******************************************************** THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ E-mail: a...@drugsense.org Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ ********************************************************
7/27/00
THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, healing herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic substances known to medicine.
2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute cannabis for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva Convention, UN Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, California Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's willingness to defend them.
4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning to their lives and hope to countless others. ***********************************
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) di tli hi = (Warrior) My Cherokee name.
"Marijuana clearly has medicinal value. Thousands of seriously ill Americans have been able to determine that for themselves, albeit illegally. Like my own family, these individuals did not wish to break the law but they had no choice."
--Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee
(Note: The above quote was taken from an extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx, by Robert C. Randall, the founder of the medical marijuana movement. Marijuana Rx is published by Thunder's Mouth Press.)
******************************************************** THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ E-mail: a...@drugsense.org Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ ********************************************************
7/28/00
THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
1. Medical marijuana is good medicine. In its natural form, it is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic substances available.
2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute cannabis for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva Convention, UN Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, California Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's willingness to defend them.
4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning to their lives and hope to countless others.
--------- Thanks to Linda <Siss...@aol.com> and Kevin Zeese <kevze...@laser.net> for suggesting the changes to the first truth. **********************************
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) di tli hi = (Warrior) My Cherokee name.
"I was born upon the prairie where the wind blew free and there was nothing to break the light of the sun. I was born where there were no enclosures and where everything drew a free breath." "I want to die there, not within walls."
Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting the medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and have nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea of administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your movement is medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or tablet form???
> ******************************************************** > THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION > 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 > Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > E-mail: a...@drugsense.org > Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > ********************************************************
> 7/27/00
> THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
> 1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, healing > herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic substances > known to medicine.
> 2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute cannabis > for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva Convention, UN > Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, California > Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court of > Appeals.
> 3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's willingness to > defend them.
> 4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning to their > lives and hope to countless others. > ***********************************
> Mark "COSMOS" Renfro > u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) > u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) > a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) > di tli hi = (Warrior) > My Cherokee name.
> "Marijuana clearly has medicinal value. > Thousands of seriously ill Americans have > been able to determine that for themselves, > albeit illegally. Like my own family, these > individuals did not wish to break the law but > they had no choice."
> --Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of > the Republican National Committee
> (Note: The above quote was taken from an > extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx, > by Robert C. Randall, the founder of > the medical marijuana movement. > Marijuana Rx is published by > Thunder's Mouth Press.)
That should be legal too, ..especially for medical purposes. It's hard to imagine that you would make that legal without decriminalizing the plant also.
Jonathan Byrne wrote: > Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting the > medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and have > nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea of > administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your movement is > medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or tablet > form???
> "Mark2101" <Mark2...@email.msn.com> wrote in message > news:eB$An8#9$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa08... > > ******************************************************** > > THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION > > 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 > > Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > > E-mail: a...@drugsense.org > > Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > > ********************************************************
> > 7/27/00
> > THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
> > 1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, healing > > herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic substances > > known to medicine.
> > 2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute > cannabis > > for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva Convention, > UN > > Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, California > > Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court of > > Appeals.
> > 3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's willingness > to > > defend them.
> > 4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning to their > > lives and hope to countless others. > > ***********************************
> > Mark "COSMOS" Renfro > > u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) > > u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) > > a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) > > di tli hi = (Warrior) > > My Cherokee name.
> > "Marijuana clearly has medicinal value. > > Thousands of seriously ill Americans have > > been able to determine that for themselves, > > albeit illegally. Like my own family, these > > individuals did not wish to break the law but > > they had no choice."
> > --Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of > > the Republican National Committee
> > (Note: The above quote was taken from an > > extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx, > > by Robert C. Randall, the founder of > > the medical marijuana movement. > > Marijuana Rx is published by > > Thunder's Mouth Press.)
> That should be legal too, ..especially for medical purposes. It's hard to > imagine that you would make that legal without decriminalizing the plant also.
> Jonathan Byrne wrote:
> > Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting the > > medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and have > > nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea of > > administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your movement is > > medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or tablet > > form???
> > "Mark2101" <Mark2...@email.msn.com> wrote in message > > news:eB$An8#9$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa08... > > > ******************************************************** > > > THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION > > > 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 > > > Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > > > E-mail: a...@drugsense.org > > > Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > > > ********************************************************
> > > 7/27/00
> > > THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
> > > 1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, healing > > > herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic substances > > > known to medicine.
