school shootings
and...@my-deja.com
recent one in Florida involved a student who was taking a behavior-
modifying prescription drug (e.g., Ritalin), or was in a withdrawal
phase from taking such a drug.
I have not seen this issue addressed yet in connection with the recent
Florida shooting. Has anyone else seen whether prescription drug use
was confirmed or denied in connection with that shooting? Of course,
there is no obligation by the defendant or his family to discuss this,
unless the defense counsel feels it is helpful to the case.
Andy
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Before you buy.
and...@my-deja.com
and...@my-deja.com wrote:
> It seems that most, perhaps all, of the school shootings prior to the
> recent one in Florida involved a student who was taking a behavior-
> modifying prescription drug (e.g., Ritalin), or was in a withdrawal
> phase from taking such a drug.
Here's the growing list of prescription drug use by alleged school
shooters:
1. Oregon high school killer Kip Kinkel (Ritalin and Prozac).
2. Columbine killer Eric Harris was withdrawing from Luvox.
3. Georgia school alleged shooter T.J. Solomon (Ritalin).
4. Oklahoma middle school alleged shooter Seth Trickey was on two
drugs described to have psychotic effects (AP 6/11/00).
Mark Probert
Joni J Rathbun <jrat...@orednet.org> writes:
>
>On 11 Jun 2000, Seveigny53 wrote:
>
>> In article <8hunrs$j30$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, and...@my-deja.com writes:
>>
>> >It seems that most, perhaps all, of the school shootings prior to the
>> >recent one in Florida involved a student who was taking a behavior-
>> >modifying prescription drug (e.g., Ritalin), or was in a withdrawal
>> >phase from taking such a drug.
>> >
>> >I have not seen this issue addressed yet in connection with the recent
>> >Florida shooting. Has anyone else seen whether prescription drug use
>> >was confirmed or denied in connection with that shooting? Of course,
>> >there is no obligation by the defendant or his family to discuss this,
>> >unless the defense counsel feels it is helpful to the case.
>> >
>>
>> If you have not seen this issue addressed in connection with the school
>> shootings, how do you know that most, if not all involved a student who was
>> taking a behavior modifiying prescription drug or was in a withdrawl phase
>from
>> taking such a drug?
>> Cate
>
>I think what he meant is that he hasn't seen the issue addressed for
>the Florida shooting. IOW -- Was the student in Florida using any kind
>of drugs or in withdrawal?
It is a red herring issue, Andy's favorite food. Neither of the Colubine
shooters were on meds, and in the other circumstance, only one, I believe, was
on meds.
Even if they were all on meds, Andy still has todraw a logical andprovable
cause and effect between taking medications and shooting.
He cannot do that.
Mark Probert
A vote for Pat Buchanan is a vote for America's First Fuhrer!
tipularia
> > It seems that most, perhaps all, of the school shootings prior to the
> > recent one in Florida involved a student who was taking a behavior-
> > modifying prescription drug (e.g., Ritalin), or was in a withdrawal
> > phase from taking such a drug.
>
> shooters:
>
> 1. Oregon high school killer Kip Kinkel (Ritalin and Prozac).
> 2. Columbine killer Eric Harris was withdrawing from Luvox.
> 3. Georgia school alleged shooter T.J. Solomon (Ritalin).
> 4. Oklahoma middle school alleged shooter Seth Trickey was on two
> drugs described to have psychotic effects (AP 6/11/00).
>
> Andy
>
What is your point? It is not surprising that students doing school shootings
have a history of mental disorders requiring medication. How many were not
taking their prescribed drug?
Mark Probert
>In article <8hunrs$j30$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> and...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> It seems that most, perhaps all, of the school shootings prior to the
>> recent one in Florida involved a student who was taking a behavior-
>> modifying prescription drug (e.g., Ritalin), or was in a withdrawal
>> phase from taking such a drug.
Here is Andy talking to himself...
>Here's the growing list of prescription drug use by alleged school
>shooters:
>
>1. Oregon high school killer Kip Kinkel (Ritalin and Prozac).
Ritalin is successfully used to ttreat kids with ADD and behavioral disorder,
and does not incraease, but actually lowers behavioral problems. Want to see
the cites, Andy? Oh, that's right, facts confuse you. Sorry.
>2. Columbine killer Eric Harris was withdrawing from Luvox.
That is an incorrect statement. Harris had stopped taking Luvox over one month
prior to the shooting. According to www.metalhealth.com monograph on Luvox
(Fluvoxamine):
Metabolism and Elimination:
Fluvoxamine undergoes extensive hepatic transformation, mainly via oxidative
demethylation, to at least 9 metabolites, which are excreted by the kidney.
Ninety-four percent of an oral radioactive dose is recovered in the urine
within 48 hours. The 2 major metabolites showed negligible pharmacological
activity. In vitro binding of fluvoxamine to human plasma proteins is about 77%
at drug concentrations up to 4000 ng/mL.
IOW, 94% gone in two days. How much is left after a month?
>3. Georgia school alleged shooter T.J. Solomon (Ritalin).
See above.
>4. Oklahoma middle school alleged shooter Seth Trickey was on two
>drugs described to have psychotic effects (AP 6/11/00).
He was on Inderal, for migraines, and Kenalog, a steroid. Inderal is not known
to create a psychotic state. However, Kenalog, used to treat poison ivy, does
have a strong history of causing one. Next time, let him scratch!
Mark Probert
(Mary Ann) writes:
>
>>In article <147542a4...@usw-ex0105-035.remarq.com>, Mark Probert
>><mtreborp...@aol.com.invalid> writes:
>>
>>>Cate, let me introduce Andrew Schlafley, the offspring of
>>>Phyllis of the Eagle Forum. Visit the Eagle Forum website to
>>>learn more.
>>>
>>>Andy is an old "friend", who, readily demonstrates his inability
>>>to draw a logical conclusion from stated facts. He, like others
>>>of his ilk, make bald faced statements, and never backs them up.
>>>
>>>Recently, he said the MPH pill causes people to abuse it. Yes
>>>the pill itself does that. Just by sitting there.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Mark,
>> Thank you very much for the background on the poster. I hadn't
>encountered
>>him before. Just lucky I guess.
>> Cate
>
>Cool. I still get Eagle Forum mailings from when I went to their local
>conferences in my radical feminist days in the early '80's. Always good for
>a
>laugh.
But, do you wash out your mailbox after getting that? EF is certainly the
antithesis of a radical feminist. Their agenda is 'barefoot and pregnant.'
Fre...@liberty.com
<ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> posted:
>All of them attended church and came from Christian families too.
Imparting by 'osmosis' isn't very effective in school, and even it's
even worse in church.
Mary Ann
>>encountered
>>>him before. Just lucky I guess.
>>> Cate
>>
>>Cool. I still get Eagle Forum mailings from when I went to their local
>>conferences in my radical feminist days in the early '80's. Always good for
>>a
>>laugh.
>
>But, do you wash out your mailbox after getting that? EF is certainly the
>antithesis of a radical feminist. Their agenda is 'barefoot and pregnant.'
>
>
>
>Mark Probert
>
>A vote for Pat Buchanan is a vote for America's First Fuhrer!
And I wear rubber gloves and a sterile mask.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann
>What is your point? It is not surprising that students doing school shootings
>have a history of mental disorders requiring medication. How many were not
>taking their prescribed drug?
>
Don't confuse him with cause and effect, it ruins his point and the two
hamsters in the hamster wheel of his mind start trying to go in opposite
directions.
Mary Ann
pian...@radix.net
>All of them attended church and came from Christian families too.
What do you mean "Christian Families"?
You are saying that all in the family accepted Christ as their
personal savior?
That would be my definition of a Christian family.
pian...@radix.net
Green) wrote:
>That would be good advice to recall, regarding these school shootings.
