Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...?
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
are keen to translate the children's book Espi Mai is Stuck Again and
Other Goan Tales into Portuguese. Do you have any suggestions of how
best this can be done? As always, it's a limited-budget initiative.
But miracles can happen! If you know anyone who might be willing to
help with such a task, please get in touch. The book comprises stories
in a simple language for children in the 5-11 age group. Please cc
Anita in your email. FN
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sandra lobo
The idea is to release the book in Goa?
Sandra
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Subject: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...?
Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا
done well (almost a thousand copies sold in six months, though priced
very reasonably at Rs 150 only). We're keen to have it translated
into Konkani and Portuguese. In the case of Portuguese, the idea is to
have (i) resources for local schoolchildren studying the language --
in simple format, and focussing on local issues (ii) a book that might
attract an audience in Portugal as "stories from India" and (iii) a
language-learning tool for those who might want to encounter a simpler
form of the written word here. As of now, it's still only an idea that
needs working on, but we have received positive responses. FN
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Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا
Enclosed is the text, please choose a story and let us know (so
there's no duplication). If anyone else wants to translate another
story, please go ahead! We could make this into a 'distributed
translation' project :-) FN
PS: Please keep in mind that the age-group for potential readers is 5
to 11 years, and hence the language needs to be simple and
easy-to-follow.
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Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا
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Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا
Thanks for all the help given with translating these stories! Our
experience has been really amazing. From Facebook, to yahoo- and
google-groups, to GoaResearchNet and Goanet, we've got useful feedback
and help.
One volunteer-translator wrote: "It's pleasure and great fun to
translate these stories! I have two nephews with 5 and 7 how never
been to Goa but are super curious about the place. These stories give
me an opportunity to keep their interest high and give them a sense of
the magic of Goa. So there you go, it works both ways!"
If anyone is willing to take up a story, please mention your intent.
This is to avoid duplication of work. So far, the following stories
have been done/are in the process of being done:
* Masu, The Unhappy Fish
* Fix it Fareeda
* A Leopard Comes To Dinner.
Many thanks for whatever help you could offer. Any help will be duly
acknowledged. FN
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
translated. See the original in the attached ebook. Please note that
it is still in draft form. Your comments are welcome. Anyone else
volunteering to translate one or more stories, please do get in touch!
--FN]
Masu, o peixe infeliz
Ao largo da costa de Goa, numa pequena enseada, onde a água é azul
prateada, vivia um cardume de peixes de cauda vermelha. Os peixes eram
muito felizes. O sol era morno e tinham bastante comida – algas e
pequenas minhocas.
Mas Masu, o pequeno peixe nunca estava feliz. Observava as crianças na
praia que construíam castelos na areia, jogavam futebol e comiam milho
assado.
De vez em quando o homem dos gelados passava com a sua geladeira e
telintava a sua campainha. “ Eu quero viver em terra,” disse Masu à
sua mãe. “As pessoas que vivem em terra estão sempre divertidas. Nunca
temem os peixes grandes que as podem comer ao jantar.”
“Masu, tu não podes viver em terra,” disse a Mãe peixe. “O teu corpo é
feito para respirar apenas na água. Além disso, tens a certeza que
estarás seguro em terra?”
“Claro que sim Mãe,” respondeu Masu nadando para longe para brincar
com os seus amigos.
No dia seguinte, um rapaz chamado Anuj apareceu com um cântaro para
brincar na praia. Saltou para a água na esperança de apanhar algum
peixe. Evidentemente, toda a gente sabe que não se pode pescar com um
cântaro. Mas o Anuj tinha apenas cinco anos e não sabia que são
necessárias uma rede ou uma cana para apanhar peixe.
Enquanto avançava pela água, Masu avistou Anuj. “Aqui está a minha
oportunidade de ir para terra,” pensou Masu, nadando em direcção ao
cântaro castanho.
“Apanhei um peixe! Apanhei um peixe!” Gritou Anuj.
Roopali, a sua irmã mais velha, olhou para ele e disse ”ah!” e
continuou a fazer desenhos na areia com os dedos e cascas de coco.
Anuj correu para ela: “Olha! Olha! Apanhei um peixe!”
