My double at Nextin.ru made in Poland/Ukraine for whom and why?

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

Hi,

http://knowledgeperson.blogspot.com/2008/09/my-double-at-nextinru-made-in.html

What do you think or know?

Is it about it (?):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qPY_eklGmQ

Nikolay

[Jeff Mowatt]

Nikolay, This has happened to me and my colleague too. Often it's done by those who have a disagreement or a grudge who want to use it as a platform to smear your reputation. It happened to us on the Taking it Global network where to their credit. moderators agreed to freeze the profile as evidence for possible later use. Jeff --- On Sat, 6/9/08, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

<for possible later use>

what do you mean, Jeff?

On Sep 6, 3:19 pm, Jeff Mowatt <jeff.mow...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Nikolay,
>
> This has happened to me and my colleague too. Often it's done by those who have a disagreement or a grudge who want to use it as a platform to smear your reputation.
>
> It happened to us on the Taking it Global network where to their credit. moderators agreed to freeze the profile as evidence for possible later use.
>
> Jeff
>
> --- On Sat, 6/9/08, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> From: Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru>
> Subject: [Knowledge Persons] My double at Nextin.ru made in Poland/Ukraine for whom and why?
> To: "KnowledgePersons" <Knowledg...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 12:15 PM
>
> Hi,
>

> http://knowledgeperson.blogspot.com/2008/09/my-double-at-nextinru-mad...

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

I just can't understand that it's easy to compare my language and
someone's else to understand who's who or am I mistaking?

Nikolay

[Jeff Mowatt]

What I mean is that there are some people, either mad or politically motivated who spend their time trying to disrupt, create false identities and generally try to muddy the waters. That's what I've experienced anyway.

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

Thank you for explanation, Jeff.

Nikolay

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

After reading this editorial article at

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=305420556406414

"Now, we need to squeeze Russia's economy ... They once tried the
latter and failed. We must see that they do so again"

I think not everything is normal with investing philosophy in
principle (the article says about every Russian).

Who said in Russia about the need to squeeze Western economy?

Let me invite you to watch this about Belarus during WW2, in which
every 3d or 4th was killed (fascists burned 620 or 630 villages with
ALL their children, women, men):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgQOkOVhfKY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VBousb3Iv8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAzQWSZ58Ac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkrUVJq7UkQ

My grandmother told me how fascists burned people in the square in
their town during fascist occupation and my mother (4 years old girl)
lived 1.5 years at the risk to be killed. Now my mother is marked as
killed in the book of memory in that town in Ukraine.

Tell me please - did this Baroness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher

say that Russia should have only 35 000 000 citizens or it was
someone's fantasy?

Did anyone analyse the investing roots of fascism in the civilized
West?

(by the way communism is also western invention)

I do not think that all the people in the West are the same. I use
this term because someone created West-East/North-South oppositions.

Knowledge about economy based on investment/debt dependency requires
independent consideration or do you think everything is OK if dynamite
creator's prizes are being granted for economists and peace makers?

Nikolay

[Jeff Mowatt]

A wide range of subjects Nikolay, I know both Chris and I had parents who fought fascism, but our families did not suffer as did many in Eastern Europe both in the name of communism and fascism.     With regard to Russia and the present conflict, you may be interested to read this:   http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/needtoknow/2008/08/the_conflict_we_chose.html I knew that Thatcher was Russophobic, definitely, but nothing about 35 million Russians. She did say "always beware of the Russian bear"  Ironically we had our own gas at the time she was Prime Minister and her goverment oversaw the privatisation which helped exhaust supplies to the point of now being dependent on Russia. What the Washington Post article above doesn't describe, because the journalist is not aware of it, is that aside from the failure of necons and neolibs with their trickle down approach, there was a third group did not want to engineer the collapse of Russia. Unlike prior Harvard (HIID) macro attempts to deploy top-down development in Russia, they advocated a policy of targeted bottom-up  micro development.

[cfminve...@gmail.com]

I just happend to read the article, that's heavy!!

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

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From: Jeff Mowatt <jeff....@btinternet.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:58:29 +0000 (GMT)
To: <Knowledg...@googlegroups.com>

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

Jeff,

1. Soviet Union was not a communist state. Soviet industrial socialism
was not ideal (therefore collapsed) but in many cases it was better
than current capitalism (pensions, security ...). Soviet soldiers was
in Berlin in 1945 AFTER western fascism (not only German) came in
Soviet Union. Russian soldiers was in Paris in 1814 AFTER Napoleon
came in Russia under the cover of freedom mission ... So, socialism
and fascism are not the same. But we can compare British colonialism
with fascism and appearance of the United States of America, if you
want.

2. Regarding Eastern Europe suffered from the Soviet regime - as far
as I remember the baltic republic had better living standards than we
had in Leningrad, for instance. Though there where not agreeing
persons. Maybe they needed more Pepsi, jeans and chewing gum than they
had? :)

3. How do you think are the drug addicts suffering or happy, if to
consider an analogy that average citizen in Eastern Europe (and not
only there) has an amount of debts which problematic or impossible to
pay off?

4. Soviet collapse was under control of some people from communist
party. I understood that, because worked with future liberal reformers
for Gsplan and they were untouchable.

5. From the article you mentioned:

"Obama's basic message on foreign policy is it's better to talk to our
enemies than to get ready to fight them. And here's a case where,
clearly, talking did not dissuade Russia from this act of violence."

Russia is mentioned as enemy for the West. Nothing new. It is going on
500 years or more. When Russia had plans to acquire, let's say, the
British Commonwealth? I do not know.

6. "targeted bottom-up micro development" - and what's the agenda?
Will you support Russian developments (made in Russia) for the West,
if they will be composed for good?

