> PS: by the way, would anyone know of a way to use chroot or something
> similar to allow any user to have any number of virtual environments
> that use apt-get to install stuff and fall-back to the system if
> something is not installed in the virtualenv ?

On Tue, 02 Oct 2012, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Hi Yaroslav,
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:40:58AM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> > To not be too ambitious and to not invest too much time I have decided to
> > submit only a talk.  Here follows a perspective title, abstract and some
> > notes/outline which will not be a part of submission.  I would really
> > appreciate (and of cause would acknowledge in the slides) any feedback, ideas,
> > comments, etc.
> I suggest you would also try to describe the differences between The
> Complete Python Distribution On Debian and the others ways there are
> to install Python packages.
> When I say "I do not need all this easy_install, pip, virtualenv,
> distribute/packaging, buildout, /etc/ for I have Debian!", I am
> usually told:
> - but we have to work on Windows
> - but we are not root on the computer we are using and can't run apt-get
> - but I want a newer version of X than the one included in Debian
> - but I am not doing deployment/production and for development I need the
>   latest versions of these modules because this component I rely on
>   says so
> - I am preparing things for production, so I need everything to be
>   reproducible independently of the underlying system
> - etc.
> I think being prepared to answer these questions and maybe address
> some of these issues directly in your slides would help make clear
> what Debian is a good solution for.
> Possible answers are:
> - windows: if it hurts, stop doing it and install virtualbox :p
> - not root: try a virtual machine (or maybe a variant of chroot?)
> - newer: are you ready to handle all the compatibility/dependency
>   problems on your own ?
> - dev: packaging python modules is easier than getting a full
>   distribution to work right, take a look at the
>   GSoC project that packages PyPI/*, your new-and-shiny stuff is
>   probably there
> - prod: you want a chroot or a virtual machine.
> - etc.
> Hope this helps,
> PS: by the way, would anyone know of a way to use chroot or something
> similar to allow any user to have any number of virtual environments
> that use apt-get to install stuff and fall-back to the system if
> something is not installed in the virtualenv ?