Server purchase

[Erwin Harte]

I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,
say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come
recommended by the list readers.

My basic requirements:
- 1u rack mountable
- Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps)
- Serial port
- SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA)
- Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad

The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course
limits things a bit.

In the past we've used the Supermicro 5015P-TR (FSB 1066/800, Memory
DDRII 667/533) but we'd like to move on to something a bit more
current. Aside from not knowing who may come recommended, it doesn't
help that there are so -many- options.

Suggestions?

Erwin

[Kyle Hutson]

> My basic requirements:
> - 1u rack mountable
> - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps)
> - Serial port
> - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA)
> - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
>
> The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course
> limits things a bit.

For whitebox servers, I'd say stick to SuperMicro or Intel. 1U hasn't
been a requirement for anything I've done for awhile, so I don't know
what their current offerings are that fit this.

However, have you looked at these guys?
http://www.stikc.com/Catalog/1U-Rackmounts (the PowerEdge 1950's in
particular)

They're used, but pretty nice server-class hardware for a very
reasonable price. We've bought quite a bit from them and have been very
pleased.

[Kit Peters]

Cody! Cody who was at stdbev.com! What's the outfit we bought Smeagol from?

There was an outfit that Cody was very keen on and whose name
completely escapes me that sold Supermicro boxen at a reasonable
price.

KP

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[Nick Anderson]

You might want to checkout advanced clustering or microtek both are
localish.

[Glenn Robuck]

We've begun using Dell's R410 units recently and love them.  Our specs are a bit higher than what you list, but this is what I built off of their site:

1u (shallow depth)
Dual Gig Ethernet built in
Serial port
Dual 300GB Sata Drives
Single Xeon E5502 1.86GHz
3GB DDR3 1066 RAM
Sliding Rails
Single Power Supply (Redundant +299)
DVD+-RW
1Yr 5x10 HW only warranty NBD parts

$1277

I know for a fact that if you order 10 or more at a time you can negotiate savings off of that.  We use the E5530 CPU in our configs and see a HUGE performance increase of the Core architecture CPUs.  To go to the E5530 you'd add $450 to the price.  You could go to the E5520 for $250 though.

You can't build them on their site, but we used to use Penguin Computing servers and found them decent.

Glenn

[Scott Kahler]

I'd second taking a look at Stallard/stikc. If you don't live off the
smell of a freshly unboxed server, they have some pretty good deals.
Plus they are in town (159 and Metcalf).

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[Jeff Collins]

you can get an IBM 1U for that or less... and a quad core Lenovo Think server 1u for about that ($1500 or less)

 

Jeff

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From: Scott Kahler <scott....@gmail.com>
To: kul...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:57:13 PM
Subject: [KULUA] Re: Server purchase

[Seth Galitzer]

I'll somewhat second that emotion. I've come to the conclusion that
whitebox does not save you any money in the long run. It may be cheaper
upfront, but with a tier-1 OEM, you get better quality components and
better support. I'm sure everybody has their own favorite mom-and-pop
shop that they will argue with me about, and you guys who still like to
build all your boxes from scratch. Myself, I don't like to hobby at
work. I've been only buying Sun hardware since I started in this job,
getting rid of all the old whitebox crap, and it's some of the
best-damn-engineered hardware I've ever seen. If something breaks,
which rarely happens, I make a phone call, and a tech or replacement
part comes to my door in a day or two. Pick any top-tier vendor (HP,
IBM, Sun, Dell, etc.) and go with them. Your boss will like you for it.

Seth

Jeff Collins wrote:
> you can get an IBM 1U for that or less... and a quad core Lenovo Think
> server 1u for about that ($1500 or less)
>
>
> Jeff
>
>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Scott Kahler <scott....@gmail.com>
> *To:* kul...@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:57:13 PM
> *Subject:* [KULUA] Re: Server purchase

>
>
> I'd second taking a look at Stallard/stikc. If you don't live off the
> smell of a freshly unboxed server, they have some pretty good deals.
> Plus they are in town (159 and Metcalf).
>
>
>
> On 10/14/09, Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com <mailto:joc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,

>> say, Newegg.com <http://newegg.com/> and Amazon.com
> <http://amazon.com/>, within my budget (for work), and come

>> recommended by the list readers.
>>
>> My basic requirements:
>> - 1u rack mountable
>> - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps)
>> - Serial port
>> - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA)
>> - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
>>
>> The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course
>> limits things a bit.
>>
>> In the past we've used the Supermicro 5015P-TR (FSB 1066/800, Memory
>> DDRII 667/533) but we'd like to move on to something a bit more
>> current. Aside from not knowing who may come recommended, it doesn't
>> help that there are so -many- options.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Erwin
>>
>> >
>>
>
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>

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The beatings will continue until morale has improved.

