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Tom, VE3ODZ  
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From: "Tom, VE3ODZ" <ve3...@rac.ca>
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:35:17 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Apr 4 2012 4:35 pm
Subject: DX on 160m band

Hi everyone

 I know this doesn't belong here but it is worth mentioning.
For a few days now the prop condx on 160m were of such that
it made possible to make contacts from NA to Australia using
JT65A. The time to listen is anywhere from 10 to 11 UTC which
is morning hours in the Eastern region of NA just before sunrise.
Don't be surprised to see Rob VK3XQ or Matt VK2DAG calling CQ.
The opening will be of a very short duration approx 5 to 15min max
so be there when it happens. You can find Rob or Matt on Laurie
VK3AMA's  web    http://hamspots.net  and also watch our very useful
tool: the RB net to maximize your chances...
     http://jt65.w6cqz.org/receptions.php
So far I made two QSO's with Rob and hope many more to follow.

GL

73 Thomas VE3ODZ

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airratt  
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From: airratt <airr...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:22:42 -0400
Local: Wed, Apr 4 2012 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] DX on 160m band

Thanks Thomas, I'll see if I can get on around that time.

73 Eddy N4ABN

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Jim Brown  
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From: Jim Brown <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 14:35:25 -0700
Local: Wed, Apr 4 2012 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] DX on 160m band

On 4/4/2012 1:35 PM, Tom, VE3ODZ wrote:

> I know this doesn't belong here but it is worth mentioning.

Why does it "not belong here?"  Is not one function of this group to
enhance the JT65 experience on the HF bands?  And what better way to
fire up interest in a band that many consider either dead or out of
reach than taking note of 8,000 mile QSOs?

BTW -- VK3XQ is strong enough here (Santa Cruz, CA) that I'm regularly
decoding him off the BACK of my Beverage that points NE.  Consider that
when you look at my spots on Joe's RBN.  :)

One of these mornings I'll roll my sorry you know what out of bed at 3am
and get in on the fun.

73, Jim K9YC


 
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Joe Large  
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From: Joe Large <w6...@w6cqz.org>
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:53:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] DX on 160m band
I think the reference is to that this is a support group for the
program JT65-HF not necessarily JT65 use on HF.  I asked some time ago
that some of the usage outside that definition be curbed, but, there's
nothing wrong with something like brief discussions of points of
interest to using JT65 on HF.

W6CWX


 
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Joe Large  
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From: Joe Large <w6...@w6cqz.org>
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:53:19 -0400
Local: Wed, Apr 4 2012 5:53 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] DX on 160m band
W6CQZ that is.  Can't even blasted type anymore.


 
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VK7XX John  
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From: VK7XX John <vk7xx.ra...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:37:47 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Apr 5 2012 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: DX on 160m band
is the dial QRG still 1.838 USB ???

John


 
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airratt  
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From: airratt <airr...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:28:55 -0400
Local: Thurs, Apr 5 2012 5:28 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band

Yes sir

On 4/5/2012 3:37 PM, VK7XX John wrote:

> is the dial QRG still 1.838 USB ???

> John

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W1UU  
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From: W1UU <capecod.wirel...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 06:49:31 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 6 2012 9:49 am
Subject: Re: DX on 160m band
Yes,

I have been able to get VK3XQ up on our morning sunrise. I have had
partial decodes from him while we transmit even. VK2DAG has been on in
the past. Both DAG and XQ have beverage antennas. The deal is to have
VKs transmit even and we call odd.

Yes using USB, although I use a Flex-5000a and I transmit DIGU. The
difference is in how I control bandwidth to get low ambient noise.

Our opening here in W1UU lasts about 3-6 minutes at best, and signals
burst out of the noise. I have succeeded at 0934 and 1031 UTC on two
separate days, but it is not a successful complete QSO. If you decide
to join in, post a short message on hamspots on your frequency so we
know you are transmitting. Several us exchange info in near real time
this way to let us mutually know what is happening.

Peter
W1UU

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Jim Brown  
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From: Jim Brown <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:24:22 -0700
Local: Fri, Apr 6 2012 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
On 4/6/2012 6:49 AM, W1UU wrote:

> I have been able to get VK3XQ up on our morning sunrise. I have had
> partial decodes from him while we transmit even. VK2DAG has been on in
> the past. Both DAG and XQ have beverage antennas. The deal is to have
> VKs transmit even and we call odd.

Thanks to my location at 2,000 ft, five miles from the Pacific, I have a
much better shot to VK, and a much wider time window.  When I think of
it (most nights lately) I've been leaving my rig on 1838 so it can feed
spots to the Joe's RBN. My RX antenna is a Beverage aimed to the east
coast and EU. On most passes, I'm decoding most of the signals from NA
that are likely to be good enough to work VK, and am regularly decoding
VK3XQ off the back of the Beverage.