> > > 2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute > > cannabis > > > for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva Convention, > > UN > > > Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, California > > > Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court of > > > Appeals.
> > > 3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's willingness > > to > > > defend them.
> > > 4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning to their > > > lives and hope to countless others. > > > ***********************************
> > > Mark "COSMOS" Renfro > > > u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) > > > u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) > > > a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) > > > di tli hi = (Warrior) > > > My Cherokee name.
> > > "Marijuana clearly has medicinal value. > > > Thousands of seriously ill Americans have > > > been able to determine that for themselves, > > > albeit illegally. Like my own family, these > > > individuals did not wish to break the law but > > > they had no choice."
> > > --Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of > > > the Republican National Committee
> > > (Note: The above quote was taken from an > > > extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx, > > > by Robert C. Randall, the founder of > > > the medical marijuana movement. > > > Marijuana Rx is published by > > > Thunder's Mouth Press.)
Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic effects as natural THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for medical purposes.Perhaps one day when you(or your spouse) get cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to save you life you will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
Jonathan Byrne wrote in message <8Gng5.1534$xq3.254...@den-news1.rmi.net>... >Don't get me wrong, I certainly wasn't arguing for the legalization of THC. >I was just pointing out the absurdity of their stance.
>Jonathan Byrne
>"Garland Hopkins" <garla...@home.com> wrote in message >news:39820148.E54DB6A4@home.com... >> That should be legal too, ..especially for medical purposes. It's hard to >> imagine that you would make that legal without decriminalizing the plant >also.
>> Jonathan Byrne wrote:
>> > Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting the >> > medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and >have >> > nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea of >> > administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your movement >is >> > medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or tablet >> > form???
>> > "Mark2101" <Mark2...@email.msn.com> wrote in message >> > news:eB$An8#9$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa08... >> > > ******************************************************** >> > > THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION >> > > 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 >> > > Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ >> > > E-mail: a...@drugsense.org >> > > Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ >> > > ********************************************************
>> > > 7/27/00
>> > > THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
>> > > 1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, >healing >> > > herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic >substances >> > > known to medicine.
>> > > 2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute >> > cannabis >> > > for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva >Convention, >> > UN >> > > Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, California >> > > Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court of >> > > Appeals.
>> > > 3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's >willingness >> > to >> > > defend them.
>> > > 4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning to >their >> > > lives and hope to countless others. >> > > ***********************************
>> > > Mark "COSMOS" Renfro >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) >> > > a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) >> > > di tli hi = (Warrior) >> > > My Cherokee name.
>> > > "Marijuana clearly has medicinal value. >> > > Thousands of seriously ill Americans have >> > > been able to determine that for themselves, >> > > albeit illegally. Like my own family, these >> > > individuals did not wish to break the law but >> > > they had no choice."
>> > > --Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of >> > > the Republican National Committee
>> > > (Note: The above quote was taken from an >> > > extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx, >> > > by Robert C. Randall, the founder of >> > > the medical marijuana movement. >> > > Marijuana Rx is published by >> > > Thunder's Mouth Press.)
Lots of sick people can't keep a pill down. Do hospitals give them anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips. I'm not a doctor and I doubt you are either. If Marijuana was the wonder medicine AMMA claims, the medical establishment would be asking for it. That is not happening. Again, it's not a coincidence that people arguing for the medical use of Marijuana often support the total legalization of Marijuana.
> Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic effects as natural > THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for medical purposes.Perhaps one day > when you(or your spouse) get cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to save > you life you will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you > cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
> >Don't get me wrong, I certainly wasn't arguing for the legalization of THC. > >I was just pointing out the absurdity of their stance.
> >Jonathan Byrne
> >"Garland Hopkins" <garla...@home.com> wrote in message > >news:39820148.E54DB6A4@home.com... > >> That should be legal too, ..especially for medical purposes. It's hard to > >> imagine that you would make that legal without decriminalizing the plant > >also.
> >> Jonathan Byrne wrote:
> >> > Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting the > >> > medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and > >have > >> > nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea of > >> > administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your movement > >is > >> > medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or > tablet > >> > form???
> >> > Jonathan Byrne > >> > jby...@libertybay.com
> >> > "Mark2101" <Mark2...@email.msn.com> wrote in message > >> > news:eB$An8#9$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa08... > >> > > ******************************************************** > >> > > THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION > >> > > 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 > >> > > Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > >> > > E-mail: a...@drugsense.org > >> > > Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > >> > > ********************************************************
> >> > > 7/27/00
> >> > > THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
> >> > > 1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, > >healing > >> > > herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic > >substances > >> > > known to medicine.
> >> > > 2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute > >> > cannabis > >> > > for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva > >Convention, > >> > UN > >> > > Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, California > >> > > Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court > of > >> > > Appeals.
> >> > > 3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's > >willingness > >> > to > >> > > defend them.
> >> > > 4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning to > >their > >> > > lives and hope to countless others. > >> > > ***********************************
> >> > > Mark "COSMOS" Renfro > >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) > >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) > >> > > a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) > >> > > di tli hi = (Warrior) > >> > > My Cherokee name.
> >> > > "Marijuana clearly has medicinal value. > >> > > Thousands of seriously ill Americans have > >> > > been able to determine that for themselves, > >> > > albeit illegally. Like my own family, these > >> > > individuals did not wish to break the law but > >> > > they had no choice."
> >> > > --Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of > >> > > the Republican National Committee
> >> > > (Note: The above quote was taken from an > >> > > extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx, > >> > > by Robert C. Randall, the founder of > >> > > the medical marijuana movement. > >> > > Marijuana Rx is published by > >> > > Thunder's Mouth Press.)
In article <o5og5.5508$FJ4.92...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>,
Gr8ful Dave <nospamncc17...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic >effects as natural THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for >medical purposes.Perhaps one day when you(or your spouse) get >cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to save you life you >will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you >cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
Awww, come ON now guys. As essentially a libertarian, I of course believe can use whatever drugs they want.
BUT - there are, thank goodness, relatively FEW people that need MJ to offset nnausea. But, at the same time, there appears to be a HUGE public um, er, "interest" in this subject.
It is just part of the effort to totally legalize MJ.
Y'all should cut the crap and admit your true agenda.
-- All kittens are communists for the first 2 weeks. Then their eyes open.
Phil Ronzone wrote in message <8lt480$16...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>... >In article <o5og5.5508$FJ4.92...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, >Gr8ful Dave <nospamncc17...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic > >effects as natural THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for > >medical purposes.Perhaps one day when you(or your spouse) get > >cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to save you life you > >will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you > >cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
>Awww, come ON now guys. As essentially a libertarian, I of course believe can >use whatever drugs they want.
>BUT - there are, thank goodness, relatively FEW people that need MJ to >offset nnausea. But, at the same time, there appears to be a HUGE public >um, er, "interest" in this subject. >Relatively few that you know about >It is just part of the effort to totally legalize MJ.
>Y'all should cut the crap and admit your true agenda.
>-- >All kittens are communists for the first 2 weeks. Then their eyes open.
Perhaps sick people at home trying to get on with whats left of their lives find it a pain in the ass to drag around an IV drip with them everywhere they go.
Jonathan Byrne wrote in message ... >Lots of sick people can't keep a pill down. Do hospitals give them >anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips. I'm not a doctor and I >doubt you are either. If Marijuana was the wonder medicine AMMA claims, the >medical establishment would be asking for it. That is not happening. >Again, it's not a coincidence that people arguing for the medical use of >Marijuana often support the total legalization of Marijuana.
>"Gr8ful Dave" <nospamncc17...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >news:o5og5.5508$FJ4.92297@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... >> Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic effects as natural >> THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for medical purposes.Perhaps one >day >> when you(or your spouse) get cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to >save >> you life you will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you >> cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
>> Jonathan Byrne wrote in message ><8Gng5.1534$xq3.254...@den-news1.rmi.net>... >> >Don't get me wrong, I certainly wasn't arguing for the legalization of >THC. >> >I was just pointing out the absurdity of their stance.
>> >Jonathan Byrne
>> >"Garland Hopkins" <garla...@home.com> wrote in message >> >news:39820148.E54DB6A4@home.com... >> >> That should be legal too, ..especially for medical purposes. It's hard >to >> >> imagine that you would make that legal without decriminalizing the >plant >> >also.