>Blame them on the evil lurking in the shooters' hearts, not on
>Christians. A true Christian would not have shot up his school, and a
>true Christian family would not have raised him to do so. Such a person
>may call himself a Christian, but he's not. Not really.
>
>
>
>
>Yours truly,
>Kathy Green
Nicely said Kathy. The liberal, immoral left-wing hollywood types are
asking for one heck of a backlash if they keep knocking Christians.
As I see it, we can certainly defend ourselves and don't have to roll
over and play dead.
Magi D. Shepley
Magi
Kathy Green wrote:
> Magi Shepley wrote:
>
> >>All of them attended church and came from Christian families too.
>
> "Pianoman" wrote:
>
> >What do you mean "Christian Families"?
> You are saying that all in the family accepted Christ as their personal
> savior?
> That would be my definition of a Christian family.
>
> Yes, it is; you phrase it well. And a true Christian does NOT go around
> gunning down innocent people! Even if Shepley's statement is true in
> all those cases (in the case of the six-year-old boy, it's not), it's
> quite clear that those boys did not become Christians themselves. Think
> of the torment their families have had to go through, trying to raise
> their sons right, only to have them go so terribly wrong the way they
> did!
>
> As I write this, I'm reminded of a statement made by the Ghost of
> Christmas Present in Charles Dickens' novel, A CHRISTMAS CAROL. I should
> like to quote it here, as I really think it is applicable to the subject
> at hand.
> ______________________________________
> "Is there a peculiar flavor in what you sprinkle from your torch?" asked
> Scrooge.
>
> "There is. My own."
>
> "Would it apply to any kind of dinner on this day?" asked Scrooge.
>
> "To any kindly given. To a poor one most."
>
> "Why to a poor one most?""
>
> "Because it needs it most."
>
> "Spirit," said Scrooge, after a moment's hesitation, "I wonder you, of
> all the beings in the many worlds about us, should desire to cramp these
> people's opportunities and innocent enjoyment."
>
> "I!" cried the Spirit.
>
> "You would deprive them of their means of dining every seventh day,
> often the only day on which they can dine at all," said Scrooge,
> "wouldn't you?"
>
> "I!" cried the Spirit.
>
> "You seek to close these places on the Seventh Day," said Scrooge. "And
> it comes to the same thing."
>
> "I seek!" exclaimed the Spirit.
>
> "Forgive me if I am wrong. It has been done in your name, or at least
> in that of your family," said Scrooge.
>
> "There are some upon this earth of yours," returned the Spirit, "who
> claim to know us, and
> who do their deeds of passion, pride, ill will, hatred, envy, bigotry,
> and selfishness in our name, who are as strange to us, and all our kith
> and kin, as if they had never lived. Remember that, and charge their
> doings on themselves, not us."
> _____________________________________
>
> That would be good advice to recall, regarding these school shootings.
> Blame them on the evil lurking in the shooters' hearts, not on
> Christians. A true Christian would not have shot up his school, and a
> true Christian family would not have raised him to do so. Such a person
> may call himself a Christian, but he's not. Not really.
>
> Yours truly,
> Kathy Green
>
> http://community-1.webtv.net/kgreen20/KATHYSPAGE
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pian...@radix.net
<ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
>And a true Christian is not what Pianoman is with his hate-filled diatribes.
>
>Magi
What "hate" are you speaking of? I haven't even used the term...
Oh, you mean my disdain for immoral and atheistic behavior?
My utter dislike for any liberal in hollywood and their
"self-righteous", sex and curse filled television shows?
This liberal term of "hate" is so darned ridiculous...Just because I
dennounce the liberal agenda, doesn't mean that I "hate" anyone...
Quit the parroting of the standard liberal buzzword crap and explain
to me the hate-filled diatribes...If you don't dennounce the liberal
crap out of hollywood ( I bet you do), then I'm suprised that you can
even call yourself a teacher of children.
Joni J Rathbun
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 pian...@radix.net wrote:
> What "hate" are you speaking of? I haven't even used the term...
> Oh, you mean my disdain for immoral and atheistic behavior?
> My utter dislike for any liberal in hollywood and their
> "self-righteous", sex and curse filled television shows?
So turn the darned thing off. That's what this liberal family
does (tho I admit I have tuned into that religious channel
a couple of times to see that woman with the hair...and
the crocodile tears).
Joni J Rathbun
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 and...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8i3d8t$ia8$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> tipularia <tipu...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > In article <8i0u5j$un5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > and...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > In article <8hunrs$j30$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > > and...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > It seems that most, perhaps all, of the school shootings prior to
> the
> > > > recent one in Florida involved a student who was taking a
> behavior-
> > > > modifying prescription drug (e.g., Ritalin), or was in a
> withdrawal
> > > > phase from taking such a drug.
> > >
> > > Here's the growing list of prescription drug use by alleged school
> > > shooters:
> > >
> > > 1. Oregon high school killer Kip Kinkel (Ritalin and Prozac).
> > > 2. Columbine killer Eric Harris was withdrawing from Luvox.
> > > 3. Georgia school alleged shooter T.J. Solomon (Ritalin).
> > > 4. Oklahoma middle school alleged shooter Seth Trickey was on two
> > > drugs described to have psychotic effects (AP 6/11/00).
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> >
> > What is your point? It is not surprising that students doing school
> shootings
> > have a history of mental disorders requiring medication. How many
> were not
> > taking their prescribed drug?
>
> The point, obviously, is that mistreatment of kids with these drugs is
> a possible cause of the school shootings.
>
In that case, being raised in a home where Christianity is practiced
could be a possible cause too.
> How many instances of the above do you think would be necessary in
> order to draw this conclusion?
Ever hear the one about the preacher's daughter?
Magi D. Shepley
non-sex filled TV shows. I'm personally listening to 'I Love Lucy'
right now.
Before that I was listening to Divas 1999 and reading Robert Heinlein
stories.
Magi
Joni J Rathbun wrote:
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and...@my-deja.com
How many instances of the above do you think would be necessary in
order to draw this conclusion?
Andy
Mark Probert
Hey, Andy, demonstrate, by verifiable sources that these students were
mistreated. Merely stating that they took medication is not proof of
mistreatment.
tipularia
If every student who takes one of these drugs initiates a school shooting,
then Andy, I would say you would have something. Hmmm... I wonder how many of
the kids doing shootings drink water.
>
> Andy
Kleyle
<<You are saying that all in the family accepted Christ as their
personal savior?>>
I mean how can the christ character be a personal savior for all in the family?
Can't he just do a jumbo load, and save the whole gang?
As ever,
Homeschool if you can, and to Heck with the rest of them.
Mary Ann
>The liberal, immoral left-wing hollywood types are
>asking for one heck of a backlash if they keep knocking Christians.
>As I see it, we can certainly defend ourselves and don't have to roll
>over and play dead.
>
I certainly don't want you to do that, I just wish you could see that
Christians, ergo you, are not the center of the universe.
Mary Ann
pian...@radix.net
<ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
>That is the best solution of all, Joni. Or put on the non-cursing and
>non-sex filled TV shows. I'm personally listening to 'I Love Lucy'
>right now.
>Before that I was listening to Divas 1999 and reading Robert Heinlein
>stories.
I use to watch that show until I found out that she filed with the
communist party in the early sixties.
Joni J Rathbun
I'm not surprised ---> You have your facts wrong yet were
willing to make a judgement and decision without the facts.
(Ball joined the communist party in the early 30s, not the
sixties, and did so at the "request" of her domineering
grandfather. After the fact, she never had anything to do
with the party in any way and I do believe the FBI eventually
came to the same conclusion).