Nikolay

On Sep 6, 8:58 pm, Jeff Mowatt <jeff.mow...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> A wide range of subjects Nikolay,
>
> I know both Chris and I had parents who fought fascism, but our families did not suffer as did many in Eastern Europe both in the name of communism and fascism.    
>
> With regard to Russia and the present conflict, you may be interested to read this:  
>

> http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/needtoknow/2008/08/the_...

>
> I knew that Thatcher was Russophobic, definitely, but nothing about 35 million Russians. She did say "always beware of the Russian bear"  Ironically we had our own gas at the time she was Prime Minister and her goverment oversaw the privatisation which helped exhaust supplies to the point of now being dependent on Russia.
>
> What the Washington Post article above doesn't describe, because the journalist is not aware of it, is that aside from the failure of necons and neolibs with their trickle down approach, there was a third group did not want to engineer the collapse of Russia. Unlike prior Harvard (HIID) macro attempts
> to deploy top-down development in Russia, they advocated a policy of targeted bottom-up 
> micro development.
>
> Jeff
>
> --- On Sat, 6/9/08, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> From: Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru>
> Subject: [Knowledge Persons] Re: My double at Nextin.ru made in Poland/Ukraine for whom and why?
> To: "KnowledgePersons" <Knowledg...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 5:06 PM
>
> After reading this editorial article at
>

> http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&st...

[Jeff Mowatt]

Nikolay, Yes true, communism was not realised in Russia, and having visited myself, I'm aware of the widespread affection for the stabilty under an authoritarian government, at whatever cost to Russian people and their close neighbours. http://holodomor.org.uk/ Fascism in Italy derived from socialism, which it has in common with the Nazi party in Germany. http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html Likewise thought it claims to be anti-fascist, there's a rising tide of Nationalism and xenophobia in Russia in the Nashi movement which has a very strong resemblance to Nazi imagery.  I visited apartment block in Moscow where there were problems with drug addicts, this is an international problem of varying degree. We have those in the West with debt they can't pay and in the East a grey economy with people paid unofficially which makes the finance of a mortgage difficult to justify. That at least in Ukraine where my experience is more recent and home prices are rocketing every year.     Obama is part of the new position on enlightened self interest and the nurturing of Smart Power which sees the advantage of helping would-be adversaries develop, in the same we as we see self-interest in creating a world without poverty. We only nurture tomorrow's enemy. http://www.csis.org/smartpower/ And lastly, yes Russian developments for good. That was the whole point of going there and developing local economies with the aid of microcredit, the location of target markets for these developments was the other part of it. No agenda, only to demonstrate that peace is cheaper and more profitable than conflict. http://www.p-ced.com/projects/russia/ It should and can be as Tolstoy understood when he wrote that the law of love outweighs the law of violence and invalidates all mans laws.

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

Jeff, what about to use Russian language here - a few posts in
English, a few posts in Russian - for the balance? Have you started to
learn Russian?

I don't see an authoritarian government because some Russian
governmental institutions don't work properly (according our
Constitution). That's why, in my understanding, the ruling party in
Russia is opening local offices in which citizens can find free
support to solve their problems.

http://www.edinros.ru/news.html?id=136514

There is the federal ombudsmen network

http://ombudsman.gov.ru/

and something else, perhaps.

I don't see stability because of inflation ... I think we should not
use cliche when discuss reality.

<> http://holodomor.org.uk/>

I know about hunger in 1930-32 from my relatives which survived. It
was after civil war. And what, for example, British soldiers did in
Murmansk and Arkhangelsk in 1919? Did they come with humanitarian aid?
What was in the Wall Street in 1932?

Where is a website 900daysofnaziblockadeofLeningrad.org.uk or
something like that with promotion in Western Mass Media?

I found only this song "Leningrad" by Billy Joel from the US with 245
299 visitors http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcXm4DzZj94

<Fascism in Italy derived from socialism, which it has in common with
the Nazi party in Germany.>

So, you confirm that socialism and fascism are not the same. Thank
you, Jeff. Can you make one step else - tell me who financed Hitler?
The names please.

"Ours" (a translation of "Nashi", not "Nazi") - I dont's see their
influence as well as I don't see an influence of these guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQO0yYrI41M

or these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw

It's show business.

<I visited apartment block in Moscow where there were problems with
drug addicts, this is an international problem of varying degree.>

In Soviet era drug addiction wasn't so big problem, except alcoholism,
if you don't know.

<in the East a grey economy with people paid unofficially which makes
the finance of a mortgage difficult to justify.>

:) Jeff .... the Western colonial banks got rich after "trading" with
colonies. Now you are talking about grey market in the East !? Only in
the East? Banking system is not transparent.

<in the East a grey economy with people paid unofficially which makes
the finance of a mortgage difficult to justify. That at least in
Ukraine where my experience is more recent and home prices are
rocketing every year>.

Ask speculators/investors with hot money about it or suggest FRS print
less money.

<yes Russian developments for good> - hope Russians and others read
it about the developments made in Russia.

I can't understand how microdebts can solve a problem poverty.

1st step was in supporting the collapse of the Soviet Union (are you
sure that it was legal?) with total disorder and crime;
2nd step is appearance of the smart persons :) with loans macro and
micro.

It looks like a (smart)war operation because of this info from your
wabsite, Jeff,

<DEFENSE ENTERPRISE FUND

Region: Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus.

Manager: Defense Enterprise Fund, Inc..

Capitalization: Department of Defense: $40 million.

