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[Debian Perl Group Policy] Proposal for the debian/copyright handling: Should follow copyright-format 1.0

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Salvatore Bonaccorso

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Jul 5, 2012, 3:00:02 PM7/5/12
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Hi

One of the open tasks[1] is to document the use of copyright-format
1.0 in our group policy. Attached is a first proposed version which we
can vote on to have it added to the policy.

Suggestions? Improvements? Changes? Discussion needed? :-)

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup/OpenTasks

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Salvatore
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intrigeri

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Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote (05 Jul 2012 18:55:07 GMT) :
> +=head1 debian/copyright handling
> +
> +Each package should have the copyright file F<debian/copyright> following the
> +copyright-format 1.0 as documented in
> +L<http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/> and which
> +was released together with Debian Policy 3.9.3.

Shall we add "... or newer", in order to allow ourselves to start
using a potential future 1.1 or 2.0 copyright format before we manage
to change our policy?

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Salvatore Bonaccorso

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On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 10:15:01PM +0200, intrigeri wrote:
> Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote (05 Jul 2012 18:55:07 GMT) :
> > +=head1 debian/copyright handling
> > +
> > +Each package should have the copyright file F<debian/copyright> following the
> > +copyright-format 1.0 as documented in
> > +L<http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/> and which
> > +was released together with Debian Policy 3.9.3.
>
> Shall we add "... or newer", in order to allow ourselves to start
> using a potential future 1.1 or 2.0 copyright format before we manage
> to change our policy?

How about:

----cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut-----
=head1 debian/copyright handling

Each package should have the copyright file F<debian/copyright> following the
copyright-format 1.0 or newer. copyright-format 1.0 as released together with
Debian policy 3.9.3 is documented at
L<http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/>.

Respectively copyright-format X.Y can be found under
L<http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/X.Y/>.
----cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut-----

?

Regards,
Salvatore
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intrigeri

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Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote (05 Jul 2012 20:50:33 GMT) :
> How about:

Fine with me :)


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gregor herrmann

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Jul 5, 2012, 5:40:01 PM7/5/12
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 22:50:33 +0200, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:

> > > +Each package should have the copyright file F<debian/copyright> following the
> > > +copyright-format 1.0 as documented in
> > > +L<http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/> and which
> > > +was released together with Debian Policy 3.9.3.
> > Shall we add "... or newer", in order to allow ourselves to start
> > using a potential future 1.1 or 2.0 copyright format before we manage
> > to change our policy?

Or "the current version of Copyright-Format"?
Too bad there is either no unversioned URL or I don't find it. I'm
sure it was discussed ...
(If someone reminds me we could ask taffit later.)

> ----cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut-----
> =head1 debian/copyright handling
>
> Each package should have the copyright file F<debian/copyright> following the
> copyright-format 1.0 or newer. copyright-format 1.0 as released together with
> Debian policy 3.9.3 is documented at
> L<http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/>.
>
> Respectively copyright-format X.Y can be found under
> L<http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/X.Y/>.
> ----cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut-----
>
> ?

Sounds fine if there is no generic URL.
Or the ugly directory listing at
http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/

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gregor herrmann

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Jul 6, 2012, 1:30:03 PM7/6/12
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:31:39 -0600, gregor herrmann wrote:

> Too bad there is either no unversioned URL or I don't find it. I'm
> sure it was discussed ...
> (If someone reminds me we could ask taffit later.)

Salvatore and me alked to Taffit later.
The state is that there is no generic URL, because there didn't seem
to be a good solution both technically and "logically".
He said we cold ask for a symlink latest->1.0 or similar through the
policy and www teams, but I don't think it's worth the hassle.

So I'm fine with either ...

> > ----cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut-----
> > =head1 debian/copyright handling
> >
> > Each package should have the copyright file F<debian/copyright> following the
> > copyright-format 1.0 or newer. copyright-format 1.0 as released together with
> > Debian policy 3.9.3 is documented at
> > L<http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/>.
> >
> > Respectively copyright-format X.Y can be found under
> > L<http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/X.Y/>.
> > ----cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut---------cut-----


... or ...
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Salvatore Bonaccorso

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Jul 6, 2012, 2:00:03 PM7/6/12
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Hi

Thanks for all feedback and suggestions.

On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 10:40:20AM -0600, gregor herrmann wrote:
> ... or ...
>
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/

Okay, attached is the updated proposed patch to policy.pod.

Regards,
Salvatore
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gregor herrmann wrote (06 Jul 2012 16:40:20 GMT) :
> He said we cold ask for a symlink latest->1.0 or similar through the
> policy and www teams, but I don't think it's worth the hassle.

> So I'm fine with either ...

The benefit for us would be small IMHO,
so if it had been easy for them, that would have been worth it,
but given it seems like it's not easy at all,
I suggest we forget about it -- they probably have, on their plate,
stuff that would be more useful for the project as a whole.