[Jeff Collins]

Erwin,

 

This would be the IBM x3250.  Lenovo think server would be less I think.  This one has 5gb of ram (I didn't remove the 2x512dimms that are standard) and 2z160GB Simple Swap SATA drives.

 

Discounted would come under the $1500 target.

 

Thanks

Jeff

 

 

 

Standalone Solutions Configuration Tool

Price File: 10/11/09

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Description                                                                                         |Part No.       |Quan|List Price                         |List Price                         |Adjusted Price                     |Adjusted Price                     |
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Config 1                                                                                            |               |    |                                   |                                   |                                   |                                   |
x3250 M2, Core 2 Duo DC E7400 2.8GHz/1066MHz /3MB L2, 2x512MB, O/Bay 3.5in SS SATA, CD-RW/DVD Combo,|4190CDU        |   1|                       USD 1,109.00|                       USD 1,109.00|                       USD 1,109.00|                       USD 1,109.00|
4GB (2x2GB) PC2-5300 CL5 ECC DDR2 SDRAM DIMM Memory Kit                                             |41Y2732        |   1|                         USD 199.00|                         USD 199.00|                         USD 199.00|                         USD 199.00|
IBM 160GB 3.5in 7.2K SS SATA HDD                                                                    |39M4504        |   2|                         USD 109.00|                         USD 218.00|                         USD 109.00|                         USD 218.00|
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                                                                                                    |               |    |                             Total:|                       USD 1,526.00|                             Total:|                       USD 1,526.00|
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Jeffrey S Collins
913-764-3123 home
913-768-8484 office
913-710-5530 mobile

office email    jcol...@brytechinc.com
home email    kansasjeff@sbcglobal..net

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From: Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com>
To: Jeff Collins <okkeyl...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:31:50 PM
Subject: Re: [KULUA] Re: Server purchase

Jeff Collins wrote:
> Erwin,  I'm in the KULUA users group and saw your note about a server.
> Please read through this... I can actually discount in a small way from
> this pricing.  Please let me know if you'd like a formal quote.  I don't
> mind showing my quotes from my distributor, so that you can show your
> company you're not getting taken for a ride.  I generally try to make
> 5-6 points margin on IBM System X servers.

Not quite ready for a formal quote, let me ask a question or two first:

I realize I didn't mention this in my original email to KULUA, but I
would want at least 4GB of RAM (running multiple VMs on the machine).
How would that change things, assuming there are more convenient
memory sizes at different price points?

What's the next step down with respect to the HDD sizes?

Thanks in advance,
Erwin

> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> You can get an IBM 1u for that price, 2 drives, 1u rack, 2gb ram, 1yr
> onsite service by IBM.  I sell them for an IBM business partner.  I'm in
> Olathe, KS.  This one lists at $1497.00 before any discount.
> 
> 4190CDU     x3250 M2, Core 2 Duo DC E7400 2.8GHz/1066MHz /3MB L2, 2x512MB,
> O/Bay 3.5in SS SATA, CD-RW/DVD Combo, 351W p/s, Rack     1     USD 1,109.00
> USD 1,109.00
> 41Y2726     512MB DDR2 667 SDRAM DIMM Memory     2     USD 55.00     USD 110.00
>     Internal Storage            
> 39M4508     IBM 250GB 3.5in 7.2K SS SATA HDD     2     USD 139.00     USD 278.00
>                
>                
>
> The System x3250 M2 server includes:
>
>    * Ultrathin, rack-optimized, 1U high with 351-watt power supply
>
>    * Choice of Intel processors:
>          o Intel Celeron 440
>          o Pentium dual-core E5300
>          o Core 2 Duo E7400
>
>    * Standard 1 GB of 800 MHz PC2-6400 CL6 ECC DDR2 800 MHz DIMM system
>      memory; 8 GB(2) maximum
>
>    * Serial-ATA (SATA) controllers that support high-speed, internal
>      disk storage solutions
>
>    * Two PCI-Express x8 slots
>
>    * Three drive bays: One slim SATA optical drive and two 3.5-inch HDDs
>
>    * 351-watt, voltage-sensing power supply
>
>    * Integrated, dual Gigabit Ethernet controllers; dual-channel SATA
>
>    * Four USB ports, two Ethernet ports, one serial port, and one video
>      port
>
>             Total     USD 1,497.00
>
>
> */Jeffrey S Collins/*
> 913-764-3123 home
> 913-768-8484 office
> 913-710-5530 mobile
>
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> <mailto:kansa...@sbcglobal.net>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
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> *From:* Nick Anderson <ni...@anders0n.net>
> *To:* "kul...@googlegroups.com" <kul...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:33:51 PM

