I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than, say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come recommended by the list readers.
My basic requirements: - 1u rack mountable - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps) - Serial port - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA) - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course limits things a bit.
In the past we've used the Supermicro 5015P-TR (FSB 1066/800, Memory DDRII 667/533) but we'd like to move on to something a bit more current. Aside from not knowing who may come recommended, it doesn't help that there are so -many- options.
> My basic requirements: > - 1u rack mountable > - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps) > - Serial port > - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA) > - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
> The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course > limits things a bit.
For whitebox servers, I'd say stick to SuperMicro or Intel. 1U hasn't been a requirement for anything I've done for awhile, so I don't know what their current offerings are that fit this.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:18, Kyle Hutson <K...@nrg-inc.com> wrote:
>> My basic requirements:
>> - 1u rack mountable
>> - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps)
>> - Serial port
>> - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA)
>> - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
>> The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course
>> limits things a bit.
> For whitebox servers, I'd say stick to SuperMicro or Intel. 1U hasn't
> been a requirement for anything I've done for awhile, so I don't know
> what their current offerings are that fit this.
> I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,
> say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come
> recommended by the list readers.
> My basic requirements:
> - 1u rack mountable
> - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps)
> - Serial port
> - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA)
> - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
> The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course
> limits things a bit.
> In the past we've used the Supermicro 5015P-TR (FSB 1066/800, Memory
> DDRII 667/533) but we'd like to move on to something a bit more
> current. Aside from not knowing who may come recommended, it doesn't
> help that there are so -many- options.
We've begun using Dell's R410 units recently and love them. Our specs are a
bit higher than what you list, but this is what I built off of their site:
1u (shallow depth)
Dual Gig Ethernet built in
Serial port
Dual 300GB Sata Drives
Single Xeon E5502 1.86GHz
3GB DDR3 1066 RAM
Sliding Rails
Single Power Supply (Redundant +299)
DVD+-RW
1Yr 5x10 HW only warranty NBD parts
$1277
I know for a fact that if you order 10 or more at a time you can negotiate
savings off of that. We use the E5530 CPU in our configs and see a HUGE
performance increase of the Core architecture CPUs. To go to the E5530
you'd add $450 to the price. You could go to the E5520 for $250 though.
You can't build them on their site, but we used to use Penguin Computing
servers and found them decent.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,
> say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come
> recommended by the list readers.
> My basic requirements:
> - 1u rack mountable
> - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps)
> - Serial port
> - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA)
> - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
> The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course
> limits things a bit.
> In the past we've used the Supermicro 5015P-TR (FSB 1066/800, Memory
> DDRII 667/533) but we'd like to move on to something a bit more
> current. Aside from not knowing who may come recommended, it doesn't
> help that there are so -many- options.
I'd second taking a look at Stallard/stikc. If you don't live off the
smell of a freshly unboxed server, they have some pretty good deals.
Plus they are in town (159 and Metcalf).
On 10/14/09, Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,
> say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come
> recommended by the list readers.
> My basic requirements:
> - 1u rack mountable
> - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps)
> - Serial port
> - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA)
> - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
> The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course
> limits things a bit.
> In the past we've used the Supermicro 5015P-TR (FSB 1066/800, Memory
> DDRII 667/533) but we'd like to move on to something a bit more
> current. Aside from not knowing who may come recommended, it doesn't
> help that there are so -many- options.
you can get an IBM 1U for that or less... and a quad core Lenovo Think server 1u for about that ($1500 or less)
Jeff
________________________________
From: Scott Kahler <scott.kah...@gmail.com>
To: kulua-l@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:57:13 PM
Subject: [KULUA] Re: Server purchase
I'd second taking a look at Stallard/stikc. If you don't live off the
smell of a freshly unboxed server, they have some pretty good deals.
Plus they are in town (159 and Metcalf)..
On 10/14/09, Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,
> say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come
> recommended by the list readers.
> My basic requirements:
> - 1u rack mountable
> - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps)
> - Serial port
> - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA)
> - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
> The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course
> limits things a bit.
