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Thorsten Glaser

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Dixi quod…

>When trying to upgrade KDE from sid to experimental
>(by means of installing the metapackages kde-full
>kde-plasma-desktop kdepim)

Turns out I have to install virtuoso-minimal (for the
first time) and also “install” akonadi-backend-postgresql
(so that all akonadi packages get upgraded).

I was trying to install KDE and KDEPIM 4.10 from experimental,
or rather, to figure out the apt-get magic involved, i.e.
which packages I need to list on the command line to get
them all covered.

Maybe kdepim should Depends virtuoso-minimal and either
depend on akonadi 1.9 or break akonadi < 1.9 ?

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Sune Vuorela

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On 2013-04-15, Thorsten Glaser <t...@mirbsd.de> wrote:
> Maybe kdepim should Depends virtuoso-minimal and either
> depend on akonadi 1.9 or break akonadi < 1.9 ?

At least something related to akonadi has already been committed to the
git packaging repository. There is likely a few other rough ends here
and there. Is virtuoso-minimal a hard requirement for kdepim?

/Sune


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Thorsten Glaser

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Sune Vuorela <nospam <at> vuorela.dk> writes:

> At least something related to akonadi has already been committed to the
> git packaging repository. There is likely a few other rough ends here
> and there. Is virtuoso-minimal a hard requirement for kdepim?

Okay. I’m running into some issues too, kmail 2 is apparently a very
different beast… but yes, it doesn’t start at all without virtuoso,
something about requiring the soprano virtuoso plugin (or the other
way round, don’t remember precisely).

It also turns out that I had to list every single package (and remove
kdemultimedia) to get everything upgraded to 4.10 (then use apt-mark
markauto to get them back to “automatically installed” state), so I
may or may not have some issues due to having a mixed system for a
while (did upgrade now, but some stuff’s not in yet).

I wonder if, at this point, it’d be useful to throw away the kontact
configuration and make a new one. On the other hand, kolabwizard does
not seem to be available any more, and I don’t know the equivalent
akonadi magic. I had funny issues, such as two default outgoing mail
servers (really!)… I kept the old config around at first because it
worked better with the from-kde3-upgraded one than a fresh install of
wheezy on another system used to work…

But in general, this is pretty smooth. Better than people say Debian’s
KDE packaging is (I’ve no idea why they say so, see Tanglu). Thanks!

bye,
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Sune Vuorela

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On 2013-04-15, Thorsten Glaser <t...@mirbsd.de> wrote:
> Okay. I’m running into some issues too, kmail 2 is apparently a very
> different beast… but yes, it doesn’t start at all without virtuoso,
> something about requiring the soprano virtuoso plugin (or the other
> way round, don’t remember precisely).

Ok. then we better consider adding that somewhere.

> It also turns out that I had to list every single package (and remove
> kdemultimedia) to get everything upgraded to 4.10 (then use apt-mark
> markauto to get them back to “automatically installed” state), so I
> may or may not have some issues due to having a mixed system for a
> while (did upgrade now, but some stuff’s not in yet).

look for versions of 4.8.4 packages on your system. I think we are
planning to soon update some of the metapackages to be helpful,
including getting kdegames and kdemultimedia metapackages back.

> I wonder if, at this point, it’d be useful to throw away the kontact
> configuration and make a new one. On the other hand, kolabwizard does
> not seem to be available any more, and I don’t know the equivalent
> akonadi magic. I had funny issues, such as two default outgoing mail
> servers (really!)… I kept the old config around at first because it
> worked better with the from-kde3-upgraded one than a fresh install of
> wheezy on another system used to work…

the kolab stuff has mostly been moved out to a separate set of libraries
that aren't yet in debian (we are working towards it though).

/Sune


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Diederik de Haas

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On Monday 15 April 2013 16:25:28 Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> It also turns out that I had to list every single package (and remove
> kdemultimedia) to get everything upgraded to 4.10

The best trick I found thus far is:
aptitude full-upgrade '?tag(suite::kde)' -t experimental
and then take aptitude's 2nd suggestion.
You need the 'debtags' package for that command to work though.

