Message from moderator regarding house/apartment posting

[Kathmandu Kathmandu [Nepal]]

Hello all,

Please be aware that as of now any postings for housing, flats, apartments etc that contain the words "foreigners only", "no Nepalis" or "foreigners preferred" will be blocked, and repeat offenders will be banned.

This board is for everyone and is not a place for negative stereotypes or xenophobia.

Thanks

[Kelly Kelly]

Dear Moderator,

Would you please also block postings that don't list the price in the posting?

Thank you.

Kelly

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[Rina Shapiro]

Great! Very good policy.

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[Mohan kharel]

sure!!

[Ashish Thapa]

The reason why people normally prefer foreigners to Nepalese/South-asians is because foreigners are believed to pay high rent and also well maintain the property. As a real estate agent, I have had several experiences where the landlord would ask very high rent for a nepalese because they would assume that the apartment would need some serious maintenance and repairs after the end of the lease term or since their intention is never to lease their property to a nepalese, they would simply say a very high price so that nobody shows interest. Landlords would prefer to keep their house or apartment empty for months and months rather than renting it out to a Nepali people whereas, foreigners are believed to keep the property clean. I agree this is true to some extent but I also strongly condemn posting terms such as "No Nepalis","Foreigners Only", etc. Whatever the reason behind it or the reality is, such posts shouldn't be allowed here. I appreciate the moderators' attention in this regard

[Ramesh Raj Paudel]

An applaudable move :)

[KT2020]

While I agree wholeheartedly with the principle, isn;t it quicker and clearer for all concerned to allow such people to post their discrimnatory ads, and we all know not to bother contacting them.
If they all just comply with your requirement, then we waste time contacting them to find out they have no real interest in providing services to us!

[Beena pant]

Kudos! Bravo. Today   I feel  the spirit of  " real independence day"

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[KT2020]

So where does this recent post fit into this principle/ policy?


"The first, very informal, bedeshi buhari group will meet this Saturday, February 21st at 1905 Restaurant around 12:30pm. Any foreigner (male or female) who is married to/partnered with/dating/ in a relationship with a Nepali is welcome to join! "
 

When I first saw it I didn't like it, but now it explicitly says only for foreigners...
Why wouldn't you want your (Nepali) partner to sometimes come and meet your new 'friends'

[A Summers]

I've been waiting for this for a long time. Please: complete info only. Updating the rules would be so appreciated.

I'd really like less of posts like this: 'Can I join pretty pretty please?' In other words, if it's a message to the group, fine, but if it's a response to a post it needs to be a message directly to the poster. Actually, I've posted and not checked for a few days. I got several responses but I didn't see them because they posted to the group. Responses need to be emailed to the author, not posted to the group.

More regulating please.

[Sally Acharya]

Same difference as "Dalit Student Group" vs "No Dalits Allowed to Rent." Or "Women's Support Group" vs "No Women Allowed to Rent." One is for solidarity and discussion among people with shared concerns and experiences; the other is exclusionary. And I have the feeling that if a Nepali married to a bideshi showed up at the group, they'd be totally welcome ... whereas a Nepali trying to rent from someone who posted "foreigners only" would be shown the door. (Personally I suspect that's because the Nepali would know the rental price would be way out of line with the market, but whatever the reason, discrimination isn't the same as solidarity.)

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[Jackie -Taylor]

Totally agree with Sally.  And quite often I get together with female friends and tell male friends that they are not welcome on that night.  Am I discriminating against my male friends?  Lets not get too pedantic here!  

J

Jackie Taylor

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Nepal

[Kathmandu Kathmandu [Nepal]]

Hello all,

First of all, thanks for the support and discussion this has generated.

