So, I came in second in the big 6-way recently, and I got a measly 77
points.  The scores were like this:

Game 6-518
Completed on: Fri Jul 13 17:39:51 2007
Pineapple Chunkers 143
Dobinators 127
Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes 93
Alex's Yellow Bellies 92
Wolff's Flying Tigers 88
Zombocomos 38

At the time, the PC's were below my rank, and WFT and Alex were above.
Without rank concerns, I should have gotten +400 for wins, -100 for loss,
for a net +300.  I think the fact I beat two people a bit above me and
lost to one guy a little behind me should roughly cancel out.  The Zombos
were very far back, and SSS is in the middle, so I guess they're not worth
a ton for beating, but I should at least be at +100 or so.

My rank was only 16-17 (can't recall), which means the win discounting
that starts at level 15 shouldn't have kicked in much, unless it's
insanely draconian.

So, how do I go from a +300 reward to +77 for beating a net three people?
I can't do the math explicitly, because I can't see it all on the score
explanation page, which just has vague points of reference. Maybe it's
posted in the google group archives, but I'm not that ambitious yet.

Dave

The algorithms are posted in the newsgroup, but here's the official output
of that game.  I think you underestimate the uselessness of beating
Zombocomos and the Purple Hearts.

GAME FINISHED-6-518
Wolff's Flying Tigers beats Zombocomos
Beater diff is 10
        Wolff's Flying Tigers now has 10
        Zombocomos loses 0
        Zombocomos now has 0
Dobinators beats Wolff's Flying Tigers
Beater diff is 75.1111111111
        Dobinators now has 75.1111111111
        Wolff's Flying Tigers loses -100.0
        Wolff's Flying Tigers now has -90.0
Dobinators beats Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes
Beater diff is 10
        Dobinators now has 85.1111111111
        Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes loses -0.035
        Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes now has -0.0
Dobinators beats Zombocomos
Beater diff is 10
        Dobinators now has 95.1111111111
        Zombocomos loses 0
        Zombocomos now has 0
Dobinators beats Alex's Yellow Bellies
Beater diff is 97.6444444444
        Dobinators now has 192.755555556
        Alex's Yellow Bellies loses -130.0
        Alex's Yellow Bellies now has -130.0
Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes beats Wolff's Flying
Beater diff is 191.0
        Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes now has 190.
        Wolff's Flying Tigers loses -191.0
        Wolff's Flying Tigers now has -281.0
Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes beats Zombocomos
Beater diff is 92.0
        Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes now has 282.
        Zombocomos loses 0
        Zombocomos now has 0
Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes beats Alex's Yellow
Beater diff is 10
        Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes now has 292.
        Alex's Yellow Bellies loses 0.0
        Alex's Yellow Bellies now has -130.0
Alex's Yellow Bellies beats Wolff's Flying Tigers
Beater diff is 24.84
        Alex's Yellow Bellies now has -105.16
        Wolff's Flying Tigers loses -69.0
        Wolff's Flying Tigers now has -350.0
Alex's Yellow Bellies beats Zombocomos
Beater diff is 10
        Alex's Yellow Bellies now has -95.16
        Zombocomos loses 0
        Zombocomos now has 0
Pineapple Chunkers beats Wolff's Flying Tigers
Beater diff is 115.0
        Pineapple Chunkers now has 115.0
        Wolff's Flying Tigers loses -115.0
        Wolff's Flying Tigers now has -465.0
Pineapple Chunkers beats Dobinators
Beater diff is 115.0
        Pineapple Chunkers now has 230.0
        Dobinators loses -115.0
        Dobinators now has 77.7555555556
Pineapple Chunkers beats Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes
Beater diff is 15.0
        Pineapple Chunkers now has 245.0
        Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes loses -0.066
        Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes now has 292.
Pineapple Chunkers beats Zombocomos
Beater diff is 11.0
        Pineapple Chunkers now has 256.0
        Zombocomos loses 0
        Zombocomos now has 0
Pineapple Chunkers beats Alex's Yellow Bellies
Beater diff is 143.0
        Pineapple Chunkers now has 399.0
        Alex's Yellow Bellies loses -143.0
        Alex's Yellow Bellies now has -238.16
On game FINISHED-6-518:
        Sarahmac's Slippery Slopes 292.89777777
        Pineapple Chunkers 399.0
        Rate limiter 300 399.0
        Alex's Yellow Bellies -238.16
        Rate limiter -150 -238.16
        Dobinators 77.7555555556
        Wolff's Flying Tigers -465.0
        Rate limiter -150 -465.0
        Zombocomos 0

On 7/15/07, David McCullough Dobson <d...@snood.pair.com> wrote:

Here's a portion of the lookup table for winning (number to left of
colon is your level minus opponent's level) posted by Corlan (I
think), based on the code posted by Wolff (note numbers are rounded in
the table, but not in Wolff's code):

-20 :   0   -6 : 143    8 :  44
-19 : 200   -5 : 136    9 :  38
-18 : 197   -4 : 130    10 :  33
-17 : 194   -3 : 123    11 :  28
-16 : 191   -2 : 115    12 :  24
-15 : 188   -1 : 108    13 :  19
-14 : 184    0 : 100    14 :  15
-13 : 180    1 :  92    15 :  11
-12 : 175    2 :  84    16 :   8
-11 : 171    3 :  76    17 :   5
-10 : 166    4 :  69    18 :   2
-9 : 161     5 :  63    19 :   0
-8 : 155     6 :  56    20 :   0
-7 : 149     7 :  50

The -20 was pointed out as a bug at the time, I think.  Moreover,
here's the lookup table for win discounting:

Lvl Win%
16  .87         24  .16
17  .75         25  .11
18  .64         26  .07
19  .53         27  .04
20  .44         28  .01
21  .36         29  .004
22  .28         30  0
23  .21

And the ranks before the game were:
  AYB : 21
  WFT : 17
  Dob  : 17
  PC   : 15
  SSS : 1
  Zoo   : 0

So, in calculating your score:
  loss vs PC = -115
  win vs SSS = 8*.75 = 6
  win vs AYB = 130*.75 = 97.5
  win vs WFT = 100*.75 = 75
  win vs Zoo = 5*.75 = 3.75

for a grand total of 67.25.  Although it looks as if the minimum score
you can get for beating someone is actually 10, so that pushed you to
77.  You're really getting points for beating Wolff, and then getting
those discounted by win % (which is fairly harsh).  I wouldn't worry
about it too much, because Wolff knows about the scoring issues, and
any time a fix is put in, all scores will be recomputed based on the
new system.  For right now, maintaining a rank over 15 is really good,
because the scoring system pulls strongly to level 15, and the best
way to compare how you're doing is to look at relative rank/score.

I will note that the bug for -20 appears to still exist; looking at:

the Slippery Slopes should get 200 points (and I should lose 200), but
that appears to not be happening.  It makes a whopping 8 point
difference in her final score for this game, so not a big deal for
now.

On Jul 15, 7:32 pm, "Wolff Dobson" <wo...@zebra.net> wrote: