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Trevor Watkins  
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 More options Jan 22 2009, 5:32 am
From: Trevor Watkins <bas...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:32:59 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Jan 22 2009 5:32 am
Subject: Demand a citizens' recall
Who is accountable for the mess South Africa is in today?
Nobody! That’s our problem. We have very limited mechanisms for
holding the incompetents and crooks accountable, so our problems
continue and escalate.  Our much touted constitution has let the
people of South Africa down badly in the area of official
accountability.

As a citizen you get ONE chance every FIVE years to hold the current
government responsible for EVERYTHING they have done, good, bad, and
forgotten. That is such a dumb system I am amazed that anyone can be
persuaded to fall for it.  Can you imagine if a supplier like Pick 'n
Pay opened its complaints department for ONE complaint per person,
once every 5 years? Can you imagine a business that allowed its
shareholders to vote only once in 5 years?

Accountability is essential for good governance.  The success of
America, it has been said, was built on two words - “You’re fired.” In
much the same vein, Dr Samuel Johnson said “Nothing concentrates the
mind like the threat of a good hanging.”  If we are even remotely
serious about improving our country, fighting corruption and crime,
delivering services, then we must start holding the officials
responsible for these tasks accountable to the people who elect and
pay them.  This is simply done. You don’t need to setup a conference,
or hold a commission of enquiry, or hire extra consultants.  Just
implement the concept of a “Citizens’ Recall”.

Many states in the U.S. allow a citizens’ recall, under varying
conditions, although there is no federal equivalent. Arnold
Schwarzenegger became Governor of California after his predecessor was
successfully recalled by popular vote.  No politician or civil servant
can feel safe in office, protected for at least 5 years, when faced
with the threat of a citizens’ recall.

In our recent past, the president of South Africa was recalled, not by
popular vote, but by political skulduggery. Nevertheless, the sky did
not fall in, there was no more chaos than usual. A replacement was
found, and the business of government continued. In fact, our
democracy improved as a direct result of this recall. And, by all
accounts, so did our governance.

I propose the following plan for a citizens’ recall in South Africa:

1. Any elected official or civil servant paid from taxes is subject to
recall.

2. In the event of a successful recall, as defined below, the recalled
official is immediately removed from office. A recall is a punishment
for an official judged to be incompetent by a significant number of
the citizens who pay the official’s salary. The official receives one
month’s salary in lieu of notice, only. The official is not placed on
suspension, there is no appeal, no labour or other employment
regulations apply, no prior contractual agreements may be invoked. The
effect, for legal purposes, is as if the official had died in office.

3. For an elected official, a recall succeeds if the number of recall
ballots exceeds 25% of the votes cast for that official in the last
election. A by-election will be called to replace the recalled
official. The recalled official may not stand in this by-election.

4. For an official elected by proportional representation, the number
of votes cast for that official is calculated as the total number of
votes cast for the official’s party divided by the number of officials
actually elected.  For example, if party X receives 100,000 votes,
resulting in 10 officials getting elected, then the votes cast per
official is deemed to be 10,000, and the recall target is 25% of
10,000, or 2,500.

5. For an appointed civil servant, the recall succeeds if the number
of recall ballots exceeds 10% of that official’s basic monthly salary
in Rands, before any extras or incentives. The official may not re-
apply for the same position.

6. A recall ballot may be initiated by any South African citizen
against any specific official.

7. Any South African citizen who is eligible to vote (name appears on
the voters roll) may vote on a recall ballot.

8. A citizen may vote on an authorised ballot issued by the initiator
of the ballot, at any state office (Post Office, SARS, Home Affairs,
Police Station, etc), through ATMs managed by participating banks,
through an authorised website, or by cellphone sms to an authorised
service provider.

9. In all votes the voter’s identity will be confirmed and will be
validated against the voters roll, as for any ordinary election.
Thereafter, the vote will be anonymous (i.e no record of the identity
of the voters on a ballot is kept.) Only one vote per citizen per
ballot is allowed.

What would be the effect of  instituting a citizen’s recall?  The
performance of every government official from the humblest to the
mightiest, would be subject to review, not by a toothless audit
committee, nor a bunch of like-minded cronies, nor loyal members of
the official’s own party, nor an equally incompetent boss, but by an
independent group of  citizens interested only in getting value for
their hard-earned tax rands.  The civil servants would quake in their
boots. They would wet themselves. They would instantly focus on how to
please their constituents, instead of their boss, or their party. They
would know that corruption and incompetence could actually cost them a
seat on the gravy train. They might even start serving the community
instead of themselves.

Would this lead to chaos in a civil service already stretched to
breaking point? Would civil servants leave government employ in
droves? Would the unions never allow it? It is the incompetent time-
servers already in government who are responsible for the current
crisis. Getting rid of them could only improve the situation, like
removing poison from your body.   South Africa’s problem is
unemployment - there are literally millions waiting for a chance to
prove themselves by taking over the jobs of departing civil servants.
Even if the new guys are useless, at least we now have a mechanism for
sorting the wheat from the chaff.  Of course the unions would oppose
such a proposal. They oppose anything that threatens their comfortable
stranglehold on the country and the economy. But nothing worthwhile is
achieved without effort.

As a  South African citizen, your one chance in 5 years to make your
voice heard is here now! For a few brief months all the politicians
are actually listening to what you have to say. Use this rare
opportunity to insist that you will only vote for a party that
supports the concept of a citizens’ recall.


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Trevor Watkins  
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 More options Feb 6 2009, 5:13 am
From: Trevor Watkins <bas...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 02:13:30 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Feb 6 2009 5:13 am
Subject: Re: Demand a citizens' recall
For those sophisticated libertarians for whom the idea of a citizen's
recall is oh so passe and boring that it is not worthy of even a
single response (who, me, bitter?), have a look at the opinions of the
man-in-the-street on the subject at
http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/readerblog/2009/02/05/demand-a-citizen...

On Jan 22, 12:32 pm, Trevor Watkins <bas...@gmail.com> wrote:


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