Reflection on 2009- knanaya groups

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manoj kuriakose

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Dec 31, 2009, 8:53:36 PM12/31/09
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Words that come out of our mouth reflects our personality. Some of the emails that float around does not reflect the royal culture of knanites. Personally i do not care who writes articles but i certainly value the good suggestions and biblical insights that they generate. But some mails have made me feel an aversion towards a few names when it pops up in the mailbox.  
 
I would very much love to see these knanaya groups regaining their lost standard and initiate good and thought provoking debates. Thanks to all those eminent people who have made valuable contributions. May the new year provide us with good thoughts and topics.
 
Happy New Year.
 
Manoj Kuriakose
Kavumkal
Ranny.
 
Perth, Australia. 


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Sent: Fri, 1 January, 2010 2:44:40 AM
Subject: New Year Message!!

New Year Message!!

Dear Knanyaits around the world;

Few individuals from our community personally took their time, money, and effort to develop an interactive forum for us. Now, we can use this forum to share good information, and ideas that impact our life and our community around the world today.

We have to appreciate their selfless effort and convey our gratitude to;

1.  Abe Abraham Uncle, for Knan...@googlegroup.com

2.   Vinod Kuriakose, of knanay...@googlegroups.com

3.  Moderator of Knanyalar...@googlegroup.com

Recently, great deal of information floating around in some of the groups that are, extremely derogatory, and with heavy overtone of personal attacks. I believe the original intent of the Knanaya groups has been derailed and sidelined by some. My request to all of our Knanaya Community members; please use more civilized language to express differences of opinion. Please avoid; profanity, inappropriate, demeaning, inhumane, savage, belligerent, and personal attacks.

I personally spoke to several of the senior-youth in Northeastern part of USA. Outcome of the interaction from the youth was that, such style of email potentially leads in to serious damage to our community.  I cannot overemphasize the importance of using decent language to express your personal view, perspective, and the difference-of-opinions in a political-discourse.

Therefore, there is a serious concern that, our youth, and senior-youth will turn away from our community.  There will be a mass defection, and exodus rate in our community. As is the case right now! We are one, and we need to come together. Stop the bleeding [losing our second generation]. I believe this is more important  than the ecclesiastical issue which we have right now. Therefore, we, the community have to prioritize the issue with greater care and seriousness.

I wish you a wonderful and prosperous New Year for you and your family!!

I am unworthy to be, and I am the very least in our community. I have no moral right to ask you to  be more civilized.

Sincerely,

Rajan P. Kuriakose.

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Kuri...@yahoo.com

(631) 375-3138

Long Island, New York.

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Sajan

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Jan 2, 2010, 1:33:18 AM1/2/10
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Hi
There is no objection to the fact that using
foul and un-parliamentary languages in a serious forum like this reflects the substandard of a community. But as all of us know that the standard of a community is something which is genetically prevailing or shaped in a long time frame, it doesn't change over night. so on the net it is just a mirror image of what is prevailing "offline". only difference is that ONLINE it is more visible and identifiable than the OFFLINE behavior.

Every single atom in this world has a purpose to exist. So the popular knanaya groups which is servicing to a large knanaya members around the world should explicitly mention it's purpose in it's preamble. if this forum is for only  discussions on matters of religion & faith then what Manoj Abraham Kavumkal and Rajan Kuriakose are telling is undisputed facts. But if it is meant for discussing the problems our community is facing then political views are bound to arise. it cannot be avoided. World over look at the phenomena. in every single meetings even at the apex levels foul plays are happening. everyone would love to protect their interest at "ANY COST". Look at what happened at the Copenhagen meet which was meant for protecting the world. countries had only their own interest in their mind than the future of the WORLD collectively. similarly individuals who are seemingly participating in a discussion for the betterment of the whole community, may knowingly or unknowingly take sides as long as the community is not unipolar and Pyramidal, as it was two three years back. 

I am not telling that we should use foul languages or beat down someone else personally, it must be resisted. But i am just telling that as long as there are discussions, "protecting own interest" is unavoidable - it is an axiomatic fact. It is the downside of a discussion. That doesn't mean that we should stay away from discussions on problems that affects our community.

Also we must remember that "YATHA RAJA THATHA PRAJA" If the people at the top start acting in the interest of our community instead of indulging in foul plays, then the criticisms and discussions will reduce ( but it cannot be eliminated 100% because as J B Shaw puts it "it is foolishness to expect absolute perfectness in an IMPERFECT world) and Bible says that No human being in this world is perfect other than HIS BELOVED SON.

so we must understand that the world is Imperfect. Crookedness, fighting,are all here to remain until the end of the world. We simply can't wish away the cockfights among our members, especially when we are of Jewish descend .
It is worth to observe what Hitler has mentioned in his famous book "
Mein Kampf" that "Jews are like horses who gather together when there is a common threat and fight the threat, the moment the threat is thwarted they simply disperse and fight among themselves"
Not justifying the views of Hitler and his actions, I personally feel that his observation about Jews in this particular nature is true, if we the knanayites are true descendants of Jews. Because now we are demonstrating the same quality. we come together if there is a common threat - if not fight among us.


In short, not in 2010, even in near future there is no scope for the infighting to cease, unless the leadership recognize the mistake and care to take this samudayam UNIFIED. Until then the plebeians of the community will react via mails,hoping against the hope that their mails will play the role of "ANNARA KANNANUM THANNAL AYATHU".

If not, we will simply be discussing biblical words online while the structure of the samudayam would be crumbling at one side, unnoticed.

Again I am reiterating that My article is not meant to glorify the personal attacks or derogatory words but just to mention that the healthy discussion about the weaknesses and "off the track" progress of a community has to be discussed and brought to the notice of the concerned person. Only if there is a vigilant media the powers that be have some control over their decisions. For eg: Now in Indian media they are relentlessly showing a case "Molester DIG Rathore" in Haryana. He had molested a minor girl who finally committed suicide. 19years later he is convicted after his promotion as the DGP,the top most post an IPS officer can attain and after his retirement - now he has been awarded a trifle 6 months imprisonment. But the media took it up. they called him MOLESTER COP. 24x7 they showed the injustice meted out to the minor girl, the media used a lot of uncomplimentary words to describe him. Finally the result - the case is reopened, serious charges are to be framed,new FIR lodged, the union cabinet is in the process of drafting a new law on sexual offense - that is speedy and time bound trial. If the media had sit quite by just showing what has happened ( that is what is the primary role of a media is) instead of reacting to the situation, what would have happened to this particular case? (this point was mentioned to highlight the importance of discussion on GROUPS even though it maynot yield any immediate result).
(No offenses meant to any one and all these are my personal views and debatable)

In a nutshell:
  • if this forum is meant for discussions on social matters, then we must continue to discuss all the subject but take care of the language used and refrain from attacking someone personally
  • Instead of identifying problems alone come out with solutions too. because if someone doesn't have a solution to a problem he/she should refrain from criticism alone. because a constructive criticism is all about put forwarding solutions too.
  • while being gentle one has to have to courage to speak what he feels is RIGHT and good for his community. There is a growing tendency to shy away from asserting one's view and stay gentle even if the community is at the verge of collapse. Mr.Rajan mentions that we may lose members. Instead of leaving  the community a true member of this communty should stay put and try to cure the problem.if the same problem happens affects to some one close to them they will not run away, they will instead try to cure it. that is what men of character do. they will not run away if they truly love their community.
  • But even if someone runs away let them. because jesus has his promise to small numbers, reference "cheriya attinkootame ningal bhayapedanda" 
Wishing everyone a HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Sajan Mathew,Payyanattu,Chingavanam



 

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