>> >> Jonathan Byrne wrote:
>> >> > Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting >the >> >> > medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and >> >have >> >> > nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea >of >> >> > administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your >movement >> >is >> >> > medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or >> tablet >> >> > form???
>> >> > Jonathan Byrne >> >> > jby...@libertybay.com
>> >> > "Mark2101" <Mark2...@email.msn.com> wrote in message >> >> > news:eB$An8#9$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa08... >> >> > > ******************************************************** >> >> > > THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION >> >> > > 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 >> >> > > Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ >> >> > > E-mail: a...@drugsense.org >> >> > > Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ >> >> > > ********************************************************
>> >> > > 7/27/00
>> >> > > THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
>> >> > > 1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, >> >healing >> >> > > herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic >> >substances >> >> > > known to medicine.
>> >> > > 2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute >> >> > cannabis >> >> > > for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva >> >Convention, >> >> > UN >> >> > > Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, >California >> >> > > Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court >> of >> >> > > Appeals.
>> >> > > 3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's >> >willingness >> >> > to >> >> > > defend them.
>> >> > > 4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning >to >> >their >> >> > > lives and hope to countless others. >> >> > > ***********************************
>> >> > > Mark "COSMOS" Renfro >> >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) >> >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) >> >> > > a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) >> >> > > di tli hi = (Warrior) >> >> > > My Cherokee name.
>> >> > > "Marijuana clearly has medicinal value. >> >> > > Thousands of seriously ill Americans have >> >> > > been able to determine that for themselves, >> >> > > albeit illegally. Like my own family, these >> >> > > individuals did not wish to break the law but >> >> > > they had no choice."
>> >> > > --Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of >> >> > > the Republican National Committee
>> >> > > (Note: The above quote was taken from an >> >> > > extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx, >> >> > > by Robert C. Randall, the founder of >> >> > > the medical marijuana movement. >> >> > > Marijuana Rx is published by >> >> > > Thunder's Mouth Press.)
Gr8ful Dave wrote: > Perhaps sick people at home trying to get on with whats left of their lives > find it a pain in the ass to drag around an IV drip with them everywhere > they go.
> Jonathan Byrne wrote in message ... > >Lots of sick people can't keep a pill down. Do hospitals give them > >anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips. I'm not a doctor and I > >doubt you are either. If Marijuana was the wonder medicine AMMA claims, > the > >medical establishment would be asking for it. That is not happening. > >Again, it's not a coincidence that people arguing for the medical use of > >Marijuana often support the total legalization of Marijuana.
> >"Gr8ful Dave" <nospamncc17...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >news:o5og5.5508$FJ4.92297@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... > >> Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic effects as > natural > >> THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for medical purposes.Perhaps one > >day > >> when you(or your spouse) get cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to > >save > >> you life you will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you > >> cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
> >> Jonathan Byrne wrote in message > ><8Gng5.1534$xq3.254...@den-news1.rmi.net>... > >> >Don't get me wrong, I certainly wasn't arguing for the legalization of > >THC. > >> >I was just pointing out the absurdity of their stance.
> >> >Jonathan Byrne
> >> >"Garland Hopkins" <garla...@home.com> wrote in message > >> >news:39820148.E54DB6A4@home.com... > >> >> That should be legal too, ..especially for medical purposes. It's hard > >to > >> >> imagine that you would make that legal without decriminalizing the > >plant > >> >also.
> >> >> Jonathan Byrne wrote:
> >> >> > Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting > >the > >> >> > medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and > >> >have > >> >> > nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea > >of > >> >> > administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your > >movement > >> >is > >> >> > medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or > >> tablet > >> >> > form???
> >> >> > "Mark2101" <Mark2...@email.msn.com> wrote in message > >> >> > news:eB$An8#9$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa08... > >> >> > > ******************************************************** > >> >> > > THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION > >> >> > > 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 > >> >> > > Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > >> >> > > E-mail: a...@drugsense.org > >> >> > > Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > >> >> > > ********************************************************
> >> >> > > 7/27/00
> >> >> > > THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
> >> >> > > 1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, > >> >healing > >> >> > > herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic > >> >substances > >> >> > > known to medicine.
