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Peggy Holman  
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From: Peggy Holman <pe...@peggyholman.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:34:09 -0700
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Subject: Fwd: How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself

A fascinating read on bias.  I wonder if anyone has insight into how best to deal with it?

Peggy

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From: Robin Miller <ro...@roblimo.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 15:43:18 -0400
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Subject: Re: {JTM} Fwd: How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself

I've been at this journalism thing so long that I'm now technically
retired, although some of my old employers and freelance clients still want
me to write and make videos for them. That's right: I'm an old man with a
white beard. So I Know Things. And one of the things I know about is bias
in journalism, because I've been accused of bias by groups ranging from the
NRA to Communist Party.

Here's the definitive word:

"A biased journalist is one who does not agree with me on every single
issue."

That's it. If you agree with me, you are not biased. If you don't agree
with me, you are biased.

I need more coffee.

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Robin 'Roblimo' Miller
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Peggy Holman  
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From: Peggy Holman <pe...@peggyholman.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 14:59:26 -0700
Local: Sun, Jul 1 2012 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: {JTM} Fwd: How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself

So we know that audience is biased and journalists are biased.  It's all part of the territory.  It makes me wonder, what, if any, responsibility do journalists have to work with these given conditions?  As professionals with a responsibility to inform, how can journalists work with their own and their constituency's biases?

Peggy

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Robin Miller  
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From: Robin Miller <ro...@roblimo.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:02:56 -0400
Local: Sun, Jul 1 2012 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: {JTM} Fwd: How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Peggy Holman <pe...@peggyholman.com> wrote:
> So we know that audience is biased and journalists are biased.  It's all
> part of the territory.  It makes me wonder, what, if any, responsibility do
> journalists have to work with these given conditions?  As professionals
> with a responsibility to inform, how can journalists work with their own
> and their constituency's biases?

Admit your biases. And editors, try to even things out over the course of a
month instead of trying for fake evenhandedness in every story.

Reader, let's face it: you prefer strong stories, which almost always means
stories that contain strong opinions. So enjoy them, and use those online
comment boards to state YOUR opinion. Start all communications with, "I am
appalled...." because editorial letter-writers have traditionally been
appalled.

"You ignorant slut" and "You ignorant thug" are two other traditional
openings. As an American, remember, you have a right to exercise your
Freedumb of Speech, as famous Prodigy flamer James Kotyk used to  put it.

Or as the songster wrote:

From the mountains,
To the prairies,
To the milkman,
White with foam...

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Tracy Record, WSB Editor  
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From: "Tracy Record, WSB Editor" <westseattleb...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:03:41 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 1 2012 10:03 pm
Subject: Re: {JTM} Fwd: How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself

This may not speak completely to the question, but I have to bring it up, as the accusation of "bias" is such a tired way to shake your finger at someone telling you what you don't want to hear:
As a fervent believer in non-advocacy journalism - in focusing on finding and presenting as much information as possible so that those who choose to consume and consider it can make their own decisions and take their own actions (or not) - and as someone who believes that news organizations have NO business editorializing or advocating - I side closer to "Roblimo." 
Every human being has beliefs, feelings, opinions. Why do people in this business have to have theirs hyper-analyzed - unless that is how we choose to do business with people in ALL fields? Do you need to know that the line cook who prepared your steak is a vegetarian? Does it matter that your doctor personally prefers vitamin supplements to prescription medication? Do you need to know that the exterminator you hire won't even so much as stomp a spider in her/his off-hours? If not, then why do you think it matters if for example a journalist who is covering the Democratic convention happens to vote Republican most of the time? (No, I do not cleave to "journalists shouldn't vote," by the way. That's insane.) It's incumbent upon them to do the best job possible in presenting information. If they don't, they have no business working, and should either be fired, or (if they're independents) ignored.
The real solution is for the people formerly known as the audience to dedicate themselves to being informed. And if they believe a news organization is not providing the straight scoop, do not watch it/listen to it/read it/etc. The great thing about this era is that there are SO many places to get information ... you can often compare ... and decide who is doing the best job of coverage. And that coverage is no longer the only way they get information, anyway. I get schooled by commenters now and then, no matter how thorough I think I've been ... and all I can do is thank them profusely for coming up with the new info-bit that makes the coverage even better, and to consider them collaborators (we call ourselves a "community-collaborative news service"). 
This just is NOT the day any more when there is a media provider sitting high and mighty on the mountaintop declaring "HERE NOW THE NEWS. YE SHALL BELIEVE IT AND CLEAVE TO IT." We flatter ourselves if we really think we are the influencers we once allegedly were, back when people did NOT live on the shores of a rich, fast-running river of information . I'm NOT saying our work doesn't matter. I'm saying we need to recognize that our role has changed - and I know many who refuse to recognize that, unfortunately.
TR

