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Pablo Aravena  
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From: Pablo Aravena <paraven...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:48:38 -0800
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Subject: Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) Re: [Proto-Scripty] Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?

Hi buda

I think there will be no new releases of prototype in the near future. That
is sad, but some months ago I began looking at CoffeScript and I began
thinking that it will be the natural replace for prototype library. Also
many of the original creators of the prototype library are working on that
project.

See this presentation:

https://sstephenson.s3.amazonaws.com/presentations/fowa-2011-coffeesc...

Saludos
Pablo

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> Who knows when is early code ver.2.0 of the library will appear?

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Discussion subject changed to "Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?" by buda
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From: buda <www...@pochta.ru>
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:57:55 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?
But it's only new syntax sugar - not framework like Prototype with
many features!!

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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:05:56 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?
I'm vary sad - I have to migarte on jQuery (((

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Discussion subject changed to "Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) Re: [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?" by Pablo Aravena
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Subject: Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) Re: [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?

Is an object oriented language, and you can combine it with a selector
engine like jquery. I think is a good match for a migration, just my point
of view.

Regards
Pablo

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Subject: Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) Re: [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?

Take a look at RightJS <http://rightjs.org/> - it is very close to
Prototype+Scripty, and (still) has very operative support at Google groups<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=ru&pli=1#%21forum/rightjs>

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Subject: Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) Re: [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?
CoffeeScript is nothing more than a compact and terse programming language to generate JavaScript. Think of it as HAML for JavaScript. When you use CoffeeScript, it gets compiled into JavaScript before it is served to the browser. It's not a framework, although there are some goodies to make certain constructions less painful to write, in the end, those painful constructions are generated in full (I'm looking at you, for loops).

In contrast, Prototype extends the JavaScript language to give it those terse methods that we love, and under the hood, actually writes a whole shed-load of compatibility shims so we don't have to write such defensive code, even when faced with the beast that is IE. There is nothing like that in CoffeeScript.

Walter

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Discussion subject changed to "Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?" by Jelks
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:58:13 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?
Thank you for that Victor, RightJS looks really cool.  Just looking at
the docs, it *feels* like Prototype, but it seems to go way further.
I hadn't even heard about it before.  Thank you!!!

Jelks

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> Take a look at RightJS <http://rightjs.org/> - it is very close to
> Prototype+Scripty, and (still) has very operative support at Google groups<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=ru&pli=1#%21forum/rightjs>

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Also CoffeeScript sometimes generates very ugly code. Example:

CoffeeScript:
SelectParser.select_to_array = (select) ->
  parser = new SelectParser()
  parser.add_node( child ) for child in select.childNodes
  parser.parsed

Generated JavaScript:
  SelectParser.select_to_array = function(select) {
    var child, parser, _i, _len, _ref;
    parser = new SelectParser();
    _ref = select.childNodes;
    for (_i = 0, _len = _ref.length; _i < _len; _i++) {
      child = _ref[_i];
      parser.add_node(child);
    }
    return parser.parsed;
  };

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Other than the unnecessary assignment to `child`, doesn't look that
bad to me... How would you improve it?
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Subject: Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?

1. Declaration with value assignment
2. Declare loop variables and cache length inside of for() - this can
increase performance <http://jsperf.com/caching-array-length/67> - caching
length outside of for() is slower in almost all results (all Firefox and
Safari, IE9 and some Chrome results)
3. Unnecessary return values

Example can be rewritten as:
  SelectParser.select_to_array = function(select) {
    var parser = new SelectParser(), _ref = select.childNodes;
    for (var _i = 0, _len = _ref.length; _i < _len; _i++) {
      parser.add_node(_ref[_i]);
    }
    return parser.parsed;
  };

yet another real example:

CoffeeScript (with use of Prototype):
class Chosen extends AbstractChosen
...  
  no_results_clear: ->
    nr = null
    nr.remove() while nr = @search_results.down(".no-results")

CoffeeScript translated to JavaScript:
    Chosen.prototype.no_results_clear = function() {
      var nr, _results;
      nr = null;
      _results = [];
      while (nr = this.search_results.down(".no-results")) {
        _results.push(nr.remove());
      }
      return _results;
    };

and pure JavaScript:
var Chosen = Class.create(AbstractChosen, {
...
  no_results_clear: function() {
    this.search_results.select(".no-results").invoke("remove");
  },
...

});

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Discussion subject changed to "Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) Re: [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?" by Phil Petree
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From: Phil Petree <phil.pet...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:18:48 -0500
Local: Thurs, Dec 1 2011 9:18 am
Subject: Go To ( http://adf.ly/20PrE )-)-) Re: [Proto-Scripty] Re: Where is ver. 2.0 is coming?

Hysterical!!!  Thanks for that laugh!!!
On Dec 1, 2011 9:01 AM, "Victor" <vkhomyac...@gmail.com> wrote:

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