> >> >> > > 2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute > >> >> > cannabis > >> >> > > for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva > >> >Convention, > >> >> > UN > >> >> > > Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, > >California > >> >> > > Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit > Court > >> of > >> >> > > Appeals.
> >> >> > > 3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's > >> >willingness > >> >> > to > >> >> > > defend them.
> >> >> > > 4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning > >to > >> >their > >> >> > > lives and hope to countless others. > >> >> > > ***********************************
> >> >> > > Mark "COSMOS" Renfro > >> >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) > >> >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) > >> >> > > a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) > >> >> > > di tli hi = (Warrior) > >> >> > > My Cherokee name.
> >> >> > > "Marijuana clearly has medicinal value. > >> >> > > Thousands of seriously ill Americans have > >> >> > > been able to determine that for themselves, > >> >> > > albeit illegally. Like my own family, these > >> >> > > individuals did not wish to break the law but > >> >> > > they had no choice."
> >> >> > > --Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of > >> >> > > the Republican National Committee
> >> >> > > (Note: The above quote was taken from an > >> >> > > extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx, > >> >> > > by Robert C. Randall, the founder of > >> >> > > the medical marijuana movement. > >> >> > > Marijuana Rx is published by > >> >> > > Thunder's Mouth Press.)
> Perhaps sick people at home trying to get on with whats left of their lives > find it a pain in the ass to drag around an IV drip with them everywhere > they go.
> Jonathan Byrne wrote in message ... > >Lots of sick people can't keep a pill down. Do hospitals give them > >anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips. I'm not a doctor and I > >doubt you are either. If Marijuana was the wonder medicine AMMA claims, > the > >medical establishment would be asking for it. That is not happening. > >Again, it's not a coincidence that people arguing for the medical use of > >Marijuana often support the total legalization of Marijuana.
> >"Gr8ful Dave" <nospamncc17...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >news:o5og5.5508$FJ4.92297@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... > >> Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic effects as > natural > >> THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for medical purposes.Perhaps one > >day > >> when you(or your spouse) get cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to > >save > >> you life you will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you > >> cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
> >> Jonathan Byrne wrote in message > ><8Gng5.1534$xq3.254...@den-news1.rmi.net>... > >> >Don't get me wrong, I certainly wasn't arguing for the legalization of > >THC. > >> >I was just pointing out the absurdity of their stance.
> >> >Jonathan Byrne
> >> >"Garland Hopkins" <garla...@home.com> wrote in message > >> >news:39820148.E54DB6A4@home.com... > >> >> That should be legal too, ..especially for medical purposes. It's hard > >to > >> >> imagine that you would make that legal without decriminalizing the > >plant > >> >also.
> >> >> Jonathan Byrne wrote:
> >> >> > Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting > >the > >> >> > medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and > >> >have > >> >> > nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea > >of > >> >> > administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your > >movement > >> >is > >> >> > medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or > >> tablet > >> >> > form???
> >> >> > "Mark2101" <Mark2...@email.msn.com> wrote in message > >> >> > news:eB$An8#9$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa08... > >> >> > > ******************************************************** > >> >> > > THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION > >> >> > > 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 > >> >> > > Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > >> >> > > E-mail: a...@drugsense.org > >> >> > > Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ > >> >> > > ********************************************************
> >> >> > > 7/27/00
> >> >> > > THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
> >> >> > > 1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, > >> >healing > >> >> > > herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic > >> >substances > >> >> > > known to medicine.
> >> >> > > 2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute > >> >> > cannabis > >> >> > > for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva > >> >Convention, > >> >> > UN > >> >> > > Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, > >California > >> >> > > Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit > Court > >> of > >> >> > > Appeals.
> >> >> > > 3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's > >> >willingness > >> >> > to > >> >> > > defend them.
> >> >> > > 4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning > >to > >> >their > >> >> > > lives and hope to countless others. > >> >> > > ***********************************
> >> >> > > Mark "COSMOS" Renfro > >> >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) > >> >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) > >> >> > > a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) > >> >> > > di tli hi = (Warrior) > >> >> > > My Cherokee name.