> *Subject:* [KULUA] Re: Server purchase
>
>

> You might want to checkout advanced clustering or microtek both are
> localish.
>

> On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com

> <mailto:joc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,

>> say, Newegg.com <http://newegg..com/> and Amazon.com

[Paul Espinosa]

With Dell's Gold support I've literally had a replacement part in my
hands within 4 hours.

[glawson]

Sun Fire X2100 w/ 1 dual core Opteron ----- $945.00
Add memory -------------------------------- $100.00
Add 2 HD ---------------------------------- $200.00
Add DVD (external OK) --------------------- $100.00
________________________________________________________
Approx total ------------------------------$1345.00

Add a second Opteron CPU later, add the Sun DVD later...

http://www.govconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8817744

I have one decked out almost exactly like the one above which has been running Suse Server for several years with exactly 0 problems.

--
Greg Lawson
Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
1912 N. Belt Highway
St. Joseph, MO 64506

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Erwin Harte" <joc...@gmail.com>
To: kul...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:51:22 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [KULUA] Server purchase

I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,

say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come

[Glenn Robuck]

On both Dell's and IBMs site you can do a build comparison.  Everytime we go through the process Dell comes out better.  We've been using dell for 6 years and their build quality is, IMO, better than IBM or HP.  Service is great and I don't have to deal with building anything myself.  Well worth it.

The R series with the nehalem processors blow any other server out of the water that are not running nehalem.

You can build even smaller machines than the one I shared.  Just stick with the nehalem processors (5500 series) and go crazy.  You can actually get these servers for under $1000 depending on your required specs.

Glenn

[Karl Schmidt]

I would look for a Tyan MB with registered memory if this is for real server...

I used to buy the cheap stuff -- always cost me me in the long run.

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Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com
3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089
Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434

Merchandise offered without price,
is sure to cost more than it is worth. -kps

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[Jeff Collins]

if you go Dell, put your cart together and send it to a Dell partner... he should be able to beat the web pricing.   I have in many cases. At least let the Dell partner price it as confirmation of your price.

 

We sell IBM, HP, Dell on the server side.
 

Jeffrey S Collins
913-764-3123 home
913-768-8484 office
913-710-5530 mobile

office email    jcol...@brytechinc.com
home email    kansa...@sbcglobal.net

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From: Glenn Robuck <techra...@gmail.com>
To: kul...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:56:30 PM

Subject: [KULUA] Re: Server purchase

[Glenn Robuck]

Yeah, several partners can beat standard web pricing, I would definately use a partner to buy from Dell.  If your in Olathe area NIS (Network Integration Services) get pretty good pricing.  They can't touch our premier pricing, but they are one of the better partner pricing we've seen.  Partner pricing is based on purchase amount of the partners, so it pays to shop around.

Glenn

[Eric Wilhelm]

# from Erwin Harte
# on Wednesday 14 October 2009 09:51:

>My basic requirements:
>...

You forgot the 80+ rated power supply. Some people mentioned
Dell/IBM/Sun/etc ... are any of those shipping with the high-efficiency
PSU lately?

--Eric
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[Glenn Robuck]

All of the R series are 80 or better.  The R710 & R410's we run are 91%.

Glenn

[Erwin Harte]

Erwin Harte wrote:
> I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,
> say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come
> recommended by the list readers.

[...]
> Suggestions?

Thank you all for the on/off-list responses! Now to weigh the
different options and pick one. :)

Erwin

[reverber]

On Oct 15, 9:22 am, Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Erwin Harte wrote:
> > I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,
> > say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come
> > recommended by the list readers.
> [...]
> > Suggestions?

At Standard Beverage, back before it became a Dell/Windows house, we
purchased extensively from http://www.abmx.com/ . They would even ship
with Debian installed. They came in really handy once when we needed a
replacement the next day for a box that had gone belly up.

Cody
(Hi, Kit. I, too have joined the ranks of ex-SBC employees)

[Kit Peters]

THANK YOU!  "ABMX" is the outfit I was thinking of.  And sorry to hear you left SBC, Cody, unless you wanted to, in which case, congratulations. :)

KP