Investment Objective: Equity and debt. The fund will make investments
only in joint ventures involving privatized enterprises or enterprises
that commit in writing to privatization. An enterprise will be
considered privatized when greater than 50% of the ownership and
controls is in the private sector. At least one of the partners in any
joint venture should be from a country outside the NIS, with
preference given to joint ventures with U.S. involvement. Investments
will be diversified among smaller enterprises or spin-off enterprises
that have converted or are in the process of converting, and start-ups
formed by former defense or military personnel. Investments range from
$1 to $3 million.

Industries: Enterprises that include personnel and/or facilities
currently or formerly involved in research, development, production or
operation and support of the defense sector of four Republics of the
former Soviet Union. Particular emphasis given to facilities which
helped to produce weapons of mass destruction, as well as firms
associated with the production of command, control and communications
equipment for military forces associated with these weapons.>

http://www.p-ced.com/projects/russia/tomsk/

<It should and can be as Tolstoy understood when he wrote that the law
of love outweighs the law of violence and invalidates all mans laws>.

You understood nothing. Tolstoy was a Russian officer during the war
in Crimea 150 years ago in which British soldiers fought against
Russians ("thin red streak, tipped with a line of steel"). I don't
know where in his novel "War and Peace" (about Napoleon's invasion in
Russia in 1812) he said about love to aggressor.

Russins can be good friends and help. Debts and mutual aid with
frienship are incompatible, I think.

Did you read "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution" (1902) by Russian
Prince P. Kropotkin?

"In the animal world we have seen that the vast majority of species
live in societies, and that they find in association the best arms for
the struggle for life: understood, of course, in its wide Darwinian
sense -- not as a struggle for the sheer means of existence, but as a
struggle against all natural conditions unfavourable to the species.
The animal species, in which individual struggle has been reduced to
its narrowest limits, and the practice of mutual aid has attained the
greatest development, are invariably the most numerous, the most
prosperous, and the most open to further progress. The mutual
protection which is obtained in this case, the possibility of
attaining old age and of accumulating experience, the higher
intellectual development, and the further growth of sociable habits,
secure the maintenance of the species, its extension, and its further
progressive evolution. The unsociable species, on the contrary, are
doomed to decay".

http://knowledgeperson.blogspot.com/2008/02/will-brits-transmit-old-russian-ideas.html

http://knowledgeperson.blogspot.com/2008/06/re-will-brits-transmit-old-russian.html

Nikolay

On Sep 6, 11:30 pm, Jeff Mowatt <jeff.mow...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Nikolay,
>

> Yes true, communism was not realised in Russia, and having visited myself, I'm aware of the widespread affection for the stabilty under an authoritarian government, at whatever cost to Russian people and their close neighbours.
>
> http://holodomor.org.uk/
>

> Fascism in Italy derived from socialism, which it has in common with the Nazi party in Germany.http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

I found a website http://www.nashi.su/ they are against fascism. To be
against fascism is right way and is not show business.

Another website for you

http://english.pobediteli.ru/

Nikolay

On Sep 7, 12:42 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> Jeff, what about to use Russian language here - a few posts in
> English, a few posts in Russian - for the balance? Have you started to
> learn Russian?
>
> I don't see an authoritarian government because some Russian
> governmental institutions don't work properly (according our
> Constitution). That's why, in my understanding, the ruling party in
> Russia is opening local offices in which citizens can find free
> support to solve their problems.
>
> http://www.edinros.ru/news.html?id=136514
>
> There is the federal ombudsmen network
>
> http://ombudsman.gov.ru/
>
> and something else, perhaps.
>
> I don't see stability because of inflation ... I think we should not
> use cliche when discuss reality.
>
> <>http://holodomor.org.uk/>
>
> I know about hunger in 1930-32 from my relatives which survived. It
> was after civil war. And what, for example, British soldiers did in
> Murmansk and Arkhangelsk in 1919? Did they come with humanitarian aid?
> What was in the Wall Street in 1932?
>
> Where is a website 900daysofnaziblockadeofLeningrad.org.uk or
> something like that with promotion in Western Mass Media?
>
> I found only this song "Leningrad" by Billy Joel from the US with 245

> 299 visitorshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcXm4DzZj94

> http://knowledgeperson.blogspot.com/2008/02/will-brits-transmit-old-r...
>
> http://knowledgeperson.blogspot.com/2008/06/re-will-brits-transmit-ol...

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>
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[Jeff Mowatt]

Yes Nikolay, It is what they say. But the actions and methods, including xenophobia and youth camps are not very far removed from those deployed by Nazis who in turn had been influenced by Soviet methods. I'm sorry to say that my progress in Russian language was poor and abandoned. Malcolm Muggeridge was one who observed both, having served at the Guardian's Moscow correspondent in 1333 and in 1939 commenting on the creation of the  Gestapo from a pattern of the OGPU.        "Almost Hitler's first act as head of State was to institute the Gestapo, the secret police, on the pattern of the Soviet Ogpu.  By means of the Gestapo, it was possible to frighten everyone, and to make them, being frightened, subservient.  Unorthodoxy, that is, not being an ostentatiously zealous National Socialist, became a crime deserving of punishment; and the said Gestapo was responsible for arresting whoever was, or might be, guilty of this crime, sentencing him and executing the sentence.  In effect, the whole population was delivered into the Gestapo's hands." I'd never heard that Billy Joel song before, but it relates what I know. We had a long running "World at War" series on the BBC many years ago and the story of Leningrad was one of the most moving it was where I first heard the Simonov poem "Wait for me, only wait very hard....." I have met elderly men who served in convoys to supply Russia and to whom Russia has given medals, they know the story. They know the British came to fight the Red Army in 1919 on the side of the Czar. These are things I hear old men criticise about their own government in the past.   But the point of this discussion for me is not to say what West and East have done, because there is surely wrong on both sides. If I criticise Putin, I am just as much  a critic of Blair, Bush and Cheney. Now the purpose of microcredit is to offer a tool for self-empowerment and that's my reason for participating here following the introduction from Chris. In Russia it was the proven Grameen model that was deployed in Tomsk which from a population of 600,000 created 15,000 loans to launch more than 10,000 new businesses with repayment and business survival in excess of 95% over 4 years. The project completed, the bank remains and we have a proven model for delivering localised economic development. You will here more about these ideas when Bush is replaced and the term Obamanomics becomes common parlance. Grameen type microcredit does not require collateral, it it built on trust and mutual dependence. There may be better solutions in future but this has been proven even in Russia. Jeff

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

About Hunger in Irish History

http://www.inac.org/irishhistory/1845.php

Was it Irish holodomor?