Both NA and VK stations can thus use the RBN to coordinate TX
frequencies so that they are calling at the right times and staying out
of each others way.

73, Jim K9YC
Santa Cruz, CA  CM87


 
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goldtr8@charter.net  
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From: "gold...@charter.net" <gold...@charter.net>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 14:01:07 -0400
Local: Fri, Apr 6 2012 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band

That is a great idea to leave the rig in rx mode at night.   I will do the same.

Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

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From: "Jim Brown" <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2012 1:24 pm
Subject: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
To: <jt65-hf@googlegroups.com>

On 4/6/2012 6:49 AM, W1UU wrote:

> I have been able to get VK3XQ up on our morning sunrise. I have had
> partial decodes from him while we transmit even. VK2DAG has been on in
> the past. Both DAG and XQ have beverage antennas. The deal is to have
> VKs transmit even and we call odd.

Thanks to my location at 2,000 ft, five miles from the Pacific, I have a much better shot to VK, and a much wider time window.  When I think of it (most nights lately) I've been leaving my rig on 1838 so it can feed spots to the Joe's RBN. My RX antenna is a Beverage aimed to the east coast and EU. On most passes, I'm decoding most of the signals from NA that are likely to be good enough to work VK, and am regularly decoding VK3XQ off the back of the Beverage.

Both NA and VK stations can thus use the RBN to coordinate TX frequencies so that they are calling at the right times and staying out of each others way.

73, Jim K9YC
Santa Cruz, CA  CM87

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W1UU  
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From: W1UU <capecod.wirel...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:45:29 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 7 2012 8:45 am
Subject: Re: DX on 160m band
I am happy to report a full-fledged JT65 exchange with VK3XQ on 160
meters. For me, this was an important moment because I have never
worked a VK on 160 meters, even when I had tall towers, beams, KW,
etc.

But there is something more important here:

VK east coast represents 5 hops over the F2 layer making it a
significant distance. VK6 will be 6 hops, and as far as one can get
from here.

Use of the RB, especially in listen mode, notably by K9YC who detected
both VK and me (sometimes), gave me a "probability" of propagation.
The relatively nearby stations in the East Coast area gave me an idea
that my antenna didn't fall down, or that I developed a short.

The other thing is the use of www.sunrisesunset.com to place a neat
app on my screen to tell me mathematical sunrise and sunset times.
That augmented Pskreport.net that draws the greyline. Finally I
watched the SFI and since it has been decreased lately, the MUF also
goes down and dives the best chance for VK on 80/160 meters.

But most of all, thanks to the VK gang coming up in their evening hour
to watch noise, but suddenly see signals! kudos!

Everyone wins!

73, de Peter
W1UU

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gold...@charter.net  
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From: gold...@charter.net
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 08:51:52 -0400 (EDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 7 2012 8:51 am
Subject: RE: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
I left the radio on RX on 1.838 all night with no decodes at all this
morning.  Was I on the correct Freq?

~73
Don
KD8NNU


 
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Jim Brown  
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From: Jim Brown <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:20:37 -0700
Local: Sat, Apr 7 2012 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
On 4/7/2012 5:51 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote:

> I left the radio on RX on 1.838 all night with no decodes at all this
> morning.  Was I on the correct Freq?

You were if your radio was set for upper sideband.  Note that the
default mode for most rigs is LSB on 160, 80, and 40, so you must make
that change.

Congrats to Peter for a tough QSO.  BTW -- there is a VK6 who I've
worked several times on 160M CW. He has a great QTH and fine antennas.
Don't remember his call.

73, Jim K9YC


 
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gold...@charter.net  
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From: gold...@charter.net
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:59:47 -0400 (EDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 7 2012 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band

Hi Jim

Its a K3 and I have it in DATA-A rev for 160m digital work.

I have make JT65 contacts on the band before so I think that I have it
right.

~73
Don
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James Hertel  
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From: James Hertel <n6...@frontiernet.net>
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 19:20:52 -0700
Local: Sat, Apr 7 2012 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
I also work vk3xq this morning woke up at 3 am and got on... worked him
with 50 watts and an inverted V... Thanks Joe for the great program and
also the chaps down under for being there, all we need now is a few ZL's
& ZS's
Thanks
Jim N6kmr

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Jim Brown  
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From: Jim Brown <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 23:13:12 -0700
Local: Sun, Apr 8 2012 2:13 am
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
That's your problem -- it should NOT be REV.  I'm also using a K3, and I
think it defaults to USB in all DATA modes.  I'm NOT set for reverse.
Flip it, and you'll start decoding signals. .

73, Jim K9YC

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iain macdonnell - N6ML  
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From: iain macdonnell - N6ML <a...@dseven.org>
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 23:56:55 -0700
Local: Sun, Apr 8 2012 2:56 am
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
The K3 considers USB "normal" for the "DATA A" and "PSK D" data
sub-modes, and LSB "normal" for "AFSK A" and "FSK D".

