I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
Networks group.
From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
at the expense of all the rest.
It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
"...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
Armageddon!!!???...
So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
Where to from here?
Benoit
On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
(the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
Nikolay
On Sep 1, 7:09 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> Networks group.
> From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> at the expense of all the rest.
> It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
> proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
> disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> Armageddon!!!???...
> So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
> people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> Where to from here?
> Benoit
> On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
"How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
the past toward the future.
The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
Benoit
On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> Nikolay
> On Sep 1, 7:09 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Nikolay,
> > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > Networks group.
> > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > at the expense of all the rest.
> > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> > of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> > unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
> > proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> > offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
> > disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> > which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> > Armageddon!!!???...
> > So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> > their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
> > people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> > become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> > Where to from here?
> > Benoit
> > On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
off their brains after work time. An example:
Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
example, this group proves it.
Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
in the World?
Not seriously ... or very seriously?
Nikolay
On Sep 2, 2:13 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> the past toward the future.
> The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> Benoit
> On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > Benoit,
> > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > Nikolay
> > On Sep 1, 7:09 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Nikolay,
> > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > Networks group.
> > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> > > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> > > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> > > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> > > of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> > > unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
> > > proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> > > offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
> > > disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> > > which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> > > Armageddon!!!???...
> > > So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> > > their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
> > > people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> > > become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> > > Where to from here?
> > > Benoit
> > > On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
<Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
really possible?>
I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
in progress.
Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
without having its people's survival compromised.
As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
wont accept.
Benoit
On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> off their brains after work time. An example:
> Innovation dynamics and organisational structures
> Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> example, this group proves it.
> Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> in the World?
> Not seriously ... or very seriously?
> Nikolay
> On Sep 2, 2:13 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> > the past toward the future.
> > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > Benoit
> > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > Benoit,
> > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > > Networks group.
> > > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> > > > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > > > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > > > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> > > > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> > > > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > > > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> > > > of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> > > > unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
> > > > proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> > > > offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
> > > > disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> > > > which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> > > > Armageddon!!!???...
> > > > So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> > > > their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
> > > > people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> > > > become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> > > > Where to from here?
> > > > Benoit
> > > > On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> really possible?>
> I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> in progress.
> Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> without having its people's survival compromised.
> As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> wont accept.
> Benoit
> On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > really possible?
> > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > Innovation dynamics and organisational structures
> > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > example, this group proves it.
> > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> > in the World?
> > Not seriously ... or very seriously?
> > Nikolay
> > On Sep 2, 2:13 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> > > the past toward the future.
> > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > > Benoit
> > > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > Benoit,
> > > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > > > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > > > Networks group.
> > > > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > > > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > > > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > > > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> > > > > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > > > > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > > > > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> > > > > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> > > > > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > > > > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> > > > > of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> > > > > unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
> > > > > proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> > > > > offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
> > > > > disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> > > > > which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> > > > > Armageddon!!!???...
> > > > > So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> > > > > their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
> > > > > people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> > > > > become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> > > > > Where to from here?
> > > > > Benoit
> > > > > On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
I would appreciate it if you could please let me know your thoughts about
this website and if it is a good moment to enter your country's market to
offer our services. The Website is: www.pedropena.com and you can contact me
on car...@pedropena.com
> I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> capitalism to survive.
> Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> country of modern capitalism:
> SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL, MARITIME HOUSE, OLD TOWN, CLAPHAM, LONDON SW4
> 0JW, UNITED KINGDOM
> T: (44 20) 7627 4449 F: (44 20) 7720 4448 / 7498 1293
> Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?
> Nikolay
> On Sep 3, 5:11 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > really possible?>
> > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > in progress.
> > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > wont accept.
> > Benoit
> > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > really possible?
> > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > Innovation dynamics and organisational structures
> > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > > example, this group proves it.
> > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> > > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> > > in the World?
> > > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > > > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying
> over
> > > > the past toward the future.
> > > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while
> moving
> > > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > > > Benoit
> > > > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > Benoit,
> > > > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information
> or
> > > > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that
> thing
> > > > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > > > > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > > > > Networks group.
> > > > > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that
> there
> > > > > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are
> simply
> > > > > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit
> making
> > > > > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > > > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up
> causing
> > > > > > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > > > > > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > > > > > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across
> the
> > > > > > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the
> Incas
> > > > > > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > > > > > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a
> priesthood
> > > > > > of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> > > > > > unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil
> is the
> > > > > > proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> > > > > > offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is,
> is a
> > > > > > disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> > > > > > which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> > > > > > Armageddon!!!???...
> > > > > > So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> > > > > > their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they
> like the
> > > > > > people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> > > > > > become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> > > > > > Where to from here?
> > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > KM now works with finance - seehttp://
> networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf
> > > > > > > - a link from Value Networks.
> > > > > > > How do you think - they are talking about real changes in
> global
> > > > > > > finance or about changes without changes?
> > > > > > > Nikolay- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
"Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
the intangibles.
As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
community self-governnance.
The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
Benoit
On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> capitalism to survive.
> Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> country of modern capitalism:
> SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL, MARITIME HOUSE, OLD TOWN, CLAPHAM, LONDON SW4
> 0JW, UNITED KINGDOM
> T: (44 20) 7627 4449 F: (44 20) 7720 4448 / 7498 1293
> Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?
> Nikolay
> On Sep 3, 5:11 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > really possible?>
> > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > in progress.
> > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > wont accept.
> > Benoit
> > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > really possible?
> > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > Innovation dynamics and organisational structures
> > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > > example, this group proves it.
> > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> > > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> > > in the World?
> > > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > > > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> > > > the past toward the future.
> > > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> > > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > > > Benoit
> > > > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > Benoit,
> > > > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > > > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > > > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > > > > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > > > > Networks group.
> > > > > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > > > > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > > > > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > > > > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > > > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> > > > > > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > > > > > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > > > > > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> > > > > > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> > > > > > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > > > > > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> > > > > > of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> > > > > > unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
> > > > > > proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> > > > > > offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
> > > > > > disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> > > > > > which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> > > > > > Armageddon!!!???...
> > > > > > So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> > > > > > their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
> > > > > > people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> > > > > > become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> > > > > > Where to from here?
> > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> the intangibles.
> As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> community self-governnance.
> The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> Benoit
> On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > capitalism to survive.
> > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > country of modern capitalism:
> > Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?
> > Nikolay
> > On Sep 3, 5:11 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > really possible?>
> > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > in progress.
> > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > > wont accept.
> > > Benoit
> > > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > really possible?
> > > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > > Innovation dynamics and organisational structures
> > > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > > > example, this group proves it.
> > > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> > > > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> > > > in the World?
> > > > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > > > > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> > > > > the past toward the future.
> > > > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > > > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> > > > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > > > > Benoit
> > > > > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > Benoit,
> > > > > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > > > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > > > > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > > > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > > > > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > > > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > > > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > > > > > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > > > > > Networks group.
> > > > > > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > > > > > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > > > > > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > > > > > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > > > > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> > > > > > > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > > > > > > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > > > > > > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> > > > > > > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> > > > > > > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > > > > > > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> > > > > > > of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> > > > > > > unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
> > > > > > > proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> > > > > > > offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
> > > > > > > disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> > > > > > > which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> > > > > > > Armageddon!!!???...
> > > > > > > So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> > > > > > > their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
> > > > > > > people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> > > > > > > become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> > > > > > > Where to from here?
> > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
their new replacements are being completed.
Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
recovery of the planet.
The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
at the summit on climate change.
> What do the intagibles you mentioned really reflect? Bank interest is
> intangible.
> Nikolay
> On Sep 4, 3:16 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > the intangibles.
> > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > community self-governnance.
> > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > Benoit
> > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > > capitalism to survive.
> > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > really possible?>
> > > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > > in progress.
> > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > > > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > > > wont accept.
> > > > Benoit
> > > > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > really possible?
> > > > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > > > Innovation dynamics and organisational structures
> > > > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > > > > example, this group proves it.
> > > > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > > > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > > > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > > > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> > > > > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> > > > > in the World?
> > > > > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > > > > > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> > > > > > the past toward the future.
> > > > > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > > > > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> > > > > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > Benoit,
> > > > > > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > > > > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > > > > > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > > > > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > > > > > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > > > > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > > > > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > > > > > > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > > > > > > Networks group.
> > > > > > > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > > > > > > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > > > > > > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > > > > > > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > > > > > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> > > > > > > > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > > > > > > > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > > > > > > > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> > > > > > > > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> > > > > > > > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > > > > > > > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> > > > > > > > of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> > > > > > > > unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
> > > > > > > > proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> > > > > > > > offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
> > > > > > > > disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> > > > > > > > which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> > > > > > > > Armageddon!!!???...
> > > > > > > > So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> > > > > > > > their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
> > > > > > > > people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> > > > > > > > become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> > > > > > > > Where to from here?
> > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> their new replacements are being completed.
> Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> recovery of the planet.
> The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> at the summit on climate change.
> Half humous, half wishful thinking but most likely all kidding around!
> Benoit
> Sep 4, 9:07 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > What do the intagibles you mentioned really reflect? Bank interest is
> > intangible.
> > Nikolay
> > On Sep 4, 3:16 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > the intangibles.
> > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > > community self-governnance.
> > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > > Benoit
> > > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > > > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > > > capitalism to survive.
> > > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > really possible?>
> > > > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > > > in progress.
> > > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > > > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > > > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > > > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > > > > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > > > > wont accept.
> > > > > Benoit
> > > > > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > really possible?
> > > > > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > > > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > > > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > > > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > > > > > example, this group proves it.
> > > > > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > > > > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > > > > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > > > > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> > > > > > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> > > > > > in the World?
> > > > > > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > > > > > > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> > > > > > > the past toward the future.
> > > > > > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > > > > > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> > > > > > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Benoit,
> > > > > > > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > > > > > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > > > > > > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > > > > > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > > > > > > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > > > > > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > > > > > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > > > > > > > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > > > > > > > Networks group.
> > > > > > > > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > > > > > > > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > > > > > > > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > > > > > > > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > > > > > > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> > > > > > > > > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > > > > > > > > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> > > > > > > > > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> > > > > > > > > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > > > > > > > > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> > > > > > > > > of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> > > > > > > > > unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
> > > > > > > > > proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> > > > > > > > > offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
> > > > > > > > > disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> > > > > > > > > which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> > > > > > > > > Armageddon!!!???...
> > > > > > > > > So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> > > > > > > > > their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
> > > > > > > > > people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> > > > > > > > > become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> > > > > > > > > Where to from here?
> > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
then apply themselves to do it.
Benoit
On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> Nikolay
> On Sep 5, 6:46 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > their new replacements are being completed.
> > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > recovery of the planet.
> > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > > the intangibles.
> > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > > > community self-governnance.
> > > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > > > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > > > Benoit
> > > > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > > > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > > > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > > > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > > > > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > > > > capitalism to survive.
> > > > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > > > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > really possible?>
> > > > > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > > > > in progress.
> > > > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > > > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > > > > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > > > > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > > > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > > > > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > > > > > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > > > > > wont accept.
> > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > really possible?
> > > > > > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > > > > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > > > > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > > > > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > > > > > > example, this group proves it.
> > > > > > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > > > > > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > > > > > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > > > > > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> > > > > > > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> > > > > > > in the World?
> > > > > > > Not seriously ... or very seriously?
> > > > > > > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > > > > > > > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> > > > > > > > the past toward the future.
> > > > > > > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > > > > > > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> > > > > > > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Benoit,
> > > > > > > > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > > > > > > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > > > > > > > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > > > > > > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > > > > > > > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > > > > > > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > > > > > > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > > > > > > > > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > > > > > > > > Networks group.
> > > > > > > > > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > > > > > > > > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > > > > > > > > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > > > > > > > > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > > > > > > > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> > > > > > > > > > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > > > > > > > > > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> > > > > > > > > > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> > > > > > > > > > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > > > > > > > > > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> > > > > > > > > > of deceit and of the evil produced naturally by the human
> > > > > > > > > > unregenerated and unregenerating heart, because deceit and evil is the
> > > > > > > > > > proof demonstrated so far, by the lip service of "OPEN SOURCE,
> > > > > > > > > > offering itself a tool for improvement when in fact, all it is, is a
> > > > > > > > > > disguise to cover up indifference and ignorance above all things,
> > > > > > > > > > which is what drives on and on human "PROGRESS"...toward
> > > > > > > > > > Armageddon!!!???...
> > > > > > > > > > So the question here is: "Are the leaders of thecnology following
> > > > > > > > > > their apetite for power like Incas priesthood did or are they like the
> > > > > > > > > > people who got away from them such priesthood and who ended up to
> > > > > > > > > > become slaves of Europe's expansion?"
> > > > > > > > > > Where to from here?
> > > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 29, 12:22 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
- The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a global
media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves,
where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
eliminate each other while
their new replacements are being completed"
> Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
> to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
> their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
> then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
> then apply themselves to do it.
> Benoit
> On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > Nikolay
> > On Sep 5, 6:46 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > > recovery of the planet.
> > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > > > the intangibles.
> > > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > > > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > > > > community self-governnance.
> > > > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > > > > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > > > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > > > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > > > > Benoit
> > > > > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > > > > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > > > > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > > > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > > > > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > > > > > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > > > > > capitalism to survive.
> > > > > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > > > > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > really possible?>
> > > > > > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > > > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > > > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > > > > > in progress.
> > > > > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > > > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > > > > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > > > > > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > > > > > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > > > > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > > > > > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > > > > > > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > > > > > > wont accept.
> > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > really possible?
> > > > > > > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > > > > > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > > > > > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > > > > > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > > > > > > > example, this group proves it.
> > > > > > > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > > > > > > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > > > > > > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > > > > > > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> > > > > > > > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> > > > > > > > in the World?
> > > > > > > > Not seriously ... or very seriously?
> > > > > > > > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > > > > > > > > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> > > > > > > > > the past toward the future.
> > > > > > > > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > > > > > > > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> > > > > > > > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Benoit,
> > > > > > > > > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > > > > > > > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > > > > > > > > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > > > > > > > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > > > > > > > > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > > > > > > > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > > > > > > > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > > > > > > > > > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > > > > > > > > > Networks group.
> > > > > > > > > > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > > > > > > > > > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > > > > > > > > > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > > > > > > > > > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > > > > > > > > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> > > > > > > > > > > further damage to the "confidence" of the people.
> > > > > > > > > > > Having forseen such possibility a couple years ago I wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > "...I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-Networks across the
> > > > > > > > > > > planet, even if it means calling upon everyone to do like the Incas
> > > > > > > > > > > did, who abandoned their leader, and who simply went back to the
> > > > > > > > > > > jungle instead of going on sacrificing their children to a priesthood
> > > > > > > > > > > of deceit and of the evil produced
Are you saying then that with the Rocherfefeller Foundation and the
Ford Foundation, we are on track for what is needed for the Global
Finance sufficiency?
If not, what do you propose?
Benoit
On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> - The Ford Foundation, which supported the report from Value Networks
> we are discussinghttp://networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf > and which caused your "I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-
> Networks ...";
> - The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
> you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a global
> media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves,
> where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
> sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
> eliminate each other while
> their new replacements are being completed"
> Do you want to eliminate one another? Who will create next generation
> Global Finance in that case?
> Nikolay
> On Sep 5, 9:16 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
> > to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
> > their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
> > then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
> > then apply themselves to do it.
> > Benoit
> > On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > > > recovery of the planet.
> > > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > > > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > > > > the intangibles.
> > > > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > > > > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > > > > > community self-governnance.
> > > > > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > > > > > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > > > > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > > > > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > > > > > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > > > > > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > > > > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > > > > > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > > > > > > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > > > > > > capitalism to survive.
> > > > > > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > > > > > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > > > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > really possible?>
> > > > > > > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > > > > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > > > > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > > > > > > in progress.
> > > > > > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > > > > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > > > > > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > > > > > > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > > > > > > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > > > > > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > > > > > > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > > > > > > > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > > > > > > > wont accept.
> > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > > really possible?
> > > > > > > > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > > > > > > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > > > > > > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > > > > > > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > > > > > > > > example, this group proves it.
> > > > > > > > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > > > > > > > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > > > > > > > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > > > > > > > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> > > > > > > > > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> > > > > > > > > in the World?
> > > > > > > > > Not seriously ... or very seriously?
> > > > > > > > > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > > > > > > > > > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> > > > > > > > > > the past toward the future.
> > > > > > > > > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > > > > > > > > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> > > > > > > > > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Benoit,
> > > > > > > > > > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > > > > > > > > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > > > > > > > > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > > > > > > > > > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > > > > > > > > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > > > > > > > > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think that you are equipped to present your case to the Value-
> > > > > > > > > > > > Networks group.
> > > > > > > > > > > > From the little that I can observe and understand, I agree that there
> > > > > > > > > > > > seems to be a well prepared scam going on by the few who are simply
> > > > > > > > > > > > repositioning themselves to carry on the same lopsided profit making
> > > > > > > > > > > > at the expense of all the rest.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It does not look like real solutions to me and it will end up causing
> Are you saying then that with the Rocherfefeller Foundation and the
> Ford Foundation, we are on track for what is needed for the Global
> Finance sufficiency?
> If not, what do you propose?
> Benoit
> On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > - The Ford Foundation, which supported the report from Value Networks
> > we are discussinghttp://networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf > > and which caused your "I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-
> > Networks ...";
> > - The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
> > you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a global
> > media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves,
> > where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
> > sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
> > eliminate each other while
> > their new replacements are being completed"
> > Do you want to eliminate one another? Who will create next generation
> > Global Finance in that case?
> > Nikolay
> > On Sep 5, 9:16 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
> > > to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
> > > their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
> > > then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
> > > then apply themselves to do it.
> > > Benoit
> > > On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > > > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > > > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > > > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > > > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > > > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > > > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > > > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > > > > recovery of the planet.
> > > > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > > > > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > > > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > > > > > the intangibles.
> > > > > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > > > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > > > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > > > > > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > > > > > > community self-governnance.
> > > > > > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > > > > > > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > > > > > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > > > > > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > > > > > > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > > > > > > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > > > > > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > > > > > > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > > > > > > > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > > > > > > > capitalism to survive.
> > > > > > > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > > > > > > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > > > > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > > really possible?>
> > > > > > > > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > > > > > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > > > > > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > > > > > > > in progress.
> > > > > > > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > > > > > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > > > > > > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > > > > > > > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > > > > > > > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > > > > > > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > > > > > > > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > > > > > > > > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > > > > > > > > wont accept.
> > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > > > really possible?
> > > > > > > > > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > > > > > > > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > > > > > > > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > > > > > > > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > > > > > > > > > example, this group proves it.
> > > > > > > > > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > > > > > > > > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > > > > > > > > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > > > > > > > > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not ACTION itself and
> > > > > > > > > > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in management and finance
> > > > > > > > > > in the World?
> > > > > > > > > > Not seriously ... or very seriously?
> > > > > > > > > > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?"
> > > > > > > > > > > Historically with colonisation and currently with the EU carrying over
> > > > > > > > > > > the past toward the future.
> > > > > > > > > > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist nations being used into
> > > > > > > > > > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax payers' money) while moving
> > > > > > > > > > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda that caused the crisis.
> > > > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 12:07 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Benoit,
> > > > > > > > > > > > as far as I understand myself I did not give such an appreciation -
> > > > > > > > > > > > the scam. It's an intagible trick, I suppose, because information or
> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge about thing is always between people and thing. One can
> > > > > > > > > > > > change information/knowledge about thing without changing that thing
> > > > > > > > > > > > (the Global Finance System). Is it scam? I do not know.
> > > > > > > > > > > > So, I would like to understand because do not have the case.
> > > > > > > > > > > > How Europe's expansion is connected with the Global Finance System?
What you wrote above brings me back to a question I posted in 2005::
"At what point does the difference between national currencies' value
meet in the Open Spacial Consortium (OSC)and how does the
standartization get to be applied in such a way as to avoid the East
flooding the West, once the natural order of demography begins to
compound itself into the voting powers? Sooner or later, immigration
laws, labour nessecities and the sheer limits of the environments are
begging for the question to be asked: How does OSC accomodate the
original purpose and strength of standardization, to create
preconditions for the various cultural experiences of freedom of the
innovation's driving force, when currency is the standard by which
freedom is measured, but no currencies are of the same worth?