Note however that my system is currently a rather weird mix of (kde-) packages
though, with some from testing/sid, some from experimental-snapshots and quite a
few from experimental. (So I don't expect anyone to fix it but me)

But the upgrade procedure is now rather tricky none the less, unlike the upgrade
to the package from experimental-snapshots, since that repo only contains
packages from kde, so "aptitude -t experimental-snapshots full-upgrade" works
rather nicely. But when you replace experimental-snapshots with experimental,
it'll 'upgrade' every package which is available in experimental, probably not
what you'd want.

So, I'm rather interested in ways ppl have managed to upgrade to KDE 4.10.

Cheers,
Diederik


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Diane Trout

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On Monday, April 15, 2013 13:18:14 Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2013-04-15, Thorsten Glaser <t...@mirbsd.de> wrote:
> > Maybe kdepim should Depends virtuoso-minimal and either
> > depend on akonadi 1.9 or break akonadi < 1.9 ?
>
> At least something related to akonadi has already been committed to the
> git packaging repository. There is likely a few other rough ends here
> and there. Is virtuoso-minimal a hard requirement for kdepim?
>

My understanding is that kmail2 needs nepomuk and akonadi to work, and its
Nepomuk that has a hard dependency on virtuoso. Akonadi is incompatible with
virtuoso and needs its own seperate dbm to work.

I think there was some wizard like capabilities built into kmail for
configuring mail.

Also I sometimes found akonadiconsole useful in trying to visualize the stack
of modules working to pull in PIM & mail data.

diane


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Sune Vuorela

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On 2013-04-15, Diane Trout <di...@ghic.org> wrote:
> My understanding is that kmail2 needs nepomuk and akonadi to work, and its
> Nepomuk that has a hard dependency on virtuoso. Akonadi is incompatible with

kmail2 needs nepomuk to work in all regards, like searching for emails
and distribution lists and some bits of address completion.
but it shouldn't be a hard runtime requirement to have virtuoso
available.

My suggestion for some of you who seems to have gotteng the system to
work after installing virtuoso, what happens if you disable nepomuk in
systemsettings afterwards? Does mail stop appearing?

/Sune


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Edward J. Shornock

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* Diederik de Haas <didi....@cknow.org> [15-04-2013 19:19 EEST]:
>
[..snip..]
> So, I'm rather interested in ways ppl have managed to upgrade to KDE 4.10.

My way (suggested by Modestas Vainius a few years ago at
<http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2009/07/msg00087.html>):

aptitude -t experimental install '~V4:4.10.2 ~i'


His explanation:

Install (i.e. upgrade in this case, because lower versions are already
installed) packages, which have string 4:4.10.2 in their version number
(~V4:4.10.2) AND are already installed (~i), from the experimental
target release (-t experimental). Check aptitude manual "Search Term
Reference".


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Modestas Vainius

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Hello,

On 2013 m. of April 15 d., Monday 17:25:28 Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> But in general, this is pretty smooth. Better than people say Debian’s
> KDE packaging is (I’ve no idea why they say so, see Tanglu). Thanks!

And what do they say?


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Diederik de Haas

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On Monday 15 April 2013 20:26:53 Edward J. Shornock wrote:
> My way (suggested by Modestas Vainius a few years ago at
> <http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2009/07/msg00087.html>):
>
> aptitude -t experimental install '~V4:4.10.2 ~i'

That's rather awesome, thanks!

> His explanation:
>
> Check aptitude manual "Search Term Reference".

I am familiar with that, but have never used the ~V parameter (yet) and/or
understood how it could be used, until now.
So thanks again (and Modestas) :-)


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Kevin Krammer

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On Monday, 2013-04-15, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2013-04-15, Diane Trout <di...@ghic.org> wrote:
> > My understanding is that kmail2 needs nepomuk and akonadi to work, and
> > its Nepomuk that has a hard dependency on virtuoso. Akonadi is
> > incompatible with
>
> kmail2 needs nepomuk to work in all regards, like searching for emails
> and distribution lists and some bits of address completion.
> but it shouldn't be a hard runtime requirement to have virtuoso
> available.
>
> My suggestion for some of you who seems to have gotteng the system to
> work after installing virtuoso, what happens if you disable nepomuk in
> systemsettings afterwards? Does mail stop appearing?

