27th Libertarian Spring Seminar

[Trevor Watkins]

27^th Libertarian Spring Seminar

Hotel Victoria Mews, Grahamstown
8^th November 2012 - 11^th November 2012

You are invited to attend this prestigious seminar, at which some of the finest philosophical minds in South Africa will gather to share opinions, insights and experiences around the subject of liberty.  Accommodation is limited, so be sure to register your place early.

Registration Fee:	R150 per person, payable on registration  (Pay to T Watkins, Nedbank account 1237 912 695, branch 123009)
Accommodation:	Bed and breakfast only, book directly with hotel, details below R350pppn single, R300pppn double sharing
Teas:	included in registration
Lunch and dinner:	own account, restaurant in hotel
Nearest national airport:	Port Elizabeth, 1 hour and 15 min drive away
Enquiries:	Trevor Watkins, 083 4411 721, 042 293 1405, bas...@gmail.com
Notes	1.  There are over 100 B&B and other accommodation establishments in G.Town – including camping and caravan sites. 2. There are several shuttle service companies (starting at R160-00 ) from PE airport to G.Town door-to-door

 

Program:                                            Thursday evening, 8^th November  - Informal gathering in bar

Friday 9th November	Saturday 10th November	Sunday 10th November
9-10 presentation 1	9-10 presentation 7	9-10 presentation 13
10-11 presentation 2	10-11 presentation 8	10-11 presentation 14
11-11.30 Tea	11-11.30 Tea	11-11.30 Tea
11.30-12.30 presentation 3	11.30-12.30 presentation 9	11.30-12.30 4 by 12 minute presentations 15 - 18
12.30-13.30 presentation 4	12.30-13.30 presentation 10	12.30-13.00 Reportbacks
13.30-16.00 Lunch	13.30-16.00 Lunch	13.00-16.00 Lunch
16.00-17.00 presentation 5	16.00-17.00 presentation 11
17.00-18.00 presentation 6	17.00-18.00 presentation 12
19.00 Dinner	19.00 Dinner

If you would like to present a paper at this seminar, please email your name and the title of your proposed topic to bas...@gmail.com. There are 14 one hour presentation slots, consisting of a 10 minute changeover break, strict maximum of 30 minutes presentation, followed by 20 minutes question time. There are 4 twelve minute presentation slots on Sunday morning, consisting of 1 minute changeover, 6 minutes presentation and 5 minutes question time. Presentations will be grouped into themed sessions.

Delegates are required to make their own transport arrangements to Grahamstown. I will publish a list of delegates as soon as practical in case you want to make joint travel arrangements.

Contact details for the hotel, and a list of available rooms, appears on the following page. Please make all accommodation and payment arrangements directly with the hotel.

 

Room 1   : Single room , ¾ bed

Room 2  : Double room , queen bed .

Room 3 : Double room , queen bed .

Room 4A : Double room , queen bed.

Room 4B : Twin room , 2 x ¾ beds .

Room 5  : Double room , queen bed.

Room 6  : Single room , ¾ bed.

Room 7 : Single room , ¾ bed.

Room 8 : Double room , queen bed.

Room 9 : Single room , ¾ bed .

Room 10 : Double room , queen bed + sleeper couch .

Room 11 : Twin room , 2 x ¾ beds.

Room 12 : Twin room , 2 x ¾ beds.

Room 13 : Double room , queen bed + ¾ bed (  big room )

Room 14 : Double room , queen bed .

Room 15 : Family Unit , 4 x ¾ beds and a sleeper couch .

Self Catering Units

The Vic Flat  : Open plan room , a queen bed and ¾ bed .

The Vic Studio : Double room , queen bed .

M1 : Double room , queen bed

M2         : Twin room , 2 x ¾ beds .

 

Don Tupiri

8 New St 
Grahamstown 
Eastern Cape
South Africa 
6139

Tel : +27 46 622 7261/7208 
Fax: +27 46 622 3296
Email: hotelv...@imaginet.co.za
website: www.hotelvictoriamews.com

 

[Trevor Watkins]

Hi All,

Am I missing something here?  Not even ONE reply? Did it get buried in the crowd, or is there really zero interest in a seminar in Grahamstown?

regards

Trevor Watkins

+27 46 622 3296
Email: hotelvictoria@imaginet.co.za
website: www.hotelvictoriamews.com

 

[Frances Kendall]

Ive booked for me and Leon at the hotel and will transfer deposit soon. Let me know if you cancel!

