Model lawsuit to win against income tax
Bob Hurt
I just explained it, but I did a lousy job, so I’ll do it again.
Truth Attack collects money organizes people and works to build a powerful icepick in the brain of income tax. Tom and Larry support this and push it.
They cannot eat air. They have to receive money for their work, or their families and other obligations die.
It will cost $50,000 to fund the litigation they will do as a MODEL to BUILD CASE LAW in vulnerable areas against income tax.
People will be able to use this case law in years to come.
Instead of working with a real broke patriot with a family suffering from real torturous oppression by the IRS (the typical idiot client who didn’t think before bucking against income tax), we set up a dummy situation with real but shell corporation having no purpose other than this lawsuit, hiring one employee for the purpose of this lawsuit, who then files suit against the corporation and uses this lawsuit to hammer the IRS in a way where the win or loss does not cost anybody JAIL TIME and loss of a FORTUNE and FAMILY. The plaintiff works for summary judgment without opposition by the defendant, and it has to do with a crappy income tax issue. The defendant then appeals the ruling and of course the plaintiff wins.
THIS IS A FRIENDLY lawsuit where the parties do it as friendly adversaries to create case law, not out of necessary hostility.
Get it? So HELP ME GET THE MONEY TOGETHER. This is not some bullshit project. It matters. It means something, and it will set the stage for more and more projects like it that can (may, might, possibly) win against the income tax.
It makes more sense to do it this way than to stand aside and watch the IRS and DOJ rape and destroy the lives of one patriot after another, at immense loss of money, liberty, family, reputation, and so on.
We have no other practical way to band together. It’s a lot cheaper to pay for litigation than to get out in the street with guns, knives, hoes, and broken whiskey bottles, isn’t it?
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From: Natlaw...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Natlaw...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of macwildstarGmail
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:07 AM
To: Natlaw...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Natlawmandisc] Re: [Tax-Freedom-Unity] IRS Response Letters
I like the answer the student loan people are giving.. "just stop paying your loans".. let the bubble burst".. due to the high default rate.
The fact is Robert, we know the law is IMPOSSIBLE to understand, because it changes constantly, and due to the fact that we must look to the courts for the meaning of specific words. That alone should make the law void for vagueness under the legal therory that law must be clear and exact to be valid. Yet no one has challenged this in court.
Why?
Because most of us who are fighting, have already had most of our resorces taken away from us and we don't have the ability to fight back.
your idea of a collective pool of funding is a great idea.. Set it up as a trust, with real trustees and it might work. Other wise I do not think people would donate..
And I haven't hear much about the project Tom Cryer was working on.. any one know about that?
In reality, I haven't heard much new news about Joe Bannister either..
----- Original Message -----
From: robertp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Natlawmandisc] Re: [Tax-Freedom-Unity] IRS Response Letters
Honestly, who knows anything? One guy states he has the answers, another calls him a kook or an idiot and says he has the real answers. Someone follows this person's advice and loses in court and is called a moron for "doing" it wrong or using the wrong information. Other than the inner city poor, I have never seen a group of people eat their own like the tax movement.
When I moderated the original Tax-Freedom-Now over 11 years ago I said we need to get the real legal experts working together to solve these complicated issues. We need Conces, Schiff, Skinner, and all the others to set aside their ridiculous disagreements and egos and hash things out. What works, what doesn't, etc. I suggested an online forum where the experts could publish their findings for free and that we could send donations to fund their work. I also suggested a legal fund be set up to assist members.
The point is that we destroy each other over the meaning of the nonsensical IRC's various sections when, in reality, none of us has the answers. Many say that you need to spend months or years studying the law and relevant code sections and court cases but that is impossible for most of us. It is like saying you must become a doctor so you can cure yourself. No, the answer lies in working together in an organized fashion and getting people into public office who will abolish the IRS and all direct taxation upon citizens.
This may all be a moot point now as our country is headed into a financial ruin that will make the great depression look like a pleasant vacation. Anyway, I am fed up with the know-it-alls who can always tell us why someone lost but can never help anyone win.
On Sep 27, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Roy Dobbs wrote:
Mac, have you used any of Richard Cornforths material? I know Chuck Conces was real good friends with him and I guess Richard was showing him how to handle things in court etc, correct me if I am wrong about this.
I recently watched Richards youtube video about Trinsey vs Pagliaro
and i really like it. how about Robert Fox ,do you know of anyone who has used his material? Thank You for your time , i sure hope things get better for you at the Va.From: MacWildstar <macwi...@yahoo.com>
To: Tax-Free...@yahoogroups.com
Cc: natlawdisc <natlaw...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:21 PM
Subject: [Natlawmandisc] Re: [Tax-Freedom-Unity] IRS Response Letters
I recently saw an excellent comment in another posting in what group, I do not remember.
But basicaly the guy said, that since he had to turn to COURT decisions to find what "income" means legaly, that fact alone proves that it is impossible for any common man to be able to properly determine tax liablity, let alone file a tax return or any kind of tax reporting document that subjects the man to penalties of perjury.
The system is courrupt, and we cannot win. Sorry George, but you are going to pay them, one way or the other.
We stood up for what is right and we are going to get SCREWED.. bend over cause here it comes.. and many of us are in the same boat as you.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Lanning
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:18 PM
Subject: [Tax-Freedom-Unity] IRS Response Letters
I'm new to the group and need some help. I have been keeping the IRS at bay since 1999. However, now that I'm retired, they want to levy my Social Security which is my only source of income. I received a CP-91 last week. Over the years I've had outside help in preparing responses to their notices. However, they have now ceased to exist. Does anyone have a recommendation for a replacement.
Thank You!
George
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