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Newsgroups: linux.debian.devel
From: Andres Salomon <dilin...@voxel.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:50:07 +0100
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2003 1:50 am
Subject: Debian Enterprise?
Over the past week, my boss and I have had discussions about the niche
left by RedHat, and the possibility of working on a distribution/sub-project aimed at enterprise folks. The plan is to target those RedHat users and companies who are unwilling (or unable) to pay for RedHat Enterprise Linux, but need HA features. Our company falls into this category, but made the RedHat->Debian switch earlier on. Currently, we're forced to maintain our own kernels, compile apache/php * a kernel that supports things like IPVS (Linux Virtual Server), UML (the I can think of a few ways to offer the above. The first is a standalone Another way would be to have a debian sub-project; this would have a If folks are at all interested in this sort of thing, please let me know. Suggestions are most welcome. -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Newsgroups: linux.debian.devel
From: Joerg Wendland <joergl...@debian.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:10:31 +0100
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2003 4:10 am
Subject: Re: Debian Enterprise?
Hi Andres, *, Andres Salomon, on 2003-11-17, 01:45, you wrote: Joerg --
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Newsgroups: linux.debian.devel
From: Andreas Tille <til...@rki.de>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:40:13 +0100
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2003 4:40 am
Subject: Re: Debian Enterprise?
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Andres Salomon wrote: I would strongly recommend this. The keyword ist "Customized Debian > Another way would be to have a debian sub-project; this would have a > kernel that includes extra (enterprise) features Distribution". Recently I gave a talk at LinuxDays Luxemburg (a slight update from my talk at DebConf Oslo). I wished I would find the time to write a complete article about the slides which are available at: http://people.debian.org/~tille/debian-med/talks/200311_lux_cust/inde... > Suggestions are most welcome. Feel free to ask about details if something is not clear about the slides or any other things are missing. IMHO a debian-enterprise is very much missing and would be a great enhancement. Kind regards Andreas. -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Newsgroups: linux.debian.devel
From: Zenaan Harkness <z...@aaroncommercial.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:40:17 +0100
Local: Tues, Nov 18 2003 6:40 am
Subject: Re: Debian Enterprise?
On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 20:33, Andreas Tille wrote: Thorough agreement. I believe a debian-enterprise sub-project would > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Andres Salomon wrote: > > Suggestions are most welcome. > Feel free to ask about details if something is not clear about the slides > or any other things are missing. IMHO a debian-enterprise is very much > missing and would be a great enhancement. serve very well to gather support from various companies that utilize Debian. At the software company I used to work at we had various "local" packages, mostly site-specific, but as manager I would have readily given approval to make all applicable work available to debian(-enterprise subproject). Having a focal point is a great thing. Wishlists, mailing lists, Also, definitely debian-enterprise, not debian-user subproject. Plenty of user stuff already (-multimedia, -jr, -med, etc). Perhaps, for anyone wondering whether separate or sub project is Is there enough concensus to start a list - anyone with the resource I will join the list as soon as it's available. Bruce Perens mentioned in an interview recently (not so recent I cheers -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Newsgroups: linux.debian.devel
From: Andreas Tille <til...@rki.de>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:50:16 +0100
Local: Tues, Nov 18 2003 7:50 am
Subject: Re: Debian Enterprise?
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Zenaan Harkness wrote: apt-get install subproject-howto > Is there enough concensus to start a list - anyone with the resource > access and experience to create a webpage for the subproject? > I will join the list as soon as it's available. > Bruce Perens mentioned in an interview recently (not so recent I I had several talks about Custom Debian Distributions and I'm mentioning > can remember the link though sorry) that he feels the time is > ripe for just such a sub project. My feeling was that there are > potentially some large corporates who would back such a move > (HP?, SUN? - I don't know, but we can guess). this from the first one ... Kind regards Andreas. -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Newsgroups: linux.debian.devel
From: Matt Zimmerman <m...@debian.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:10:45 +0100
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2003 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: Debian Enterprise?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:45:05AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: If the sub-project approach would mean that the new packages and > I can think of a few ways to offer the above. The first is a standalone > distribution, based on debian but with various enhancements (not a novel > idea, by any means). We could either base this on testing, doing snapshot > releases every 3-6 months, and offering security fixes, or > on stable w/ various backports. We would probably > have a stripped-down installer based on d-i, w/ the stock kernel being > similar to redhat's kernel. > Another way would be to have a debian sub-project; this would have a enhancements would be folded into Debian, then I think that is definitely preferable. I do not think that basing it on testing is the best approach; in my experience, enterprises prefer a longer (stable) release cycle than testing's daily churn. -- -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Newsgroups: linux.debian.devel
From: Andres Salomon <dilin...@voxel.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:30:34 +0100
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2003 1:30 pm
Subject: Re: Debian Enterprise?
Normally I'd agree; however, one of the issues I'm trying to resolve is
the need for numerous backports. However, I do believe the subproject/kernel is a good start. I would prefer to see it based around testing snapshots, not necessarily testing itself. -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Newsgroups: linux.debian.devel
From: Zenaan Harkness <z...@aaroncommercial.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:40:31 +0100
Local: Tues, Nov 18 2003 6:40 am
Subject: Re: Debian Enterprise?
On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 05:17, Andres Salomon wrote: Is it possible to create task or meta packages that depend on specific > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:51:43 -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > If the sub-project approach would mean that the new packages and > > enhancements would be folded into Debian, then I think that is definitely > > preferable. I do not think that basing it on testing is the best approach; > > in my experience, enterprises prefer a longer (stable) release cycle than > > testing's daily churn. > Normally I'd agree; however, one of the issues I'm trying to resolve is versions - eg. a bunch of versions as at a specific "snapshot" date of "testing"?? ta -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Newsgroups: linux.debian.devel
From: Tim Dijkstra <t...@famdijkstra.org>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:40:16 +0100
Local: Tues, Nov 18 2003 7:40 am
Subject: Re: Debian Enterprise?
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:10:07 +1100
I think that will give problems. If this package gets into testing then the packages which it depends on can't get any new versions into testing. If it's not in testing there's no guaranty that it's dependencies will be in the archive (precisely because new versions of package get into testing). grtjs Tim -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Newsgroups: linux.debian.devel
From: Turbo Fredriksson <tu...@debian.org>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:50:32 +0100
Local: Thurs, Nov 20 2003 3:50 am
Subject: Debian IS for the enterprise (Was: Debian Enterprise?)
Or it was once up on a time...
When I started with Debian GNU/Linux in '95 (became developer about a year It was _stable_ (that was the main 'feature'). It did not break, and upgrade So the discussion on 'forking' the project to a separate distribution to With this I mean that _DEBIAN_ should benefit on (and provide) all of this. It have been discussed before, I know, but I still find this a problem. So anyone talking about 'forks' and 'sub-projects' etc could take all that And removing all that crap (I call it crap because that's what I think it is!) The idea to make packages (slowly) migrate from unstable to testing and then -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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