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Maurreen Skowran
Mar 15, 2009, 3:17:52 AM3/15/09
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How could journalism and open-space methods be combined for a local
community?
* Wki?
* Periodic unconferences?
* Use unconference before, after, or both with enterprise journalism?
community?
* Wki?
* Periodic unconferences?
* Use unconference before, after, or both with enterprise journalism?
Chris O'Brien
Mar 15, 2009, 9:38:12 AM3/15/09
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Maurreen:
We did a "CopyCamp" last summer at the Mercury News, a concept conceived by David Cohn. We invited 30 folks from the community into the newsroom for a half-day "un-conference" to discuss our coverage of race and demographics. More info is here:
http://www.nextnewsroom.com/profiles/blogs/1625659:BlogPost:8881
It was a great event and I hope to do one again some time.
chris o'brien
We did a "CopyCamp" last summer at the Mercury News, a concept conceived by David Cohn. We invited 30 folks from the community into the newsroom for a half-day "un-conference" to discuss our coverage of race and demographics. More info is here:
http://www.nextnewsroom.com/profiles/blogs/1625659:BlogPost:8881
It was a great event and I hope to do one again some time.
chris o'brien
Maurreen Skowran
Mar 15, 2009, 2:32:14 PM3/15/09
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Thanks, Chris.
A couple of other related ideas:
Great Lakes Wiki
* http://www.greatlakeswiki.org
* Started October 2006.
* Three-week gap before most-recent change.
* In the 10 days before the gap, about five people had contributed.
* From Michigan State Univeristy:
It is "a collaborative effort housed in MSU's College of
Communication Arts and Sciences. It was created in a citizen
journalism class taught by David Poulson, associate director of the
Knight Center for Environmental Journalism, and Cliff Lampe, assistant
professor in the MSU Department of Telecommunications, Information
Studies and Media."
Sustainable Bloomington
* http://www.sustainablebloomington.com/
* Web site was maintained for apparently only six months in 2007.
* Not connected to journalists.
* Held three unconferences on local issues.
> We did a "CopyCamp <http://www.copycamp.us>" last summer at the Mercury
A couple of other related ideas:
Great Lakes Wiki
* http://www.greatlakeswiki.org
* Started October 2006.
* Three-week gap before most-recent change.
* In the 10 days before the gap, about five people had contributed.
* From Michigan State Univeristy:
It is "a collaborative effort housed in MSU's College of
Communication Arts and Sciences. It was created in a citizen
journalism class taught by David Poulson, associate director of the
Knight Center for Environmental Journalism, and Cliff Lampe, assistant
professor in the MSU Department of Telecommunications, Information
Studies and Media."
Sustainable Bloomington
* http://www.sustainablebloomington.com/
* Web site was maintained for apparently only six months in 2007.
* Not connected to journalists.
* Held three unconferences on local issues.
> We did a "CopyCamp <http://www.copycamp.us>" last summer at the Mercury
> News, a concept conceived by David Cohn. We invited 30 folks from the
> community into the newsroom for a half-day "un-conference" to discuss our
> coverage of race and demographics. More info is here:
>
> http://www.nextnewsroom.com/profiles/blogs/1625659:BlogPost:8881
>
> It was a great event and I hope to do one again some time.
>
> chris o'brien
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Maurreen Skowran <
>
> community into the newsroom for a half-day "un-conference" to discuss our
> coverage of race and demographics. More info is here:
>
> http://www.nextnewsroom.com/profiles/blogs/1625659:BlogPost:8881
>
> It was a great event and I hope to do one again some time.
>
> chris o'brien
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Maurreen Skowran <
>
Tish Grier
Mar 15, 2009, 5:28:45 PM3/15/09
to Journalism That Matters, Maurreen Skowran
Rather than the journalism community (a broad term, I know) silo'ing themselves off into their own little "camp," why don't some folks with interests in the preservation of newspaper journalism, community journalism, etc. attend some PodCamp events and hold their own sessions? This way they would be starting dialogue with others who may be able to give some valuable input vs. just getting together with a bunch of others in the same profession and wringing hands, etc.