Nikolay

On Sep 7, 12:54 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> I found a websitehttp://www.nashi.su/they are against fascism. To be

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[Jeff Mowatt]

Yes, in part it was, when food was exported as people starved. We all have history not to be proud of. These are the acts of governments and those controlling wealth, same as it ever was. Not a slur on any people or anything to defend. Jeff

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

Regarding similarity of Gestapo and GPU - I can say that any army has
guns to kill people.

<There may be better solutions in future>

possibly, Jeff

On Sep 7, 2:04 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> About Hunger in Irish History
>
> http://www.inac.org/irishhistory/1845.php
>
> Was it Irish holodomor?
>
> Nikolay
>
> On Sep 7, 12:54 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
>
>
>

> > I found a websitehttp://www.nashi.su/theyare against fascism. To be

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[Nikolay Kryachkov]

<They know the British came to fight the Red Army in 1919 on the side
of the Czar.>

It was not the side of Tsar, it was the White coalition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution_(1917)#Civil_war

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEbKnZyOEzc

Nikolay

On Sep 7, 2:42 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> Regarding similarity of Gestapo and GPU - I can say that any army has
> guns to kill people.
>
> <There may be better solutions in future>
>
> possibly, Jeff
>
> On Sep 7, 2:04 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
>
>
>
> > About Hunger in Irish History
>
> >http://www.inac.org/irishhistory/1845.php
>
> > Was it Irish holodomor?
>
> > Nikolay
>
> > On Sep 7, 12:54 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
>

> > > I found a websitehttp://www.nashi.su/theyareagainst fascism. To be

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[Nikolay Kryachkov]

There is a new Russian movie "To save Emperor"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAQMznYFQuA

Nikolay

On Sep 7, 2:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> <They know the British came to fight the Red Army in 1919 on the side
> of the Czar.>
>
> It was not the side of Tsar, it was the White coalition
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution_(1917)#Civil_war
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEbKnZyOEzc
>
> Nikolay
>
> On Sep 7, 2:42 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Regarding similarity of Gestapo and GPU - I can say that any army has
> > guns to kill people.
>
> > <There may be better solutions in future>
>
> > possibly, Jeff
>
> > On Sep 7, 2:04 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
>
> > > About Hunger in Irish History
>
> > >http://www.inac.org/irishhistory/1845.php
>
> > > Was it Irish holodomor?
>
> > > Nikolay
>
> > > On Sep 7, 12:54 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
>

> > > > I found a websitehttp://www.nashi.su/theyareagainstfascism. To be

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[Nikolay Kryachkov]

<We all have history not to be proud of. These are the acts of
governments and those controlling wealth, same as it ever was. Not a
slur on any people or anything to defend.>

In that case I do not understand the comparison Russia with the Nazi
state, holodomor promotion, NATO near Russia.

<Grameen type microcredit does not require collateral, it it built on
trust and mutual dependence.>

It takes place because people forgot independence, freedom, how to co-
operate and share the business resuls.

I can not understand why 2-3 or more, for example, poor people can not
unite their resources and share the results? Why they need loan to buy
the resources? This programs people to think that they people and
their resources are nothing without banker. In normal situation people
create money, not banker. It's similar to wrong knowledge that health
comes from pharma industry.

Nikolay

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[Jeff Mowatt]

I brought the holodomor into this Nikolay, not as a jibe but to illustrate that just as much harm had been done before Nazism by those who were in total opposition to this ideloogy. The Nazis grew from the 1918 humiliation of Germany and a leader determined to raise his country at whatever cost and by any unscrupulous means. The economic destruction of Russia in 1998 was not a good move for the same reasons as the humiliation of Germany. You ask why a group of people can't pool their resources in business. Yes they can, and that's why I introduced  Chis Cook and his open capital ideas. These are new methods whereas microcredit has a long history. The work we do in Eastern Europe aims to bring in external aid as investment. It's more likely to be suvccessful when based on concepts with a long track record. That will no doubt change as asset shared funding grows and returns successful outcones. Jeff

--- On Sun, 7/9/08, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:

From: Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> Subject: [Knowledge Persons] Re: My double at Nextin.ru made in Poland/Ukraine for whom and why? To: "KnowledgePersons" <Knowledg...@googlegroups.com>

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

No, Jeff,

1. You did not say who financed Hitler and who directed him towards
Soviet resources (Baku oil, Russian and Ukrainian black earth, food
and labor of slaves).

2. I mentioned Irish history. Do you think the Irish are fascists, or
maybe former British colonies are the fascist states, including
Canada, the US, Australia, India ... if to follow your grounds (they
were under humiliation)!?

3. In 1998 the destruction was caused by speculators. 1991-1994 was
worse. You know I do not think that lack of money and property can
cause humiliation. But it's probably a specific Russian point of view,
not so civilized :)

I think nazism/fascism is not about nationality (German, Italian,
English, American ... or Russian) it's about ideology to have
something at the expense of others. If some countries see a lack of
resources they should use their intellectual capital to restructure
consumption and financial system. What a need to go in Siberia
(Tomsk), if the global financial system and excessive consumption were
not made in Russia?