> In the past we've used the Supermicro 5015P-TR (FSB 1066/800, Memory
> DDRII 667/533) but we'd like to move on to something a bit more
> current. Aside from not knowing who may come recommended, it doesn't
> help that there are so -many- options.
I'll somewhat second that emotion. I've come to the conclusion that whitebox does not save you any money in the long run. It may be cheaper upfront, but with a tier-1 OEM, you get better quality components and better support. I'm sure everybody has their own favorite mom-and-pop shop that they will argue with me about, and you guys who still like to build all your boxes from scratch. Myself, I don't like to hobby at work. I've been only buying Sun hardware since I started in this job, getting rid of all the old whitebox crap, and it's some of the best-damn-engineered hardware I've ever seen. If something breaks, which rarely happens, I make a phone call, and a tech or replacement part comes to my door in a day or two. Pick any top-tier vendor (HP, IBM, Sun, Dell, etc.) and go with them. Your boss will like you for it.
Jeff Collins wrote: > you can get an IBM 1U for that or less... and a quad core Lenovo Think > server 1u for about that ($1500 or less)
> Jeff
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Scott Kahler <scott.kah...@gmail.com> > *To:* kulua-l@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:57:13 PM > *Subject:* [KULUA] Re: Server purchase
> I'd second taking a look at Stallard/stikc. If you don't live off the > smell of a freshly unboxed server, they have some pretty good deals. > Plus they are in town (159 and Metcalf).
> On 10/14/09, Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com <mailto:joc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than, >> say, Newegg.com <http://newegg.com/> and Amazon.com > <http://amazon.com/>, within my budget (for work), and come >> recommended by the list readers.
>> My basic requirements: >> - 1u rack mountable >> - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps) >> - Serial port >> - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA) >> - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
>> The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course >> limits things a bit.
>> In the past we've used the Supermicro 5015P-TR (FSB 1066/800, Memory >> DDRII 667/533) but we'd like to move on to something a bit more >> current. Aside from not knowing who may come recommended, it doesn't >> help that there are so -many- options.
This would be the IBM x3250. Lenovo think server would be less I think. This one has 5gb of ram (I didn't remove the 2x512dimms that are standard) and 2z160GB Simple Swap SATA drives.
Jeffrey S Collins 913-764-3123 home
913-768-8484 office
913-710-5530 mobile
office email jcoll...@brytechinc.com
home email kansasj...@sbcglobal.net
________________________________
From: Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com>
To: Jeff Collins <okkeylink...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:31:50 PM
Subject: Re: [KULUA] Re: Server purchase
Jeff Collins wrote:
> Erwin, I'm in the KULUA users group and saw your note about a server. > Please read through this... I can actually discount in a small way from
> this pricing. Please let me know if you'd like a formal quote. I don't
> mind showing my quotes from my distributor, so that you can show your
> company you're not getting taken for a ride. I generally try to make
> 5-6 points margin on IBM System X servers.
Not quite ready for a formal quote, let me ask a question or two first:
I realize I didn't mention this in my original email to KULUA, but I
would want at least 4GB of RAM (running multiple VMs on the machine).
How would that change things, assuming there are more convenient
memory sizes at different price points?
What's the next step down with respect to the HDD sizes?
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
> > You can get an IBM 1u for that price, 2 drives, 1u rack, 2gb ram, 1yr
> onsite service by IBM. I sell them for an IBM business partner. I'm in
> Olathe, KS. This one lists at $1497.00 before any discount.