Could it be that it will only be when we experience freedom with a
universal standard that the forces of currencies shall be guided to go
from competing to completing in the peaceful river of opportunity to
bring on home from local to global. We need to insure that OSC never
becomes a pressure from above and always a tool to ease in the
personal and the communal health and happiness. From such experience
of freedom grows the efficiency of OSC. Thank you."
> Finance is management of money. Money is measure of value. Therefore
> finance is not so important as values are. Are you sure in the values?
> Nikolay
> On Sep 5, 11:49 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Are you saying then that with the Rocherfefeller Foundation and the
> > Ford Foundation, we are on track for what is needed for the Global
> > Finance sufficiency?
> > If not, what do you propose?
> > Benoit
> > On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > - The Ford Foundation, which supported the report from Value Networks
> > > we are discussinghttp://networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf > > > and which caused your "I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-
> > > Networks ...";
> > > - The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
> > > you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a global
> > > media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves,
> > > where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
> > > sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
> > > eliminate each other while
> > > their new replacements are being completed"
> > > > Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
> > > > to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
> > > > their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
> > > > then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
> > > > then apply themselves to do it.
> > > > Benoit
> > > > On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > > > > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > > > > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > > > > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > > > > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > > > > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > > > > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > > > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > > > > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > > > > > recovery of the planet.
> > > > > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > > > > > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > > > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > > > > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > > > > > > the intangibles.
> > > > > > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > > > > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > > > > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > > > > > > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > > > > > > > community self-governnance.
> > > > > > > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > > > > > > > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > > > > > > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > > > > > > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > > > > > > > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > > > > > > > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > > > > > > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > > > > > > > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > > > > > > > > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > > > > > > > > capitalism to survive.
> > > > > > > > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > > > > > > > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > > > > > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > > > really possible?>
> > > > > > > > > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > > > > > > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > > > > > > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > > > > > > > > in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > > > > > > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > > > > > > > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > > > > > > > > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > > > > > > > > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > > > > > > > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > > > > > > > > > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > > > > > > > > > wont accept.
> > > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > > > > really possible?
> > > > > > > > > > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > > > > > > > > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > > > > > > > > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is reality and, for
> > > > > > > > > > > example, this group proves it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his last stage 'sense-
> > > > > > > > > > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is result of this
> > > > > > > > > > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to 'situate' a network is
> > > > > > > > > > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is not
> What you wrote above brings me back to a question I posted in 2005::
> "At what point does the difference between national currencies' value
> meet in the Open Spacial Consortium (OSC)and how does the
> standartization get to be applied in such a way as to avoid the East
> flooding the West, once the natural order of demography begins to
> compound itself into the voting powers? Sooner or later, immigration
> laws, labour nessecities and the sheer limits of the environments are
> begging for the question to be asked: How does OSC accomodate the
> original purpose and strength of standardization, to create
> preconditions for the various cultural experiences of freedom of the
> innovation's driving force, when currency is the standard by which
> freedom is measured, but no currencies are of the same worth?
> Could it be that it will only be when we experience freedom with a
> universal standard that the forces of currencies shall be guided to go
> from competing to completing in the peaceful river of opportunity to
> bring on home from local to global. We need to insure that OSC never
> becomes a pressure from above and always a tool to ease in the
> personal and the communal health and happiness. From such experience
> of freedom grows the efficiency of OSC. Thank you."
> I never got an answer then, but maybe will we come to some shared
> vision on the matter amongst ourselves from St-Petersburg to Edmonton?
> Benoit
> On Sep 5, 11:21 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > Finance is management of money. Money is measure of value. Therefore
> > finance is not so important as values are. Are you sure in the values?
> > Nikolay
> > On Sep 5, 11:49 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Are you saying then that with the Rocherfefeller Foundation and the
> > > Ford Foundation, we are on track for what is needed for the Global
> > > Finance sufficiency?
> > > If not, what do you propose?
> > > Benoit
> > > On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > - The Ford Foundation, which supported the report from Value Networks
> > > > we are discussinghttp://networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf > > > > and which caused your "I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-
> > > > Networks ...";
> > > > - The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
> > > > you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a global
> > > > media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves,
> > > > where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
> > > > sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
> > > > eliminate each other while
> > > > their new replacements are being completed"
> > > > > Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
> > > > > to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
> > > > > their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
> > > > > then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
> > > > > then apply themselves to do it.
> > > > > Benoit
> > > > > On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > > > > > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > > > > > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > > > > > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > > > > > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > > > > > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > > > > > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > > > > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > > > > > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > > > > > > recovery of the planet.
> > > > > > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > > > > > > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > > > > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > > > > > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > > > > > > > the intangibles.
> > > > > > > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > > > > > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > > > > > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > > > > > > > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > > > > > > > > community self-governnance.
> > > > > > > > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > > > > > > > > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > > > > > > > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > > > > > > > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > > > > > > > > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > > > > > > > > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > > > > > > > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > > > > > > > > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > > > > > > > > > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > > > > > > > > > capitalism to survive.
> > > > > > > > > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > > > > > > > > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > > > > > > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > > > > really possible?>
> > > > > > > > > > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > > > > > > > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > > > > > > > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > > > > > > > > > in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > > > > > > > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > > > > > > > > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > > > > > > > > > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > > > > > > > > > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > > > > > > > > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > > > > > > > > > > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > > > > > > > > > > wont accept.
> > > > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > > > > > really possible?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge Worker' concept -
> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking about work time only, as if these Knowledge Workers switch
> > > > > > > > > > > > off their brains after work time. An example:
Freedom can be invested in to develop and to maintain satisfaction and
contentment! Good health and hapiness are the reward of such
investment. Currencies and trading can then be measured accordingly.
Benoit
On Sep 6, 10:58 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> "when currency is the standard by which
> freedom is measured"
> Do you think freedom can be sold or bought?
> Nikolay
> On Sep 6, 5:40 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What you wrote above brings me back to a question I posted in 2005::
> > "At what point does the difference between national currencies' value
> > meet in the Open Spacial Consortium (OSC)and how does the
> > standartization get to be applied in such a way as to avoid the East
> > flooding the West, once the natural order of demography begins to
> > compound itself into the voting powers? Sooner or later, immigration
> > laws, labour nessecities and the sheer limits of the environments are
> > begging for the question to be asked: How does OSC accomodate the
> > original purpose and strength of standardization, to create
> > preconditions for the various cultural experiences of freedom of the
> > innovation's driving force, when currency is the standard by which
> > freedom is measured, but no currencies are of the same worth?
> > Could it be that it will only be when we experience freedom with a
> > universal standard that the forces of currencies shall be guided to go
> > from competing to completing in the peaceful river of opportunity to
> > bring on home from local to global. We need to insure that OSC never
> > becomes a pressure from above and always a tool to ease in the
> > personal and the communal health and happiness. From such experience
> > of freedom grows the efficiency of OSC. Thank you."
> > I never got an answer then, but maybe will we come to some shared
> > vision on the matter amongst ourselves from St-Petersburg to Edmonton?