And who asked you for external aid as investment in Russia and when?

Nikolay

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[Jeff Mowatt]

Nikolay, I don't have an answer for what I don't know, regarding the funding of Hitler. There is no relationship that I know of between Irish famines and fascism. I refer only to the common ground between nations who have experienced humiliation and the political opportunity for tap into the feeling of re-asserting power. Likewise, where my family came from in Scotland, they had their homes burned down to make grazing for sheep. Not fascism but simple capitalistic greed.   So I have no answer to that either, nor to the other states which became colonies of one empire.  There is an article "How Harvard Lost Russia" which describes the background leading to vast sums of money disappearing, presumably into the hands of Yeltsin's cronies:-   www.uvm.edu/~wgibson/How%20Harvard%20Lost%20Russia.pdf Nobody asked our founder to aid Russia. That was already under way with agreembent between US and Russian governments. He researched and chose Tomsk /Seversk and asked for it to be considered as part of the program, the last of 4 such initiatives across Russia at the end of the 90s. The strategic importance of Tomsk was not financial, but being a place with large nuclear stockpiles and could therefore be considered a risk greater than a financial  one. Jeff

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

<Nobody asked our founder to aid Russia. That was already under way
with agreembent between US and Russian governments. He researched and
chose Tomsk /Seversk and asked for it to be considered as part of the
program, the last of 4 such initiatives across Russia at the end of
the 90s.
The strategic importance of Tomsk was not financial, but being a place
with large nuclear stockpiles and could therefore be considered a risk
greater than a financial one>.

As I can see, Jeff, fighting with poverty by microdebts was the excuse
or some extension of the main activity.

<Nikolay, I don't have an answer for what I don't know, regarding the
funding of Hitler.>

I found this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=who+financed+hitler&aq=1&oq=who+financed

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_07.htm

<There is an article "How Harvard Lost Russia" which describes the
background leading to vast sums of money disappearing, presumably into
the hands of Yeltsin's cronies:-

www.uvm.edu/~wgibson/How%20Harvard%20Lost%20Russia.pdf >

From the article:

"Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting
framework for a stable
Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself acknowledged when he
testified under oath in
the U.S. lawsuit in Cambridge in 2002".

"Reinventing Russia was never going to be easy, but Harvard botched a
historic opportunity".

"Gorbachev also sought advice from the West. In October 1990 the then-
chairman of the New York
Stock Exchange, John Phelan Jr., led a group of U.S".

"Only a few years earlier, Chubais, a tall strawberry blond who liked
fast cars, and Vasiliev,
a diminutive, politically savvy, bespectacled intellectual who
resembled Woody Allen, had been
plotting the privatization of the Soviet economy as part of a group of
young dissident economists
at the universities of Leningrad and Moscow, hiding their activities
out of fear of the KGB".

:) And Gorbachev ... did he hide his activity from KGB? :)

Actually they didn't dissidents but communist party or comsomol
members with strong support.

Would you like to take our liberal reformers from Russia in the West?

The transformation probably began in 1953 and over time greed
substituted lack of governance. Historically Russia and Soviet Union
was closed for usurious authoritarianism (to control Russian resources
and a global position of Russia), which probably caused several
attacks from inside and outside under the cover of various concepts
(fighting against tsarism, communism ... and what is invented for
these days?). I don't know that Russia had own currency/economic model
except the Soviet one, which was not well developed.

The Western currency/economic model is far from perfection and it is
seen well enough when this model
is being applied outside the West. Spreading this model outside the
West is an attention distraction of Western public from its own
problems.

The cost of changes in Russia was and, as far as I know, is 1 000 000
lost lifes yearly.
Can you convince the critics of the West that it is not (smart)war
operation?

I think it's impossible to lose Russia because it's impossible to
absorb or completely destroy it. The instruments for that are not
perfect and can't be perfect.

Nikolay

> ...
>
> read more »

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

WALL STREET AND
THE RISE OF HITLER

By
Antony C. Sutton

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

On Sep 8, 5:56 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> <Nobody asked our founder to aid Russia. That was already under way
> with agreembent between US and Russian governments. He researched and
> chose Tomsk /Seversk and asked for it to be considered as part of the
> program, the last of 4 such initiatives across Russia at the end of
> the 90s.
> The strategic importance of Tomsk was not financial, but being a place
> with large nuclear stockpiles and could therefore be considered a risk
> greater than a financial  one>.
>
> As I can see, Jeff, fighting with poverty by microdebts was the excuse
> or some extension of the main activity.
>
> <Nikolay, I don't have an answer for what I don't know, regarding the
> funding of Hitler.>
>
> I found this:
>

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=who+financed+hitler&aq=1&oq=who+...

> ...
>
> read more »

[Jeff Mowatt]

<The Western currency/economic model is far from perfection and it is seen well enough when this model is being applied outside the West. Spreading this model outside the West is an attention distraction of Western public from its own problems. The cost of changes in Russia was and, as far as I know, is 1 000 000 lost lifes yearly. Can you convince the critics of the West that it is not (smart)war operation? I think it's impossible to lose Russia because it's impossible to absorb or completely destroy it. The instruments for that are not perfect and can't be perfect.>

That's where we started with the critique of conventional capitalism. http://www.p-ced.com/about/background/ http://www.p-ced.com/about/history/ This was delivered at a point where the US was enjoying a boom and there was little interest in the effects of poverty. That position has changed radically in more than a decade. What that article refers to in losing Russia is the loss of an opportunity to turn a cold war antagonist into an ally. Russia as you say cannot be lost, but it can remain a source of many problems that obstruct us from ending poverty while we fund either side of conflict in other countries, like Vietnam for half the last century I don't know if we can convince critics that these aren't smart war tactics. We have referred  to these efforts as economic smart bombs, which doesn't carry a military implication but we're already unwelcome.  FSB wanted bribes from us and we refused, so our founder's visa is blocked, though others such as the British Council and BP have more recently become unwelcome too. Time will tell I guess.    .