You'd be surprised the great information that one can get at a PodCamp (which is mostly for social media) and a BarCamp (which is more tech oriented.) Why stay isolated? Isn't that what's hurting the newsroom anyway?
Here's the link to the PodCamp Community Unconference Site:
http://podcamp.pbwiki.com/
Tish
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Jane Stevens
Mar 16, 2009, 6:00:00 PM3/16/09
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Also, for those launching Web-based news startups, feel free to start
a group on RJICollaboratory.org. It's small, but growing, and the
folks there are very helpful offline, too. We'll be adding a wiki
soon, too.
Jane Ellen Stevens
ReJurno: http://www.rejurno.com
Fellow, Donald W. Reynolds Journalism Institute
Associate faculty, Knight Digital Media Center
UCBerkeley Graduate School of Journalism
jste...@mmjourno.com
707-495-1112
a group on RJICollaboratory.org. It's small, but growing, and the
folks there are very helpful offline, too. We'll be adding a wiki
soon, too.
Jane Ellen Stevens
ReJurno: http://www.rejurno.com
Fellow, Donald W. Reynolds Journalism Institute
Associate faculty, Knight Digital Media Center
UCBerkeley Graduate School of Journalism
jste...@mmjourno.com
707-495-1112
Maurreen Skowran
Apr 19, 2009, 5:53:29 PM4/19/09
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I know this is a litle old, but I wanted to clarify myself:
What I had in mind was more like journalists fostering or helping
conversation among the community about community issues.
On Mar 15, 2:28 pm, Tish Grier <tishgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Rather than the journalism community (a broad term, I know) silo'ing themselves off into their own little "camp," why don't some folks with interests in the preservation of newspaper journalism, community journalism, etc. attend some PodCamp events and hold their own sessions? This way they would be starting dialogue with others who may be able to give some valuable input vs. just getting together with a bunch of others in the same profession and wringing hands, etc.
>
> You'd be surprised the great information that one can get at a PodCamp (which is mostly for social media) and a BarCamp (which is more tech oriented.) Why stay isolated? Isn't that what's hurting the newsroom anyway?
>
> Here's the link to the PodCamp Community Unconference Site:http://podcamp.pbwiki.com/
>
> Tish
>
> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Maurreen Skowran <maurreenskow...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Maurreen Skowran <maurreenskow...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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What I had in mind was more like journalists fostering or helping
conversation among the community about community issues.
On Mar 15, 2:28 pm, Tish Grier <tishgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Rather than the journalism community (a broad term, I know) silo'ing themselves off into their own little "camp," why don't some folks with interests in the preservation of newspaper journalism, community journalism, etc. attend some PodCamp events and hold their own sessions? This way they would be starting dialogue with others who may be able to give some valuable input vs. just getting together with a bunch of others in the same profession and wringing hands, etc.
>
> You'd be surprised the great information that one can get at a PodCamp (which is mostly for social media) and a BarCamp (which is more tech oriented.) Why stay isolated? Isn't that what's hurting the newsroom anyway?
>
> Here's the link to the PodCamp Community Unconference Site:http://podcamp.pbwiki.com/
>
> Tish
>
>
> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Maurreen Skowran <maurreenskow...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Maurreen Skowran <maurreenskow...@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: {JTM} Re: Open-space and journalism
> > To: "Journalism That Matters" <jtm...@googlegroups.com>
> > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 2:32 PM
> > Thanks, Chris.
> > A couple of other related ideas:
>
> > Great Lakes Wiki
> > *http://www.greatlakeswiki.org
>
>
> > From: Maurreen Skowran <maurreenskow...@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: {JTM} Re: Open-space and journalism
> > To: "Journalism That Matters" <jtm...@googlegroups.com>
> > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 2:32 PM
> > Thanks, Chris.
> > A couple of other related ideas:
>
> > Great Lakes Wiki
> > * Started October 2006.
> > * Three-week gap before most-recent change.
> > * In the 10 days before the gap, about five people had
> > contributed.