Fre...@liberty.com
>"There are some upon this earth of yours," returned the Spirit, "who
>claim to know us, and
>who do their deeds of passion, pride, ill will, hatred, envy, bigotry,
>and selfishness in our name, who are as strange to us, and all our kith
>and kin, as if they had never lived. Remember that, and charge their
>doings on themselves, not us."
>_____________________________________
>
>That would be good advice to recall, regarding these school shootings.
>Blame them on the evil lurking in the shooters' hearts, not on
>Christians. A true Christian would not have shot up his school, and a
>true Christian family would not have raised him to do so. Such a person
>may call himself a Christian, but he's not. Not really.
HEAR, HEAR!!!
JT
>
> Nicely said Kathy. The liberal, immoral left-wing hollywood types are
> asking for one heck of a backlash if they keep knocking Christians.
> As I see it, we can certainly defend ourselves and don't have to roll
> over and play dead.
You think you don't? Certainly, rolling over and playing dead is
exactly what you'll be forced to do, providing you don't get your head
out of the sand and accept that this nation is built of 250 million
individuals, who may not believe what you believe. Open your mind to
the infinite possibilities of religion and worship, or get left in the
dust trying to convince everyone else You've Got The Right One Baby,
Uh-Huh.
-- Jack Tarkaan -- mailto:tar...@bigfoot.com
-- Return address intentionally broken. Remove NOSPAM to reply.
Magi D. Shepley
in is "liberal" whether the person is "liberal" or not?
Magi
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Magi
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pian...@radix.net
<jrat...@orednet.org> wrote:
>I'm not surprised ---> You have your facts wrong yet were
>willing to make a judgement and decision without the facts.
>
>(Ball joined the communist party in the early 30s, not the
>sixties, and did so at the "request" of her domineering
>grandfather. After the fact, she never had anything to do
>with the party in any way and I do believe the FBI eventually
>came to the same conclusion).
>
>
Yes, I was wrong. Thank you for pointing the date out. She registered
in 1936 as a communist to vote for the communist party.
ClaySkye
>Did you notice that any religion other than the one that Pianoman believes
>in is "liberal" whether the person is "liberal" or not?
>
>Magi
>
It's a common practice. Just like a cult is any religion that is not your own.
Just like everyone who disagrees with you is close-minded. Just like the
people who do agree with you but do things you disagree with are not "truely"
what they say they are. The "No true Scottsman" argument is very popular.
ClayeSkye
#4 (Head of EAC Department of Education/Reeducation)
I still believe that I cannot be saved-Smashing Pumpkins
"I can't stand here and argue with your biblical rhetoric."-Agent Mulder,
Miracle Man
Kleyle
>Yes, I was wrong. Thank you for pointing the date out. She registered
>in 1936 as a communist to vote for the communist party.
>
But, rather than checking this or any other fact, you spread your manure and
treat it like gospel.
Your sentence says it all. She registered to vote! That's unAmerican according
your fantasy.
Let's have a free exchance of ideas, not your insults. If your so-called PC
conservatism is the better method, let it win in the court of public debate.
Let's have no more of your slanderous backhanded careless attacks.
What other careless attacks have you made? What other unbased tales have your
told?
Reminds me of old Bob Novak who, when he heard that Rudy was dropping out,
said, on National TV, "Did you ever notice that bad things happen to people who
oppose the Clintons?" as if Mrs. Clinton had anything to do with Rudy's cancer
and his playing around in spite of his marriage vows.
But, let's face it, the right wing X-tians do a pretty good job of scumming
themselves. Did Hillary force the Newt to abandon his wife and kids for a dame?
Did Hillary force Henry Hyde to play around on the side? Did Hillary have
anything to do with Livingstone? No. But it sounds good to the Laura Limbaugh
crowd.
Thanks for the wonderful example of your unAmericanism.
Kleyle
>I use to watch that show until I found out that she filed with the
>communist party in the early sixties.
>
Is nothing sacred? How far must you sink.
If your stroy is true, what amazing courage!
The rats such as yourself nipping at her heels, but she stands up like an
American and chooses the path of courage rather than packing as is common with
your ilk.
I salute the redhead in this story.
Samuel Lubell
kle...@aol.com (Kleyle) wrote:
>In article <3946080d...@news1.radix.net>, pian...@radix.net writes:
>
>>I use to watch that show until I found out that she filed with the
>>communist party in the early sixties.
>>
>
>Is nothing sacred? How far must you sink.
>
>If your stroy is true, what amazing courage!
>
>The rats such as yourself nipping at her heels, but she stands up like an
>American and chooses the path of courage rather than packing as is common with
>your ilk.
>
>I salute the redhead in this story.
But that came out of a bottle
.
.
.
(Historical reference. When Lucy was accused of being a communist,
her husband said the only thing Red about her was her hair, and even
that came out of a bottle.)
pian...@radix.net
>Your sentence says it all. She registered to vote! That's unAmerican according
>your fantasy.
Do a little research and you'll also find out she supported the party.
pian...@radix.net
>But, let's face it, the right wing X-tians do a pretty good job of scumming
>themselves. Did Hillary force the Newt to abandon his wife and kids for a dame?
>Did Hillary force Henry Hyde to play around on the side? Did Hillary have
>anything to do with Livingstone? No. But it sounds good to the Laura Limbaugh
>crowd.
>
>Thanks for the wonderful example of your unAmericanism.
Wow, an out of the closet Klinton supporter.
I'd put my raincoat back on, the shades, and get back under your rock.
and...@my-deja.com
Lots of posts in this thread, but no one addressed the initial question
of whether the alleged Florida student killer was on behavior-modifying
prescription drugs. Given all the other examples, this is an obvious
question necessary to understand why the killing occurred.
One poster claimed that this issue had already been addressed in other
threads. I doubt it, but will go look if someone can point to
something substantive on this specific issue.
I don't recall school shootings before so many kids were given these
drugs. So in terms of causation, we've got a prime suspect.
Mark Probert
clay...@cs.comStopThat (ClaySkye) wrote:
>>From: "Magi D. Shepley"
>
>>Did you notice that any religion other than the one that
Pianoman believes
>>in is "liberal" whether the person is "liberal" or not?
>>
>>Magi
>>
>
>It's a common practice. Just like a cult is any religion that
is not your own.
Disagree. I do not believe that Christianity, Shintoism, B'hai,
or Wiccan is a cult. However, I believe that the various specie
of the so-called Messianic Jews are.
The distinction I make is in their practices of recruitment and
retention. Cults practice forms of brainwashing in recruitment
and retention.
I have read the J4J manual on recruitment, and it was scary. It
reminded me quote vividly of the training I received in
survival, escape and evasion and how to deal with brainweashing
if captured.
Another excellent example is the Cult of $cientology.
> Just like everyone who disagrees with you is close-minded.
Nope. Some people who disagree with me are so open minded that
their brain fell out. ;)
Just like the
>people who do agree with you but do things you disagree with
are not "truely"
>what they say they are. The "No true Scottsman" argument is
very popular.
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unAmerican according
>>your fantasy.
>Do a little research and you'll also find out she supported the
party.
Support your allegation. YOU bear the burden of proof.
Mark Probert
pian...@radix.net wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:57:27 -0700, Joni J Rathbun
><jrat...@orednet.org> wrote:
>
>>I'm not surprised ---> You have your facts wrong yet were
>>willing to make a judgement and decision without the facts.
>>
>>(Ball joined the communist party in the early 30s, not the
>>sixties, and did so at the "request" of her domineering
>>grandfather. After the fact, she never had anything to do
>>with the party in any way and I do believe the FBI eventually
>>came to the same conclusion).
>>
>>
registered
>in 1936 as a communist to vote for the communist party.
When has it been a requirement that one be registered in a party
to vote for that party's candidates?