[Charles Rein]

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

I found another book:

WALL STREET
AND THE
BOLSHEVIK
REVOLUTION

By
Antony C. Sutton

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/

in which I found this:

<Several years later, in the fall of 1922, the Soviets formed their
first international bank. It was based on a syndicate that involved
the former Russian private bankers and some new investment from
German, Swedish, American, and British bankers. Known as the
Ruskombank (Foreign Commercial Bank or the Bank of Foreign Commerce),
it was headed by Olof Aschberg; its board consisted of tsarist private
bankers, representatives of German, Swedish, and American banks, and,
of course, representatives of the Soviet Union. The U.S. Stockholm
legation reported to Washington on this question and noted, in a
reference to Aschberg, that "his reputation is poor. He was referred
to in Document 54 of the Sisson documents and Dispatch No. 138 of
January 4, 1921 from a legation in Copenhagen."24

The foreign banking consortium involved in the Ruskombank represented
mainly British capital. It included Russo-Asiatic Consolidated
Limited, which was one of the largest private creditors of Russia, and
which was granted £3 million by the Soviets to compensate for damage
to its properties in the Soviet Union by nationalization. The British
government itself had already purchased substantial interests in the
Russian private banks; according to a State Department report, "The
British Government is heavily invested in the consortium in
question."25

The consortium was granted extensive concessions in Russia and the
bank had a share capital of ten million gold rubles. A report in the
Danish newspaper National Titende stated that "possibilities have been
created for cooperation with the Soviet government where this, by
political negotiations, would have been impossible."26 In other words,
as the newspaper goes on to say, the politicians had failed to achieve
cooperation with the Soviets, but "it may be taken for granted that
the capitalistic exploitation of Russia is beginning to assume more
definite forms."27

In early October 1922 Olof Aschberg met in Berlin with Emil
Wittenberg, director of the Nationalbank fur Deutschland, and
Scheinmann, head of the Russian State Bank. After discussions
concerning German involvement in the Ruskombank, the three bankers
went to Stockholm and there met with Max May, vice president of the
Guaranty Trust Company. Max May was then designated director of the
Foreign Division of the Ruskombank, in addition to Schlesinger, former
head of the Moscow Merchant Bank; Kalaschkin, former head of the
Junker Bank; and Ternoffsky, former head of the Siberian Bank. The
last bank had been partly purchased by the British government in 1918.
Professor Gustav Cassell of Sweden agreed to act as adviser to
Ruskombank. Cassell was quoted in a Swedish newspaper
(Svenskadagbladet of October 17, 1922) as follows:

That a bank has now been started in Russia to take care of purely
banking matters is a great step forward, and it seems to me that this
bank was established in order to do something to create a new economic
life in Russia. What Russia needs is a bank to create internal and
external commerce. If there is to be any business between Russia and
other countries there must be a bank to handle it. This step forward
should be supported in every way by other countries, and when I was
asked my advice I stated that I was prepared to give it. I am not in
favor of a negative policy and believe that every opportunity should
be seized to help in a positive reconstruction. The great question is
how to bring the Russian exchange back to normal. It is a complicated
question and will necessitate thorough investigation. To solve this
problem I am naturally more than willing to take part in the work. To
leave Russia to her own resources and her own fate is folly.28>

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_04.htm#AMERICAN%20BANKERS%20AND%20TSARIST%20LOANS

I can't check how honest this source is, but this phrase is
expressive:

<To leave Russia to her own resources and her own fate is folly>

Again and again you, Jeff, insist that Russia is the source of many
problems:

<Russia as you say cannot be lost, but it can remain a source of many
problems that obstruct us from ending poverty>

Oddly, but why not end poverty in the West first at the expense of the
Western resources? I really can't understand, Jeff. According to these
books the source of the problems is different. Not I said it. If you
have another sources, please give.

We gathered here as the one level Knowledge Persons and therefore I
think we should avoid judgements that something is given for ever as
an absolute value. Otherwise Internet was invented to spread porno
etc. - i.e. not for discussions.

Regarding FSB, visas, the British Council and BP - I think they are
the legal issues which are based on documents and there the legal ways
to consider them with care.

<Time will tell I guess>

No, Jeff, time can't tell, people can.

Nikolay

On Sep 8, 7:09 pm, Jeff Mowatt <jeff.mow...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> <The Western currency/economic model is far from perfection and it is
> seen well enough when this model
> is being applied outside the West. Spreading this model outside the
> West is an attention distraction of Western public from its own
> problems.
>
> The cost of changes in Russia was and, as far as I know, is 1 000 000
> lost lifes yearly.
> Can you convince the critics of the West that it is not (smart)war
> operation?
>
> I think it's impossible to lose Russia because it's impossible to
> absorb or completely destroy it. The instruments for that are not
> perfect and can't be perfect.>
>
> That's where we started with the critique of conventional capitalism.
>