> > Benoit
> > On Sep 5, 11:21 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > Finance is management of money. Money is measure of value. Therefore
> > > finance is not so important as values are. Are you sure in the values?
> > > > Are you saying then that with the Rocherfefeller Foundation and the
> > > > Ford Foundation, we are on track for what is needed for the Global
> > > > Finance sufficiency?
> > > > If not, what do you propose?
> > > > Benoit
> > > > On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > - The Ford Foundation, which supported the report from Value Networks
> > > > > we are discussinghttp://networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf > > > > > and which caused your "I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-
> > > > > Networks ...";
> > > > > - The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
> > > > > you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a global
> > > > > media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves,
> > > > > where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
> > > > > sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
> > > > > eliminate each other while
> > > > > their new replacements are being completed"
> > > > > > Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
> > > > > > to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
> > > > > > their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
> > > > > > then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
> > > > > > then apply themselves to do it.
> > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > > > > > > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > > > > > > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > > > > > > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > > > > > > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > > > > > > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > > > > > > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > > > > > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > > > > > > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > > > > > > > recovery of the planet.
> > > > > > > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > > > > > > > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > > > > > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > > > > > > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > > > > > > > > the intangibles.
> > > > > > > > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > > > > > > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > > > > > > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > > > > > > > > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > > > > > > > > > community self-governnance.
> > > > > > > > > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > > > > > > > > > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > > > > > > > > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > > > > > > > > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > > > > > > > > > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > > > > > > > > > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > > > > > > > > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > > > > > > > > > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > > > > > > > > > > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > > > > > > > > > > capitalism to survive.
> > > > > > > > > > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > > > > > > > > > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > > > > > > > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > > > > > really possible?>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > > > > > > > > > > in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > > > > > > > > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > > > > > > > > > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that can survive with
> > > > > > > > > > > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not to associate,
> > > > > > > > > > > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > > > > > > > > > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will follow suit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way that will go on
> > > > > > > > > > > > serving the very few at the expense of the many, many...which most
> > > > > > > > > > > > wont accept.
As I can understand English "invest in" means "buy". So, is your
value to buy/sell satisfaction due to overproduction of freedom? Do
you really think freedom can be outside you or another person,
produced, invested/borrowed?
If all this is your understanding of freedom, you are not free, I
think. That means you will change everything except yourself even if
you are mistaken.
Am I correct?
Nikolay
On Sep 7, 2:28 am, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Freedom can be invested in to develop and to maintain satisfaction and
> contentment! Good health and hapiness are the reward of such
> investment. Currencies and trading can then be measured accordingly.
> Benoit
> On Sep 6, 10:58 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > "when currency is the standard by which
> > freedom is measured"
> > Do you think freedom can be sold or bought?
> > Nikolay
> > On Sep 6, 5:40 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > What you wrote above brings me back to a question I posted in 2005::
> > > "At what point does the difference between national currencies' value
> > > meet in the Open Spacial Consortium (OSC)and how does the
> > > standartization get to be applied in such a way as to avoid the East
> > > flooding the West, once the natural order of demography begins to
> > > compound itself into the voting powers? Sooner or later, immigration
> > > laws, labour nessecities and the sheer limits of the environments are
> > > begging for the question to be asked: How does OSC accomodate the
> > > original purpose and strength of standardization, to create
> > > preconditions for the various cultural experiences of freedom of the
> > > innovation's driving force, when currency is the standard by which
> > > freedom is measured, but no currencies are of the same worth?
> > > Could it be that it will only be when we experience freedom with a
> > > universal standard that the forces of currencies shall be guided to go
> > > from competing to completing in the peaceful river of opportunity to
> > > bring on home from local to global. We need to insure that OSC never
> > > becomes a pressure from above and always a tool to ease in the
> > > personal and the communal health and happiness. From such experience
> > > of freedom grows the efficiency of OSC. Thank you."
> > > I never got an answer then, but maybe will we come to some shared
> > > vision on the matter amongst ourselves from St-Petersburg to Edmonton?
> > > Benoit
> > > On Sep 5, 11:21 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > Finance is management of money. Money is measure of value. Therefore
> > > > finance is not so important as values are. Are you sure in the values?
> > > > > Are you saying then that with the Rocherfefeller Foundation and the
> > > > > Ford Foundation, we are on track for what is needed for the Global
> > > > > Finance sufficiency?
> > > > > If not, what do you propose?
> > > > > Benoit
> > > > > On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > - The Ford Foundation, which supported the report from Value Networks
> > > > > > we are discussinghttp://networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf > > > > > > and which caused your "I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-
> > > > > > Networks ...";
> > > > > > - The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
> > > > > > you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a global
> > > > > > media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves,
> > > > > > where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
> > > > > > sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
> > > > > > eliminate each other while
> > > > > > their new replacements are being completed"
> > > > > > > Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
> > > > > > > to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
> > > > > > > their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
> > > > > > > then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
> > > > > > > then apply themselves to do it.
> > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > > > > > > > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > > > > > > > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > > > > > > > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > > > > > > > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > > > > > > > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > > > > > > > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > > > > > > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > > > > > > > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > > > > > > > > recovery of the planet.
> > > > > > > > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > > > > > > > > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > > > > > > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > > > > > > > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > > > > > > > > > the intangibles.
> > > > > > > > > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > > > > > > > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > > > > > > > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > > > > > > > > > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > > > > > > > > > > community self-governnance.
> > > > > > > > > > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > > > > > > > > > > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > > > > > > > > > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > > > > > > > > > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > > > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving the very few at
> > > > > > > > > > > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be substituted by
> > > > > > > > > > > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > > > > > > > > > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't recognise) Sweden.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly named
> > > > > > > > > > > > communism was originally designed by European marxists to help
> > > > > > > > > > > > capitalism to survive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in the home
> > > > > > > > > > > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do you think is it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > really possible?>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was refering to history, from which the present comes to most of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by snapping away from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without evolving and growing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to determine the boundaries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a network is going
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a network
It is not a problem of understanding English well or not as you
wondered, it is a matter of speaking from the first nature that rules
human's current governance, versus the second nature, which
governance's is yet to come.
I speak from being-having-doing. Business economics speak from doing-
having-being.
When I speak of investing in freedom, I speak of th ewealth of
"becoming" from conception to the grave and from personal to communal,
you respond with the patterns of financial wealth acquisition.
Your's is worth nothing to mine and mine is worth nothing to your's,
but we are stuck, having to co-habit.
To me, being free, is to be free from the version of investment that
business economics speak from.
That is how I view our need to get on with the global finace
sufficiency in the currency from local to global, without neglecting
the care needed from micro to macro.
Also regarding your impression that I advocated "satisfaction due to
overproduction of freedom", it is against imbalances such as that,
that I wrote earlier about "mindless consumerism and
unsustainability", .
As an example to reply to that quote of "my satisfaction due to
overproduction of freedom", in Canada, people value the freedom of
expression. It is part of our Charter of Rights and Freedom.
