
No, sorry. But I've read that the current (unstable) version of the
default gnome login scripts don't start gnome-proxy anymore because it
takes so much time to start. Don't know if anyone actually needs it.
J.
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