You still don't have it correct. Keep trying.
Mark Probert
job of scumming
>>themselves. Did Hillary force the Newt to abandon his wife and
kids for a dame?
>>Did Hillary force Henry Hyde to play around on the side? Did
Hillary have
>>anything to do with Livingstone? No. But it sounds good to the
Laura Limbaugh
>>crowd.
>>
>>Thanks for the wonderful example of your unAmericanism.
>Wow, an out of the closet Klinton supporter.
nah. Just a realist without blinders who can look in both
directions. You ought to try it.
>I'd put my raincoat back on, the shades, and get back under
your rock.
Funny, you know so much about raincoats...what do you know about
doorways??
Mark Probert
wrote:
>In article <394b4a97...@news1.radix.net>,
> pian...@radix.net wrote:
>> On 13 Jun 2000 23:49:06 GMT, kle...@aol.com (Kleyle) wrote:
>
>Lots of posts in this thread, but no one addressed the initial
question
>of whether the alleged Florida student killer was on behavior-
modifying
>prescription drugs. Given all the other examples, this is an
obvious
>question necessary to understand why the killing occurred.
>
>One poster claimed that this issue had already been addressed
in other
>threads. I doubt it, but will go look if someone can point to
>something substantive on this specific issue.
>
>I don't recall school shootings before so many kids were given
these
>drugs. So in terms of causation, we've got a prime suspect.
Of the four shooting you made reference to, one was off
medication for at least a month at the time of the shooting
(imagine if he had stayed on it, maybe there would have been no
shooting) and theother was taking Inderal and Kenalog, one for
migraines the other for poison ivy.
Scratch that one!
Mark Probert
(Kleyle) writes:
>
>Reminds me of old Bob Novak who, when he heard that Rudy was dropping out,
>said, on National TV, "Did you ever notice that bad things happen to people
>who
>oppose the Clintons?" as if Mrs. Clinton had anything to do with Rudy's
>cancer
>and his playing around in spite of his marriage vows.
I thought it was Al Sharpton.
Mark Probert
A vote for Pat Buchanan is a vote for America's First Fuhrer!
Kleyle
in this message? There is none of my material, so why is my name associated
with this post? Is this another scummy attack method? Entire post, unedited,
follows:
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>Subject: Re: school shootings
>From: and...@my-deja.com
>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:53:56 GMT
>
>In article <394b4a97...@news1.radix.net>,
> pian...@radix.net wrote:
>> On 13 Jun 2000 23:49:06 GMT, kle...@aol.com (Kleyle) wrote:
>[snip]
>
>Lots of posts in this thread, but no one addressed the initial question
>of whether the alleged Florida student killer was on behavior-modifying
>prescription drugs. Given all the other examples, this is an obvious
>question necessary to understand why the killing occurred.
>
>One poster claimed that this issue had already been addressed in other
>threads. I doubt it, but will go look if someone can point to
>something substantive on this specific issue.
>
>I don't recall school shootings before so many kids were given these
>drugs. So in terms of causation, we've got a prime suspect.
>
>Andy
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
As ever,
Kleyle
>Wow, an out of the closet Klinton supporter.
>I'd put my raincoat back on, the shades, and get back under your rock.
Of course you would. That's because you are a parrot. You say what they want
you to say. You don't think for yourself, so when you have an original thought,
you get scared and crawl back under your rock.
Clinton supporters. Bad. Right along with the 60-70% of the American people who
have consistently supported this President. You may hang out with a very
narrow-minded crowd, but it doesn't appear to be the mainstream. Remember, win,
lose, or draw, he was your President for eight years. More to the point,
Hillary Clinton has a shot at winning the Senate seat in New Yorc. But anyone
who supports the Clintons is a radical nut, right?
Kleyle
>>Your sentence says it all. She registered to vote! That's unAmerican
>according
>>your fantasy.
>Do a little research and you'll also find out she supported the party.
>
Even so. Even if true. That was her right as an American. That's what the
Revolution was about. That's what the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are
about. That's why we have elections and not shoot-'em-ups every couple of
years. That's why it's OKAY to disagree with the President or with the Kongress
or both. Get it? If she voted commie for a few years, and you haven't made that
case, it wouldn't have been contrary to laws of the United States of America.
Only in your fantasy. Did you think think that Desilu was a communist front?
Was Desi sending money to Castro? Wake up, man! Have an original thought for
once.
and...@my-deja.com
Mark Probert <mtreborp...@aol.com.invalid> wrote:
> Of the four shooting you made reference to, one was off
> medication for at least a month at the time of the shooting
> (imagine if he had stayed on it, maybe there would have been no
> shooting) and theother was taking Inderal and Kenalog, one for
> migraines the other for poison ivy.
The killer that you claim was off medication for at least a month was
Eric Harris. In fact, the autopsy proved he had Luvox in his system at
the time of his murders. "Tests from the autopsy on Harris showed
therapeutic levels of the psychotropic drug Luvox (Fluvoxomine), one of
the new selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs, commonly
prescribed for obsessive-compulsive disorder, or OCD, and depression."
Insight on the News, Dec. 13, 1999, author O'Meara, Kelly Patricia.
The other alleged shooter you cite is Seth Trickey. As reported by AP,
"And three weeks before the shooting, Trickey was given a large
injection of the prescription poison ivy drug Kenalog, said Dr. William
Banner, a toxicologist and medical director of the Oklahoma Poison
Center. Kenalog is a steroid alleged to have psychotic effects on some
users, according to the three medical experts who testified at the
hearing. 'Even in routine doses, these drugs can produce a psychotic
break,' Banner said." Trickey had also taken another drug that can
cause depression, according to the AP story.
Old Teacher
<ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
> All of them attended church and came from Christian families too.
>
You lie! You wouldn't know a Christian if they told you so.
--
Recte Faciendo Neminen Timeas
Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth?
Magi D. Shepley
school shooters had been to church and claimed to be of Christian
faith. I know you aren't a Christian, so I can pretty much tell the
different between the rest of them too.
Magi
Old Teacher wrote:
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Joni J Rathbun
On 20 Jun 2000, Old Teacher wrote:
> In article <3942F200...@concentric.net>, "Magi D. Shepley"
> <ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
>
> > All of them attended church and came from Christian families too.
> >
>
> You lie! You wouldn't know a Christian if they told you so.
>
Yeah, but it's getting pretty easy around here to identify the
posers and imposters.
N4Th4n
Bill Toscano
The United States is an overly Christian nation (despite what the Supreme Court
said yesterday).
Obviously, the vast majority of people who commit any crimes are going to be
Christians.
Note: I have a very liberal definition of Christian, like if you believe in
Christ, you are a Christian -- that includes Catholics.
The real data point here is that 60 of 80 of these kids interviewed by a
psychologist's group were from divorced or single-parent home, and most of the
rest had serious problems at hime.
27 of 28 actual shooters were on Prozac.
Bill T.
Joni J Rathbun
The little joys of webtv are without number.
Joni J Rathbun
On 20 Jun 2000, Bill Toscano wrote:
>
> 27 of 28 actual shooters were on Prozac.
>
Even Andy didn't throw that one out.
Magi D. Shepley
didn't say Ritalin. At least you didn't blame special education teachers.
My point was in response to a person who claims to be a teacher, and states that if
we had religion (read Christianity) in the schools, and we banned that awful
Ritalin... and incidentally, those awful special ed teachers... and beat some sense
into these students... we woudln't have school shootings.
Magi
Bill Toscano wrote:
> 27 of 28 actual shooters were on Prozac.
>
> Bill T.
ClaySkye
>The little joys of webtv are without number.