The mail access itself shouldn't be affected, that is all just between Akonadi
server and its clients (e.g. KMail).
The Nepomuk integration is used for features that are basically based on
queries, e.g. mail search, recipient completion, resolving of contact groups
(distribution lists), etc.

Regarding their respective backend engines, it is less a question of
compatibility, i.e. virtuoso can theoretically be used as an SQL engine, it is
just that any test so far has resulted in the finding that the SQL facilities
of virtuoso combined with the generic QSql driver for ODBC do not provide the
requirements for Akonadi (yet?).

Cheers,
Kevin
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Diane Trout

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> My suggestion for some of you who seems to have gotteng the system to
> work after installing virtuoso, what happens if you disable nepomuk in
> systemsettings afterwards? Does mail stop appearing?

Mail still appeared though I couldn't use the search box to filter my mail.
Using recent addresses still worked with the feeder offline.

To do the test, I used akonadiconsole to take the akonadi nepomuk feeder
component offline.

Akonadi hung at "indexing recent changes" after I did the test.

Diane


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Martin Steigerwald

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On Monday 15 April 2013 18:16:58 Diederik de Haas wrote:
> On Monday 15 April 2013 16:25:28 Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> > It also turns out that I had to list every single package (and remove
> > kdemultimedia) to get everything upgraded to 4.10
>
> The best trick I found thus far is:
> aptitude full-upgrade '?tag(suite::kde)' -t experimental
> and then take aptitude's 2nd suggestion.
> You need the 'debtags' package for that command to work though.
>
> Note however that my system is currently a rather weird mix of (kde-)
> packages though, with some from testing/sid, some from
> experimental-snapshots and quite a few from experimental. (So I don't
> expect anyone to fix it but me)
>
> But the upgrade procedure is now rather tricky none the less, unlike the
> upgrade to the package from experimental-snapshots, since that repo only
> contains packages from kde, so "aptitude -t experimental-snapshots
> full-upgrade" works rather nicely. But when you replace
> experimental-snapshots with experimental, it'll 'upgrade' every package
> which is available in experimental, probably not what you'd want.
>
> So, I'm rather interested in ways ppl have managed to upgrade to KDE 4.10.

I have another one to add. Tough I think your aptitude mantra is more
elegant.

I found I didn´t have all of KDE 4.10 yet and I managed to upgrade by

apt-get install -t experimental $( apt-cache depends kdeedu | awk '{ print$4
}' )

the same for kdegraphics, kdegames, kdemultimedia, kdeutils, kdetoys.

I am sure there is a more efficient way with aptitude until meta packages are
upgraded.

I found meta packages to upgrade by dpkg -l | grep 4.8.4 | grep -v lib and
apt-cache rdepends some package the former listed.

Reason for this: Much KDE stuff was still 4.8.4 which is in unstable, partly
maybe due to KDE SC 4.9.x from experimental-snapshots wasn´t complete, at
least not initially as I installed it. And apt-get dist-upgrade didn´t
upgrade automatically from unstable to experimental, just from experimental-
snapshots to experimental due to my pinning setup, and I do not really feel
like apt-get -t experimental dist-upgrade :) (that would be a reason for
qt-kde.debian.net :).


kdesdk fails:

merkaba:~> LANG=C apt-get install -t experimental $( apt-cache depends
kdesdk | awk '{ print$4 }' )
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
cervisia is already the newest version.
kapptemplate is already the newest version.
kcachegrind is already the newest version.
kdesdk-dolphin-plugins is already the newest version.
kdesdk-kio-plugins is already the newest version.
kdesdk-misc is already the newest version.
kdesdk-scripts is already the newest version.
kdesdk-strigi-plugins is already the newest version.
kmtrace is already the newest version.
kompare is already the newest version.
kpartloader is already the newest version.
kuiviewer is already the newest version.
lokalize is already the newest version.
okteta is already the newest version.
poxml is already the newest version.
umbrello is already the newest version.
kate is already the newest version.
kate set to manually installed.
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
kdesvn-kio-plugins : Conflicts: kdesdk-kio-plugins (>= 4:4.0.0) but
4:4.8.4+dfsg-1 is to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.


merkaba:~> rmadison kdesdk-kio-plugins | cut -c1-70
kdesdk-kio-plugins | 4:4.4.5-1 | squeeze | amd64, armel, i386, i
kdesdk-kio-plugins | 4:4.8.4+dfsg-1 | wheezy | amd64, armel, armhf,
kdesdk-kio-plugins | 4:4.8.4+dfsg-1 | sid | amd64, armel, armhf,

amd64 here.

