Education Committee Agenda for 8 PM Tonight
pe...@mooney.ws
From: Hoofer Sailing Club Education Representative <educ...@hoofersailing.org>
Date: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:16 PM
Subject: Education Committee Agenda and Minutes
The minutes from our last two meetings can be found online at:
......
.......Everything else we are working through will be presented to the BOC for approval at a later meeting since we are still working out the details this week and possibly next week.
Our agenda for (Thursday 3/25/2010) (8PM - Chartroom) will be as follows:
- Introductions (5 minutes)
- Approve Agenda (1 minute)
- Review of last week's meeting and approve minutes (5 minutes)
- Approve J-Fleet Checklists (15 minutes) - Justin
- See attached template
- Unification of keelboat and j-fleet checklists (10 minutes) - Justin
- Make all but boat-specific knowledge and skills common across all keelboat fleets (Js, cruisers, racing)
- Allows students to progress towards ASA 101 on boats other than the J-fleet if they so desire
- Allows for more crossover between fleets
- J-spinnaker requirements would count for the spinnaker crew requirements for Decoy, Toy Boat and Soma
- Would not change essence of requirements on any fleet, would only streamline the process, making it easier for sailors to jump between fleets
- Basic Keelboat on Knotty Rascal (10 minutes) - Justin
- Unifying prerequisites for J-fleet and Keelboats (10 minutes) - Justin
- Require 8-9 hour "Introduction to Keelboat Sailing" class or Badger Sloop rating to take lessons on both the J-fleet and keelboats
- Two 4 hour lessons or three 3 hour lessons
- Would only have to be taken once
- Should greatly improve efficiency of keelboat lessons without causing major disruptions to the flowchart
- Instructor Compensation (45 minutes) - Tom
- Allow student (paid) instruction on the keelboats during the morning and afternoon while still maintaining scheduling preference for volunteer instructors
- Opens the keelboat instruction venue to student leaders which are the stated focus of the sailing club
- Should increase appeal of keelboats to student members who make up a majority of the club
- Make sure that student employees are rated and qualified on all the boats they are teaching on
Meeting Rules
- We will begin at 8PM and continue working through our agenda topic by topic until 9:45PM.
- Topics left on the agenda will be the agenda for the next week's meeting
- I anticipate this will take 1 weeks more to work through, unless discussion is extended, then likely 2 weeks more
- After an initial presentation on the issue by myself, a motion will be made and the discussion will lead as follows
- General Discussion
- Up to 2 minutes per person
- Everyone has the opportunity to speak once before others can speak again
- Vote
- A strict speakers list will be kept
- After the time limit for an item has been reached, the motion will be called to question, if the group wants to extend discussion, they can do so at this point
Finally, I would like to thank the people who have been very helpful in planning these programs and changes: Tom Barry, Don Hanna, Randy Mullis, Dan Siedlecki, Mark Rugowski, Brad Strock, Tom Kershner, Pete Mooney, Paul Davidsaver and Jim Rogers.
Please let me know if anything here is not clear or if you think we should add something to the agenda. I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow so we can move this plan ahead.
Thank you,
Justin Cherniak
Education Representative
Hoofer Sailing Club
Michael
applying my education and experience.
First, creating a 9-hour prerequisite just to board and attend a
keelboat lesson is an obvious attempt to create compulsory barriers to
entry--AGAIN (there is nothing new here). All in the name of
"efficiency." I say baloney. It is a barrier to entry, as the
proponents well know--including the "Coordinator." It will
effectively starve the keelboats of new persons (an unspoken goal by
chance?) who will simply walk away out of frustration with these
assinine prerequisites tailored to the needs of paid staff financial
wants, rather than the needs of the public entering the club who want
free choice to learn upon what works best for their abilities,
sometimes limited. This, of course, is why it is being politically
sold by those same employees under all these bogus efficiency and
"cross-over" claims--again. Pay attention to who the proponents are
and their financial interests in any of these matters.
