Virgil, Page 9 of Stephenson, no 5. "rebus" - I have writen here "ablative of separation". Maclennan however posits, "abstulit, from auferre, to remove something (acc.) from something (dat.)"
Do not tell the others, especially Joshua. (The moderator reserves the right to remove any comments relating Joshua if Joshua, of the same divinity as Juptier, requests this).
I know that you might not have time for studying something that may not even be in the test, but the way I see it is that if it IS, we instantly have an advantage over everyone in the class, and also you will need to know it for the HSC anyway so it's not a complete waste of time.
> I know that you might not have time for studying something that may not > even be in the test, but the way I see it is that if it IS, we instantly > have an advantage over everyone in the class, and also you will need to know > it for the HSC anyway so it's not a complete waste of time.
Very good! I think scansion is quite fun actually.
Also the anceps (the last X in the line) is either a long or short, but it doesn't matter which, so it is just marked with an X. I am so glad I figured this out.
By the way, not to fear...I have found my Vergil handout that had gone missing - it was in my English book. Apparently on the last day of term I just shoved all the loose handouts from my locker into my English book, since I also found English Ext and Latin Ext notes in there. Lucky I found them!
I just can't scan...like how do you know whether it's short or long...?
On 7/13/06, Dimitri <cheesymc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very good! I think scansion is quite fun actually.
> Also the anceps (the last X in the line) is either a long or short, but it > doesn't matter which, so it is just marked with an X. I am so glad I figured > this out.
> By the way, not to fear...I have found my Vergil handout that had gone > missing - it was in my English book. Apparently on the last day of term I > just shoved all the loose handouts from my locker into my English book, > since I also found English Ext and Latin Ext notes in there. Lucky I found > them!
On 7/13/06, Adam Arnold <adamarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just can't scan...like how do you know whether it's short or long...?
There are rules! Read the Vergil handout, it is excellent.
For example, when you see a vowel followed by 2 consonants, it is LONG. (apart from the "liquid" sounds r and l) A dipthong (i.e. ae, oe or au) is always LONG. When 2 vowels are next to each other and pronounced separately, the first is always SHORT.
Basically it's like a jigsaw puzzle.
1.First you put in the --U | -X at the end of the line (for Aeneid 6 anyway). 2. The first syllable is long. 3. Look for any cases where the rules above might apply. 4. After that you should have enough filled in to figure out the rest. You know there are going to be 6 feet, so sometimes certain patterns are necessary to fill this requirement, thus narrowing down the options for what is correct.
FOR EXAMPLE if you have filled out everything except for the first 4 syllables of the line, and you ALREADY HAVE 4 FEET, then you know that there will be 2 spondees (--|--) because that's the only combination that will give you 2 feet.
I admit that it is very mathematical but it is possible to get the hang of it, so hang in there.
I don't have time to look at these very good sites in detail because it's just not worth my time.
If someone had to ask me, "could I have done any better" when I get my UAI, the answer would be, "Yes. I could have. I should not have done the subjects I did".
On 7/12/06, Dimitri <cheesymc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know that you might not have time for studying something that may not > even be in the test, but the way I see it is that if it IS, we instantly > have an advantage over everyone in the class, and also you will need to know > it for the HSC anyway so it's not a complete waste of time.
Jesus. Just when I thought you got over this whiny inferiority complex.
I can't believe you would seriously tell me that you can't do scansion and that you're screwed when YOU WON'T EVEN READ THE WEBSITES I SENT YOU.
Here's a hint: if you want to learn something, it's going to take time. If you're not willing to spend the time, then don't give me bullshit about it being beyond you.
I did read the site, I spent ten minutes, and all it suceeded in doing is confusing me because the rules don't apply to Aeneid six and whatsmore, I didn't understand some of the stuff that was there to begin with.
Let's put it into perspective, I can't seriously be expected to spend more than one hour in the next week on scansion, it's just unreasonable.
On 7/13/06, Dimitri <cheesymc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jesus. Just when I thought you got over this whiny inferiority complex.
> I can't believe you would seriously tell me that you can't do scansion and > that you're screwed when YOU WON'T EVEN READ THE WEBSITES I SENT YOU.
> Here's a hint: if you want to learn something, it's going to take time. If > you're not willing to spend the time, then don't give me bullshit about it > being beyond you.
I just can't help but be negative when I see no way out.
I'm sorry. It's not a personal attack on you. I'm just frustrated. I'm going to spend 15 minutes or so tomorrow on that quiz site and see what I can do...if that fails and I get it all wrong, then I'll know there's no chance
On 7/13/06, Adam Arnold <adamarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I did read the site, I spent ten minutes, and all it suceeded in doing is > confusing me because the rules don't apply to Aeneid six and whatsmore, I > didn't understand some of the stuff that was there to begin with.
> Let's put it into perspective, I can't seriously be expected to spend more > than one hour in the next week on scansion, it's just unreasonable.
> On 7/13/06, Dimitri <cheesymc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Jesus. Just when I thought you got over this whiny inferiority complex.
> > I can't believe you would seriously tell me that you can't do scansion > > and that you're screwed when YOU WON'T EVEN READ THE WEBSITES I SENT YOU.
> > Here's a hint: if you want to learn something, it's going to take time. > > If you're not willing to spend the time, then don't give me bullshit about > > it being beyond you.