> > * From Michigan State Univeristy:
> > It is "a collaborative effort housed in MSU's
> > College of
> > Communication Arts and Sciences. It was created in a
> > citizen
> > journalism class taught by David Poulson, associate
> > director of the
> > Knight Center for Environmental Journalism, and Cliff
> > Lampe, assistant
> > professor in the MSU Department of Telecommunications,
> > Information
> > Studies and Media."
>
> > Sustainable Bloomington
> > *http://www.sustainablebloomington.com/
> > * Three-week gap before most-recent change.
> > * In the 10 days before the gap, about five people had
> > contributed.
> > * From Michigan State Univeristy:
> > It is "a collaborative effort housed in MSU's
> > College of
> > Communication Arts and Sciences. It was created in a
> > citizen
> > journalism class taught by David Poulson, associate
> > director of the
> > Knight Center for Environmental Journalism, and Cliff
> > Lampe, assistant
> > professor in the MSU Department of Telecommunications,
> > Information
> > Studies and Media."
>
> > Sustainable Bloomington
>
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Aldon Hynes
Apr 19, 2009, 6:18:35 PM4/19/09
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It seems as if the idea of "journalists fostering or helping conversation
among the community about community issues", while a noble idea, is a bit
contrary to the ethos of podcamp and for that matter of much of the
open-space movement as I understand it.
The number one rule of podcamp is "All attendees must be treated equally.
Everyone is a rockstar."
Besides the concern that Tish is expressing about journalists, and for that
matter about many others, being in their isolated silos, I hear a little
bit of the old arrogance of the legacy in phrases about "journalists
fostering or helping conversation", as if they are somehow better than the
other attendees, and not treated as equals.
Thoughts?
Aldon
among the community about community issues", while a noble idea, is a bit
contrary to the ethos of podcamp and for that matter of much of the
open-space movement as I understand it.
The number one rule of podcamp is "All attendees must be treated equally.
Everyone is a rockstar."
Besides the concern that Tish is expressing about journalists, and for that
matter about many others, being in their isolated silos, I hear a little
bit of the old arrogance of the legacy in phrases about "journalists
fostering or helping conversation", as if they are somehow better than the
other attendees, and not treated as equals.
Thoughts?
Aldon
Maurreen Skowran
Apr 19, 2009, 7:23:15 PM4/19/09
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I meant, for instance, that journalists might take the initiative to
get something going.
Podcamp or whatever doesn't happen out of the ether. People take the
initiative to do things.
Part of what I meant was journalists not waiting for something to
happen and then covering it, but being among the group that makes it
happen.
Journalists are people too.
On Apr 19, 3:18 pm, "Aldon Hynes" <Aldon.Hy...@Orient-Lodge.com>
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get something going.
Podcamp or whatever doesn't happen out of the ether. People take the
initiative to do things.
Part of what I meant was journalists not waiting for something to
happen and then covering it, but being among the group that makes it
happen.
Journalists are people too.
On Apr 19, 3:18 pm, "Aldon Hynes" <Aldon.Hy...@Orient-Lodge.com>
wrote:
Maurreen Skowran
Apr 19, 2009, 7:58:18 PM4/19/09
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Given that this group is about journalism that matters, how is
discussing possible ways to move journalism forward indicate
arrogance?
How can we discuss how to advance journalism without discussing
current or future roles of journalists?
Maybe we are just talking past each other somehow.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. We're all here for good
purposes.
Prejudice aganist journalists is no better than prejudice by
journalists.
Thanks.
discussing possible ways to move journalism forward indicate
arrogance?
How can we discuss how to advance journalism without discussing
current or future roles of journalists?
Maybe we are just talking past each other somehow.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. We're all here for good
purposes.
Prejudice aganist journalists is no better than prejudice by
journalists.
Thanks.
Aldon Hynes
Apr 19, 2009, 8:59:36 PM4/19/09
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There are many ways to move journalism forward. Some can be done with
humility, others can be done with arrogance. There are many roles that
journalists can take, some as humble servants, others as arrogant speakers.
To the extent that words and actions of journalists are perceived as being
somehow arrogant, I believe that it damages the efforts to move journalism
forward.