Since about 1983, when the Charter took effect, in order to stay true
to the spirit of the Charter, the Supreme Court of Canada has to keep
the balance between the freedom of expression and, that which is not
writen, the expression of freedom.
As it goes now, the recovery being applied to the credit crisis seems
to indicate as you say: "I am not free". We are not moving toward
being-having-doing. Everything seems to be gearing up and reving up
for more over consumerism for the sake of financial gain.
Benoit
On Sep 6, 11:59 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> As I can understand English "invest in" means "buy". So, is your
> value to buy/sell satisfaction due to overproduction of freedom? Do
> you really think freedom can be outside you or another person,
> produced, invested/borrowed?
> If all this is your understanding of freedom, you are not free, I
> think. That means you will change everything except yourself even if
> you are mistaken.
> Am I correct?
> Nikolay
> On Sep 7, 2:28 am, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Freedom can be invested in to develop and to maintain satisfaction and
> > contentment! Good health and hapiness are the reward of such
> > investment. Currencies and trading can then be measured accordingly.
> > Benoit
> > On Sep 6, 10:58 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > "when currency is the standard by which
> > > freedom is measured"
> > > > What you wrote above brings me back to a question I posted in 2005::
> > > > "At what point does the difference between national currencies' value
> > > > meet in the Open Spacial Consortium (OSC)and how does the
> > > > standartization get to be applied in such a way as to avoid the East
> > > > flooding the West, once the natural order of demography begins to
> > > > compound itself into the voting powers? Sooner or later, immigration
> > > > laws, labour nessecities and the sheer limits of the environments are
> > > > begging for the question to be asked: How does OSC accomodate the
> > > > original purpose and strength of standardization, to create
> > > > preconditions for the various cultural experiences of freedom of the
> > > > innovation's driving force, when currency is the standard by which
> > > > freedom is measured, but no currencies are of the same worth?
> > > > Could it be that it will only be when we experience freedom with a
> > > > universal standard that the forces of currencies shall be guided to go
> > > > from competing to completing in the peaceful river of opportunity to
> > > > bring on home from local to global. We need to insure that OSC never
> > > > becomes a pressure from above and always a tool to ease in the
> > > > personal and the communal health and happiness. From such experience
> > > > of freedom grows the efficiency of OSC. Thank you."
> > > > I never got an answer then, but maybe will we come to some shared
> > > > vision on the matter amongst ourselves from St-Petersburg to Edmonton?
> > > > Benoit
> > > > On Sep 5, 11:21 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > Finance is management of money. Money is measure of value. Therefore
> > > > > finance is not so important as values are. Are you sure in the values?
> > > > > > Are you saying then that with the Rocherfefeller Foundation and the
> > > > > > Ford Foundation, we are on track for what is needed for the Global
> > > > > > Finance sufficiency?
> > > > > > If not, what do you propose?
> > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > - The Ford Foundation, which supported the report from Value Networks
> > > > > > > we are discussinghttp://networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf > > > > > > > and which caused your "I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-
> > > > > > > Networks ...";
> > > > > > > - The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
> > > > > > > you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a global
> > > > > > > media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves,
> > > > > > > where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
> > > > > > > sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
> > > > > > > eliminate each other while
> > > > > > > their new replacements are being completed"
> > > > > > > > Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
> > > > > > > > to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
> > > > > > > > their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
> > > > > > > > then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
> > > > > > > > then apply themselves to do it.
> > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > > > > > > > > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > > > > > > > > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > > > > > > > > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > > > > > > > > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > > > > > > > > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > > > > > > > > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > > > > > > > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > > > > > > > > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > > > > > > > > > recovery of the planet.
> > > > > > > > > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > > > > > > > > > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > > > > > > > > > > the intangibles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > > > > > > > > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > > > > > > > > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and control.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and move to
> > > > > > > > > > > > community self-governnance.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as they are rooted
> > > > > > > > > > > > in personal and communal need leading to self-sifficiency, as opposed
> > > > > > > > > > > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to institutionalisation leading
> > > > > > > > > > > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> It is not a problem of understanding English well or not as you
> wondered, it is a matter of speaking from the first nature that rules
> human's current governance, versus the second nature, which
> governance's is yet to come.
> I speak from being-having-doing. Business economics speak from doing-
> having-being.
> When I speak of investing in freedom, I speak of th ewealth of
> "becoming" from conception to the grave and from personal to communal,
> you respond with the patterns of financial wealth acquisition.
> Your's is worth nothing to mine and mine is worth nothing to your's,
> but we are stuck, having to co-habit.
> To me, being free, is to be free from the version of investment that
> business economics speak from.
> That is how I view our need to get on with the global finace
> sufficiency in the currency from local to global, without neglecting
> the care needed from micro to macro.
> Also regarding your impression that I advocated "satisfaction due to
> overproduction of freedom", it is against imbalances such as that,
> that I wrote earlier about "mindless consumerism and
> unsustainability", .
> As an example to reply to that quote of "my satisfaction due to
> overproduction of freedom", in Canada, people value the freedom of
> expression. It is part of our Charter of Rights and Freedom.
> Since about 1983, when the Charter took effect, in order to stay true
> to the spirit of the Charter, the Supreme Court of Canada has to keep
> the balance between the freedom of expression and, that which is not
> writen, the expression of freedom.
> As it goes now, the recovery being applied to the credit crisis seems
> to indicate as you say: "I am not free". We are not moving toward
> being-having-doing. Everything seems to be gearing up and reving up
> for more over consumerism for the sake of financial gain.
> Benoit
> On Sep 6, 11:59 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > As I can understand English "invest in" means "buy". So, is your
> > value to buy/sell satisfaction due to overproduction of freedom? Do
> > you really think freedom can be outside you or another person,
> > produced, invested/borrowed?
> > If all this is your understanding of freedom, you are not free, I
> > think. That means you will change everything except yourself even if
> > you are mistaken.
> > Am I correct?
> > Nikolay
> > On Sep 7, 2:28 am, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Freedom can be invested in to develop and to maintain satisfaction and
> > > contentment! Good health and hapiness are the reward of such
> > > investment. Currencies and trading can then be measured accordingly.
> > > Benoit
> > > On Sep 6, 10:58 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > "when currency is the standard by which
> > > > freedom is measured"
> > > > Do you think freedom can be sold or bought?
> > > > > What you wrote above brings me back to a question I posted in 2005::
> > > > > "At what point does the difference between national currencies' value
> > > > > meet in the Open Spacial Consortium (OSC)and how does the
> > > > > standartization get to be applied in such a way as to avoid the East
> > > > > flooding the West, once the natural order of demography begins to
> > > > > compound itself into the voting powers? Sooner or later, immigration
> > > > > laws, labour nessecities and the sheer limits of the environments are
> > > > > begging for the question to be asked: How does OSC accomodate the
> > > > > original purpose and strength of standardization, to create
> > > > > preconditions for the various cultural experiences of freedom of the
> > > > > innovation's driving force, when currency is the standard by which
> > > > > freedom is measured, but no currencies are of the same worth?