> On 7/13/06, Adam Arnold <adamarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I did read the site, I spent ten minutes, and all it suceeded in doing > > is confusing me because the rules don't apply to Aeneid six and whatsmore, I > > didn't understand some of the stuff that was there to begin with.
Are we reading the same website here?
Maybe you mean that the rules aren't specific to Aeneid 6 (in that case read the handout that Mr Charles gave us on Scansion in Aeneid 6), but the rules CERTAINLY apply. These rules ALWAYS apply!
Please, listen to my final plea. Stop this insanity. Don't spend however long trying to scan a line or do a practice of it when you DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Instead spend that time reading it carefully, maybe make a list of the rules to remember and try to make sense of what you are reading. Stop feeling sorry for yourself when you waste time attempting to scan, and getting frustrated as a result, when you can spend that time overcoming the initial hurdle of understanding what you are reading.
Ok?
Please excuse the caps locks, but this is really important and I just hope you are getting the message.
> On 7/13/06, Adam Arnold <adamarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I did read the site, I spent ten minutes, and all it suceeded in doing > > > is confusing me because the rules don't apply to Aeneid six and whatsmore, I > > > didn't understand some of the stuff that was there to begin with.
> Are we reading the same website here?
> Maybe you mean that the rules aren't specific to Aeneid 6 (in that case > read the handout that Mr Charles gave us on Scansion in Aeneid 6), but the > rules CERTAINLY apply. These rules ALWAYS apply!
> Please, listen to my final plea. Stop this insanity. Don't spend however > long trying to scan a line or do a practice of it when you DON'T UNDERSTAND > WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Instead spend that time reading it carefully, maybe make > a list of the rules to remember and try to make sense of what you are > reading. Stop feeling sorry for yourself when you waste time attempting to > scan, and getting frustrated as a result, when you can spend that time > overcoming the initial hurdle of understanding what you are reading.
> Ok?
> Please excuse the caps locks, but this is really important and I just hope > you are getting the message.
Don't reply to any of my e-mails that I send during the day. I have a tight timetable tomorrow every minute is accounted for, with breaks.
The computer should not be accessed until 5pm.
I am going to get done a 2U Maths Paper, a Modern History Essay, Cover the last two Virgil passages for memorisation purposes and do a powerplay essay!
I reckon I'll get it all done as long as the computer doesn't go on...
Gnite
On 7/14/06, Adam Arnold <adamarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tomorrow I shall tell you something Shteve said which was very funny.
> On 7/13/06, Dimitri < cheesymc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 7/13/06, Adam Arnold <adamarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I did read the site, I spent ten minutes, and all it suceeded in > > > > doing is confusing me because the rules don't apply to Aeneid six and > > > > whatsmore, I didn't understand some of the stuff that was there to begin > > > > with.
> > Are we reading the same website here?
> > Maybe you mean that the rules aren't specific to Aeneid 6 (in that case > > read the handout that Mr Charles gave us on Scansion in Aeneid 6), but the > > rules CERTAINLY apply. These rules ALWAYS apply!
> > Please, listen to my final plea. Stop this insanity. Don't spend however > > long trying to scan a line or do a practice of it when you DON'T UNDERSTAND > > WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Instead spend that time reading it carefully, maybe make > > a list of the rules to remember and try to make sense of what you are > > reading. Stop feeling sorry for yourself when you waste time attempting to > > scan, and getting frustrated as a result, when you can spend that time > > overcoming the initial hurdle of understanding what you are reading.
> > Ok?
> > Please excuse the caps locks, but this is really important and I just > > hope you are getting the message.
> Don't reply to any of my e-mails that I send during the day. I have a > tight timetable tomorrow every minute is accounted for, with breaks.
> The computer should not be accessed until 5pm.
> I am going to get done a 2U Maths Paper, a Modern History Essay, Cover the > last two Virgil passages for memorisation purposes and do a powerplay essay!
> I reckon I'll get it all done as long as the computer doesn't go on...
> Gnite
> On 7/14/06, Adam Arnold < adamarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'll give it a go.
> > Tomorrow I shall tell you something Shteve said which was very funny.
> > On 7/13/06, Dimitri < cheesymc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 7/13/06, Adam Arnold < adamarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I did read the site, I spent ten minutes, and all it suceeded in > > > > > doing is confusing me because the rules don't apply to Aeneid six and > > > > > whatsmore, I didn't understand some of the stuff that was there to begin > > > > > with.
> > > Are we reading the same website here?
> > > Maybe you mean that the rules aren't specific to Aeneid 6 (in that > > > case read the handout that Mr Charles gave us on Scansion in Aeneid 6), but > > > the rules CERTAINLY apply. These rules ALWAYS apply!
> > > Please, listen to my final plea. Stop this insanity. Don't spend > > > however long trying to scan a line or do a practice of it when you DON'T > > > UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Instead spend that time reading it carefully, > > > maybe make a list of the rules to remember and try to make sense of what you > > > are reading. Stop feeling sorry for yourself when you waste time attempting > > > to scan, and getting frustrated as a result, when you can spend that time > > > overcoming the initial hurdle of understanding what you are reading.
> > > Ok?
> > > Please excuse the caps locks, but this is really important and I just > > > hope you are getting the message.