73,

    ~iain / N6ML


 
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Terry Conboy  
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From: Terry Conboy <n...@arrl.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:08:42 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 9 2012 11:08 am
Subject: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
Does anyone know how much power VK3XQ is running on JT65?  I'd drop him
an e-mail, but haven't had any luck finding his address.

Some of the WSPR guys on 160m are complaining about strong nearby JT65
signals (even though they are not overlapping into the WSPR
frequencies).  I'm seeing VK3XQ very consistently here for the last two
nights, but it doesn't appear he's making many stateside QSOs.  For some
reason, I'm not having any luck with WSPR decodes from Oz, however.

73, Terry N6RY DM13id

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Parker Dinkins  
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From: Parker Dinkins <par...@masterdigital.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:30:10 -0500
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Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] DX on 160m band
Peter -

You forgot to mention that it was with your encouragement that VK3XQ kept trying over the last few days to make this happen.

Thanks.

Parker W5ADD

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Jim Brown  
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From: Jim Brown <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:12:37 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 9 2012 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
On 4/9/2012 8:08 AM, Terry Conboy wrote:

> I'm seeing VK3XQ very consistently here for the last two nights, but
> it doesn't appear he's making many stateside QSOs.

He's been good here for at least an hour most mornings too, loud enough
that I was decoding him off the back of my NE Beverage! I don't know
about his power level, but he HAS made some stateside QSOs.  W1UU worked
him a few nights ago after trying for a week or more, and I worked him
(from Santa Cruz) on the first call.  A year or so ago we worked on 160 CW.

How much power you need to work him will depend on band conditions and
your TX antenna. .

73, Jim K9YC


 
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:57:18 -0500
Local: Mon, Apr 9 2012 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
Vk...@yahoo.com.au

On QRZ

Jim Beard
Sent from my iPhone
AE5ZZ

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From: Jim Brown <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:12:13 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 9 2012 3:12 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
On 4/9/2012 8:08 AM, Terry Conboy wrote:

> Some of the WSPR guys on 160m are complaining about strong nearby JT65
> signals (even though they are not overlapping into the WSPR frequencies).

A station running WSPR with a decent RX and 2.8 kHz  IF filters should
not encounter QRM from a clean JT65 signal on 160M.  However -- a
station with a broadband IF, or a relatively primative RX that listens
wideband could easily have problems.

Here in the SF Bay area, I occasionally hear a roundtable of W7
contesters rag-chewing on LSB with a dial frequency of 1840 kHz, which
overlaps the JT65 channel.  Their signals are fairly loud, but also
pretty clean, so I'm able to work around them by cranking the IF in my
K3 down to about 1.8 kHz width, sliding the center frequency down a bit,
and using the lower part of our channel.

73, Jim K9YC


 
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VK7XX John  
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From: VK7XX John <vk7xx.ra...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:45:56 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Apr 12 2012 5:45 pm
Subject: Re: DX on 160m band
I tried 160m for the first time last night (from 0900 to 1030 utc) but
won't be doing that again until my big radio comes back from the
agents.

I am currently using a little FT-857D and it is next to useless on
160.  There was a WSPR stn down the band a bit and every time it came
on it wiped out anything I was receiving.   I was having a contact
with K1DNR and a VK3 came on calling CQ at the same time I was trying
to get my report and his signal totally obliterated the entire JT65
area.  Why he had to call CQ at the same time I was RXing is beyond
me, it would have been a better choice to CQ at the same time I was
TXing then we would not have caused each other problem but thats life
eh!

I did manage contacts with 4 USA stns but until my 7800 is back on the
desk, thats it on 160 for me

John
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Jim Brown  
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From: Jim Brown <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:52:50 -0700
Local: Fri, Apr 13 2012 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: [jt65-hf] Re: DX on 160m band
On 4/12/2012 2:45 PM, VK7XX John wrote:

> I am currently using a little FT-857D and it is next to useless on 160.

Much of what we're buying when we buy a rig is the RECEIVER, and its
ability to deal with many, strong signals.  JT65 is no different from
any other modes in that it does better when hooked up to a better RX.  
For a year or so, I used the predecessor of your rig, an FT100D, in my
car.  It had the basic functions,  but the menus were a pain, and the
first time I got into a split pileup trying to work DX on CW, the
calling stations totally overloaded the RX to the extent that I couldn't
hear the DX.  REAL receivers don't do that. :)

It's easy to throw rocks at another station for calling CQ during your
RX cycle, but the real problem is your RX. :)  It takes a serious RX to
separate signals from a few hundred miles away from those coming from
halfway around the world.  When the signals are there, I'm often able to
decode 6-8 signals on each pass.  My rig is a K3.  Joe has written
really great software for us.

We had serious rain and thunderstorms last night, so my rig wasn't
running. It usually is, and I probably would have decoded you.

73, Jim K9YC


 
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