> > 4190CDU x3250 M2, Core 2 Duo DC E7400 2.8GHz/1066MHz /3MB L2, 2x512MB,
> O/Bay 3.5in SS SATA, CD-RW/DVD Combo, 351W p/s, Rack 1 USD 1,109.00
> USD 1,109.00
> 41Y2726 512MB DDR2 667 SDRAM DIMM Memory 2 USD 55.00 USD 110.00
> Internal Storage > 39M4508 IBM 250GB 3.5in 7.2K SS SATA HDD 2 USD 139.00 USD 278.00
> >
> The System x3250 M2 server includes:
> * Ultrathin, rack-optimized, 1U high with 351-watt power supply
> * Choice of Intel processors:
> o Intel Celeron 440
> o Pentium dual-core E5300
> o Core 2 Duo E7400
> * Standard 1 GB of 800 MHz PC2-6400 CL6 ECC DDR2 800 MHz DIMM system
> memory; 8 GB(2) maximum
> * Serial-ATA (SATA) controllers that support high-speed, internal
> disk storage solutions
> * Two PCI-Express x8 slots
> * Three drive bays: One slim SATA optical drive and two 3.5-inch HDDs
> * 351-watt, voltage-sensing power supply
> * Integrated, dual Gigabit Ethernet controllers; dual-channel SATA
> * Four USB ports, two Ethernet ports, one serial port, and one video
> port
> Total USD 1,497.00
> */Jeffrey S Collins/*
> 913-764-3123 home
> 913-768-8484 office
> 913-710-5530 mobile
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Nick Anderson <n...@anders0n.net>
> *To:* "kulua-l@googlegroups.com" <kulua-l@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:33:51 PM
> *Subject:* [KULUA] Re: Server purchase
> You might want to checkout advanced clustering or microtek both are > localish.
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com
> <mailto:joc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,
>> say, Newegg.com <http://newegg.com/> and Amazon.com
> <http://amazon.com/>, within my budget (for work), and come
>> recommended by the list readers.
>> My basic requirements:
>> - 1u rack mountable
>> - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps)
>> - Serial port
>> - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA)
>> - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
>> The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course
>> limits things a bit.
>> In the past we've used the Supermicro 5015P-TR (FSB 1066/800, Memory
>> DDRII 667/533) but we'd like to move on
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Seth Galitzer <sethg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll somewhat second that emotion. I've come to the conclusion that > whitebox does not save you any money in the long run. It may be cheaper > upfront, but with a tier-1 OEM, you get better quality components and > better support. I'm sure everybody has their own favorite mom-and-pop > shop that they will argue with me about, and you guys who still like to > build all your boxes from scratch. Myself, I don't like to hobby at > work. I've been only buying Sun hardware since I started in this job, > getting rid of all the old whitebox crap, and it's some of the > best-damn-engineered hardware I've ever seen. If something breaks, > which rarely happens, I make a phone call, and a tech or replacement > part comes to my door in a day or two. Pick any top-tier vendor (HP, > IBM, Sun, Dell, etc.) and go with them. Your boss will like you for it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Harte" <joc...@gmail.com> To: kulua-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:51:22 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [KULUA] Server purchase
I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than, say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come recommended by the list readers.
My basic requirements: - 1u rack mountable - Dual ethernet (100/1000 Mbps) - Serial port - SATA 300 (2, more is nice but unnecessary unless it has no ATA) - Intel Xeon, Core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad
The budget is $1500 (to include a CPU, RAM and HDs), which of course limits things a bit.
In the past we've used the Supermicro 5015P-TR (FSB 1066/800, Memory DDRII 667/533) but we'd like to move on to something a bit more current. Aside from not knowing who may come recommended, it doesn't help that there are so -many- options.
On both Dell's and IBMs site you can do a build comparison. Everytime we go through the process Dell comes out better. We've been using dell for 6 years and their build quality is, IMO, better than IBM or HP. Service is great and I don't have to deal with building anything myself. Well worth it.
The R series with the nehalem processors blow any other server out of the water that are not running nehalem.
You can build even smaller machines than the one I shared. Just stick with the nehalem processors (5500 series) and go crazy. You can actually get these servers for under $1000 depending on your required specs.
I would look for a Tyan MB with registered memory if this is for real server...
I used to buy the cheap stuff -- always cost me me in the long run.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Karl Schmidt EMail K...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434
Merchandise offered without price, is sure to cost more than it is worth. -kps
if you go Dell, put your cart together and send it to a Dell partner... he should be able to beat the web pricing. I have in many cases. At least let the Dell partner price it as confirmation of your price.
We sell IBM, HP, Dell on the server side.