> >> >> > > "Marijuana clearly has medicinal value. > >> >> > > Thousands of seriously ill Americans have > >> >> > > been able to determine that for themselves, > >> >> > > albeit illegally. Like my own family, these > >> >> > > individuals did not wish to break the law but > >> >> > > they had no choice."
> >> >> > > --Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of > >> >> > > the Republican National Committee
> >> >> > > (Note: The above quote was taken from an > >> >> > > extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx, > >> >> > > by Robert C. Randall, the founder of > >> >> > > the medical marijuana movement. > >> >> > > Marijuana Rx is published by > >> >> > > Thunder's Mouth Press.)
> In article <o5og5.5508$FJ4.92...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, > Gr8ful Dave <nospamncc17...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic > >effects as natural THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for > >medical purposes.Perhaps one day when you(or your spouse) get > >cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to save you life you > >will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you > >cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
> Awww, come ON now guys. As essentially a libertarian, I of course believe can > use whatever drugs they want.
> BUT - there are, thank goodness, relatively FEW people that need MJ to > offset nnausea. But, at the same time, there appears to be a HUGE public > um, er, "interest" in this subject.
> It is just part of the effort to totally legalize MJ.
> Y'all should cut the crap and admit your true agenda.
I don't think you'll find anyone in "the effort" who will deny this. What makes you think we wouldn't? Pointing out it's medical properties as well as letting people decide for themselves what they want to put in their own bodies has always been the rallying cry for those in "the effort". BTW: I do not fit into your stereotype of person in "the effort". I do not do drugs. But I do see what the WOD is doing to human rights of all kinds. And I especially don't like the police state abuses it is breeding at the hands of the bigots in the WOD. They, and the WOD, is costing U.S. more in human rights as well as money and worst of all lives than the drugs ever could. Those behind the WOD are feeding off of others rights, money and lives and they actually go home and sleep and at night. They are murdering blood sucking leeches and maggots on our society. So, tell me, how do I fit into your stereotype druggy? Y'all should cut the crap and admit your true agenda.
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) di tli hi = (Warrior) My Cherokee name.
"The War on Drugs was never, ever about drugs, it's about bigotry. You can change the law, but changing the prejudice and fear of bigots who hide behind drug war rhetoric is a far more challenging task. It's time to expose the Drug War and the bigots who promote the ideology of "Zero Tolerance."
-- Steve Kubby, 1998 Libertarian candidate for Governor of California
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:07:51 -0600, "Jonathan Byrne"
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote: >Lots of sick people can't keep a pill down. Do hospitals give them >anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips. I'm not a doctor and I >doubt you are either. If Marijuana was the wonder medicine AMMA claims, the >medical establishment would be asking for it. That is not happening. >Again, it's not a coincidence that people arguing for the medical use of >Marijuana often support the total legalization of Marijuana.
Sorry, Johnathan, that is a very naive statement. There are many reasons why you would use MJ instead of an IV. For one thing, the cost. Another, MJ inhaled is the BEST delivery method and that is a quote from government, medical studies. Marinol, the synthetic THC pill does not work for all people, takes time to get into the blood stream and is difficult to keep. down. Smoking MJ relieves nausea instantly and usually only after a few inhalations, where as depending on the amount and severity of the naisea, a pill may not prove enough once it gets into the blood stream. Juit going to the hospital and hooking yourself up to an IV can be cost prohibitive and impracticle. As far as the medical establishment asking for it, do your research first and you will find many medical associations calling for the rescheduling of MJ.
Try not to be a typical anti MJ cynic by using the same old statement about people wanting to legalize it so they can get high. We have a bigger problem with addiction to LEGAL prescription drugs, so are you going to say that the only reason i want to get a prescription for Zoloft is so I can high, instead of trying to treat my acute clinical depression?
My mother suffers from muscular degeneration due to MS and suffers from spasms and pain. Her medication causes sever nausea. The other medication that is used to treat her nausea has a whole other set of adverse side affects. And lets not talk about the cost of these pills. She can take two or three puffs from a MJ cigarette and her spasms decrease and the pain goes away and she is able to then eat, and far cheaper too, without all the hellish side effects. Does my mother fit into your NEAT little category of someone who just "wants to toke up"? Give me a break. She's dying and any release from her pain is far better than pandering to your insipid and banal prejudices.