>
>On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, N4Th4n wrote:
>
>> i hope there are more school shooting, b/c my stundents need to die
This is why I have the entire domain kill-filed.
toto
wrote:
>>From: Joni J Rathbun jrat...@orednet.org
>
>>The little joys of webtv are without number.
>>
>>On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, N4Th4n wrote:
>>
>>> i hope there are more school shooting, b/c my stundents need to die
>
>This is why I have the entire domain kill-filed.
>
Unfortunately, if that is the case, you missed a newbie webtver who
actually wants to join the discussion and (surprise) asked about
what to do and how the discussions worked. Despite the fact that
I will jump on the idiot ones or ignore them, there are some good
reasons to think that there are webtvers who have brains lurking
about and that they would make good additions to the discussions
here.
One of my best net-friends says that killfiles are the last resort
of closed minds. I've used it very infrequently so I understand the
impulses involved, but on the whole, I think my friend is correct.
You never know when even the most idiotic poster may offer something
of value and if you killfile him, you might just miss the gems.
Dorothy
There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
source unknown
Seveigny53
(Bill Toscano) writes:
>Magi: What is your point?
>
>The United States is an overly Christian nation (despite what the Supreme
>Court
>said yesterday).
The US may be a nation populated by Christians. However, there is not any
unaniminty within Christian groups on what it means to be Christian. In fact,
different groups have vastly different definitions on what it means to be
Christian.
>Obviously, the vast majority of people who commit any crimes are going to be
>Christians.
>Note: I have a very liberal definition of Christian, like if you believe in
>Christ, you are a Christian -- that includes Catholics.
How magnamious of you. I have been told, by a number of people, that unless I
claim Christ as my personal saviour, I am not a Christian. This is despite the
fact that I was batized, received my first holy communion, was confirmed and
was married according the rites of the Catholic Church.
>The real data point here is that 60 of 80 of these kids interviewed by a
>psychologist's group were from divorced or single-parent home, and most of
>the
>rest had serious problems at hime.
Please provide an authentic citation to back up this information.
>
>27 of 28 actual shooters were on Prozac.
>
Again, please provide unbiased documentation which backs up this assertion.
Cate
Kleyle
<nob...@nowhere.invalid> writes:
>One of my best net-friends says that killfiles are the last resort
>of closed minds. I've used it very infrequently so I understand the
>impulses involved, but on the whole, I think my friend is correct.
>You never know when even the most idiotic poster may offer something
>of value and if you killfile him, you might just miss the gems.
>
Simple minded approach, though. It sounds good, but most issues are a good
deal more complex than that. Time is a major consideration. Of course, a
newsgroup is by definition a champion time waster, but one can't spend all day
at it. That means that some selectivity is important. Some folks are crude; the
maggot thing is crude. I don't receive those. I just get the echo effect which
is nasty enough. There are some I killfiled the first time I met them, and I
haven't regretted it, given the quotes that are attributed to them. There are
other people who I do not generally agree with and who are just as disgusting
as the ones in the killfile, but I keep quite a few around for laughs and to
monitor the fringe. One person's killfile is an individual matter. We know that
some people killfile because they can't handle the arguments, and it makes them
feel more secure like the Geneal or the Sarge. But others killfile because they
just don't want the noise. There are many reasons. I don't think it requires a
closed mind to killfile.
ClaySkye
>On 21 Jun 2000 03:34:01 GMT, clay...@cs.comStopThat (ClaySkye)
>wrote:
>
>>>From: Joni J Rathbun jrat...@orednet.org
>>
>>>The little joys of webtv are without number.
>>>
>>>On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, N4Th4n wrote:
>>>
>>>> i hope there are more school shooting, b/c my stundents need to die
>>
>>This is why I have the entire domain kill-filed.
>>
>Unfortunately, if that is the case, you missed a newbie webtver who
>actually wants to join the discussion and (surprise) asked about
>what to do and how the discussions worked. Despite the fact that
>I will jump on the idiot ones or ignore them, there are some good
>reasons to think that there are webtvers who have brains lurking
>about and that they would make good additions to the discussions
>here.
>
>One of my best net-friends says that killfiles are the last resort
>of closed minds. I've used it very infrequently so I understand the
>impulses involved, but on the whole, I think my friend is correct.
>You never know when even the most idiotic poster may offer something
>of value and if you killfile him, you might just miss the gems.
>
>Dorothy
Doubtful. If it is really good then someone will reply to it and I will see
it. Killfiles help me weed out several hundred messages a day. I can't read
every message and I choose to read posts I choose to read. Are there threads
you ignore? Then you would be doing the same thing. Being selective isn't
being close-minded. I have friends on WebTV as well, but I will tell them to
their faces that WebTV is for idiots.
toto
wrote:
I do ignore topics which don't interest me, so that weeds out some
things to be sure. I had only one or two addy's I kfed though
because despite the crap, they still come through with interesting
opinions on occasion. Different approaches I suppose. I just
figure if someone contributes to a thread that I want to read, I
would rather see *all* the contributions, even though some add
little to the mix.
Mark Probert
Joni J Rathbun <jrat...@orednet.org> writes:
>
>On 20 Jun 2000, Bill Toscano wrote:
>
>>
>> 27 of 28 actual shooters were on Prozac.
>>
>
>Even Andy didn't throw that one out.
True. The CCHR, amonst other KK$ groups has tried to push this lie for a long
time.
Mark Probert
>
>Magi: What is your point?
>
>The United States is an overly Christian nation (despite what the Supreme
>Court
>said yesterday).
>
>Obviously, the vast majority of people who commit any crimes are going to be
>Christians.
>
>Note: I have a very liberal definition of Christian, like if you believe in
>Christ, you are a Christian -- that includes Catholics.
>
>The real data point here is that 60 of 80 of these kids interviewed by a
>psychologist's group were from divorced or single-parent home, and most of
>the
>rest had serious problems at hime.
>
>27 of 28 actual shooters were on Prozac.
That is incorrect.
Mark Probert
(Old Teacher) writes:
>In article <3942F200...@concentric.net>, "Magi D. Shepley"
><ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
>
>> All of them attended church and came from Christian families too.
>>
>
>You lie! You wouldn't know a Christian if they told you so.
That's what was reported. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Also, what about the Christian kid who shot up that church?
Mark Probert
>Magi: What is your point?
>
>The United States is an overly Christian nation (despite what the Supreme
>Court
>said yesterday).
Thank G-d for the First and Second Amendments!
Never again!
>Obviously, the vast majority of people who commit any crimes are going to be
>Christians.
Yep.
>Note: I have a very liberal definition of Christian, like if you believe in
>Christ, you are a Christian -- that includes Catholics.
I bet that will p*ss Catholics off. They *started* Christianity and it is
certainly nice of you to still include them.
>The real data point here is that 60 of 80 of these kids interviewed by a
>psychologist's group were from divorced or single-parent home, and most of
>the
>rest had serious problems at hime.
Wrong. The kids were interviewed by the psychological services section of the
United States Secret Service and they were found to be uniformly victims of
peer abuse. There were *some* with problems at home, but, it was not endemic as
you attempt to portray.
Mark Probert
Joni J Rathbun <jrat...@orednet.org> writes:
>On 20 Jun 2000, Bill Toscano wrote:
>
>>
>> 27 of 28 actual shooters were on Prozac.
>>
>
>Even Andy didn't throw that one out.
True, but knowing Andy for as long as I do, he will now cite it as a source. ;(
girord russell
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[snip]
>I bet that will p*ss Catholics off. They *started* Christianity and it is
>certainly nice of you to still include them.
Woo hoo! I get to correct Probert!! Doesn't happen often...
Christianity was started by Jews. Rome just got one of the earlier franchises.
:)
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Kathy Green
>That's what was reported. Sorry to burst your bubble. Also, what about
the Christian kid who shot up that church?