--- On Sun, 7/1/12, Peggy Holman <pe...@peggyholman.com> wrote:

From: Peggy Holman <pe...@peggyholman.com>
Subject: Re: {JTM} Fwd: How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself
To: "JTMlist" <jtmlist@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 2:59 PM

So we know that audience is biased and journalists are biased.  It's all part of the territory.  It makes me wonder, what, if any, responsibility do journalists have to work with these given conditions?  As professionals with a responsibility to inform, how can journalists work with their own and their constituency's biases?
Peggy

On Jul 1, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Robin Miller wrote:

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NiemanJournalismLab/~3/z3RERjVWUV0/

How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself

I've been at this journalism thing so long that I'm now technically retired, although some of my old employers and freelance clients still want me to write and make videos for them. That's right: I'm an old man with a white beard. So I Know Things. And one of the things I know about is bias in journalism, because I've been accused of bias by groups ranging from the NRA to Communist Party.

Here's the definitive word:
"A biased journalist is one who does not agree with me on every single issue."
That's it. If you agree with me, you are not biased. If you don't agree with me, you are biased.

I need more coffee. 
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Mike Green  
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From: Mike Green <amikegre...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 02:12:48 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jul 2 2012 5:12 am
Subject: Re: {JTM} Fwd: How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

The public has already taken your advice. They have decided for themselves
who is or is not to be trusted based upon their perceived bias and very
real indicators of sloppy journalism and actual bias prominently on
display. New technology has empowered the audience, which heretofore yelled
at the radio and TV, and shredded newspapers (um, how did we get the
moniker "fishwrap" and "lining for the bird cage"). The audience has long
been fed up with being spoonfed cornball stuff (why do I know which box
office movies made the most money and why don't I know that out of 1.9
million Black-owned businesses, 1.8 million are sole proprietors with no
employees?).

Although Americans say repeatedly in polls every election cycle that the
economy is their top concern, the overwhelming majority of America,
including journalists (yes, business journalists too) know so little about
how the job growth and wealth creation processes work in America that media
is little more than an entertainment platform that provides reports on
interesting, but less impactful, stuff going on around us.

When media cover international relations, do they seek to inform the public
or merely boast about filing a 2-minute report on the latest occurrence in
some faraway place without context, history or accuracy? For example, when
media speak of Iran and the saber-rattling that continues between the U.S.
and Iran, does the audience know the U.S. overthrew a democratically
elected Iranian government in 1953 and installed our own puppet government
for 26 years? Does the audience know that Iran's nuclear power program was
initially built by the United States? Of course we don't know these
contextual pieces of information.

When we hear reports of civil strife in Syria, are we aware that part of
Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran was once a country called Kurdistan? Are we
informed of the fact that the Kurds, who still occupy the same geographic
region have resisted assimilation into all four countries and that all
plays a part in the problems occurring in each country? Are we informed of
the religious diversity mandated in the establishment of the Syrian
government? No. As far as American media and American audiences are
concerned, all foreign countries are monolithic entities to be categorized
swiftly into mental boxes labeled either "chaotic" or "stable."

The bias perceived by American audiences in media may very well have a lot
to do with how they see themselves. But that doesn't preclude the fact that
American journalism has contributed significantly to the legitimacy of the
perception.


 
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Sue Ellen Isacksen  
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Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:03:09 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 14:20:52 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: {JTM} Fwd: How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself

To Robin, my journalist friend with the beard: I trust you. 

I trust you to know when you've discovered your personal biases and wrestle with them so that they don't enter into your professional journalism.  If they do, I trust that you will happily pursue and correct any mistakes. Eagerly show them to the world as we continue to perfect this experiment called democracy. The experiment is the master, not us. Let's keep going. The attached photo is for you.

Best and Happy 4th,

Melissa

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Subject: Re: {JTM} Fwd: How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself

>>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NiemanJournalismLab/~3/z3RERjVWUV0/
>>How do you tell when the news is biased? It depends on how you see yourself  

I've been at this journalism thing so long that I'm now technically retired, although some of my old employers and freelance clients still want me to write and make videos for them. That's right: I'm an old man with a white beard. So I Know Things. And one of the things I know about is bias in journalism, because I've been accused of bias by groups ranging from the NRA to Communist Party.

Here's the definitive word:

"A biased journalist is one who does not agree with me on every single issue."

That's it. If you agree with me, you are not biased. If you don't agree with me, you are biased.

I need more coffee. 
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Robin 'Roblimo' Miller
Bradenton, Florida, USA

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