Jeffrey S Collins 913-764-3123 home
913-768-8484 office
913-710-5530 mobile
office email jcoll...@brytechinc.com
home email kansasj...@sbcglobal.net
________________________________
From: Glenn Robuck <techraving...@gmail.com>
To: kulua-l@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:56:30 PM
Subject: [KULUA] Re: Server purchase
On both Dell's and IBMs site you can do a build comparison. Everytime we go through the process Dell comes out better. We've been using dell for 6 years and their build quality is, IMO, better than IBM or HP. Service is great and I don't have to deal with building anything myself. Well worth it.
The R series with the nehalem processors blow any other server out of the water that are not running nehalem.
You can build even smaller machines than the one I shared. Just stick with the nehalem processors (5500 series) and go crazy. You can actually get these servers for under $1000 depending on your required specs.
Yeah, several partners can beat standard web pricing, I would definately use
a partner to buy from Dell. If your in Olathe area NIS (Network Integration
Services) get pretty good pricing. They can't touch our premier pricing,
but they are one of the better partner pricing we've seen. Partner pricing
is based on purchase amount of the partners, so it pays to shop around.
Glenn
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Jeff Collins <kansasj...@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> if you go Dell, put your cart together and send it to a Dell partner... he
> should be able to beat the web pricing. I have in many cases. At least let
> the Dell partner price it as confirmation of your price.
> We sell IBM, HP, Dell on the server side.
> *Jeffrey S Collins*
> 913-764-3123 home
> 913-768-8484 office
> 913-710-5530 mobile
> office email jcoll...@brytechinc.com
> home email kansasj...@sbcglobal.net
> On both Dell's and IBMs site you can do a build comparison. Everytime we
> go through the process Dell comes out better. We've been using dell for 6
> years and their build quality is, IMO, better than IBM or HP. Service is
> great and I don't have to deal with building anything myself. Well worth
> it.
> The R series with the nehalem processors blow any other server out of the
> water that are not running nehalem.
> You can build even smaller machines than the one I shared. Just stick with
> the nehalem processors (5500 series) and go crazy. You can actually get
> these servers for under $1000 depending on your required specs.
# from Erwin Harte # on Wednesday 14 October 2009 09:51:
>My basic requirements: >...
You forgot the 80+ rated power supply. Some people mentioned Dell/IBM/Sun/etc ... are any of those shipping with the high-efficiency PSU lately?
--Eric -- Like a lot of people, I was mathematically abused as a child. --Paul Graham --------------------------------------------------- http://scratchcomputing.com ---------------------------------------------------
> # from Erwin Harte
> # on Wednesday 14 October 2009 09:51:
> >My basic requirements:
> >...
> You forgot the 80+ rated power supply. Some people mentioned
> Dell/IBM/Sun/etc ... are any of those shipping with the high-efficiency
> PSU lately?
> --Eric
> --
> Like a lot of people, I was mathematically abused as a child.
> --Paul Graham
> ---------------------------------------------------
> http://scratchcomputing.com > ---------------------------------------------------
Erwin Harte wrote: > I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than, > say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come > recommended by the list readers. [...] > Suggestions?
Thank you all for the on/off-list responses! Now to weigh the different options and pick one. :)
On Oct 15, 9:22 am, Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Erwin Harte wrote:
> > I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,
> > say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come
> > recommended by the list readers.
> [...]
> > Suggestions?
At Standard Beverage, back before it became a Dell/Windows house, we
purchased extensively from http://www.abmx.com/ . They would even ship
with Debian installed. They came in really handy once when we needed a
replacement the next day for a box that had gone belly up.
Cody
(Hi, Kit. I, too have joined the ranks of ex-SBC employees)
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 09:20, reverber <rever...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 15, 9:22 am, Erwin Harte <joc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Erwin Harte wrote:
> > > I'm looking for online places that sell barebones servers other than,
> > > say, Newegg.com and Amazon.com, within my budget (for work), and come
> > > recommended by the list readers.
> > [...]
> > > Suggestions?
> At Standard Beverage, back before it became a Dell/Windows house, we
> purchased extensively from http://www.abmx.com/ . They would even ship
> with Debian installed. They came in really handy once when we needed a
> replacement the next day for a box that had gone belly up.
> Cody
> (Hi, Kit. I, too have joined the ranks of ex-SBC employees)
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