My Uncle has a fused vertabrae and must take strong painkillers so he can make a living. Ever tried to live day to day with chronic back pain, Johnathan? Its nearly impossible. His pain killer medicine is a narcotic, tightly controlled and has a whole set of adverse side affects such as increaded blood pressure, headaches, and impaired cognitive ability. This is completely legal. He's not grateful the drug is legal because "he wants get high anytime he wants". he has to take the pills to support his children.
Jonathan Byrne wrote in message ... >Let's clear one thing up. Are you a "recreational" drug user?
>Jonathan Byrne
>"Gr8ful Dave" <nospamncc17...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >news:Jtog5.10554$sO2.46085@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... >> Perhaps sick people at home trying to get on with whats left of their >lives >> find it a pain in the ass to drag around an IV drip with them everywhere >> they go.
>> Jonathan Byrne wrote in message ... >> >Lots of sick people can't keep a pill down. Do hospitals give them >> >anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips. I'm not a doctor and I >> >doubt you are either. If Marijuana was the wonder medicine AMMA claims, >> the >> >medical establishment would be asking for it. That is not happening. >> >Again, it's not a coincidence that people arguing for the medical use of >> >Marijuana often support the total legalization of Marijuana.
>> >"Gr8ful Dave" <nospamncc17...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >news:o5og5.5508$FJ4.92297@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... >> >> Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic effects as >> natural >> >> THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for medical purposes.Perhaps one >> >day >> >> when you(or your spouse) get cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to >> >save >> >> you life you will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If >you >> >> cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
>> >> Jonathan Byrne wrote in message >> ><8Gng5.1534$xq3.254...@den-news1.rmi.net>... >> >> >Don't get me wrong, I certainly wasn't arguing for the legalization of >> >THC. >> >> >I was just pointing out the absurdity of their stance.
>> >> >Jonathan Byrne
>> >> >"Garland Hopkins" <garla...@home.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:39820148.E54DB6A4@home.com... >> >> >> That should be legal too, ..especially for medical purposes. It's >hard >> >to >> >> >> imagine that you would make that legal without decriminalizing the >> >plant >> >> >also.
>> >> >> Jonathan Byrne wrote:
>> >> >> > Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers >supporting >> >the >> >> >> > medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic >and >> >> >have >> >> >> > nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The >idea >> >of >> >> >> > administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your >> >movement >> >> >is >> >> >> > medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or >> >> tablet >> >> >> > form???
>> >> >> > "Mark2101" <Mark2...@email.msn.com> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:eB$An8#9$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa08... >> >> >> > > ******************************************************** >> >> >> > > THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION >> >> >> > > 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629 >> >> >> > > Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ >> >> >> > > E-mail: a...@drugsense.org >> >> >> > > Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/ >> >> >> > > ********************************************************
>> >> >> > > 7/27/00
>> >> >> > > THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
>> >> >> > > 1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, >> >> >healing >> >> >> > > herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic >> >> >substances >> >> >> > > known to medicine.
>> >> >> > > 2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and >distribute >> >> >> > cannabis >> >> >> > > for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva >> >> >Convention, >> >> >> > UN >> >> >> > > Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, >> >California >> >> >> > > Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit >> Court >> >> of >> >> >> > > Appeals.
>> >> >> > > 3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's >> >> >willingness >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > > defend them.
>> >> >> > > 4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and >meaning >> >to >> >> >their >> >> >> > > lives and hope to countless others. >> >> >> > > ***********************************
>> >> >> > > Mark "COSMOS" Renfro >> >> >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) >> >> >> > > u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) >> >> >> > > a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) >> >> >> > > di tli hi = (Warrior) >> >> >> > > My Cherokee name.
>> >> >> > > "Marijuana clearly has medicinal value. >> >> >> > > Thousands of seriously ill Americans have >> >> >> > > been able to determine that for themselves, >> >> >> > > albeit illegally. Like my own family, these >> >> >> > > individuals did not wish to break the law but >> >> >> > > they had no choice."
>> >> >> > > --Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of >> >> >> > > the Republican National Committee
>> >> >> > > (Note: The above quote was taken from an >> >> >> > > extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx, >> >> >> > > by Robert C. Randall, the founder of >> >> >> > > the medical marijuana movement. >> >> >> > > Marijuana Rx is published by >> >> >> > > Thunder's Mouth Press.)