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[dougla...@gmail.com]

I may well attend though not necessarily for the whole thing.

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[Frances Kendall]

But it is expensive to get there Trevor, you can't fly for under R2000 pp. That might be putting people off.

On 10 Oct 2012, at 8:48 AM, Trevor Watkins wrote:

[Erik Peers]

Grahamstown, although a great venue,  provides logistical challenges.

The invisible hand is pointing to a different location.

[Colin Bower]

Trevor - there is, regrettably, always potential for extreme disappointment when you stick your head above the parapet by trying to organise something like this. I have reserved my position on attending because, like so many others, I am deterred by logistics and costs. And I'm afraid there is the critical mass issue: we need something like a full house to ensure the attraction of the event. I simply can't do better at this stage than to express a tentative interest which could be firmed up a bit later, but I am well aware that this is probably not enough of a commitment for the organisers. Serious apologies to you and fellow organisers for this state of affairs.

 

Colin Bower.

[Stephen vJ (Gmail)]

I'd like to come, but it is far and a lot of money for a weekend away. I need to find out if my contract will be extended at the end of October, which will determine if I can afford it... so I can tell you at the end of October if I will be coming. The biggest issue is the cost of flights... and the need for a rental car - together I can't find anything under R2800.

 

S.

 

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Subject: [Libsa] Re: 27th Libertarian Spring Seminar

 

Hi All,

Email: hotelv...@imaginet.co.za
website: www.hotelvictoriamews.com

 

[Trevor Watkins]

Thanks Frances. Duly noted. I Have 17 fairly positive prospects so far, but only 2 presentations (Paul Hjul and myself). Can I assume that you and Leon will talk?

regards
Trevor Watkins 

[Stephen vJ (Gmail)]

:-)

An invisible thumb up to that.

S.

Email: hotelv...@imaginet.co.za
website: www.hotelvictoriamews.com

 

 

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[Frances Kendall]

I'm sure Leon will, but don't want to commit myself.

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[Trevor Watkins]

Hi

Packing 5 of you into a medium sized car will end up costing you R400 each, with no need to hire a car. I have done the trip many times in 1 day, alone. It takes between 12 and 13 hours and costs R1000 in petrol each way. Sharing the driving will make it a diddle, and its an interesting drive.

Drive up Thursday, return Sunday afternoon in tme for work on Monday.

regards
Trevor Watkins

[Trevor Watkins]

Hi

Actually, we do have a few libertarians in the Eastern Cape too. Now if I can just get them to stand up, that would be great....

regards
Trevor Watkins

[Stephen vJ (Gmail)]

I can't work and drive at the same time, so at a billable rate of let's say R500/hour, driving down on a Thursday will in fact cost me R6000 in lost revenue if it takes 12 hours.

[Erik Peers]

Trevor has taken the initiave, devoted time and energy to organising a conference for all our benefit.

It return for each suggestion to solve the problems offered, he receives counter arguments.

All goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished.

[Graeme Levin]

So if you travel by air you make a handsome profit because you can work while flying and waiting.

 

If you were indeed fortunate to be able to earn R500 for every waking hour, you might feel more able to afford the air fare and car hire charge in any event.

[Stephen vJ (Gmail)]

I wasn't criticising. Trevor asked why he got little or no responses and a few people suggested that cost might be an issue. Personally, I think costs could be an issue, but don't know yet because for me it depends entirely on information I will only have at the end of October.

 

Also, the cost is not Trevor's fault - costs were also an issue last year, since getting to Wellington is not much cheaper than getting to Grahamstown from here... and yet we had 50 people there and the greatest time.

 

Trevor asked for reasons and a people said "costs". That should not be taken personally and is not a universally applicable answer.

 

In actual fact, it does not really matter to me personally what alternative cost saving suggestions Trevor makes - if my contract is not renewed at the end of October, then I can't afford to come to LibSem even if it was being held in my own kitchen.

 

So Trevor's cost reduction suggestions might not work for me personally or solve my problems, but they may be valuable to others and so I'm glad he is making them. Thanks Trevor.

 

S.

[Stephen vJ (Gmail)]

Exactly. When you give stuff to others which is of value to them, that earns you the ability to enjoy the things they (or others) have to offer in return. Isn't that the way the world is supposed to work ? Rather giving something of lesser value to someone else is not the way to increase future enjoyment, right ?

 

S.