I would like to reply to a few individual posts:

KT2020- with regards to allowing these posts so that everyone knows where they stand, I can see that that is a fair point, in terms of not wanting to waste people's time. My thoughts are this: Firstly, I think it's reasonable to conclude that houses "aimed" at foreigners are at an inflated price above fair market value (I accept that this is very hard to work out, such is the nature of a 'market') and my concern is that this will spill over into the Kathmandu rental market in general, which could have a negative effect on everyone. Aswell as trying to ward off negative stereotypes about Nepali people, the same is true of foreginers - not everyone is in the elevated financial position they are assumed to be. Secondly, I hope that these people who are discriminating will be forced to challenge their views, and may in the end open up their houses to people they were at first not prepared to, and be pleasantly surprised.

            -with regards to your second post about the bhurai group, being totally honest I did have the same thoughts as you and did wonder whether or not to allow the post, as I see that it could be viewed as discriminatory. However, I feel that Sally and Jackie's views below reflect my own: sometimes it's helpful to have someone to talk to who understands the situation you are in, as a result of their own experience.

ASummers-  Could you please explain what you mean by "I've been waiting for this for a long time"? With regards to complete info only, this is not always possible in some situations. Some people have built extensions or new properties without really having an idea what they should rent it out for, and would like to negotiate this in discussion. I understand that this can be frustrating, but in fairness anyone interested in a property is going to have to make contact anyway, so adding the line "What is the price?" should not be too much of a hardship. Also, some people don't like to air their finances in public, which I think is something we can all respect. I do agree that in most cases people should reply to author rather than the group (and it does say that in many places, including at the bottom of any message posted on here). And sometimes when it is getting excessive or people are constantly doing this, they do get deleted. But I feel we should all be supportive of one another - some people may not be as computer literate, or indeed English literate and as such might not be able to work out how to reply to author, but they may be able to help the original poster. Please be aware we regularly contact people to remind them of this. We could delete all of these, but then some people would miss out. I also feel that many users on here are good at replying to author only - in fact, I think they majority of posts are replied to privately, though it might not appear like that from looking at the board.

As always, this board remains a place for it's users, and any suggestions or comments will be looked at seriously. This post is not meant to antagonise anyone, it's to answer some questions.

Thanks to all for continued use of the board, especially you people who regularly reply privately to messages and keep the community going.

[Karma Tenzin]

I kept my opinion to myself when it was posted, but considering the group moderator's adjusted policy for posting I asked where this type of thing fits.

If you consider this type of thing innocent - then I guess eve teasing is also inncocent, wolf whistling at women, sexist remarks to either sex 'made in jest', racist remarks that are 'just a joke'...

If my view is 'out of date and intolerent'- then where does that leave you?

None of it is acceptable in my view

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Linda Sherpa <hamrog...@gmail.com> wrote:

Namaste

How  sad you choose to 'challenge politically', when a group chose to discover each other in all inocence. 

Democracy may & can mean freedom of speech and demonstration to give an opinion, so be it. many adverts could be challenged and are in some cases as you have done.

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I suggest you might tolerate this group as your outdated mode and lack of tolerance creates a sense of a lack of freedom. 

Perhaps you may like to attend as an excellent point of debate

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[Karma Tenzin]

If a Nepali showed up to this group and was welcome that would be great.

But that's not what they've posted.

On you first point, support group members may have something in common voluntarily. So women's support groups should (I hope) have male members if they also want and can support. Just as a Dalit Student group may have members who are not Dalit or students to enable them to function.

As you say - the other is exclusionary and that should not be accepted anywhere.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Sally Acharya <sallya...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Mohan kharel]

I dont think that the rent for houses or flats 'aimed' at foreniers are inflated by everyone. its only that foreniers who come to Nepal and work, earn more money then general nepali people and can pay more rent.  For example I just furnished one of my flats hoping to find a tenent for it and I bought the best furnishings in the market.With ac and 52?inch flatscreen tv and all the furnishings it cost me 12 thousand dollars just to furnish it.I am asking only $400 per month and I pay for all the utilities.Considering the investment I made do u think the rent is inflated?                                      yours truely

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