Bug#482915: texlive-doc-en: No license info for some fontinst documentation
Frank Küster
Subject: Re: [Fontinst] License of the fontinst documentation
To: Frank Küster <fr...@kuesterei.ch>
CC: font...@tug.org, 345...@bugs.debian.org
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:25:30 +0100
Frank Küster wrote:
>
> But there's also files in the talks subdirectory for which no source is
> currently available. Do you know about the license situation for them,
> or should I try to contact Ulrik or Taco? And, for that matter, I guess
> roadmap.eps has been created with MetaPost - do you happen to have the
> sources available?
I completely forgot I helped with that talk. The documents were
prepared by Ulrik (I do not have sources and am not an author).
Taco
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Frank Küster
Subject: Re: [Fontinst] License of the fontinst documentation
CC: Frank Küster <fr...@kuesterei.ch>, 345...@bugs.debian.org, font...@tug.org
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:53:50 +0100
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Frank Küster wrote:
>
>>
>> But there's also files in the talks subdirectory for which no source is
>> currently available. Do you know about the license situation for them,
>> or should I try to contact Ulrik or Taco? And, for that matter, I guess
>> roadmap.eps has been created with MetaPost - do you happen to have the
>> sources available?
>
>
> I completely forgot I helped with that talk. The documents were
> prepared by Ulrik (I do not have sources and am not an author).
Hi Frank,
I prepared the documents for a presentation at EuroTeX 99 and Taco
assisted with the presentation. Therefore his name was on it as well.
As for licensing, I never bothered to define any specifc license for
the documents. As far as I know, they have been available on CTAN
since fontinst-prerelease-1.914 in November 1999. (I just checked the
CTAN CD 2000, which shows a filedate of Nov 16 1999 for doc/talks.)
As for sources, I may still have them somewhere on my local machine,
but they were never released, partly because the fonts required to
typeset the documents are non-free (Lucida Bright) and partly because
the PDF doucments are the final form intended for consumption.
As for roadmap.eps, the diagram was presumably created by Alan Jeffrey
and has been part of earlier fontinst distributions since 1995.
The orignal source of the EPS may have been created with xfig, since
the archive copy of fontinst-1.504 contains a file roadmap.fig along
with roadmap.eps, which can be found here:
ftp://ftp.tug.org/historic/fonts/utilities/fontinst/fontinst-1.504/doc/
Please let me know, if you need and further statement of clarification
regarding the licensing isseue.
Ulrik Vieth
Frank Küster
> Hi Frank,
>
> I was reading through this last open RC bug in texlive-doc (the
> catalogue is already blacklisted)
>
> On Di, 27 Mai 2008, Frank Küster wrote:
>> >> But there's also files in the talks subdirectory for which no source is
>
> Which talks subdirectory? There is non in TeX Live, or do I miss
> something?
It used to be there in TL2005, but now it seems it is gone. On CTAN, it
is in
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/utilities/fontinst/doc/talks/
Can you take the opportunity to show me how to find out myself why this
is not copied to Master/texmf-dist/doc/fontinst/?
>> ftp://ftp.tug.org/historic/fonts/utilities/fontinst/fontinst-1.504/doc/
>
> Found that, and it is the very same eps, so the source is here.
>
> What should we do now? I guess - honestly - that we will not reach ALan
> Jeffrey about that, we are talking about 1995!!!
>
> I could simply include the roadmap.fig and so it be with it.
I didn't read the fontinst guide, but I guess the content of this
roadmap file is just repeating in graphical form what the doc talks
about, so there isn't any copyrightable creative work in this.
The graphical representation, on the other hand, might be protected by
IP law.
I wouldn't want to judge this.
Regards, Frank
Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
Frank Küster scripsit (02.07.2008 20:45)
> I thought that there is an automatic way of updating texmf trees from
> CTAN? Don't your scripts check whether anything has been uploaded to
> CTAN:/tex-archive/fonts/utilities/fontinst/doc? And if they to, how do
> you exclude the talks directory? And if they do not - there are some
> automatic updates, aren't there - why is this part not covered?
>
Well, nothing is really automatic in the CTAN -> TL process. There are
scripts that make the process semi-automated, namely one checks for CTAN
updates and then another one is manually called to convert the trees from ctan
form to tds form. Perhaps the most interesting script for you is ctan2tds,
which sometimes has messages like "die "skipping, nosell'", thought is is not
really intended to be readable.
However some things are sometimes updated completely manually, for various
reasons, such as last update was long before the current mechanism began, or
it takes more time to write the relevant script that to do it manually, or
whatever. Looks like the talks subdir of fontinst is in this case: if I would
update fontinst now using the scripts, it would no be removed. (By the way,
this is a problem, since it means info has been lost about why this directory
was previously excluded.)
Hope this answers your question: in general as well as this particular case,
there's no way to be sure what is excluded from the ctan -> tl process (or
changed in this process) and why, but in many cases the ctan2tds is your best
chance if you manage to read it.
Manuel.