Second, observe the incursion of paid staff now on to the keelboats,
essentially to rub-out the volunteer ethic once and for all within the
Club, complete with false claims that students are the "focus of the
club." Sounds like the usual, perennial, alcoholic mish-mash repeated
on the lakefront, and often inadvertently repeated by well-meaning
persons trying to do right by young persons. No rule or reason
warrants such division of the Membership in political and membership
purpose. Why does Wisconsin Union Director Mark Guthier continue to
ignore these issues, despite his full knowledge of them? No such
"focus" exists in bylaws, precedents, constitutions or customs. ALL
Hoofer sailors are equal MEMBERS of both the Hoofer Sailing Club and,
more importantly, the Wisconsin Union. Attempts by paid staff to
discriminate against non-student members, alumni or the Public, based
on authority curiously never cited except as vague assertions, should
be noted as such ON THE RECORD by those impacted. And then those same
persons should visit Wisconsin Union Director Mark Guthier at his
Office together to demand equal treatment under law at this public
institution. Madison has never championed discrimination in access to
public resources until now. What a disappointment.
Cheers! --Michael Watson
On Mar 25, 3:30 pm, "P...@MOONEY.WS" <p...@mooney.ws> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Hoofer Sailing Club Education Representative <
> educat...@hoofersailing.org>
> Date: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:16 PM
> Subject: Education Committee Agenda and Minutes
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> The minutes from our last two meetings can be found online at:
>
> http://www.hoofersailing.org/about/administration/minutes/2010/3/18-E...
> (tentative)
>
> and
>
> http://www.hoofersailing.org/about/administration/minutes/2010/3/11-E...).
>
> *......*
>
> .......Everything else we are working through will be presented to the BOC
> for approval at a later meeting since we are still working out the details
> this week and possibly next week.
>
> Our agenda for (Thursday 3/25/2010) (8PM - Chartroom) will be as follows:
>
> - Introductions (5 minutes)
> - Approve Agenda (1 minute)
> - Review of last week's meeting and approve minutes (5 minutes)
> - Approve J-Fleet Checklists (15 minutes) - Justin
> - See attached template
> - Unification of keelboat and j-fleet checklists (10 minutes) - Justin
> - Make all but boat-specific knowledge and skills common across all
> keelboat fleets (Js, cruisers, racing)
> - Allows students to progress towards ASA 101 on boats other than the
> J-fleet if they so desire
> - Allows for more crossover between fleets
> - J-spinnaker requirements would count for the spinnaker crew
> requirements for Decoy, Toy Boat and Soma
> - *Would not change essence of requirements on any fleet, would only
> streamline the process, making it easier for sailors to jump
> between fleets
> *
> - Basic Keelboat on Knotty Rascal (10 minutes) - Justin
> - Unifying prerequisites for J-fleet and Keelboats (10 minutes) - Justin
> - Require 8-9 hour "Introduction to Keelboat Sailing" class or Badger
> Sloop rating to take lessons on both the J-fleet and keelboats
> - Two 4 hour lessons or three 3 hour lessons
> - Would only have to be taken once
> - Should greatly improve efficiency of keelboat lessons without
> causing major disruptions to the flowchart
>
> - Instructor Compensation (45 minutes) - Tom
> - Allow student (paid) instruction on the keelboats during the morning
> and afternoon while still maintaining scheduling preference for volunteer
> instructors
> - Opens the keelboat instruction venue to student leaders which are
> the stated focus of the sailing club
> - Should increase appeal of keelboats to student members who make up a
> majority of the club
> - Make sure that student employees are rated and qualified on all the
> boats they are teaching on
>
> Meeting Rules
>
> - We will begin at 8PM and continue working through our agenda topic by
> topic until 9:45PM.
> - Topics left on the agenda will be the agenda for the next week's
> meeting
> - I anticipate this will take 1 weeks more to work through, unless
> discussion is extended, then likely 2 weeks more
> - After an initial presentation on the issue by myself, a motion will be
> made and the discussion will lead as follows
> - General Discussion
> - Up to 2 minutes per person
> - Everyone has the opportunity to speak once before others can
> speak again
> - Vote
> - A strict speakers list will be kept
> - After the time limit for an item has been reached, the motion will be
> called to question, if the group wants to extend discussion, they can do so
> at this point
>
> Finally, I would like to thank the people who have been very helpful in
> planning these programs and changes: Tom Barry, Don Hanna, Randy Mullis,
> Dan Siedlecki, Mark Rugowski, Brad Strock, Tom Kershner, Pete Mooney, Paul
> Davidsaver and Jim Rogers.