Possibly for 'some' medical applications. Maybe for a patient on a lung machine that also can't eat orally or inhale. But how expensive are they to produce, per dosage? How much mj would it take to make a one dose patch versus one inhaled dosage? How effective would these dosages be compared to an inhaled dosage? Actually this question was addressed in chemotherapy patient studies back in the seventies. It was found that inhaling had the quickest and must efficient results. You know, I really think you have problem with the idea that someone might actually enjoy taking their medicine. Did your mother force you to take castor oil?
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) di tli hi = (Warrior) My Cherokee name.
"The War on Drugs was never, ever about drugs, it's about bigotry. You can change the law, but changing the prejudice and fear of bigots who hide behind drug war rhetoric is a far more challenging task. It's time to expose the Drug War and the bigots who promote the ideology of "Zero Tolerance."
-- Steve Kubby, 1998 Libertarian candidate for Governor of California
> Let's clear one thing up. Are you a "recreational" drug user?
Let's clear one thing up. Are you a "recreational" alcohol user?
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) di tli hi = (Warrior) My Cherokee name.
"The War on Drugs was never, ever about drugs, it's about bigotry. You can change the law, but changing the prejudice and fear of bigots who hide behind drug war rhetoric is a far more challenging task. It's time to expose the Drug War and the bigots who promote the ideology of "Zero Tolerance."
-- Steve Kubby, 1998 Libertarian candidate for Governor of California
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:45:27 -0600, "Jonathan Byrne"
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote: >Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting the >medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and have >nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea of >administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your movement is >medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or tablet >form???
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:45:27 -0600, "Jonathan Byrne"
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote: >Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting the >medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and have >nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse.
Yeah. We got to throw all those illegal alcohol abusers in jail.
Prohibition did not end. We just switched drugs..
We got gangs.
We got drivebys.
We got corupt police.
What changed?
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:31:11 -0600, "Jonathan Byrne"
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote: >Don't get me wrong, I certainly wasn't arguing for the legalization of THC. >I was just pointing out the absurdity of their stance.
>Jonathan Byrne
THC is legal. You can buy it at your pharmacy. With a Drs. prescription.
Its a schedule 3 drug.
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> Possibly for 'some' medical applications. Maybe for a patient on a lung > machine that also can't eat orally or inhale. But how expensive are they to > produce, per dosage? How much mj would it take to make a one dose patch > versus one inhaled dosage? How effective would these dosages be compared to > an inhaled dosage? > Actually this question was addressed in chemotherapy patient studies back in > the seventies. It was found that inhaling had the quickest and must > efficient results. > You know, I really think you have problem with the idea that someone might > actually enjoy taking their medicine. Did your mother force you to take > castor oil?
> Mark "COSMOS" Renfro > u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) > u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) > a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) > di tli hi = (Warrior) > My Cherokee name.
> "The War on Drugs was never, ever about drugs, > it's about bigotry. You can change the law, > but changing the prejudice and fear of bigots who hide > behind drug war rhetoric is a far more challenging task. > It's time to expose the Drug War and the bigots who > promote the ideology of "Zero Tolerance."
> -- Steve Kubby, 1998 Libertarian candidate for > Governor of California
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> > Possibly for 'some' medical applications. Maybe for a patient on a lung > > machine that also can't eat orally or inhale. But how expensive are they to > > produce, per dosage? How much mj would it take to make a one dose patch > > versus one inhaled dosage? How effective would these dosages be compared to > > an inhaled dosage? > > Actually this question was addressed in chemotherapy patient studies back in > > the seventies. It was found that inhaling had the quickest and must > > efficient results. > > You know, I really think you have problem with the idea that someone might > > actually enjoy taking their medicine. Did your mother force you to take > > castor oil?
> That was a hostile statement/question.
Yes, I see that now. You know one of the things about the newsgroups is that you can't see facial expressions and hear vocal inflections. It makes it confusing at times. Sorry.
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant) u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining) a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within) di tli hi = (Warrior) My Cherokee name.
"I was born upon the prairie where the wind blew free and there was nothing to break the light of the sun. I was born where there were no enclosures and where everything drew a free breath." "I want to die there, not within walls."