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Thorsten Glaser

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Diederik de Haas dixit:

>You need the 'debtags' package for that command to work though.

And aptitude, which is among the first things I purge…

>So, I'm rather interested in ways ppl have managed to upgrade to KDE 4.10.

Well, what I did was first to install the metapackages, then
run dpkg-query -W | fgrep 4:4.8 | while read a b; do echo $a; done >x
then apt-get --purge install -t experimental $(<x)
then apt-mark markauto $(<x)
which mostly worked, pending other metapackages.

I’ll probably need to pull in the one or other new package,
like the printer config (I’ve *not* yet figured out how to
actually start it; that being said, I run IceWM on the work
desktop and only kontact (as we use Kolab) and Konqueror
(because it’s about 10 times as fast as M*zilla crap)).

Diane Trout dixit:

>To do the test, I used akonadiconsole to take the akonadi nepomuk feeder
>component offline.

I seem to recall a recent upload that disabled that component
anyway. In my current setup (still waiting for the groupware
components, but mail and xkcd feeds work) the feeder component
is disabled, and stuff still works.

My system also says that Nepomuk is “not operational”, but
installing virtuoso-minimal made the message that “the Soprano
Virtuoso plugin is required” (or the virtuoso soprano plugin,
don’t remember), which prevented kontact from starting at all,
go away.

bye,
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Aribert Biel

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On Tuesday 16 April 2013 12:59:13 Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>.....
>
> I seem to recall a recent upload that disabled that component
> anyway. In my current setup (still waiting for the groupware
> components, but mail and xkcd feeds work) the feeder component
> is disabled, and stuff still works.
>
> My system also says that Nepomuk is “not operational”, but
> installing virtuoso-minimal made the message that “the Soprano
> Virtuoso plugin is required” (or the virtuoso soprano plugin,
> don’t remember), which prevented kontact from starting at all,
> go away.
>
> bye,
> //mirabilos
Hello all,

I upgraded from wheezy / qt-experimental kde 4.9.5 to kde4.10 from
experimental by selecting the kde packages by hand in synaptic.

After that I installed kdepim 4.10 from ubuntu - raring. kmail was working
flawlessly with 3 imap accounts, contacts were delivered via akonadi resource
carddav and calendar data via akonadi resource caldav.

When the new experimental kdepim 4:4.10.2-1 packages were out, i upgraded to
the experimental packages. Every thing seems to work (mails, contacts,
calendar) EXCEPT SEARCHING (S) IN KMAIL which used to work in the ubuntu
version before the upgrade. I even could do searches for from Adresses only
entering the user name before the '@' sign which was not possible in kmail
4.9.5 (kdepim 4.9.5 from ubuntu quantal with qt-experimental).

So upstream searching in kmail IS working.

The Error message when trying a search is

"Can not get search result. Unable to create persistent search"

nepomuk is running, virtual tag folders in dolphin are working. I am sure that
there are no traces of libs or programs from ubuntu left.

What can I test?

Thank you for your attention.

ari

Diane Trout

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Try running akonadiconsole and looking at the

On the agents tab make sure there's an Akonadi Nepomuk Feeder, that its
online and says something about indexing completed.

I find that it sometimes disables itself.