Roopali olhou para dentro do cântaro e ali estava ele – um bonito
peixe de cauda vermelha nadando alegremente em círculos.
Nesse momento chegou o homem dos gelados tocando a sua campainha “ring, ring.”
“Ah, vamos dar-lhe um bocado de gelado,” disse o Anuj.
“Os peixes não comem gelado, pateta,” respondeu Roopali.
“Mas eu vou ensinar o meu peixe a comer gelado,” disse o Anuj a correr
em direcção à Mãe para lhe pedir que comprasse um.
“Isto sim!” Pensou Masu. “Isto é vida.”
Anuj voltou com um gelado de leite, colocando um pedaço no cântaro.
Masu nadou rapidamente de encontro ao gelado e deu uma grande dentada.
“Ai, ai!” Gritou, dançado às voltas no cântaro. “É tão frio, tão
frio!” Saltou tão alto que saiu do cântaro e caiu na areia, mesmo no
meio do castelo de areia da Roopali.
Com o susto Roopali deu um pulo e sem querer deu um pontapé no seu
castelo. E o que achas que aconteceu? O pobre Masu ficou enterrado
entre a areia e as cascas de coco. Não se conseguia mexer. Não
conseguia respirar.
“Onde está o meu peixe?” Gritou Anuj. Escavou a areia o mais depressa
que as suas pequenas mãos permitiam. “Aqui está ele,” sussurrou
olhando para Masu coberto de areia. Masu estava quieto e quase sem
vida. “Estará morto?” Perguntou.
“Acho que não,” respondeu Roopali, “vamos levá-lo rapidamente de volta à água!”
Durante alguns segundos Masu boiou na água. Depois devagar começou de
novo a respirar. Assim que recuperou forças, começou a nadar. Anuj e
Roopali bateram palmas, e disseram, “Adeus, pequeno peixe.”
Masu nadou em direcção à sua Mãe, direito aos seus braços…ou melhor
barbatanas! “Eu não quero voltar a terra nunca mais.” Soluçou. “Eu
quero ficar dentro de água para sempre.”
“E claro que vais ficar, querido,” respondeu a Mãe. Não o repreendeu
porque as Mãe perdoam sempre e sabia que Masu aprendera a sua lição.
Loiola
Loiola.
Sent from my iPhone
> <emisa.jpg>
> <episa.pdf>
sandra lobo
> porque as Mãe perdoam sempre e sabia que Masu aprendera a sua lição - the translator forgot the s for Mães.
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:00:58 +0530
> Subject: Re: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...?
> To: learn-port...@googlegroups.com
sandra lobo
> From: loio...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:18:45 +0530
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Joaquim Loiola Pereira
Loiola.
You make a living by what you get
You make a life by what you give.
Joaquim Loiola Pereira
Folks,
I had sent a response a little while ago. I am revising it,
after a nagging doubt led me to consult my dictionary --- and the dictionary
confirmed my doubt.
So my revised comments would be: 1. Both telintar and tilintar are intransitive verbs. It is better, therefore, to write “passava com uma geladeira (um gelador?) tocando a sua campainha.” 2. tlim-tlim would be preferable to ring-ring.
Loiola.
P.S. Sandra, I was under the impression that I had sent my first response to Goa Book Club (from where did I get that??)
Joao Paulo Cota
"The more you know, the less you know, because the more you know you don't know". --M. Lin
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:18:54 +0530
Subject: Re: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...
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> > Audio recordings (mostly from Goa): http://bit.ly/GoaRecordings
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You make a life by what you give.
sandra lobo
So perhaps, modifying a bit the sentence but keeping with its spirit - De vez em quando, o tilintar de uma campainha anunciava a passagem do homem dos gelados com a sua geladeira.
Sandra
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:18:54 +0530
Subject: Re: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...
Joaquim Loiola Pereira
Sandra: That's a very nice alternative, even if you had to stop at "homem dos gelados."
Joao Paulo: Tring-tring. Why not? I am, however, a bit sensitive to what the lusophone 'petizada' may be used to. How would children's writers in the Portuguese-speaking world put it?
Loiola.