It may well be that Maureen did not intend to sound arrogant in her
rejection that journalists participate in existing forums where all are
viewed as equal, and instead suggesting that journalists might have some
special role in "fostering or helping conversation among the community about
community issues". Her talk about the role of journalists might not even
have been intended to suggest some specialness of the role of journalists in
the effort to foster or help conversations along. However, that is the way
that it sounded to me.
Perhaps, it sounded that way to me, because I've met so many journalists
that seem to believe that they have something more important to say than
those who are not trained journalists.
I'm currently reading the book "The Whuffie Factor" by Tara Hunt which
explores the role of social capital in the Web 2.0 world. The book explores
many ways in which people and companies can expand their social capital for
the benefit of their entities. Key to the book are ideas of turning the
bullhorn around, spending more time listening, learning how to effectively
incorporate feedback and so on.
It has been striking me how so much of the legacy media seems to act in ways
that damage, instead of promote their own social capital. I will be writing
about this more when I post my review of Ms. Hunt's book. It seems to me
that a key to moving journalism forward is to work on growing the social
capital of the journalists, and this is done by seeking humility instead of
acting arrogantly.
So, yes, perhaps we are just talking past each other somehow, because I am
here for the good purpose of moving journalism forward as well. I felt that
naming and exploring what seems to me to be at the root of much of the
prejudice against journalists might be helpful, if we seek to dispel some of
that prejudice.
Aldon
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humility, others can be done with arrogance. There are many roles that
journalists can take, some as humble servants, others as arrogant speakers.
To the extent that words and actions of journalists are perceived as being
somehow arrogant, I believe that it damages the efforts to move journalism
forward.
It may well be that Maureen did not intend to sound arrogant in her
rejection that journalists participate in existing forums where all are
viewed as equal, and instead suggesting that journalists might have some
special role in "fostering or helping conversation among the community about
community issues". Her talk about the role of journalists might not even
have been intended to suggest some specialness of the role of journalists in
the effort to foster or help conversations along. However, that is the way
that it sounded to me.
Perhaps, it sounded that way to me, because I've met so many journalists
that seem to believe that they have something more important to say than
those who are not trained journalists.
I'm currently reading the book "The Whuffie Factor" by Tara Hunt which
explores the role of social capital in the Web 2.0 world. The book explores
many ways in which people and companies can expand their social capital for
the benefit of their entities. Key to the book are ideas of turning the
bullhorn around, spending more time listening, learning how to effectively
incorporate feedback and so on.
It has been striking me how so much of the legacy media seems to act in ways
that damage, instead of promote their own social capital. I will be writing
about this more when I post my review of Ms. Hunt's book. It seems to me
that a key to moving journalism forward is to work on growing the social
capital of the journalists, and this is done by seeking humility instead of
acting arrogantly.
So, yes, perhaps we are just talking past each other somehow, because I am
here for the good purpose of moving journalism forward as well. I felt that
naming and exploring what seems to me to be at the root of much of the
prejudice against journalists might be helpful, if we seek to dispel some of
that prejudice.
Aldon
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Maurreen Skowran
Apr 20, 2009, 2:37:49 AM4/20/09
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Thanks, Aldon. That's helpful.
I do not reject the idea of journalists participating in existing
forums.
Part of the problem in this thread was misunderstanding about which
distinctions we were making.
What I was trying to do was make a distinction between forums about
media in contrast to forums about communities and their issues.
My intention was not to indicate real or perceived superiority of
journalists.
We agree on much.
Although hashing things out, such as we are doing, is not always
pleasant, it does lead to greater understanding, and I appreciate your
thoughtful response.
On Apr 19, 5:59 pm, "Aldon Hynes" <Aldon.Hy...@Orient-Lodge.com>
wrote:
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I do not reject the idea of journalists participating in existing
forums.
Part of the problem in this thread was misunderstanding about which
distinctions we were making.
What I was trying to do was make a distinction between forums about
media in contrast to forums about communities and their issues.
My intention was not to indicate real or perceived superiority of
journalists.
We agree on much.
Although hashing things out, such as we are doing, is not always
pleasant, it does lead to greater understanding, and I appreciate your
thoughtful response.
On Apr 19, 5:59 pm, "Aldon Hynes" <Aldon.Hy...@Orient-Lodge.com>
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