>Mark Probert
Are you referring to the gunman who shot and killed seven people,
wounded seven others, and then shot himself at a youth rally in Fort
Worth? If you are, you should know that he was neither a Christian nor
a kid. I know, because earlier this year, I interviewed a minister who
was there when it happened. (I work as a part-time stringer, so I was
assigned to do so.)
Not only was the gunman, Larry Ashcroft, NOT born-again (in which case
he would not have been murdering innocent kids), he cursed
denominational religion and the idea of Jesus Christ. A Christian would
not have said such things.
Yours truly,
Kathy Green
http://community-1.webtv.net/kgreen20/KATHYSPAGE
Magi D. Shepley
that has something to do with Jesus Christ is a Christian. You can't pick
and choose who you want to be a Christian and who you don't want to be a
Christian.
The people that did the shootings in the school were Christians. They
attended Christian churches. They weren't Jewish: they didn't attend temple
and read the Torah. They weren't Muslim: they didn't attend a mosque and
read the Qu'oran. They weren't Mormons, reading the Book of LatterDay
Saints. They attended church on Sundays, and read the New Testament.
You can *say* they didn't follow the precepts of the Christian religion
(love thy neighbor and so on), but you can't say they weren't Christians.
A person does not need to be a 'born again' Christian to be Christian. I
know lots and lots and lots of people who attend church every sunday, and
every wednesday and are active in their congregation, but don't ever
practice what they learn there. They are *still* Christians, and identify
and label themselves as such.
And that is the biggest problem that I have. People who label themselves as
Christians, attend Christian churches, and then use their bible as a weapon
against those that are not what *they* deem to be Christian.
Magi
Kathy Green wrote:
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MC
> Not only was the gunman, Larry Ashcroft, NOT born-again (in which case
> he would not have been murdering innocent kids), he cursed
> denominational religion and the idea of Jesus Christ. A Christian would
> not have said such things.
Being born-again automatically exempts someone from committing any kind of
crime? Hmmmm. I understand that the people who take religion seriously and
are truly committed to their beliefs usually aren't the type to shoot up a
church, but I'd bet some folks slip through the cracks. The two are not
mutually exclusive.
Melissa
JT
>
> Not only was the gunman, Larry Ashcroft, NOT born-again (in which case
> he would not have been murdering innocent kids), he cursed
> denominational religion and the idea of Jesus Christ. A Christian would
> not have said such things.
It appears that Christians are never responsible for any bad acts, since
the moment the commit a bad act, they 'never would have done such
things' if they were Christians.
-- Jack Tarkaan -- mailto:tar...@bigfoot.com
-- Return address intentionally broken. Remove NOSPAM to reply.
Joni J Rathbun
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Kathy Green wrote:
> Not only was the gunman, Larry Ashcroft, NOT born-again (in which case
> he would not have been murdering innocent kids),
Have they changed the rules again? Must one be born again in order to
be a Christian? Does the Pope know about this?
> he cursed
> denominational religion and the idea of Jesus Christ. A Christian would
> not have said such things.
>
And the point? This doesn't change the fact that many a murderer was
raised within a religious or very religious environment. What happened?
What went wrong? At what particular moment did "a murderer" stop being
a Christian and why? No, at the moment he/she takes a life, it would
be hard to say he/she was behaving as a good Christian (or a good
anything). But that doesn't negate any religious influence. Indeed,
perhaps the influence was a contributing factor to his NOT being a
Christian.
Not that *I* necessarily believe this but this was all in response
to someone speculating about ... what the school shooters
might have had in common. And Christianity is as relevant as anything
else on the list at this particular moment.
Mark Probert
>I have to step in and say something here. Too many people
assume that
>just because someone sits up in a 'Christian' church for 2
hours every
>Sunday that that automatically classifies one as a Christian.
SO WHAT!
>For many the title Christian is one of mere convenience. They
leave
>church at 1:00 Sunday afternoon and leave God right there in the
>sanctuary along with any kind of point that was made in the
sermon. The
>only time they open a bible is IN church. And about the only
time they
>call on the name of God or Jesus is when they use they names in
vain.
They call themselves Christian. What should we call them? Can't
call them Jews For Jesus, even though those critters are
Christians.
>Yeah members of the KKK claim to be Christians. Does mean they
>are 'imitators' of Christ?
What about Christian Identity? Are they Christian?
Yvette Machado
i as a single parent did my darnest to disciplin my children.your
children are your mirrors no matter what you teach your children when
they go into the street you dont know them any more . because when they
get together with there friends from the dirty street that is what they
learn.what ever you teach they are gonna do what they want regardless to
what you teach . it is up to the individual him self if he wants freedom
or to be behind bars for the rest of his life . there is consequences
for everything that you do in life and thats what you instill in your
children from birth .
Magi D. Shepley
Christian church, they are Christian. Whether or not they take the Bible
out of the church or not doesn't matter. You can't say that a person is not
Christian because of their "actions" after the fact. Christians have killed
people since the beginning of time in the name of their religion. They've
even killed members of their own religion. End of story.
she...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I have to step in and say something here. Too many people assume that
> just because someone sits up in a 'Christian' church for 2 hours every
> Sunday that that automatically classifies one as a Christian. SO WHAT!
> For many the title Christian is one of mere convenience. They leave
> church at 1:00 Sunday afternoon and leave God right there in the
> sanctuary along with any kind of point that was made in the sermon. The
> only time they open a bible is IN church. And about the only time they
> call on the name of God or Jesus is when they use they names in vain.
> Yeah members of the KKK claim to be Christians. Does mean they
> are 'imitators' of Christ?
>
> In article <39513ADD...@concentric.net>,
> "Magi D. Shepley" <ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
> > > Not only was the gunman, Larry Ashcroft, NOT born-again (in which
> case
> > > he would not have been murdering innocent kids), he cursed
> > > denominational religion and the idea of Jesus Christ. A Christian
> would
> > > not have said such things.
> > >
> > > Yours truly,
> > > Kathy Green
> > >
> > > http://community-1.webtv.net/kgreen20/KATHYSPAGE
> >
> > Remove the Space Cat to Email
> >
>
> --
> Sheila
> "Top of the world, Ma!"
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
she...@my-deja.com
Mark Probert
kgre...@webtv.net (Kathy Green) writes:
>
>Mark Probert wrote:
>
>
>>That's what was reported. Sorry to burst your bubble. Also, what about
>the Christian kid who shot up that church?
>
>>Mark Probert
>
>
>Are you referring to the gunman who shot and killed seven people,
>wounded seven others, and then shot himself at a youth rally in Fort
>Worth? If you are, you should know that he was neither a Christian nor
>a kid. I know, because earlier this year, I interviewed a minister who
>was there when it happened. (I work as a part-time stringer, so I was
>assigned to do so.)
>
>Not only was the gunman, Larry Ashcroft, NOT born-again (in which case
>he would not have been murdering innocent kids), he cursed
>denominational religion and the idea of Jesus Christ. A Christian would
>not have said such things.
Was he raised in a Christian home? Note, that is opposed to a Jewish, etc.
home. I do not make distinctions of born-again, etc.
Mark Probert
<j...@cyber-mall.com> writes:
>
>On 21 Jun 2000 12:18:37 GMT, mtre...@aol.comxyxyxyxy (Mark Probert) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>I bet that will p*ss Catholics off. They *started* Christianity and it is
>>certainly nice of you to still include them.
>
>Woo hoo! I get to correct Probert!! Doesn't happen often...
>
>Christianity was started by Jews. Rome just got one of the earlier
>franchises.
>:)
OK, OK, OK,
You still ge the point, I trust...