> http://www.p-ced.com/about/background/http://www.p-ced.com/about/history/

>
> This was delivered at a point where the US was enjoying a boom and there was little interest in the effects of poverty. That position has changed radically in more than a decade.
>
> What that article refers to in losing Russia is the loss of an opportunity to turn a cold war antagonist into an ally. Russia as you say cannot be lost, but it can remain a source of many problems that obstruct us from ending poverty while we fund either side of conflict in other countries, like Vietnam for half the last century
>
> I don't know if we can convince critics that these aren't smart war tactics. We have referred  to these efforts as economic smart bombs, which doesn't carry a military implication but we're already unwelcome.  FSB wanted bribes from us and we refused, so our founder's visa is blocked, though others such as the British Council and BP have more recently become unwelcome too. Time will tell I guess.
>  
>
>  . 
>
>   
>
> --- On Mon, 8/9/08, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> From: Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru>
> Subject: [Knowledge Persons] Re: My double at Nextin.ru made in Poland/Ukraine for whom and why?
> To: "KnowledgePersons" <Knowledg...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 8 September, 2008, 2:56 PM
>
> <Nobody asked our founder to aid Russia. That was already under way
> with agreembent between US and Russian governments. He researched and
> chose Tomsk /Seversk and asked for it to be considered as part of the
> program, the last of 4 such initiatives across Russia at the end of
> the 90s.
> The strategic importance of Tomsk was not financial, but being a place
> with large nuclear stockpiles and could therefore be considered a risk
> greater than a financial  one>.
>
> As I can see, Jeff, fighting with poverty by microdebts was the excuse
> or some extension of the main activity.
>
> <Nikolay, I don't have an answer for what I don't know, regarding
> the
> funding of Hitler.>
>
> I found this:
>

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=who+financed+hitler&aq=1&oq=who+...

> ...
>
> read more »

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

After reading:

http://www.p-ced.com/about/background/
http://www.p-ced.com/about/history/

can anyone explain in which currency Grameen bank gives loans (in Fed
paper notes written solely against the “good faith and credit” of US
citizens or in local currency convertable in Fed paper notes, or in
some human backed one)?

I can understand some apologists of gold standard (but I disagree)

http://knowledgeperson.blogspot.com/2008/03/only-usd-or-eur-oil-relationship.html

I would like to understand human backed currency

<13. Human-based – that is, people-centered – economics is the only
valid measure of economics.>

http://www.p-ced.com/about/background/

Nikolay

On Sep 8, 7:09 pm, Jeff Mowatt <jeff.mow...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> <The Western currency/economic model is far from perfection and it is
> seen well enough when this model
> is being applied outside the West. Spreading this model outside the
> West is an attention distraction of Western public from its own
> problems.
>
> The cost of changes in Russia was and, as far as I know, is 1 000 000
> lost lifes yearly.
> Can you convince the critics of the West that it is not (smart)war
> operation?
>
> I think it's impossible to lose Russia because it's impossible to
> absorb or completely destroy it. The instruments for that are not
> perfect and can't be perfect.>
>
> That's where we started with the critique of conventional capitalism.
>

> http://www.p-ced.com/about/background/http://www.p-ced.com/about/history/

>
> This was delivered at a point where the US was enjoying a boom and there was little interest in the effects of poverty. That position has changed radically in more than a decade.
>
> What that article refers to in losing Russia is the loss of an opportunity to turn a cold war antagonist into an ally. Russia as you say cannot be lost, but it can remain a source of many problems that obstruct us from ending poverty while we fund either side of conflict in other countries, like Vietnam for half the last century
>
> I don't know if we can convince critics that these aren't smart war tactics. We have referred  to these efforts as economic smart bombs, which doesn't carry a military implication but we're already unwelcome.  FSB wanted bribes from us and we refused, so our founder's visa is blocked, though others such as the British Council and BP have more recently become unwelcome too. Time will tell I guess.
>  
>
>  . 
>
>   
>
> --- On Mon, 8/9/08, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> From: Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru>
> Subject: [Knowledge Persons] Re: My double at Nextin.ru made in Poland/Ukraine for whom and why?
> To: "KnowledgePersons" <Knowledg...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 8 September, 2008, 2:56 PM
>
> <Nobody asked our founder to aid Russia. That was already under way
> with agreembent between US and Russian governments. He researched and
> chose Tomsk /Seversk and asked for it to be considered as part of the
> program, the last of 4 such initiatives across Russia at the end of
> the 90s.
> The strategic importance of Tomsk was not financial, but being a place
> with large nuclear stockpiles and could therefore be considered a risk
> greater than a financial  one>.
>
> As I can see, Jeff, fighting with poverty by microdebts was the excuse
> or some extension of the main activity.
>
> <Nikolay, I don't have an answer for what I don't know, regarding
> the
> funding of Hitler.>
>
> I found this:
>

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=who+financed+hitler&aq=1&oq=who+...

> ...
>
> read more »

[Jeff Mowatt]

There you have it. A comment from 1922 making the point that "to leave Russia to her own resources is folly", making the case for economic development. I see no reason to view this any differently more than 80 years later after vast sums have been spent on weapons and millions exterminated.  Now we depend on an unstable source for our energy, who may decide to turn off supplies at a whim to spite or bomb the apartments of her own citizens to justify a war, to distribute polonium to enemies in other countries, imprison those who don't fall in line and murder those who report as journalists.  These are facts, the acts of thugs and gangsters in an out of control country which the whole world has good reason to consider a threat. We battle with the consequences, spending money to try to stem an HIV epidemic which now threatens all Europe, trafficking of children and women for exploitation, guns to fuel our own crime. All this costs billions which could otherwise be put to good use in developing local economic conditions on a global basis, US, UK and Russia included. People can tell, you are right. We have been telling for 12 years and only now is the message getting through. That's where time comes into the reckoning.  Now you've had just about all I can say. Interesting as it may be to examine history, there is other work I must get on with. If this forum is about discussing the merits of various economic models for development, that's why I'm here..     Jeff

[Jeff Mowatt]

How Grameen issues funds is maybe something Chris can explain. Finca managed the microfinance bank in Tomsk and can be contacted for details. http://www.mixmarket.org/en/demand/demand.show.profile.asp?ett=2236 Grameen is not associated with the concept of people-centered economics although in Dr Yunus recent book "Creating a world without Poverty" he describes a model for a "social business" which takes a similar position that the real objective of business is to serve people and communities, rather than be manipulated in terms of numbers for the benefit od speculators. He advocates a social stock market for this type of business to flourish. Jeff

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

<There you have it. A comment from 1922 making the point that "to
leave Russia to her own resources is folly", making the case for
economic development.
>
> I see no reason to view this any differently more than 80 years later after vast sums have been spent on weapons and millions exterminated.>

Of course, Russia is still alive. Russia needs sovereign economic
development for Russians because many Russian villages are without
gas, aged people have pensions lesser 100 EUR per month ....