> > > > > Could it be that it will only be when we experience freedom with a
> > > > > universal standard that the forces of currencies shall be guided to go
> > > > > from competing to completing in the peaceful river of opportunity to
> > > > > bring on home from local to global. We need to insure that OSC never
> > > > > becomes a pressure from above and always a tool to ease in the
> > > > > personal and the communal health and happiness. From such experience
> > > > > of freedom grows the efficiency of OSC. Thank you."
> > > > > I never got an answer then, but maybe will we come to some shared
> > > > > vision on the matter amongst ourselves from St-Petersburg to Edmonton?
> > > > > Benoit
> > > > > On Sep 5, 11:21 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > Finance is management of money. Money is measure of value. Therefore
> > > > > > finance is not so important as values are. Are you sure in the values?
> > > > > > > Are you saying then that with the Rocherfefeller Foundation and the
> > > > > > > Ford Foundation, we are on track for what is needed for the Global
> > > > > > > Finance sufficiency?
> > > > > > > If not, what do you propose?
> > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > - The Ford Foundation, which supported the report from Value Networks
> > > > > > > > we are discussinghttp://networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf > > > > > > > > and which caused your "I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-
> > > > > > > > Networks ...";
> > > > > > > > - The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
> > > > > > > > you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a global
> > > > > > > > media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves,
> > > > > > > > where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
> > > > > > > > sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
> > > > > > > > eliminate each other while
> > > > > > > > their new replacements are being completed"
> > > > > > > > > Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
> > > > > > > > > to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
> > > > > > > > > their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
> > > > > > > > > then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
> > > > > > > > > then apply themselves to do it.
> > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > > > > > > > > > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > > > > > > > > > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > > > > > > > > > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > > > > > > > > > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > > > > > > > > > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > > > > > > > > > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > > > > > > > > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > > > > > > > > > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > > > > > > > > > > recovery of the planet.
> > > > > > > > > > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > > > > > > > > > > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace sufficiency?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or lack of, of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the intangibles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few who get served
> > > > > > > > > > > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause imbalances by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing
> > Your's is worth nothing to mine and mine is worth nothing to your's,
> > but we are stuck, having to co-habit.
> As I can see I am a burden to you :)
> Nikolay
> On Sep 7, 2:56 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <If all this is your understanding of freedom>
> > It is not a problem of understanding English well or not as you
> > wondered, it is a matter of speaking from the first nature that rules
> > human's current governance, versus the second nature, which
> > governance's is yet to come.
> > I speak from being-having-doing. Business economics speak from doing-
> > having-being.
> > When I speak of investing in freedom, I speak of th ewealth of
> > "becoming" from conception to the grave and from personal to communal,
> > you respond with the patterns of financial wealth acquisition.
> > Your's is worth nothing to mine and mine is worth nothing to your's,
> > but we are stuck, having to co-habit.
> > To me, being free, is to be free from the version of investment that
> > business economics speak from.
> > That is how I view our need to get on with the global finace
> > sufficiency in the currency from local to global, without neglecting
> > the care needed from micro to macro.
> > Also regarding your impression that I advocated "satisfaction due to
> > overproduction of freedom", it is against imbalances such as that,
> > that I wrote earlier about "mindless consumerism and
> > unsustainability", .
> > As an example to reply to that quote of "my satisfaction due to
> > overproduction of freedom", in Canada, people value the freedom of
> > expression. It is part of our Charter of Rights and Freedom.
> > Since about 1983, when the Charter took effect, in order to stay true
> > to the spirit of the Charter, the Supreme Court of Canada has to keep
> > the balance between the freedom of expression and, that which is not
> > writen, the expression of freedom.
> > As it goes now, the recovery being applied to the credit crisis seems
> > to indicate as you say: "I am not free". We are not moving toward
> > being-having-doing. Everything seems to be gearing up and reving up
> > for more over consumerism for the sake of financial gain.
> > Benoit
> > On Sep 6, 11:59 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > As I can understand English "invest in" means "buy". So, is your
> > > value to buy/sell satisfaction due to overproduction of freedom? Do
> > > you really think freedom can be outside you or another person,
> > > produced, invested/borrowed?
> > > If all this is your understanding of freedom, you are not free, I
> > > think. That means you will change everything except yourself even if
> > > you are mistaken.
> > > > Freedom can be invested in to develop and to maintain satisfaction and
> > > > contentment! Good health and hapiness are the reward of such
> > > > investment. Currencies and trading can then be measured accordingly.
> > > > Benoit
> > > > On Sep 6, 10:58 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > "when currency is the standard by which
> > > > > freedom is measured"
> > > > > Do you think freedom can be sold or bought?
> > > > > > What you wrote above brings me back to a question I posted in 2005::
> > > > > > "At what point does the difference between national currencies' value
> > > > > > meet in the Open Spacial Consortium (OSC)and how does the
> > > > > > standartization get to be applied in such a way as to avoid the East
> > > > > > flooding the West, once the natural order of demography begins to
> > > > > > compound itself into the voting powers? Sooner or later, immigration
> > > > > > laws, labour nessecities and the sheer limits of the environments are
> > > > > > begging for the question to be asked: How does OSC accomodate the
> > > > > > original purpose and strength of standardization, to create
> > > > > > preconditions for the various cultural experiences of freedom of the
> > > > > > innovation's driving force, when currency is the standard by which
> > > > > > freedom is measured, but no currencies are of the same worth?
> > > > > > Could it be that it will only be when we experience freedom with a
> > > > > > universal standard that the forces of currencies shall be guided to go
> > > > > > from competing to completing in the peaceful river of opportunity to
> > > > > > bring on home from local to global. We need to insure that OSC never
> > > > > > becomes a pressure from above and always a tool to ease in the
> > > > > > personal and the communal health and happiness. From such experience
> > > > > > of freedom grows the efficiency of OSC. Thank you."
> > > > > > I never got an answer then, but maybe will we come to some shared
> > > > > > vision on the matter amongst ourselves from St-Petersburg to Edmonton?
> > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > On Sep 5, 11:21 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > Finance is management of money. Money is measure of value. Therefore
> > > > > > > finance is not so important as values are. Are you sure in the values?
> > > > > > > > Are you saying then that with the Rocherfefeller Foundation and the
> > > > > > > > Ford Foundation, we are on track for what is needed for the Global
> > > > > > > > Finance sufficiency?
> > > > > > > > If not, what do you propose?
> > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > - The Ford Foundation, which supported the report from Value Networks
> > > > > > > > > we are discussinghttp://networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf > > > > > > > > > and which caused your "I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-
> > > > > > > > > Networks ...";
> > > > > > > > > - The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
> > > > > > > > > you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a global
> > > > > > > > > media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves,
> > > > > > > > > where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
> > > > > > > > > sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
> > > > > > > > > eliminate each other while
> > > > > > > > > their new replacements are being completed"
> > > > > > > > > > Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit conflict
> > > > > > > > > > to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy doing
> > > > > > > > > > their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and conquer"m
> > > > > > > > > > then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful solutions can
> > > > > > > > > > then apply themselves to do it.
> > > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > > > > > > > > > > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > > > > > > > > > > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process from
> > > > > > > > > > > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all bankers
> > > > > > > > > > > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency and all of
> > > > > > > > > > > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other while
> > > > > > > > > > > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools into
> > > > > > > > > > > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to the
> > > > > > > > > > > > recovery of the planet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from Copenhagen
> > > > > > > > > > > > at the summit on climate change.
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: knowledgepersons@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:knowledgepersons@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag von Nikolay
> Kryachkov
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. September 2009 07:22
> An: KnowledgePersons
> Betreff: [Knowledge Persons] Re: Creating a Global Finance System for
> the 21st Century: An Action Strategy
> Finance is management of money. Money is measure of value. Therefore
> finance is not so important as values are. Are you sure in the values?
> Nikolay
> On Sep 5, 11:49 pm, Benoit <ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Are you saying then that with the Rocherfefeller Foundation and the
> > Ford Foundation, we are on track for what is needed for the Global
> > Finance sufficiency?
> > If not, what do you propose?
> > Benoit
> > On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > - The Ford Foundation, which supported the report from Value
> Networks
> > > we are
> discussinghttp://networkingaction.net/resources/GFI+Final+Report.pdf > > > and which caused your "I hope to be the poison to kill such Value-
> > > Networks ...";
> > > - The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller is the global banker and
> > > you said about bankers: "So then, maybe it is time to build a
> global
> > > media process from bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst
> themselves,
> > > where all bankers and financers who refuse to join Global Finance
> > > sufficiency and all of the necessary-ideal intangibles get to
> > > eliminate each other while
> > > their new replacements are being completed"
> > > > Conflict is supported by finance. What I suggest is to limit
> conflict
> > > > to those who support it, isolate them and while they get busy
> doing
> > > > their own dirty work, instead of leaving them to "divide and
> conquer"m
> > > > then the rest of the people who are looking for peaceful
> solutions can
> > > > then apply themselves to do it.
> > > > Benoit
> > > > On Sep 5, 11:03 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru> wrote:
> > > > > Still can't understand what novelty in finance you and/or open
> > > > > democrats suggest except conflict? Can you explain?
> > > > > > So then, maybe it is time to build a global media process
> from
> > > > > > bankers' turf to bankers' war amongst themselves, where all
> bankers
> > > > > > and financers who refuse to join Global Finance sufficiency
> and all of
> > > > > > the necessary-ideal intangibles get to eliminate each other
> while
> > > > > > their new replacements are being completed.
> > > > > > Then all governments work to convert all of the war tools
> into
> > > > > > agricultural tools and whatever else might be applicable to
> the
> > > > > > recovery of the planet.
> > > > > > The launch date of such a process could be Sep 21, 09 from
> Copenhagen
> > > > > > at the summit on climate change.
> > > > > > > > "Any ideas to determine the boundaries of Global Finace
> sufficiency?"
> > > > > > > > I see these boundaries being determined by the quality or
> lack of, of
> > > > > > > > the intangibles.
> > > > > > > > As you point out regarding bank interest, the very few
> who get served
> > > > > > > > at the expense of the many, many must not cause
> imbalances by
> > > > > > > > neglecting the intangibles while imposing command and
> control.
> > > > > > > > The quality of intangibles begin with self-control and
> move to
> > > > > > > > community self-governnance.
> > > > > > > > The boudaries can then be defined and kept stable, as
> they are rooted
> > > > > > > > in personal and communal need leading to self-
> sifficiency, as opposed
> > > > > > > > to impersonal fabrications subjected to
> institutionalisation leading
> > > > > > > > to mindless consumerism and unsustainability.
> > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 10:52 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I think economic (bank interest) growth means 'serving
> the very few at
> > > > > > > > > the expense of the many, many', but the very few can be
> substituted by
> > > > > > > > > netocracy (about which I wrote 3 years ago)
> > > > > > > > > which is designed in capitalist or socialist (can't
> recognise) Sweden.
> > > > > > > > > Former Soviet global networked socialist system wrongly
> named
> > > > > > > > > communism was originally designed by European marxists
> to help
> > > > > > > > > capitalism to survive.
> > > > > > > > > Look - socialists are not based in Moscow, they are in
> the home
> > > > > > > > > country of modern capitalism:
> > > > > > > > > > <Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do
> you think is it
> > > > > > > > > > really possible?>
> > > > > > > > > > I was refering to history, from which the present
> comes to most of the
> > > > > > > > > > planet's nations. The future cannot arrive by
> snapping away from the
> > > > > > > > > > present and the past, but it cannot go on without
> evolving and growing
> > > > > > > > > > in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > Knowledge People of network-thinking need to
> determine the boundaries
> > > > > > > > > > of sufficiency, meaning that the day is coming when a
> network is going
> > > > > > > > > > to be a network because it is an economic wheel that
> can survive with
> > > > > > > > > > the ability to associate with other network(s) or not
> to associate,
> > > > > > > > > > without having its people's survival compromised.
> > > > > > > > > > As we learn to act this way, global finance will
> follow suit.
> > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, we are bound to repeat history in a way
> that will go on
> > > > > > > > > > serving the very few at the expense of the many,
> many...which most
> > > > > > > > > > wont accept.
> > > > > > > > > > Benoit
> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Nikolay Kryachkov <nk...@mail.ru>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Are you about colonisation of the future by EU? Do
> you think is it
> > > > > > > > > > > really possible?
> > > > > > > > > > > Science in management is in the past - 'Knowledge
> Worker' concept -
> > > > > > > > > > > thinking about work time only, as if these
> Knowledge Workers switch
> > > > > > > > > > > off their brains after work time. An example:
> > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observation, but Knowlege Person is
> reality and, for
> > > > > > > > > > > example, this group proves it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Dave Snowden is probably correct if to convert his
> last stage 'sense-
> > > > > > > > > > > making' into the Global Finance issue. But what is
> result of this
> > > > > > > > > > > sense-making and what will be next? Ability to
> 'situate' a network is
> > > > > > > > > > > too far from responsibility because 'ability' is
> not ACTION itself and
> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is about action. Is it NO FUTURE in
> management and finance
> > > > > > > > > > > in the World?
> > > > > > > > > > > Not seriously ... or very seriously?
> > > > > > > > > > > > "How Europe's expansion is connected with the
> Global Finance System?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > Historically with colonisation and currently with
> the EU carrying over
> > > > > > > > > > > > the past toward the future.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The "scam" to me is to watch the capitalist
> nations being used into
> > > > > > > > > > > > socialist ways to economically recover(tax
> payers' money) while moving
> > > > > > > > > > > > on in the same profit-driven corporate agenda
> that caused the crisis.
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