Joe Parsons
>In article <jfn1ls4hj3rlim05t...@4ax.com>, Joe Parsons
><j...@cyber-mall.com> writes:
>
>>
>>On 21 Jun 2000 12:18:37 GMT, mtre...@aol.comxyxyxyxy (Mark Probert) wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>I bet that will p*ss Catholics off. They *started* Christianity and it is
>>>certainly nice of you to still include them.
>>
>>Woo hoo! I get to correct Probert!! Doesn't happen often...
>>
>>Christianity was started by Jews. Rome just got one of the earlier
>>franchises.
>>:)
>
>OK, OK, OK,
>
>You still ge the point, I trust...
Yep--I just couldn't pass up this rate opportunity to show you you're
WRONG!! WRONG!! WRONG!!
Yr. Obd't Svt.
Phil MacIntyre
"Mark Probert" <mtreborp...@aol.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> hot_...@webtv.net (girord russell) wrote:
> >I THINK THEY NEED TO GET RID OF ALL THESE OLD TEACHERS HAS BEEN
> TEACHING
> >OVER 30 YEARS NEED TO GET OT OF THE SYSEM AND FOR THE KIDS THEY
> NEED TO
> >LEARN HOW TO RESPECT THE ADULTS ALL TIMES IF THE ADULT DOES
> SOMETHING
> >WRONG YOU TELL A ANOTHER ADULT LEAVE YOUR MOUTH CLOSE BECAUSE
> YOU ARE
> >GOING TO BE THE ONE GETTING IN TROUBLE
> >
> >
> >http://community.webtv.net/hot_man21/SPECIALMARRIAGETO
> >
>
>
> OOOPS!
>
> I guess WebTV is featuring k12.chat.teacher again.
>
Someone commented that all webtv suscribers were idiots. I thought, at the
time, that was a little harsh. SOME OF YOUSE JUST DONT NOWS HOW TO WRITES
GOODS THATS ALL. ;)
Phil
tipularia
hot_...@webtv.net (girord russell) wrote:
> I THINK THEY NEED TO GET RID OF ALL THESE OLD TEACHERS HAS BEEN TEACHING
> OVER 30 YEARS NEED TO GET OT OF THE SYSEM AND FOR THE KIDS THEY NEED TO
> LEARN HOW TO RESPECT THE ADULTS ALL TIMES IF THE ADULT DOES SOMETHING
> WRONG YOU TELL A ANOTHER ADULT LEAVE YOUR MOUTH CLOSE BECAUSE YOU ARE
> GOING TO BE THE ONE GETTING IN TROUBLE
>
> http://community.webtv.net/hot_man21/SPECIALMARRIAGETO
>
FROM USING WEB TV AND TO LEAVE YOUR MOUTH CLOSE BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING
TO BE THE ONE GETTING IN TROUBLE
>
ClaySkye
>Kathy Green wrote:
>>
>> Not only was the gunman, Larry Ashcroft, NOT born-again (in which case
>> he would not have been murdering innocent kids), he cursed
>> denominational religion and the idea of Jesus Christ. A Christian would
>> not have said such things.
>
>It appears that Christians are never responsible for any bad acts, since
>the moment the commit a bad act, they 'never would have done such
>things' if they were Christians.
>
>-- Jack Tarkaan --
Kind of gives them the same credibility as those "psychics" who claim their
powers don't work because of the "negativity" of the skeptics in the room.
There's the ready excuse.
Mary Ann
>> >I THINK THEY NEED TO GET RID OF ALL THESE OLD TEACHERS HAS BEEN
>> TEACHING
>> >OVER 30 YEARS NEED TO GET OT OF THE SYSEM AND FOR THE KIDS THEY
>> NEED TO
>> >LEARN HOW TO RESPECT THE ADULTS ALL TIMES IF THE ADULT DOES
>> SOMETHING
>> >WRONG YOU TELL A ANOTHER ADULT LEAVE YOUR MOUTH CLOSE BECAUSE
>> YOU ARE
>> >GOING TO BE THE ONE GETTING IN TROUBLE
>> >
>> >
>> >http://community.webtv.net/hot_man21/SPECIALMARRIAGETO
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess WebTV is featuring k12.chat.teacher again.
>>
>
>Someone commented that all webtv suscribers were idiots. I thought, at the
>time, that was a little harsh. SOME OF YOUSE JUST DONT NOWS HOW TO WRITES
>GOODS THATS ALL. ;)
>
>Phil
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame33.html
Mary Ann
Children need encouragement. If a kid gets an answer right, tell him it was a
lucky guess. That way he develops a good, lucky feeling.
~ from Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey
JT
>
> I am responding to that single parent notation. I am a single parent and
> i as a single parent did my darnest to disciplin my children.your
> children are your mirrors no matter what you teach your children when
> they go into the street you dont know them any more . because when they
> get together with there friends from the dirty street that is what they
> learn.
Blah blah blah. "Don't blame ME! *I* didn't do it!"
Lady, they're *your* streets.
shugh...@my-deja.com
the
> school shooters had been to church and claimed to be of
Christian
> faith. I know you aren't a Christian, so I can pretty much tell the
> different between the rest of them too.
>
> Magi
>
> Old Teacher wrote:
>
> > In article <3942F200...@concentric.net>, "Magi D.
Shepley"
> > <ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
> >
> > > All of them attended church and came from Christian
families too.
> > >
> >
> > You lie! You wouldn't know a Christian if they told you so.
> >
> > Recte Faciendo Neminen Timeas
> >
> > Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth?
>
> Remove the Space Cat to Email
Old Teacher
(Kleyle the know it all) wrote:
>More to the point,
> Hillary Clinton has a shot at winning the Senate seat in New Yorc. But anyone
> who supports the Clintons is a radical nut, right?
Boy, you got that right! And they are probably as dishonest and crooked
asl well.
Gerhard
Robert Seward
: In article <20000620161906...@ng-cg1.aol.com>, liams...@aol.com
: (Bill Toscano) writes:
:>Magi: What is your point?
:>
:>The United States is an overly Christian nation (despite what the Supreme
:>Court
:>said yesterday).
There is a difference between individual identity and corporate
identity. Corporately, Germany, in the Forties, killed six million
Jews. Did every German help in the killing? No. The nation as a group,
however, did this.
Individually, every American Indian is a US Citizen. Just because this
is true, it does not negate the fact that corporately, the Tribes that
hold treaties still get whatever benefits that come from those treaties.
People are dealt with on an individual level and a corporate level by
both God and Man. When we were bombing Sarajevo last year, were we
bombing indivduals or nations? Nations are a form of corporate
identity. The US Supreme Court has taken a stand that the US is to be
corporately atheist. This is the position that they have taken since
forbidding school led prayer. Corporate identity is integral to
humans. That is where families come from as do gangs as do nations.
Robert Seward
: that has something to do with Jesus Christ is a Christian. You can't pick
: and choose who you want to be a Christian and who you don't want to be a
: Christian.
That is not true, Magi. I've seen Muslims attend Church a few
times. These people didn't convert. My pastor has seen non-Christian
men, who have taken an interest in a Christian woman, start attending
church for a while, in hopes of getting the Lady's attention. My pastor
warns about that, from time to time. I know personally of a case in
which a woman tried the same thing.
Robert
toto
wrote:
And did these Muslims attend church claiming membership in them?
My children attended church with their friends on occasion, but
never made any claim to be Christian. There is a difference though,
they didn't go every Sunday with their families and hold to
Christian belief. If someone self-defines as Christian and attenda
a Christian church or simply reads and follow the Bible than he is a
Christian, imho.
Dorothy
There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
source unknown
Magi D. Shepley
other messages that my mother encouraged me to learn about the Christian churches,
and that I was very popular among the neighborhood kids come vacation bible school
time... I was one of two non-christians in the neighborhood, and you'd get ice
cream coupons for bringing newcomers to the school in the summer.