Diane
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Aribert Biel

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On Tuesday 16 April 2013 14:44:52 Diane Trout wrote:
> Try running akonadiconsole and looking at the
>
> On the agents tab make sure there's an Akonadi Nepomuk Feeder, that its
> online and says something about indexing completed.
>
> I find that it sometimes disables itself.
> > The Error message when trying a search is
> >
> > "Can not get search result. Unable to create persistent search"
> >
>

Hello Diane,
thank you for your reply. The Akonadi Nepomuk Feeder was diabled indeed as
well as the Mail Filter Agent. I both enabled in akonadiconsole and the feeder
showed "Indexing completed". Unfortunately when trying a search in kmail I get
the same error message "Can not get search result. Unable to create persistent
search".

If I restart kde the feeder will try to connect to nepomuk and after a while
says "nepomuk server not running", what definitely is wrong because searching
in dolphin or krunner is working even for mails (but the search results doesnt
show by far all mails). If I start the feeder manually in akonadi console it
will start and say "Indexing completed"

What I should mention is that Mail Address Completion in Mail Composer only
works for recent mail addresses. An LDAP search is initiated (as I can see in
the logs of davmail) but the results are not presented in kmail.

When I do a Akonadi Server Test in akonadikonsole under Menu Server->Configure
->Test there is an Error message:

Current Akonadi Server error log found which contains mostly lines of the
form:

"Error during executing query "INSERT INTO CollectionPimItemRelation
(Collection_id, PimItem_id) VALUES (:0, :1)" : "Duplicate entry '73-2914' for
key 'PRIMARY' QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement"



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Aribert Biel

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I don't know if this is relevant.

I downgraded kdepim 4:4.10.2-1 from experimental back to kdepim
4:4.10.2-0ubuntu3 from ubuntu raring.

Great disappointment: the searching in kmail didn't work either: Same error
message: ""Can not get search result. Unable to
create persistent search".

BUT: I noticed the Language package kde-l10-de was still from experimental and
lacked the translations for kmail to german, So kmail menues were in English.

So I downgraded also the language pack to the version from ubuntu containing
the German translations for kmail. And after a restart of kontact/kmail THE
SEARCH SUDDENLY WORKED!

I don't know if nepomuk considers LOCALE and COLLATION in its database, but
maybe this is a hint

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Sune Vuorela

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On 2013-04-17, Aribert Biel <bie...@ludwig-geissler-schule.de> wrote:
> I downgraded kdepim 4:4.10.2-1 from experimental back to kdepim
> 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu3 from ubuntu raring.

Sorry, you just voided your warranty. Do *not* mix debian and ubuntu
packages.

/Sune


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Martin Steigerwald

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Am Mittwoch, 17. April 2013 schrieb Sune Vuorela:
> On 2013-04-17, Aribert Biel <bie...@ludwig-geissler-schule.de> wrote:
> > I downgraded kdepim 4:4.10.2-1 from experimental back to kdepim
> > 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu3 from ubuntu raring.
>
> Sorry, you just voided your warranty. Do not mix debian and ubuntu
> packages.

While I agree about the package mixing, I think it would still be
interesting to see if searching in KMail does work with translation being
available :)

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Diane Trout

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> BUT: I noticed the Language package kde-l10-de was still from experimental

> and lacked the translations for kmail to german, So kmail menues were in

> English.

>

> So I downgraded also the language pack to the version from ubuntu

> containing the German translations for kmail. And after a restart of

> kontact/kmail THE SEARCH SUDDENLY WORKED!

>

> I don't know if nepomuk considers LOCALE and COLLATION in its database, but

> maybe this is a hint

 

 

I was also going to suggest checking to make sure that email indexing was turned on.

 

There's a check box in system settings -> desktop search -> basic settings called "Email Indexing"

 

Though its good to know that the kmail l10n stuff is probably in the upstream l10n package.

 

Diane

 

 

Thorsten Glaser

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On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Sune Vuorela wrote:

> the kolab stuff has mostly been moved out to a separate set of libraries
> that aren't yet in debian (we are working towards it though).

Do you have any progress status on that?

Thanks,
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Diane Trout

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On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 14:17:01 Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> > the kolab stuff has mostly been moved out to a separate set of libraries
> > that aren't yet in debian (we are working towards it though).
>
> Do you have any progress status on that?

Last I saw a few days ago was the Kolab developer was working on a cross-
platform build bug.

http://packages.qa.debian.org/libk/libkolabxml.html


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