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Dave N0RQ  
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 More options Mar 29 2012, 8:54 pm
From: Dave N0RQ <n...@att.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:54:02 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Mar 29 2012 8:54 pm
Subject: 60 meter rules change

The ARRL just announced that other digital modes ARE allowed on 60m.  It is
still one signal per channel, and supposed to be center-of-channel.  
http://www.arrl.org/news/ntia-no-objection-to-additional-data-modes-o...

I'm trying to figure out the correct way to determine center-of-channel.  
By using DF=0 in JT65-HF, the signal shows up as a bit below the proper (?)
place of PSK31 signals, (+1500, using DM780).  So I was thinking about
setting DF to +100, and calling CQ.  But I thought it would be wise to get
a confirmation or a correction before proceeding.

Comments???

(I'll probably be on channel 3, or if that is busy, then channel 2.)

73, Dave N0RQ


 
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David Westbrook  
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 More options Mar 29 2012, 9:12 pm
From: David Westbrook <dwestbr...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:12:04 -0400
Local: Thurs, Mar 29 2012 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] 60 meter rules change
From the "JT65-HF Setup and Operations Guide" from 1.0.7 ...
   "The center frequency of the JT65-HF audio pass band is 1270.46 Hz
(or ~1270.5 Hz)"

So set your dial (USB) to 1270.5 under the center freq instead of 1500 under.

OR, set dial freq to same as posted channels, and in JT65-HF use
offset of +229.5

[ if i did my math right :) ]

--david
KJ4IZW


 
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Joe Large  
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 More options Mar 29 2012, 9:12 pm
From: Joe Large <w6...@w6cqz.org>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:12:26 -0400
Local: Thurs, Mar 29 2012 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] 60 meter rules change
TX DF = 0 = 1270.5 Hertz.  To be at 1500 you''ll need to run DF = +230
to be at 1500.5 which is as close as you can get or 229 to be at
1499.5.  You could also adjust the VFO to offset such that your
relative TX DF = 0 = 1500 in RF tones.  I leave this to the more
inclined to figure it out faction to digest.  :)

Just a reminder from what I said on this in the past.  The RB System
does not see 60M QRG as valid nor does current versions of JT65-HF so
trying to send spots at those QRGs will not work and it will likely
zero the input box if you try to enter the value.  Future versions
will change this but it is very very unclear when a future version
will be available with all that's otherwise going on with me at this
time.

73 - Joe - W6CQZ


 
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Dave N0RQ  
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 More options Mar 29 2012, 9:19 pm
From: Dave N0RQ <n...@att.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Mar 29 2012 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: 60 meter rules change

Does +230 put the SYNC tone right in the middle of the channel?
Or should the middle of the JT65 signal be in the middle?
Or is that being too picky???  :-)

I'm CQing on channel 3 at +230...

Dave N0RQ


 
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Joe Large  
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 More options Mar 29 2012, 9:22 pm
From: Joe Large <w6...@w6cqz.org>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:22:51 -0400
Local: Thurs, Mar 29 2012 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: 60 meter rules change
230 places sync at 1500.5 give or take a few tenths of a hertz.


 
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Ben Nardi  
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 More options Mar 29 2012, 9:27 pm
From: "Ben Nardi" <b...@xecu.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:27:34 -0400
Local: Thurs, Mar 29 2012 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: 60 meter rules change

What is the required accuracy/precision of the emissions?

Ben W3ZUP


 
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Dave N0RQ  
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 More options Mar 30 2012, 12:41 pm
From: Dave N0RQ <n...@att.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:41:18 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Mar 30 2012 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: 60 meter rules change

There were (at least) 5 of us on 60 meters last night (channel 3), and I
made 3 QSOs.  Thanks Dave WB4KDI, Barry KS7DX, and Phil KA1GMN.

I used the USB dial freq (5.3570MHz USB) as advertised, and put the DF at
about +229, as required.

It will be annoying to have only 1 signal at a time, but the upside is that
there won't be QRM from nearby overly-strong signals.  :-)

Even though the .adi log file needs to be manually edited afterward (to add <BAND:3>60m<FREQ:5>5.357
), and though there is no RB/PSKR reporting, JT65-HF seems to work fine on
60m.  I look forward to more QSOs -- so I hope some of you jump on in....
though only 1 at a time! ;-)

73, Dave N0RQ
http://www.powerlinenoise.com/n0rq/JT65-HF/  <-- (updated to include newest
60m info)


 
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Phil Williams  
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 More options Mar 30 2012, 1:43 pm
From: Phil Williams <ka1...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:43:55 -0500
Local: Fri, Mar 30 2012 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: 60 meter rules change

Yes, it is indeed a challenge w/ one signal at at time.  You have to
be clairvoyant in figuring which station is going to call CQ next - and in
which even/odd time slot.  I found  that I was getting good signal reports
(almost too good) using 10 watts.  I am sure that 5 watts or even less
would have done the job.

Thanks for the contact Dave!

--
Phil KA1GMN
Experimental Station - WF9XJD

 
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Rudy Benner  
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 More options Mar 30 2012, 1:57 pm
From: "Rudy Benner" <r...@ve3bdr.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:57:02 -0400
Local: Fri, Mar 30 2012 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: 60 meter rules change

Newbie question.

How do I get the Yaesu FT-450 to go into USB/DATA mode? The other question, is 60 meters legal here yet?

ve3bdr

From: Phil Williams
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:43 PM
To: jt65-hf@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: 60 meter rules change

Yes, it is indeed a challenge w/ one signal at at time.  You have to be clairvoyant in figuring which station is going to call CQ next - and in which even/odd time slot.  I found  that I was getting good signal reports (almost too good) using 10 watts.  I am sure that 5 watts or even less would have done the job.  

Thanks for the contact Dave!

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Dave N0RQ <n...@att.net> wrote:

  There were (at least) 5 of us on 60 meters last night (channel 3), and I made 3 QSOs.  Thanks Dave WB4KDI, Barry KS7DX, and Phil KA1GMN.

  I used the USB dial freq (5.3570MHz USB) as advertised, and put the DF at about +229, as required.

  It will be annoying to have only 1 signal at a time, but the upside is that there won't be QRM from nearby overly-strong signals.  :-)

  Even though the .adi log file needs to be manually edited afterward (to add <BAND:3>60m<FREQ:5>5.357 ), and though there is no RB/PSKR reporting, JT65-HF seems to work fine on 60m.  I look forward to more QSOs -- so I hope some of you jump on in.... though only 1 at a time! ;-)

  73, Dave N0RQ
  http://www.powerlinenoise.com/n0rq/JT65-HF/  <-- (updated to include newest 60m info)
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