<Now we depend on an unstable source for our energy, who may decide to
turn off supplies at a whim to spite or bomb the apartments of her own
citizens to justify a war, to distribute polonium to enemies in other
countries, imprison those who don't fall in line and murder those who
report as journalists. 
>
> These are facts, the acts of thugs and gangsters in an out of control country which the whole world has good reason to consider a threat.
>
> We battle with the consequences, spending money to try to stem an HIV epidemic which now threatens all Europe, trafficking of children and women for exploitation, guns to fuel our own crime. All this costs billions which could otherwise be put to good use in developing local economic conditions on a global basis, US, UK and Russia included. >

I found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n1rqHo4XyM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Git1piHts

Who is guilty that you depend on energy? Russia?

There are the ways:

1. To decrease the Western demand and consumption (including sex, drug
and other criminal industries).
2. To think about equivalent exchange (not "Fed paper notes written
solely against the “good faith and credit” of US citizens" in exchange
of what others have).

Nikolay

> http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_...

> >http://www.p-ced.com/about/background/http://www.p-ced.com/about/hist...

> ...
>
> read more »

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

Hi,

going back to the original problem

http://knowledgeperson.blogspot.com/2008/09/my-double-at-nextinru-made-in.html

I can say that I sent a message:

от Nikolay Kryachkov nkryachkov at gmail.com
кому info at fenixmedia.com.ua
дата 15 сентября 2008 г. 14:50
тема ложный профиль
отправлено через gmail.com



Здравствуйте,

кто-то без моего ведома создал профиль и неправомерно использует мое
имя

http://www.nextin.ru/pr/nikolay_kryachkov?item=business

Т.к. Вы делали этот сайт, прошу Вас удалить этот профиль с моим
именем.

Николай Крячков
************************
Today that link doesn't lead to the profile of my double and I don't
see the website http://fenixmedia.com.ua/

Nikolay

> ...
>
> read more >>

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

Hi,

according to "Ведомости"

http://www.vedomosti.ru/newspaper/article.shtml?2008/09/26/162618

A. Chubais

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4357755.stm

is an advisor of J. P. Morgan Chase.

As you may remember Jeff gave this:

"There is an article "How Harvard Lost Russia" which describes the
background leading to vast sums of money disappearing, presumably into
the hands of Yeltsin's cronies:-

www.uvm.edu/~wgibson/How%20Harvard%20Lost%20Russia.pdf "

I replied:

"Would you like to take our liberal reformers from Russia in the West?
"

Don't laugh, it's a coincidence, but why only as the advisor and only
A. Chubais?

Does it mean a start of Russian liberal reforms and shock therapy in
the U.S./West or J.P. Morgan Chase is interested in Rusnano
http://www.rusnano.biz/ ?

Nikolay

On Sep 8, 5:56 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> <Nobody asked our founder to aid Russia. That was already under way
> with agreembent between US and Russian governments. He researched and
> chose Tomsk /Seversk and asked for it to be considered as part of the
> program, the last of 4 such initiatives across Russia at the end of
> the 90s.
> The strategic importance of Tomsk was not financial, but being a place
> with large nuclear stockpiles and could therefore be considered a risk
> greater than a financial one>.
>
> As I can see, Jeff, fighting with poverty by microdebts was the excuse
> or some extension of the main activity.
>
> <Nikolay, I don't have an answer for what I don't know, regarding the
> funding of Hitler.>
>
> I found this:
>

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=who+financed+hitler&aq=1&oq=who+...

> ...
>
> read more >>

[Nikolay Kryachkov]

Since the link to

"HOW HARVARD LOST RUSSIA"
Institutional Investor Magazine --- January 2006

http://www.uvm.edu/~wgibson/How%20Harvard%20Lost%20Russia.pdf

doesn't work, here is a spare one:

http://www.textviruslab.com/How_Harvard_Lost_Russia.pdf

Hope freedom for speech still exists.

Nikolay

On Sep 27, 10:51 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> according to "Ведомости"
>
> http://www.vedomosti.ru/newspaper/article.shtml?2008/09/26/162618
>
> A. Chubais
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4357755.stm
>
> is an advisor of J. P. Morgan Chase.
>
> As you may remember Jeff gave this:
>
> "There is an article "How Harvard Lost Russia" which describes the
> background leading to vast sums of money disappearing, presumably into
> the hands of Yeltsin's cronies:-
>
> www.uvm.edu/~wgibson/How%20Harvard%20Lost%20Russia.pdf "
>
> I replied:
>
> "Would you like to take our liberal reformers from Russia in the West?
> "
>
> Don't laugh, it's a coincidence, but why only as the advisor and only
> A. Chubais?
>
> Does it mean a start of Russian liberal reforms and shock therapy in

> the U.S./West or J.P. Morgan Chase is interested in Rusnanohttp://www.rusnano.biz/ ?

> ...
>
> read more >>