>
> Please let me know if anything here is not clear or if you think we should
> add something to the agenda. I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow so
> we can move this plan ahead.
>
> Thank you,
> Justin Cherniak
> Education Representative
> Hoofer Sailing Club
>
> **
>
> J-Fleet Checksheets.xls
> 42KViewDownload
Jason Mitchell
I'll watch with a snicker as the boats fall into disrepair due to abuse and neglect resulting from this culture change. Soon there will be no money to repair the boats because the its all being spent on money-grubbing instructors who have chased away all of the volunteers.
It's only a matter of time before the J-29 sinks due to another hard grounding and the keel falling off. I imagine with the soon to be lowered standards there will be a few serious injuries or fatalities due to negligent sailing or leadership at the club; Risk management's sure to love that.
People don't want to fight the mercenary culture slowly encroaching on the volunteer culture, it's far easier to sit back, complain, and do nothing [Showing up to vote is hard]....but then again what do I know, I've just got a bad attitude and can't sail (or so the BOC told me).
-Jason
PS: For them to imply paying instructors on the keelboats opens it up to the "student leaders" is laughable. I know a lot of student leaders who were volunteer....they should just say it as it is: It opens up opportunities for college aged men to get paid to run around without a shirt on and hit on hot, scantily clad girls; Why not call a spade a spade.
Michael
But alas, it is worse than your expose. Among others, it opens up
opportunities for:
1) middle-aged men to get paid to run around without a shirt on and
hit on hot, scantily clad boys;
2) men and women in their 30s to avoid seeking bona fide careers or
work in favor of leeching off a community club;
3) decrepit alcoholics, sometimes in sea-faring attire, to manipulate
emotions of young persons for twisted purposes;
All with the blessing, endorsement and oversight of the Wisconsin
Union Director. As you say, call a spade a spade. "Student leaders"
indeed!
Paul P
quite reveal
how sleazy an operation HSC has become.
For example, Justin Cherniak on yesterday's "education" meeting:
> - Instructor Compensation (45 minutes) - Tom
> - Opens the keelboat instruction venue to student leaders which are
the stated focus of the sailing club
HOW does having paid instruction have anything to do with "opening
the
keelboat instruction venue" to "student leaders"..? Oh, right,
because
they wouldn't teach a lesson in a million years unless they got paid
for it. So essentially, Justin is saying that no one but a half-
senile
old fart would teach as a volunteer, and no one wants to take lessons
from them anyway. I didn't realize that.
> - Should increase appeal of keelboats to student members who make up a
majority of the club
Um, don't follow that either. You must mean because they don't want
to
take lessons in the evening from half-senile old farts..? Of
course!
"Student members" naturally prefer to take lessons from fellow party
animals in their early 20s. After all, most of them aren't here to
learn
sailing--they're here to PARTEE. (on the water when possible).
And again, from Justin Cherniak:
> - Make sure that student employees are rated and qualified on all the
boats they are teaching on
That's easy. Just give 'em the friggin ratings. You can do that--
you're the
BOC! And they're your friends!! At least they'll be rated (if not
qualified).
Nothing new there either.
This issue is of special interest for me since I fought in 2001 to
keep
keelboat instruction as all-volunteer. The final vote at that BOC
meeting
was 5-4 *in favor*--but only after my vociferous arguments. One
person
actually changed his mind and lowered his hand after i explained why
it's best NOT to pay kboat instructors, and why it would be wrong to
do
so. He was about to vote in favor, and the motion would have passed!
Several people were really pissed afterwards 'cause they really
*really*
wanted to get paid to teach on the large keelboats, and i basically
stole that money right out of their pockets.... Or at least, I
condemned
them to keep teaching on the lower fleets instead. (and of course,
none
of those people who voted in favor ever taught a single volunteer
lesson
on the keelboats).