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Charles Plessy

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Le Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 08:05:42PM +0200, intrigeri a �crit :
> gregor herrmann wrote (06 Jul 2012 16:40:20 GMT) :
> > He said we cold ask for a symlink latest->1.0 or similar through the
> > policy and www teams, but I don't think it's worth the hassle.
>
> > So I'm fine with either ...
>
> The benefit for us would be small IMHO,
> so if it had been easy for them, that would have been worth it,
> but given it seems like it's not easy at all,
> I suggest we forget about it -- they probably have, on their plate,
> stuff that would be more useful for the project as a whole.

Hello everybody,

http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/ is a valid URL,
but would not be a valid value for the Format field. I think that the best
place for an unversionned URL that points at the specification without being
mistaken for a Format URL would be an entry in http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals.

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Salvatore Bonaccorso

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Jul 8, 2012, 11:50:01 PM7/8/12
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Hi Charles

On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 03:58:19PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 08:05:42PM +0200, intrigeri a écrit :
> > gregor herrmann wrote (06 Jul 2012 16:40:20 GMT) :
> > > He said we cold ask for a symlink latest->1.0 or similar through the
> > > policy and www teams, but I don't think it's worth the hassle.
> >
> > > So I'm fine with either ...
> >
> > The benefit for us would be small IMHO,
> > so if it had been easy for them, that would have been worth it,
> > but given it seems like it's not easy at all,
> > I suggest we forget about it -- they probably have, on their plate,
> > stuff that would be more useful for the project as a whole.
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/ is a valid URL,
> but would not be a valid value for the Format field. I think that the best
> place for an unversionned URL that points at the specification without being
> mistaken for a Format URL would be an entry in http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals.

We (Gregor and I) talked during DebCamp with David Prévot if there is
a easy way from www team to have a URL pointing to the latest
copyright-format released. What we want to say is simply that in the
Debian Perl Group every package *should* follow latest released
copyright-format.

Regards,
Salvatore
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Charles Plessy

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Le Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 05:42:23AM +0200, Salvatore Bonaccorso a écrit :
>
> We (Gregor and I) talked during DebCamp with David Prévot if there is
> a easy way from www team to have a URL pointing to the latest
> copyright-format released. What we want to say is simply that in the
> Debian Perl Group every package *should* follow latest released
> copyright-format.

Hi Salvatore.

How about http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-copyrightformat ?

Since the Policy and the specification for the machine-readable format are
released in the same binary package, it is very likely that this URL will
always lead to the latest version of the specification.

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Salvatore Bonaccorso

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Hi Charles, hi all

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 01:57:57AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 05:42:23AM +0200, Salvatore Bonaccorso a écrit :
> >
> > We (Gregor and I) talked during DebCamp with David Prévot if there is
> > a easy way from www team to have a URL pointing to the latest
> > copyright-format released. What we want to say is simply that in the
> > Debian Perl Group every package *should* follow latest released
> > copyright-format.
>
> Hi Salvatore.
>
> How about http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-copyrightformat ?
>
> Since the Policy and the specification for the machine-readable format are
> released in the same binary package, it is very likely that this URL will
> always lead to the latest version of the specification.

Okay, sorry I did not came back to this earlier. How about attached
change for the policy?

Regards,
Salvatore
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gregor herrmann

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On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:07:04 +0200, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:

> > How about http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-copyrightformat ?
> >
> > Since the Policy and the specification for the machine-readable format are
> > released in the same binary package, it is very likely that this URL will
> > always lead to the latest version of the specification.
>
> Okay, sorry I did not came back to this earlier. How about attached
> change for the policy?

Fine with me; thanks for following up on this question!


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Salvatore Bonaccorso

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Hi Gregor

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 10:49:54PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:07:04 +0200, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:
>
> > > How about http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-copyrightformat ?
> > >
> > > Since the Policy and the specification for the machine-readable format are
> > > released in the same binary package, it is very likely that this URL will
> > > always lead to the latest version of the specification.
> >
> > Okay, sorry I did not came back to this earlier. How about attached
> > change for the policy?
>
> Fine with me; thanks for following up on this question!

Thanks for your feedback and opinion. I would say, if there are no
objections within 1 week I will commit the new wording for this?

Regards,
Salvatore
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Salvatore Bonaccorso

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Hi
I have merged now the small change[1].

[1]: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-perl/website.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cb0eb3896c09f39a10d809123a9f6f1ad0d09a2

Regards,
Salvatore
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gregor herrmann

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:25:47 +0200, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:

> > > > > How about http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-copyrightformat ?

> I have merged now the small change[1].
> [1]: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-perl/website.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cb0eb3896c09f39a10d809123a9f6f1ad0d09a2

Thanks!


Cheers,
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