Magi
Robert Seward wrote:
> Magi D. Shepley <ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
> : Christians can't have it both ways, Kathy. Any person that attends a church
> : that has something to do with Jesus Christ is a Christian. You can't pick
> : and choose who you want to be a Christian and who you don't want to be a
> : Christian.
>
> That is not true, Magi. I've seen Muslims attend Church a few
> times. These people didn't convert. My pastor has seen non-Christian
> men, who have taken an interest in a Christian woman, start attending
> church for a while, in hopes of getting the Lady's attention. My pastor
> warns about that, from time to time. I know personally of a case in
> which a woman tried the same thing.
>
> Robert
Remove the Space Cat to Email
Magi D. Shepley
a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ b (1) :
DISCIPLE 2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the
Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian
denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ
concluded in 1961
2 : the hero in Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress
toto wrote:
> On 24 Jun 2000 21:09:11 GMT, Robert Seward <robe...@uidaho.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >Magi D. Shepley <ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
> >: Christians can't have it both ways, Kathy. Any person that attends a church
> >: that has something to do with Jesus Christ is a Christian. You can't pick
> >: and choose who you want to be a Christian and who you don't want to be a
> >: Christian.
> >
> >That is not true, Magi. I've seen Muslims attend Church a few
> >times. These people didn't convert. My pastor has seen non-Christian
> >men, who have taken an interest in a Christian woman, start attending
> >church for a while, in hopes of getting the Lady's attention. My pastor
> >warns about that, from time to time. I know personally of a case in
> >which a woman tried the same thing.
> >
> >Robert
>
> And did these Muslims attend church claiming membership in them?
>
> My children attended church with their friends on occasion, but
> never made any claim to be Christian. There is a difference though,
> they didn't go every Sunday with their families and hold to
> Christian belief. If someone self-defines as Christian and attenda
> a Christian church or simply reads and follow the Bible than he is a
> Christian, imho.
>
> Dorothy
>
> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
> source unknown
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Mary Ann
>: Christians can't have it both ways, Kathy. Any person that attends a
>church
>: that has something to do with Jesus Christ is a Christian. You can't pick
>: and choose who you want to be a Christian and who you don't want to be a
>: Christian.
>
>That is not true, Magi. I've seen Muslims attend Church a few
>times. These people didn't convert. My pastor has seen non-Christian
>men, who have taken an interest in a Christian woman, start attending
>church for a while, in hopes of getting the Lady's attention. My pastor
>warns about that, from time to time. I know personally of a case in
>which a woman tried the same thing.
>
>Robert
On one of those Dateline type shows a few months ago there was a story of a 13
yo jewish boy who went to a church at the invitation of a friend. Apparently
he was so impressionable that he even let the pastor talk to him for some
period of time after the service. By the time they were through with him he was
so confused he ended up canceling his bar mitzvah that was to be held in a few
weeks. The pastor was totally unapologetic over his heavy handed tactics with
the boy and was convinced that he was just trying to "save" him.
Mark Probert
(Mary Ann) writes:
That is called soul stealing.
It is cause for locking the gates.
ClaySkye
If you can't sell a soul then how can you steal one?
Just a joke, don't lynch me.
>Mark Probert
>
>A vote for Pat Buchanan is a vote for America's First Fuhrer!
Mark Probert
clay...@cs.comStopThat (ClaySkye) writes:
One of the classic examples of mass soul stealing was perpetrated by the LDS
folks a few years back.
They took the lists of those who were murdered in the Nazi Camps and listed
them in their geneological tracts. That is step one in conversion to Mormonism.
They quit it after some resounding criticism by various Rabbis, etc., but, they
never unlisted the names.
Mark Probert
<robe...@uidaho.edu> writes:
>There is a difference between individual identity and corporate
>identity. Corporately, Germany, in the Forties, killed six million
>Jews. Did every German help in the killing? No. The nation as a group,
>however, did this.
>
Ever read Goldhagen's 'Hitler's Willing Executioners'?
Robert Seward
: In article <8j37h1$9go$1...@kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu>, Robert Seward
: <robe...@uidaho.edu> writes:
:>There is a difference between individual identity and corporate
:>identity. Corporately, Germany, in the Forties, killed six million
:>Jews. Did every German help in the killing? No. The nation as a group,
:>however, did this.
:>
: Ever read Goldhagen's 'Hitler's Willing Executioners'?
Are you familiar with the White Rose? The fact that those people denied
Bational Socialism didn't change the fact that they were corporately a
part of a country with a genocidal agenda.
Robert Seward
: On 24 Jun 2000 21:09:11 GMT, Robert Seward <robe...@uidaho.edu>
: wrote:
:>Magi D. Shepley <ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
:>: Christians can't have it both ways, Kathy. Any person that attends a church
:>: that has something to do with Jesus Christ is a Christian. You can't pick
:>: and choose who you want to be a Christian and who you don't want to be a
:>: Christian.
:>
:>That is not true, Magi. I've seen Muslims attend Church a few
:>times. These people didn't convert. My pastor has seen non-Christian
:>men, who have taken an interest in a Christian woman, start attending
:>church for a while, in hopes of getting the Lady's attention. My pastor
:>warns about that, from time to time. I know personally of a case in
:>which a woman tried the same thing.
:>
:>Robert
: And did these Muslims attend church claiming membership in them?
Robert Seward
: other messages that my mother encouraged me to learn about the Christian churches,
: and that I was very popular among the neighborhood kids come vacation bible school
: time... I was one of two non-christians in the neighborhood, and you'd get ice
: cream coupons for bringing newcomers to the school in the summer.
I hate it when people running vbs do things like give coupons for bringing
people. This is sending the unbiblical message to witess to people for
witnesser's benefit, not the person being witnessed to. In effect, this is
teaching kids not to love your neighbor as yourself.
: Magi
: Robert Seward wrote:
:> Magi D. Shepley <ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
:> : Christians can't have it both ways, Kathy. Any person that attends a church
:> : that has something to do with Jesus Christ is a Christian. You can't pick
:> : and choose who you want to be a Christian and who you don't want to be a
:> : Christian.
:>
:> That is not true, Magi. I've seen Muslims attend Church a few
:> times. These people didn't convert. My pastor has seen non-Christian
:> men, who have taken an interest in a Christian woman, start attending
:> church for a while, in hopes of getting the Lady's attention. My pastor
:> warns about that, from time to time. I know personally of a case in
:> which a woman tried the same thing.
:>
:> Robert
: Remove the Space Cat to Email
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Robert Seward
:>Magi D. Shepley <ma...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
:>: Christians can't have it both ways, Kathy. Any person that attends a
:>church
:>: that has something to do with Jesus Christ is a Christian. You can't pick
:>: and choose who you want to be a Christian and who you don't want to be a
:>: Christian.
:>
:>That is not true, Magi. I've seen Muslims attend Church a few
:>times. These people didn't convert. My pastor has seen non-Christian
:>men, who have taken an interest in a Christian woman, start attending
:>church for a while, in hopes of getting the Lady's attention. My pastor
:>warns about that, from time to time. I know personally of a case in
:>which a woman tried the same thing.
:>
:>Robert
: On one of those Dateline type shows a few months ago there was a story of a 13
: yo jewish boy who went to a church at the invitation of a friend. Apparently
: he was so impressionable that he even let the pastor talk to him for some
: period of time after the service. By the time they were through with him he was
: so confused he ended up canceling his bar mitzvah that was to be held in a few
: weeks. The pastor was totally unapologetic over his heavy handed tactics with
: the boy and was convinced that he was just trying to "save" him.
From what I understand, many Jewish Christians say that Isaiah 53 when
shown to them was the Scripture that brought them into Christendom. That
doesn't surprise me.