You are right in your remarks. Nothing like going back to grammar. Nevertheless "tilintar" has a gaiety and rhythm which sounds pleasant in an children's story
So perhaps, modifying a bit the sentence but keeping with its spirit - De vez em quando, o tilintar de uma campainha anunciava a passagem do homem dos gelados com a sua geladeira.
Sandra
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:18:54 +0530From: loio...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...
To: learn-port...@googlegroups.com
Folks,
I had sent a response a little while ago. I am revising it, after a nagging doubt led me to consult my dictionary --- and the dictionary confirmed my doubt.
So my revised comments would be: 1. Both telintar and tilintar are intransitive verbs. It is better, therefore, to write “passava com uma geladeira (um gelador?) tocando a sua campainha.” 2. tlim-tlim would be preferable to ring-ring.
Loiola.
P.S. Sandra, I was under the impression that I had sent my first response to Goa Book Club (from where did I get that??)
sandra lobo
Sandra
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:20:21 +0530
Joao Paulo Cota
"The more you know, the less you know, because the more you know you don't know". --M. Lin
From: sandr...@netcabo.pt
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Subject: RE: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:42:39 +0000
Maria Inês Figueira
I just join the group and wanted to thank you all very much for all
your comments on the translation. Can't really express how helpful it
is to have professionals reading your work!
Paulo just a note. Geladeira is the literally translation of ice box.
It's what one uses to take food to the beach and what the ice cream
man uses to transport his merchandise. And yes there were lots of ice
cream vendors in all Portuguese beaches, they used to sing a jingle
that went more or less like this: "Olá fresquinho, é fruta ou
chocolate!" (Olá was the brand and they came in to flavours, fruit or
chocolate).
Cheers,
Inês
On 31 Mar, 03:45, Joao Paulo Cota <joao_c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Actually I have sent in my 'tring tring' suggestion as that was the sound myself and friends used in Angola and Portugal in our childhood whenever a bicycle used to sound its 'campainha'. Kids normally try to associate the phonetical sound to make a word in many cases. There were not icecream vendors there... too much health and safety red tape I guess...Yes, 'geladeira' would literally suggest somebody with a kitchen fridge on his back! I would go too with 'homem dos gelados', we can do away with the technicality of the refrigeration bit, might sound a bit of rocket science for young kids.Regards,JP
> "The more you know, the less you know, because the more you know you don't know". --M. Lin
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> To: learn-port...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:42:39 +0000
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> Yes, the "geladeira" is redundant.
>
> Sandra
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> Subject: Re: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...
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> Sandra: That's a very nice alternative, even if you had to stop at "homem dos gelados."
>
> Joao Paulo: Tring-tring. Why not? I am, however, a bit sensitive to what the lusophone 'petizada' may be used to. How would children's writers in the Portuguese-speaking world put it?
>
> Loiola.
>
>
> You are right in your remarks. Nothing like going back to grammar. Nevertheless "tilintar" has a gaiety and rhythm which sounds pleasant in an children's story
>
> So perhaps, modifying a bit the sentence but keeping with its spirit - De vez em quando, o tilintar de uma campainha anunciava a passagem do homem dos gelados com a sua geladeira.
>
> Sandra
>
> Subject: Re: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...
Joao Paulo Cota
"The more you know, the less you know, because the more you know you don't know". --M. Lin
> Subject: Re: Translating a Goan children's book into Portuguese...
Joaquim Loiola Pereira
So I take that Inês is the author of the translation in hand. Parabéns! I loved your work.
I have been bred and buttered in Goa and, of course, I speak Portuguese. The only word we use in Goa is frigorífico (carro frigorífico, caixa frigorífica). Geladeira takes me to Brazil --- and forcefully to the song Cadê Zazá … ‘sem ela p’ra qui serve a gelade(i)ra!?’ That’s the reason why I had even suggested ‘gelador.’
But I bow to the lexicon of a contemporary Portuguese writer (escritor/a), since my study of Portuguese kind of froze after 1961.
Loiola.
Maria Inês Figueira
Joao Paulo Cota
"The more you know, the less you know, because the more you know you don't know". --M. Lin
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 01:41:31 +0530
figuei...@gmail.com
Cheers,
Ines
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
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Thank you so much Joaquim, very kind words. Your suggestions we're very helpful!
Cheers,
Ines